Hellraiser77:
There is nothing in your link to support the fact that the Bini refered to Ooni as Oghene

I've come to the conclusion that you are utterly closed minded and hell bent on Dressing fables as truth

You may have missed it. See attached. Lol.

TAO11:
I’m glad reasonable Igbos like Oflogbo and Karanka have began to learn by putting aside sheer ego and bitterness, and started to seek answers to some quite genuine questions.

They could clearly tell the obvious difference between imagining history and citing historical sources and scholarship.

Kudos to you guys for being progressive rather than stuck in bitterness.

Your History is a lie, An old lie I may add

It is so dressed up that Europeans found it fascinating, This does not in any way give it credence

In the absence of any record of events like is the case with most European history....Then credible History can only be established through intense Archeological and linguistic research.

Not stories of How IFE descended from a single person called Oduduwa who fell down from heaven, you have been dubious enough to remove this type of fables from your so-called historical accounts.

I've honestly tried studying yoruba and Ife history and it's just full of fairy tales and cock and bull stories

I have more regard for Bini history, Their chronicle of events are plausible and To some extent verifiable ( which maybe as a result of it being more recent)

Side note...The name Edo was given by Oba Ewuare 1 to rename the city Benin after a head slave who died while ensuring he Ewuare became the next oba...

Check the Story of Ewuare before saying such unfounded claims

Benin are the same as Edo...

No such thing as Benin royalty and Edo slaves....

They are all bunch of lies

Even the Obas family greeting is used by people that don't even have link with them

TAO11:
Good question! First of all, nobody said it is precisely a Yoruba word.

This particular word — according to João de Barros’ account — is “Ogané”. In order words, it is a Portuguese rendition of an indigenous Bini word by which the Binis described this “most powerful monarch” to Joao Afonso d’Aveiros in circa 1480.

In the account of Duarte Pacheco Pereira on the other hand, the Dutch rendition of the indigenous Bini word word describing this “most powerful monarch” was Houguanee.

The above Portuguese and Dutch renditions (i.e. “Ogané” and “Houguanee” respectively) thus beg the question of what the actual indigenous Bini word itself was.

The only Bini word which not only corresponds closely to these foreign renditions, but which is also used in Benin traditional accounts to refer to the monarch of Ife is the indigenous word “Oghene” — which in Edo language means: the great-lord.

The Binis till date in their traditional/cultural setting still refer to the “Ooni of Ife” as “Oghene n’Uhe”. See: [url=https://books.google.com/books?id=fRBqDwAAQBAJ&pg=PT200&lpg=PT200&dq=Oghene+n%27Uhe&source=bl&ots=2PQ5iBUUfN&sig=ACfU3U3v7VSlqF07YMELUTv6R95W7_MqHA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjY5Jen6p3rAhXAhHIEHQFvBz8Q6AEwB3oECAgQAQ#v=onepage&q=Oghene%20n'Uhe&f=false]R.E. Bradbury’s “Benin Studies”[/url] for example.

So far, my discussion has been from the Benin side, and that is because these accounts about this “most powerful monarch” was collected from there. But to make things even more interesting and detailed, I will share something on the Yoruba side of things.

From the Yoruba side, the distinctive royal title of the monarch of Ife is “Ooni”. This word literally means “the one who owns [everything]”.

From a linguistic perspective moreover, it is easy to see that the Yoruba “Ooni” and the Bini ”Oghene” (used in this context to address the same individual) are actually cognates.

In fact, even a cursory familiarity with the practice of elision and elongation in Yoruba language will make it clear that the elongation of the syllable “oo” in “Ooni” (by doubling the letter “o”) indicates that this word derives from an etymon common to itself and the Bini “Oghene”.

This idea is more obvious in the practice of elongating the “o” in “Ooduwa” — an indication of the fact that “Ooduwa” (or “Oodua” ) involves some syllabic elisions from “Oduduwa”.

Cheers.

cc: LegendHero, MinorityOpinion, BabaRamota1980

Very brilliant, I love it. This explanation is far more acceptable.

Hellraiser77:
Your History is a lie, An old lie I may add

It is so dressed up that Europeans found it fascinating, This does not in any way give it credence

In the absence of any record of events like is the case with most European history....Then credible History can only be established through intense Archeological and linguistic research.

Not stories of How IFE descended from a single person called Oduduwa who fell down from heaven, you have been dubious enough to remove this type of fables from your so-called historical accounts.

I've honestly tried studying yoruba and Ife history and it's just full of fairy tales and cock and bull stories

I have more regard for Bini history, Their chronicle of events are plausible and To some extent verifiable ( which maybe as a result of it being more recent)

Cry me the world’s oceans.

Etinosa1234:


1400 Lol...when did oguola build the most...
.when did uwaifioku die ...when did oba ewuare start building the Empire

Read more abt the nri...they were militarily and politically useless.....

When the Europeans came to ur place, they found out that y'all reside in the bush and it was "every man be ruler" over there...

Why was warrant chiefs installed there if there were traditional rulers

NRI was never a military state, it's a well known fact that Leadership was descentralized in ancient igboland, The Eze NRI was more like a Very highly placed Priest that interpreted already existing laws that were supposedly recieved from the gods.

Nris influence was built on this knowledge and mastery of the spiritual, This influence spread far and wide Through Bini to IFE and as far north as Wukari in modern day taraba state.

As at the time of the rise of Bini as a military force, NRI was already much declined in influence,Bini rulers lost regard for the Nri priests in their court..A sitting Oba disrespected the Nri deity "Udo"

Ezechima the forebearer of Onitsha and it's Anioma neighbors left Bini and journeyed east back towards their homelands,

Eze Aro left with his people and moved in a south easternly direction towards modern day Arochukwu where he displaced the indigenous ibibios

TAO11:
Cry me the world’s oceans.

Your dubiouness is glaring for any discerning person to see, you keep picking out fabled accounts that favour your narrative while leaving out the broader picture

Post the direct link to your so called historical accounts, i need to see the whole picture not bits and pieces that you picked out

You are irredeemably Fraudlent

Hellraiser77:
NRI was never a military state, it's a well known fact that Leadership was descentralized in ancient igboland, The Eze NRI was more like a Very highly placed Priest that interpreted already existing laws that were supposedly recieved from the gods.

Nris influence was built on this knowledge and mastery of the spiritual, This influence spread far and wide Through Bini to IFE and as far north as Wukari in modern day taraba state.

As at the time of the rise of Bini as a military force, NRI was already much declined in influence,Bini rulers lost regard for Igbos in their court......Ezechima the forebearer of Onitsha and it's Anioma neighbors left Bini and journeyed east back towards their homelands, Eze Aro left with his people and moved in a south easternly direction towards modern day Arochukwu where he displaced the ibibios

So the igbos influenced Benin, Ife and northern parts of Nigeria spiritually...wow...

Even hausa have not accomplished such feat

Hellraiser77:
Your dubiouness is glaring for any discerning person to see, you keep picking out fabled accounts that favour your narrative while leaving out the broader picture

Post the direct link to your so called historical accounts, i need to see the whole picture not bits and pieces that you picked out

You are irredeemably Fraudlent

When the link was shared, you claimed to be unable to see the relevant content.

And when the screenshot of the said relevant content was subsequently shared, you whined that links are the best and preferred option.

Please convince me on why I must even share anything with you in the first place. Lol.

You come across as someone battling inferiority complex. I will allow you please yourself with whatever helps you to sleep tonight.

I am not planning to have a hand in pushing you towards suicide. Bye-bye, abeg

Etinosa1234:


So the igbos influenced Benin, Ife and northern parts of Nigeria spiritually...wow...

Even hausa have not accomplished such feat

Wukari which is jukun land recieved NRI priests and merchants, for example This is a very recent Igbo trade route from 1900

Hellraiser77:
Wukari which is jukun land recieved NRI priests and merchants, for example This is a very recent Igbo trade route from 1900

So trade routes signifies dominance...

No Wonder u believe u own lagos

TAO11:
When the link was shared, you claimed to be unable to see the relevant content.

And the screen shot of same relevant content was shared, you whined are ranted that links are the best and preferred option.

Please convince me on why I must even share anything with you in the first place.

You come across as someone battling inferiority complex. I will allow please yourself with whatever will help you sleep tonight. I am not planning to unknowingly push you into suicide mode.

Cheers.

Your dubious link opens a page that wants payment before anyone can access the book....proving you are a fraud

So it's either you make that your book freely available here to anybody that may come across this page to study and make their own assertions or you wear your fraud tag and walk out of this thread cloaked in shame

You should know by now you are not dealing with kids

Hellraiser77:
Your dubious link opens a page that wants payment before anyone can access the book....proving you are a fraud

So it's either you make that your book freely available here to anybody that may come across this page to study and make their own assertions or you wear your fraud tag and walk out of this thread cloaked in shame

You should know by now you are not dealing with kids

No it doesn’t require payment. Do you lie for a living [url=https://books.google.com/books?id=fRBqDwAAQBAJ&pg=PT200&lpg=PT200&dq=Oghene+n%27Uhe&source=bl&ots=2PQ5iBUUfN&sig=ACfU3U3v7VSlqF07YMELUTv6R95W7_MqHA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjY5Jen6p3rAhXAhHIEHQFvBz8Q6AEwB3oECAgQAQ#v=onepage&q=Oghene%20n&f=false]See the link again one more time[/url].

But how does your poverty even become my fault

Etinosa1234:


So trade routes signifies dominance...

No Wonder u believe u own lagos

Please pick your dictionary and look up the difference between Influence and Dominance, Afterwards give yourself a hard knock on your head for being Dumb

TAO11:


No it doesn’t require payment. Again

But how does your poverty even become my fault

Your Fraudlent nature didn't allow you Indicate that your link leads to Pay-to-read book, Fraud man dropping Useless links to bolster his false narrative

Hellraiser77:
Your Fraudlent nature didn't allow you Indicate that your link leads to Pay-to-read book, Fraud man dropping Useless links to bolster his false narrative

No the link doesn’t require you to pay. [url=https://books.google.com/books?id=fRBqDwAAQBAJ&pg=PT200&lpg=PT200&dq=Oghene+n%27Uhe&source=bl&ots=2PQ5iBUUfN&sig=ACfU3U3v7VSlqF07YMELUTv6R95W7_MqHA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjY5Jen6p3rAhXAhHIEHQFvBz8Q6AEwB3oECAgQAQ#v=onepage&q=Oghene%20n&f=false]See the link here again, you Nri liar [/url]

TAO11:


No it doesn’t require payment. Do you lie for a living [url=https://books.google.com/books?id=fRBqDwAAQBAJ&pg=PT200&lpg=PT200&dq=Oghene+n%27Uhe&source=bl&ots=2PQ5iBUUfN&sig=ACfU3U3v7VSlqF07YMELUTv6R95W7_MqHA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjY5Jen6p3rAhXAhHIEHQFvBz8Q6AEwB3oECAgQAQ#v=onepage&q=Oghene%20n&f=false]See the link again one more time[/url].

But how does your poverty even become my fault

Just look how you edited your response to hide the fact that it had required payment before just to change the narrative........You are Fraudlent in nature, A snake and A Con artist

Nothing you say should be regarded as truth, ThankGod I already quoted you

2500 BCE when Some of Humans started to Migrated from Nordic and Germanic Region they went into two direction, one Group settled along resent Volga River another Big group went towards what we have present Iran and Northern India.

This is called Indo-Aryan or Indo-European Migration it was a continuous process thill 500 BCE it was over.

Just 72 years ago Both Iran and India were Next door neighbors, North India and Iran are same Genetically as well.
Out of India`s 13 main races 6 Dominant races from Northern India are Indo-Aryan people. While in south they have Brown skin people mainly from various Dravidian Race groups.


References you may find related:
https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Human-Leukocyte-Antigen-(HLA)-Class-I-and-II-in-Nikbin-Nicknam/e71445c49146f3571ac92222de3521ba4e74806d

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Aryan_migration
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-European_migrations

TAO11:
Yes, it’s a state in India. But I don’t know if it’s Old Persia or not.

Hellraiser77:
Please pick your dictionary and look up the difference between Influence and Dominance, Afterwards give yourself a hard knock on your head for being Dumb

So u consider trade routes as a sign of influence...

So y'all influence Aworis in Lagos....

Amazing

Etinosa1234:


So u consider trade routes as a sign of influence...

So y'all influence Aworis in Lagos....

Amazing

This is just to prove to your closed mind how far Igbos went, Nri Priests and emissaries journeyed to jukun land for the same purposes they visited bini

rationalhuman:
2500 BCE when Some of Humans started to Migrated from Nordic and Germanic Region they went into two direction, one Group settled along resent Volga River another Big group went towards what we have present Iran and Northern India.

This is called Indo-Aryan or Indo-European Migration it was a continuous process thill 500 BCE it was over.

Just 72 years ago Both Iran and India were Next door neighbors, North India and Iran are same Genetically as well.
Out of India`s 13 main races 6 Dominant races from Northern India are Indo-Aryan people. While in south they have Brown skin people mainly from various Dravidian Race groups.


References you may find related:
https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Human-Leukocyte-Antigen-(HLA)-Class-I-and-II-in-Nikbin-Nicknam/e71445c49146f3571ac92222de3521ba4e74806d

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Aryan_migration
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-European_migrations

Interesting piece.

cc: BabaRamota1980, an answer to your inquiry?

Hellraiser77:
Just look how you edited your response to hide the fact that it had required payment before just to change the narrative........You are Fraudlent in nature, A snake and A Con artist

Nothing you say should be regarded as truth, ThankGod I already quoted you

Oh I see, it was requiring payment before, but when I modified my comment (for clarity and details) it then suddenly stopped requiring payment. Interesting.

Isn’t God wonderful to have placed you among human beings?? No one can question God though.

TAO11:
No the link doesn’t require you to pay. [url=https://books.google.com/books?id=fRBqDwAAQBAJ&pg=PT200&lpg=PT200&dq=Oghene+n%27Uhe&source=bl&ots=2PQ5iBUUfN&sig=ACfU3U3v7VSlqF07YMELUTv6R95W7_MqHA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjY5Jen6p3rAhXAhHIEHQFvBz8Q6AEwB3oECAgQAQ#v=onepage&q=Oghene%20n&f=false]See the link here again, you Nri liar [/url]

Nigg why you trying to prove a point by duping your opponents.....This link doesn't have any Ebook yet you posted it here to try to dupe us

Cc ofoigbo gwafaeziokwu letu please open the above link and see if you find anything , This guy is a clown

TAO11:
Oh I see, it was requiring payment before, but when I modified my comment (for clarity and details) it then suddenly stopped requiring payment. Interesting.

Isn’t God wonderful to have placed you among human beings?? No one can question God though.

Niggs your link is a fraud, there is no ebook there

TAO11:
Oh I see, it was requiring payment before, but when I modified my comment (for clarity and details) it then suddenly stopped requiring payment. Interesting.

Isn’t God wonderful to have placed you among human beings?? No one can question God though.

Niggs explain how I'm supposed to read your stupid ebook that doesn't exist

Hellraiser77:
Nigg why you trying to prove a point by duping your opponents.....This link doesn't have any Ebook yet you posted it here to try to dupe us

Cc ofoigbo gwafaeziokwu letu please open the above link and see if you find anything , This guy is a clown

Let’s trace the locus of your shifted goal post so far:

First: The required information is not present in this book.

Second: I need to pay to access the content of this book.

Third: There is no book at all at this link.

God why??

TAO11:
Good question! First of all, nobody said it is precisely a Yoruba word.

This particular word — according to João de Barros’ account — is “Ogané”. In order words, it is a Portuguese rendition of an indigenous Bini word by which the Binis described this “most powerful monarch” to Joao Afonso d’Aveiros in circa 1480.

In the account of Duarte Pacheco Pereira on the other hand, the Dutch rendition of the indigenous Bini word word describing this “most powerful monarch” was Houguanee.

The above Portuguese and Dutch renditions (i.e. “Ogané” and “Houguanee” respectively) thus beg the question of what the actual indigenous Bini word itself was.

The only Bini word which not only corresponds closely to these foreign renditions, but which is also used in Benin traditional accounts to refer to the monarch of Ife is the indigenous word “Oghene” — which in Edo language means: the great-lord.

The Binis till date in their traditional/cultural setting still refer to the “Ooni of Ife” as “Oghene n’Uhe”. See: [url=https://books.google.com/books?id=fRBqDwAAQBAJ&pg=PT200&lpg=PT200&dq=Oghene+n%27Uhe&source=bl&ots=2PQ5iBUUfN&sig=ACfU3U3v7VSlqF07YMELUTv6R95W7_MqHA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjY5Jen6p3rAhXAhHIEHQFvBz8Q6AEwB3oECAgQAQ#v=onepage&q=Oghene%20n&f=false]R. E. Bradbury’s “Benin Studies”[/url] for example.

So far, my discussion has been from the Benin side, and that is because these accounts about this “most powerful monarch” was collected from there. But to make things even more interesting and detailed, I will share something on the Yoruba side of things.

From the Yoruba side, the distinctive royal title of the monarch of Ife is “Ooni”. This word literally means “the one who owns [everything]”.

From a linguistic perspective moreover, it is easy to see that the Yoruba “Ooni” and the Bini ”Oghene” (used in this context to address the same individual) are actually cognates.

In fact, even a cursory familiarity with the practice of elision and elongation in Yoruba language will make it clear that the elongation of the syllable “oo” in “Ooni” (by doubling the letter “o”) indicates that this word derives from an etymon common to itself and the Bini “Oghene”.

This idea is more obvious in the practice of elongating the “o” in “Ooduwa” — an indication of the fact that “Ooduwa” (or “Oodua” ) involves some syllabic elisions from “Oduduwa”.

Cheers.

cc: LegendHero, MinorityOpinion, BabaRamota1980

Fantastic once again, I think the east confusion might have happened when the explorer asked of this Ogane and the African than answered told them he is from when the sun rises (given African don't have the knowledge of the map and title of Ooni of Ife that says King from where the sun rises from) so the explorer concluded it must be east by the sun factor. This matter can be sort out, sorry it has been sorted out but the other party are just playing to gallery

TAO11:
I’m glad reasonable and true Igbos like Oflogbo and Karanka have began to learn by putting aside sheer ego and bitterness. Lately they’ve sought to answer some fairly genuine questions.

They could clearly tell the obvious difference between imagining history and citing historical sources and scholarship.

Kudos to you guys for being progressive rather than stuck in bitterness.

I learn a lot from you, good research, etan loku bayii, file koma gbo

Hellraiser77:
Niggs explain how I'm supposed to read your stupid ebook that doesn't exist

I am not to blame for any of your predicament.

Your predicament could be as a result of your side of the world (from where you’re attempting to access the link) — whatever your ugly predicament is in any case, I am certainly not to blame for it.

TAO11:
Let’s trace the locus of the shifter goal post so far:

First: The required information is not present in this book.

Second: I need to pay to access the content of this book.

Third: There is no book at all at this link.

God why??

You have clearly been proven to be a fraud.

Now you have switched tactics to deviation

Your fraudlent link took me to the page below which says no ebook
Bro why you disgracing your family on here?

TAO11:
You may have missed it. See attached. Lol.

I'm saving this image and I'm following you to tag you incase ibos(I know they will) bring this ogane up again lol

Hellraiser77:
You have clearly been proven to be a fraud.

Now you have switched tactics to deviation

Your fraudlent link took me to the page below which says no ebook
Bro why you disgracing your family on here?

Again:

“I am not to blame for any of your predicament.

Your predicament could be as a result of your side of the world (from where you’re attempting to access the link) — whatever your ugly predicament is in any case, I am certainly not to blame for it.”