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Eze Nri

Hellraiser77:
I would kill myself if I were yeroba

Okay.

Ofoigbo, hellraiser77.

Come and see

Igbo -Eke, Benin -Eken

Both cultures believe that the Eke market day is sacred. Question is who copied who? Who influenced who?

Kolanuts breaking by Igbos and Benin. Following the same protocol.

Just thinking aloud. Do Yorubas break kolanuts?

All the shrines that must be visited by new chief in Benin are Aro shrine.

Igbo spiritual influence all over

gwafaeziokwu:


Kolanuts breaking by Igbos and Benin. Following the same protocol.

Just thinking aloud. Do Yorubas break kolanuts?

Nna, where do you think kolanuts come from, nsugbe?

Ibo culture lacks the virtue, lacks the history, to stand alone and explain itself without using the examples of others or attaching to them. Just kolanut, you have to go find yourself in Benin.

This is how you have accumulated of bullshyyt and call it history.

Hey guys, look, Benin eats kolanut, we eat it too.

Hey, check this out, Yoruba had bronze heads, we do too.

You build your empty history with association with those whose past is filled with conquest.

I dare you to stand your history on its own feet and see if it will not collapse.

The reason omoibo is stressing himself over ownership of Benin is one thing. Lagos! They are greedy. Yoruba go say, omo ti o te kii gbo!

OfoIgbo:


Any place that observed the 4 Nri market days, were obviously within the Nri sphere of influence. Both Benin and Igala observed those 4 market days. The same goes with the majority of Igbo areas.

Anywhere names such as Okoye, Okoroafor, Nwankwo and Mgbeke e.t.c are used, before the coming of the white man, were areas under Nri influence. An appreciable chunk of Igboland had such names.
So every area in the Omambala axis were was under Nri hegemony, including Aguleri that is currently trying to rewrite Igbo history and culture. Nri will descend on them, when the time comes. These are the people that are doing their best to skew Igbo history and culture and make Igbos look cheap, just like the Ikwerres and Ogba are doing.

Well you're very very funny keep on living in your delusional dream world instead of facing the reality which is the real world /present day.

BabaRamota1980:

The incident reported as oghene in East was chronicled on the submission by a Portuguese man who was with the Oba when he rose to offer prayer and adulation to his ancestors in Ife. The ritual observed was that thr Oba faced looked out the window facing East, the Sun.
If the Sun rose from South, he would have faced South. So separate the act of veneration from the ritual of worship.

When muslims in Benin pray they face East where Sun rises. Same protocol. Abi Mohammed is an Iboman?


Cc
Tao11
Minorityopinion
Legendhero
Metaphysical

BaBaRamota this your particular post ended up proving OfoIgbo to be right in what his been saying since. Interesting, so Nwannem Nwokoh OfoIgbo have been right all this time , Nwannam my Igbo brother OfoIgbo keep up the good work.

Hellraiser77:
You lies are brazen , Slow down with contortions, Ogane was eastward from Bini ,there was no mention of Sunrise anywhere bros, IFE is clearly the opposite way to the west why y'all lying through your teeth without shame? , The Europeans clearly discarded the idea of Ooni as the Ogane

Even the so called sunrise is all about the kingdom to the east of Bini Which has to do with the Eze Nri and if we are to go with what BaBaRamota posted about the Oba of Bini praying towards the sunrise from the kingdom Which is to do East of Bini, this means the sunrise is all about Anyawnwu Chineke yala ----(And)-- --Agbara Ndi Igbo.

Hellraiser77:
Which age exactly did yeroba occupy lokoja? ....Mr clown

These Portuguese were explorers, who obviously knew their EAST from WEST.

Lokoja is towards the northeasterly direction. And who was that YORUBA king in Lokoja who was greater than the Ooni of Ife?
Their theory falls flat on this one.

NRI is to the EAST OF BENIN. And Afigbo confirmed that NRI priests played huge roles in the Coronation of Oba Benin and Attah of Igala, whose territory was in nearer to your fabled Lokoja. Why didn't their nonexistent audio Yoruba king in Lokoja, also crown the Attah.

BabaRamota1980:


Ok so if we are to assume this ogane is in the Niger-Benue region, in that age Yoruba was the occupier at Niger-Benue confluence in Lokoja, not Ibo.
But we know this is only a theory in that article and not the fact.

On both fact & theory, nothing links ogane to Ibo.

This keep on getting funny every time, Igbo areas also fall within the Niger -- Benue area and for the information, the river dividing Onitsha(Anambra state) and Asaba(Delta State) is made up of or derives it's source from both River Niger and River Benue .

BabaRamota1980:


Dahomey would have documented it for osychological warfare if indeed that were true. Its absent in their war records because it never happened. But to yanminri, hundreds of miles away, thats what happened. Ibo and forgery is 5 & 6.

They love shortcut. Nri is their shortcut to prominence.

This your revisionist tactics will not help you here it is documented by Dahomey's themselves which includes how their Amazon warriors ravaged and ransacke the Yoruba with impunity for many years .

MinorityOpinion:
bring out the evidence!

It is know as the history of Dahomey not Yoruba, well the Dahomeys have spoken here it is .

TAO11:
No, west is not east. Rather, Ife is known in ancient times by the religious epithet of “East” — the place from where the sun rises. This is well established.

I understand your frustrations though. I would also feel extremely ashamed and frustrated if I was Igbo.

The Portuguese who described the direction of the kingdom mentioned EAST, and they were not being metaphorical in their description of the direction, otherwise they wouldn't have gone on to give the direction, THE DISTANCE and how HOW LONG IT TOOK to embark on that journey to the eastern kingdom.
Or are you also trying to falsely claim that the DISTANCE was another metaphorical word. Please explain.

Your fraud is so glaring for all to see..

How come modern Benin traditional authorities always deny any Ife cultural overlordship links, but have never denied NRI cultural overlordship links.
I challenge you to present one Benin oba or Benin custodian of tradition of any Benin oba-endorsed writing in which they publicly denied NRI cultural or spiritual overlordship.

Benin Obas constantly deny the Ife cultural overlordship.

BabaRamota1980:


Nna, where do you think kolanuts come from, nsugbe?

Ibo culture lacks the virtue, lacks the history, to stand alone and explain itself without using the examples of others or attaching to them. Just kolanut, you have to go find yourself in Benin.

This is how you have accumulated of bullshyyt and call it history.

Hey guys, look, Benin eats kolanut, we eat it too.

Hey, check this out, Yoruba had bronze heads, we do too.

You build your empty history with association with those whose past is filled with conquest.

I dare you to stand your history on its own feet and see if it will not collapse.

No one is talking about eating kolanut. Possibly every Nigerian community eats it.

The question is whether Yorubas perform Kolanut rituals, and I have never seen any epic Yoruba nollywood film where Yoruba elders perform the Kolanut blessing and breaking. So I have good reason to assume that Yorubas don't perform Kolanut rituals.

If Yorubas don't perform the Kolanut ritual and don't use the 4 NRI market days/deities, then I have enough probable cause, to claim that no Yoruba monarch or priest has ever played any role in the crowning of any Benin oba.

So far, we have established that EAST is EAST, and DISTANCE is DISTANCE.

Prof. Afigbo, Jeffrey's and Lawton have accurately identified the Nris as having cultural responsibilities towards Benin. Knobler has been identified as a quack historian, or a bad historian at best

letu:
BaBaRamota this your particular post ended up proving OfoIgbo to be right in what his been saying since. Interesting, so Nwannem Nwokoh OfoIgbo have been right all this time , Nwannam my Igbo brother OfoIgbo keep up the good work.

Nwune, deeje daalu. I just wanna show them a little Igbo cultural fang.

The Yorubas especially, are so used to falsifying history

Sammy07:
lol yes I know better than Ooni, yet you guys didn't agree with Ikewerrepikin when he said they're from Benin. He even showed videos of benin king visiting Wike

You don't seem to fully grasp these things. You're just bent on proving some phantom superiority,but unfortunately, history and culture has gone beyond that. The greater picture here is the liberation of core African heritage, and I dare say it starts from truly unraveling the mystery behind the Igbo race.
Do you even know what 'Igbo' means?
Do you know why most African ethnic groups have vestiges of Igbo links either in their languages or names of their places?
Do you know why an Igbo man would travel to outside of Igboland and feel very comfortable?
They just told you that Igodomigodo is an Igbo word and you're still here measuring d*cks.
If an Ikwerre man says he's not Igbo but from Benin,despite bearing an Igbo name,despite speaking an Igbo dialect,despite having his towns and villages in Igbo language, then he's only but deceitfully correct.
The reason is that the progenitor he claims founded Ikwerre land was actually an Igbo man from Igodomigodo.
If you still don't understand, ask questions intelligently.

OfoIgbo:


OK, let me go slightly further.

Any Igbo man reading this should be seated, lest you break your computer screen or kick your shoes at your TV screen.

There is a place called IPONRI, in Lagos.
For those who understand modern Yoruba writings IPO in Yoruba will be pronounced as IKPO in Igbo.

Igbos at times go by the title ONO NA IKPO AKU, which means SEATED ON A HEAP OF WEALTH. Basically IKPO means HEAP in English.

Now getting back to my tale, in IPONRI, there is a shrine there till today, which is maintained, exactly the same way the Umu Nris maintain shrines.

What this means, is that Nris (Igbos) made it to Lagos in ancient times. With this in mind, IPONRI now assumes a different meaning as it would have meant NRI JOINT or NRI SETTLEMENT or NRI HEAP.

It was an Oba in Agukwu that informed me of this in Dec 2019, and I had in mind to visit the place and look for this shrine, unfortunately Coronavirus had other plans for the nation

What I am trying to say is that Igbos made it way past Ife. Igbos are extremely ancient people

What you have written is nothing but the truth.
When you hear the raw truth,it vibrates in you,and you'd surely know that you've heard the truth.
Keep on with the good works you're doing. The greater picture here for me is to liberate the African man. By unearthing the Igbo history, the light will begin to shine once more on the black race.

Iguaro Nri: Igbo marks lunar calendar 2020 ON FEBRUARY 9, 202011:0

By Chris Onuoha

The acclaimed ancestral home of Ndigbo, Nri Kingdom in Anaocha, Anambra State will on Saturday February 15 usher in the start of Igbo lunar calendar year 2020 in a carnival-like festival as declared by Eze Nri palace. In a statement made available to Vanguard and signed by OkpalaEze na Nri, Prince Chukwuemeka Onyesoh, announcing the ‘2020 Iguaro festival said, “The days of the Igbo week, ‘Iguaro’ is the ritual proclamation of Igbo lunar calendar by Eze Nri (king of Nri) in Anambra State performed yearly, for the Igbo Nation over the past 1019 years, as the founder of Igbo days of “Eke, Oye, Afo and Nkwo” (all deities) which determine the “Izu” (4-day week) that add up to the “Onwa” (7 native weeks in a month) that yield the ” Aro” (year of 13 lunar months) in Igbo land. “Aro is another deity by itself, again controlled by Eze Nri. Aro has shrines in Nri.

Anthropologists detailed how the four supernaturals (otherwise deities) of market days, were revealed to Eze Nri who now control them. The Igbo four market days and 13 lunar months, ‘Aro’ are thus, deities,” Onyesoh stated. This was also revealed by one of Nigeria’s foremost Igbo Anthropologist, Prof. Onwuejeogwu who in his various anthropological researches & publications provided elaborate details of these facts. He disclosed that ‘Iguaro Eze Nri’ used to be the biggest festival in Igbo land, performed in the palace of Eze Nri by Eze Nri, dating from 900AD. And that the Onitsha people in 1750 AD introduced ‘Ofala’: a festival very similar to Nri yam festival of ‘Onwasato’ celebrated in the 8th month of the Igbo year, when Onitsha was founded. Onwuejeogwu in one of his publication, “An Igbo Civilisation: Nri Kingdom and Hegemony” (1981), graphically shows the proclamation of Igbo New Year as one of the ten mystical powers of Eze Nri. Speaking on the concept of the year deriving from 13 lunar months, Prince Onyesoh noted; “Before the British liquidation in August 1911, Nri had developed its concept of “Aro” – the year.

As earlier stated, “Aro” is a supernatural force revealed to Eze Nri in the past; then Nri transformed it into a cycle of one year. “Aro” is divided into thirteen segments, namely: ‘Onwa Agumaro’, usually falls around mid February of the Gregorian calendar. This is the month for the proclamation of the beginning of the Igbo lunar calendar by Eze Nri for all Igbo. It is followed by ‘Onwa Mbu, Onwa Abuo, Onwa Ife Eke, Onwa Ano, Onwa Agwu, Onwa Ifejioku, Onwa Iliji, Onwa Ilommuo “Onwasato”, Onwa Ana, Onwa Okike, Onwa Ajana na Edeaja, Onwa Uzo Alusi.’ “The lunar system of calculating the year with a system of adjustment, were known to the Nri priests of Alusi Aro. Knowledge of the movement of the heavenly bodies was employed. Northcote Thomas (MA, FRAI) the colonial government anthropologist in 1910, identified and reported that he got “names for the following heavenly bodies at Agukwu, Nri: “Pleiades, Orion and Great Bera”. Nri elders had clear knowledge of these stars and others, which helped them in calculating the intervals between each lunar period and finding the directions during their sojourn from one Igbo-village to another in both the semi-forest and forest zones.” Explaining further on the proclamation of the Igbo lunar calendar – “Iguaro” Onyesoh stated, “As previously stated, the annual proclamation of the Igbo lunar calendar is the exclusive function Eze Nri. It starts from the Igbo native week of four market days to ‘onwa’ made up of seven native weeks which amounts to 28 days and to Aro of 13 Onwa (month). ‘Onwa’ is a moon cycle tracked by observing the movement of the moon; thirteen of which make one Igbo lunar year.

The proclamation invariably falls mid-February of every year, similar to the Chinese lunar calendar for which the Chinese celebrate and shut down for close to one month. According to him, the Igbo, unlike the Chinese who share similar lunar cycle with the Igbo, are subject people controlled by alien government and faith. READ ALSO: 50 years after the Nigerian Civil War (1) They cannot take out a week or month to celebrate the beginning of their ancestral lunar Calendar, like the Chinese, but Igbos like before the 1911 destruction of Igbo values at Nri by the Christian missionaries and the colonial authorities, and as the Western world celebrate the Gregorian New Year every first January, can at least devote a day to reenact their past and celebrate the centrality of their cultural values. The Gregorian calendar was founded by Pope Gregory XIII in October 1582.

Read more at: https://www.vanguardngr.com/2020/02/iguaro-nri-igbo-marks-lunar-calendar-2020/

UdechiHD:
I laugh at the young man. He's been fed with the Oduduwa myth as the origin of his ethnic group. A myth push up to relevance by Awolowo to unite the factional Yoruba clans. The fraudulent history that new Yoruba historian are beginning to question. He's yet to understand that Yoruba history existed centuries even before the arrival of Oduduwa from the east.

You're absolutely correct. The Yoruba history predates the coming of Oduduwa. But you can say that it was Oduduwa that united the Yorubas and gave them self awareness.
It's simply unwise to think that the over 30 million Yorubas across the globe began from Oduduwa.
The truth is that,before Oduduwa came,there were Igbo and other people (who later made up the present Yoruba) living in that part.

Before I proceed, please have the following firmly fixed at the back of your mind:

The identification of the Ogane as the Ooni of Ife was not simply imagined by me or some other random Nairalander. No, that is the very conclusion of historical scholarship world-wide.

On the other hand, the supposed identification of the Ogane as an Igbo king is simply the imagination of a handful of Igbo Nairalanders; and such idea has never, at any time, been held even by one scholar, of course for obvious reasons.

Now to the actual refutation/education I’m about to serve out here.

OfoIgbo:
The Portuguese who described the direction of the kingdom mentioned EAST, and they were not being metaphorical in their description of the direction, otherwise they wouldn't have gone on to give the direction

(1) The “east” information in the accounts was simply a received information from Benin. And as such, its presence in the Europeans’ accounts — in this received context — says absolutely nothing about the mind/intention of the Binis from whom it was received.

Having clarified that, it becomes obvious that the “east” of the accounts was not an independent information emanating from the Europeans themselves as their accounts weren’t compiled on the basis of some actual visit to the said Ogane’s kingdom.

Moreover, I have shown that all those saddled with the responsibility of identifying this Ogane of the European accounts have taken the “east” of the accounts non-literally, generally in the historical/religious sense of Ife as Oodaiye, Ibi ojumo tii mo wa — Ife: the source of the world, from where the sun rises.

THE DISTANCE and how HOW LONG IT TOOK to embark on that journey to the eastern kingdom.
Or are you also trying to falsely claim that the DISTANCE was another metaphorical word. Please explain.

(2) The information about the time it takes to journey from Benin to the Ogane’s kingdom (i.e. “twenty moons’ journey”) is likewise a received information from Benin which is interestingly accurate.

Guess what, I have an easy-to-follow Math computation which demonstrates neatly (based on received data from C.G. Okojie on the pace of a similar journey in olden times) that Ife indeed lies some “twenty moons’ journey” from Benin.

For this computation, see here.

Your fraud is so glaring for all to see..

Lol. Continue receiving enlightenment below:

(3) The specific information in the accounts regarding the distance from Benin to the Ogane’s Kingdom (i.e. two hundred and fifty leagues) is NOT itself a received information from Benin, but instead is the author’s supposition which he based on one of the received information.

How do we know this? We know this for the following reasons:

(i) A careful reading of the specific relevant aspect of de Barros’ account reveals this very clearly as follows:

“... at twenty moons’ journey — which ... would be about two hundred and fifty of our leagues — ...”

This shows clearly how the author presumed what the distance should be, based on the received information regarding the number of moons’ journey.

(ii) There is no reason whatsoever to think that the ancient Binis themselves (or even W/Africans of the time) had such a conception of distance in meters, kilometers, miles, leagues, etc.

How come modern Benin traditional authorities always deny any Ife cultural overlordship links, but have never denied NRI cultural overlordship links.

I challenge you to present one Benin oba or Benin custodian of tradition of any Benin oba-endorsed writing in which they publicly denied NRI cultural or spiritual overlordship. Benin Obas constantly deny the Ife cultural overlordship.

Regarding your logic and challenge to me to ”present one Benin oba or Benin custodian of tradition of any Benin oba-endorsed writing in which they publicly denied NRI cultural or spiritual overlordship”:

Your logic here (if this can be called logic at all) is not only fallacious but also embarrassingly silly. I mean, literally every single kingdom in the world could “argue” along this same dumb line to claim some interesting overlordship over Benin.

After all, Benin Kingdom haven’t publicly denied the overlordship of any of the Cameroon kingdoms, etc. At this point you should have realized the extent of your argument’s dumb.ness.

And regarding Ife, scholars have demonstrated again and again how the apparent refusal of some modern Bini kings to continue to acknowledge Ife’s absolute overlordship is only a recent phenomenon motivated by modern supremacy politics.

This interesting modern attempt to twist the historical events and tradition as was first heard of from the Edos in the 1970s. I have discussed this at great length HERE.

However, traditions gathered in Benin, from the Benin palace by Captain Ernest Roupell in the late 1890s stated clearly that the first Oba of Benin is Eweka(1) who is a Yoruba man from Ife. This particular account is published in H. Ling Roth, (1903), p.7.

Moreover, the image shown in the attached screenshot below is a circa 1300C.E. ‘bronze’ sculpture of the then Ooni of Ife which was excavated from the palace of Benin kingdom.

This is yet again an ancient and hard evidence of Ife’s overlordship over Benin kingdom which corroborates the received traditional accounts by Roupell.

As I type, this artifact lies in the Benin Museum. The attached screenshot is from page 77 of Professor Suzanne P. Blier’s “Art in Ancient Ife, Birthplace of the Yoruba”

cc: LegendHero, MinorityOpinion, BabaRamota1980.

OfoIgbo:
Iguaro Nri: Igbo marks lunar calendar 2020 ON FEBRUARY 9, 202011:0

Do you know the Yorubas have the 4 days week system as our ancient calendar called Kojoda?

The old Yoruba calendar is 4days week and we only came to adopt the normal 7 days week of Aiku, Aje, Isegun, Ojoru, Ojobo, eti, and abameta due to the influence of the Europeans.

A Yoruba Kojoda calendar year (Kojoda) which starts on what is 3rd of June of a Gregorian calendar to the 2nd of June of the next Greogrian year has 91 weeks with each week having four days. So let us talk about the Yoruba week. The four days are:

OJO OGUN: The Yorubas count these four days of the week starting from Ojo Ogun (Day of Ogun, the god of iron). Ojo Ogun is the first day of traditional Yoruba week and it is the day when the Ologun or the worshippers and devotees of Ogun worship this particular deity. On Ojo Ogun, the Ologuns worship and celebrate with various food items that are considered to be the favourite of Ogun. These include ekuru (a kind of steamed bean pudding), ewa (beans) and iyan (pounded yam). However, the most important item of sacrifice on Ojo Ogun is the dog. Since Ogun like balanced diet, it looks like Ojo Ogun will be my own favourite day of the week o. By the way, in some other parts of Yorubaland, it is also called Ojo Osoosi, named after another god, Osoosi, who is regarded as the brother of Ogun and Sango.

OJO JAKUTA: After Ojo Ogun comes the second day of the week. Ojo Jakuta is also called Ojo Sango. Sango is the Yoruba god of thunder, lightning and (electricity). The day in some parts of Yorubaland is called Ojo Oya. On this day dedicated to Sango, his worshippers stream out wearing bright red and white attires as those are Sango’s favourite colours and they do the worship by presenting edible items like amala with gbegiri soup, bitter cola and guguru (pop corn). For Sango, the most important sacrificial animal is the ram. I think I will decamp to Ojo Jakuta. Jakuta means ‘Someone Who Fought With Stones’.

OJO OSE: This is the third day and it is set aside for the worship of Orisha Nla (The Great Deity). The favourite food item used for this day is the ake beef but snails are also used for the sacrifices. On this special day, all the worshippers of Orisha Nla wear white garments and clean all their houses and environs. This same day can be dedicated to the worship of Obatala, Sonponna (god of small pox), Iyaami (the Mothers or Great Witches) and the Egungun (Masquerades).

OJO AWO: Ojo Awo (Day of the Deity) is the day set aside for Ifa (Oracle) and just like Orisha Nla, Ifa also prefers delicacies made from the ake beef. This same day can also be dedicated for the worship of Esu, Osun and Orunmila.

TAO11:
Before I proceed, please have the following firmly fixed at the back of your mind:.

I love the way you compose your replies with such coordination.

This brain power is definitely too much for these guys to comprehend because they are not well vast in the issue of discourse like you are.

I saw that some of them have have resorted to derailing the thread by littering it with irrelevant content in a bid to frustrate you from talking but I want you to know that I’m learning from your input just like several independent observers on this thread are learning from you.

LegendHero:


I love the way you compose your replies with such coordination.

This brain power is definitely too much for these guys to comprehend because they are not well vast in the issue of discourse like you are.

I saw that some of them have have resorted to derailing the thread by littering it with irrelevant content in a bid to frustrate you from talking but I want you to know that I’m learning from your input just like several independent observers on this thread are learning from you.

Thanks bro, I felt your comment. Real recognize real.

LegendHero:


Do you know the Yorubas have the 4 days week system as our ancient calendar called Kojoda?

The old Yoruba calendar is 4days week and we only came to adopt the normal 7 days week of Aiku, Aje, Isegun, Ojoru, Ojobo, eti, and abameta due to the influence of the Europeans.

A Yoruba Kojoda calendar year (Kojoda) which starts on what is 3rd of June of a Gregorian calendar to the 2nd of June of the next Greogrian year has 91 weeks with each week having four days. So let us talk about the Yoruba week. The four days are:

OJO OGUN: The Yorubas count these four days of the week starting from Ojo Ogun (Day of Ogun, the god of iron). Ojo Ogun is the first day of traditional Yoruba week and it is the day when the Ologun or the worshippers and devotees of Ogun worship this particular deity. On Ojo Ogun, the Ologuns worship and celebrate with various food items that are considered to be the favourite of Ogun. These include ekuru (a kind of steamed bean pudding), ewa (beans) and iyan (pounded yam). However, the most important item of sacrifice on Ojo Ogun is the dog. Since Ogun like balanced diet, it looks like Ojo Ogun will be my own favourite day of the week o. By the way, in some other parts of Yorubaland, it is also called Ojo Osoosi, named after another god, Osoosi, who is regarded as the brother of Ogun and Sango.

OJO JAKUTA: After Ojo Ogun comes the second day of the week. Ojo Jakuta is also called Ojo Sango. Sango is the Yoruba god of thunder, lightning and (electricity). The day in some parts of Yorubaland is called Ojo Oya. On this day dedicated to Sango, his worshippers stream out wearing bright red and white attires as those are Sango’s favourite colours and they do the worship by presenting edible items like amala with gbegiri soup, bitter cola and guguru (pop corn). For Sango, the most important sacrificial animal is the ram. I think I will decamp to Ojo Jakuta. Jakuta means ‘Someone Who Fought With Stones’.

OJO OSE: This is the third day and it is set aside for the worship of Orisha Nla (The Great Deity). The favourite food item used for this day is the ake beef but snails are also used for the sacrifices. On this special day, all the worshippers of Orisha Nla wear white garments and clean all their houses and environs. This same day can be dedicated to the worship of Obatala, Sonponna (god of small pox), Iyaami (the Mothers or Great Witches) and the Egungun (Masquerades).

OJO AWO: Ojo Awo (Day of the Deity) is the day set aside for Ifa (Oracle) and just like Orisha Nla, Ifa also prefers delicacies made from the ake beef. This same day can also be dedicated for the worship of Esu, Osun and Orunmila.

With the above writeup from you, you have just categorically proven that Ife never had any hands in the crowning of any Benin Oba.

Every single Yoruba market day that you mentioned, is different from any of the Nri days which are also DEITIES. You don't consult deities by calling them a name that is not the deity's,

There's no way in heaven and on earth, a Yoruba priest can play a part in the dedication of a Benin king referring to deities that are not honoured by the would-be king..

The Igbo market days are the same as the Benin market days, and the Nris own the deities behind those market days, so already there's a spiritual common ground between the Nri Igbo and the Benin, making such dedications very compatible. I can guarantee you this, that the difference in days/deities automatically disqualifies any Ooni of Ife.

Do Yorubas perform Kolanut rituals like the Igbos or Bini people?

OfoIgbo:


No one is talking about eating kolanut. Possibly every Nigerian community eats it.

The question is whether Yorubas perform Kolanut rituals, and I have never seen any epic Yoruba nollywood film where Yoruba elders perform the Kolanut blessing and breaking. So I have good reason to assume that Yorubas don't perform Kolanut rituals.

If Yorubas don't perform the Kolanut ritual and don't use the 4 NRI market days/deities, then I have enough probable cause, to claim that no Yoruba monarch or priest has ever played any role in the crowning of any Benin oba.

So far, we have established that EAST is EAST, and DISTANCE is DISTANCE.

Prof. Afigbo, Jeffrey's and Lawton have accurately identified the Nris as having cultural responsibilities towards Benin. Knobler has been identified as a quack historian, or a bad historian at best

The portuguese and dutch that visited Benin were not historians and they were not anthropologists nor archeologists, they were merchants and came for trade. They chronicled their observations.

The information triggered interest in the academic circle. Explorers began to piece together various accounts published by merchants and sailors across kingdoms and empires of Africa and set to out to investigate.

They found out some accounts in publication needed revision. For example maps, bodies of water, location of kingdoms and so on. Where one explorer left off, another picks up from behind. This is how with help of cartographers proper and detailed maps were drawn for West Africa.

In some of the publications by merchants and sailors Benin was said to cover half the landmass of West Africa. Explorers and cartographers found this to be an error, and deemed it due to lack of contact. This led to exploration of interior of West Africa. One of the places they were looking for was the capital of Imperial Ife. As far away as Mauritania Arabic scholars had also written about Ife (Nyffe).

Explorers knew those merchants were buying slaves on the coast but the stock came from interior. So they followed slave tracks to gain access into the interior.
Some entered West Africa from Senegal and Gambia, some from Badagry and others from Agadez in the desert and Darfur from the Nile. This is how they discovered River Niger and decided to map it. Its why Mungo Park was here. Its why Livingstone was here. Its why Clapperton and Lander was here.

The explorers also collected information and published them. This is how Ahmed Baba's knowledge of Yoruba and Sultan Bello's knowledge of Yoruba came about. Clapperton and Landers followed slave tracks beginning at Badagry inward to Oyo to Kano.

Explorers were followed by new age merchants. Slave trade was stopped. Stopping slave trade involved military and therefore a political dimension was introduced. The politics and its guns were used to force take over of ports and lands from which humans were previously shipped. Trade in new commodities from interior had its own challenges as well. To force commodity traffic to the merchant ships the interior must also be given same gun and mortar treatment as was done in coast. Therefore political administrators were given command authority to order war against natives. As this was going on missionaries followed behind the massacre to convert battered spirits to christianity. Behind missionaries came historians, anthropologists, archeologists who wanted to tie together the loose ends of our links and cultures.

This is how Egharevba came into prominence. This also why Leo Frobenius was in Nigeria. It is why Law, Smith, Blier, and many others were able to investigate, inspect, enquire, exhume and record their findings using the process of acceptable academic standards. Their scholarship work is what we have all been throwing around.

Scholars that visited Benin also visited Ife. Why is that?
It's because they need to listen to both sides of the story. There must have been a story told in Benin that pointed at Ife.

Ofoigbo, my first question to you here is, why didn't any scholar leave Benin to come to Nri for follow up? Why didn't Egharevba mention Nri?


After political administrators had gained proper hold of Southern Nigeria, they needed a tiered structure that would connect their purpose with that of the culture on ground. To do that they introduced indirect ruling and also combined cultures with historical ties and kinship. Hence the kinship and history between the head of jamaa in Ilorin and Sokoto gave reason to put Ilorin to North. The kinship and history between the head of Benin Kingdom (which extended to Asaba) and Ife is reason that Western region stretched to River Niger at Asaba.

Clans that had no kings were assigned warrant officers to rule over them for administration.

Ofoigbo, second question, why didn't colonial administrator connect Benin to Nri even when Asaba and its environs are Ibo speaking people? Why didn't Oba of Benin correct them and insist to be grouped with his ancestral place in Nri?

In the history of Benin there has only been one Oba that claimed not to come from Ife. The same Oba was instrumental in removing midwest from west. He wanted political independence. He got it in the referendum of 63. Three years later, in Jan 66, Ibos seized his domain and declared it a Biafran territory. A decisive blow and embarassment. He gradually became more isolated and bitter and sought to exert his neutrality and independence even more fiercely, hence the nonsense about Benin did not come from Ife. The current king has reconciled the dynasty back to its Ife root when on ascension he declared Eweka was first Oba of Benin.

Ofoigbo, here is my third question, the title of Benin monarch is Omo n'Oba. Does this mean anything in Nri?



To cap, the link between Nri and Benin is phantom, exists only in Ibo mind. Even in Iboland there are groups that refuse to accept Nri as Ibo and they believe it was a creation of Igala. These people say Aro is the authentic Igbo progenitor and Nri is fake. So if amongst your own clan Nri is held to be non-authorative and is considered subordinate to Aro, how could Nri now become the overlord of a foreign monarchy that Benin traditions say came from Ife. The Edos say their Ogisos sent emissaries to Ife to request that a prince come to rule them. This is how Oranmiyan entered Edo and had a child Eweka who the current Oba of Benin certified as the first Omo n'Oba.


Nri need to go and find their lost child somewhere else, he is not in Benin. Maybe you meant Benue. Benin and Benue are similar in spelling but not same abeg.

Until you find your son king in Benue, Igbo enwe eze!

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