LegendHero:


Why are you lying for God sake.

I clicked the link and it showed this!

That means the ebook actually existed on it and you can read it.

You only need to pay if you are trying to download the whole ebook. You can actually just read the page he referred you to for free.

Nigga I don't see shit on the link, until I can read that whole article and Vet it This is my conclusion on ogane

LegendHero:


Why are you lying for God sake.

I clicked the link and it showed this!

That means the ebook actually existed on it and you can read it.

You only need to pay if you are trying to download the whole ebook. You can actually just read the page he referred you to for free.

Nri Kingdom obviously needs lies to be saved from complete drowning.

He probably went to Google the name of the book (instead of clicking the link) and then selected the option which required payment instead of the open access options.

Nri kingdom finally went down the drain.

Hellraiser77:
Nigga I don't see shit on the link, until I can read that whole article and Vet it This is my conclusion on ogane

Then you’re obviously browsing from NRI kingdom then coz the link is available with Ebook for people living in the current time.

Did you study Veterinary in school? Why are you trying to vet the article when you can actually vet it from the page you saw in the screenshots TAO11 provided?

Learn when to stop talking. Where is your honor as a man?

TAO11:
Nri Kingdom obviously need lies to be saved from complete drowning.

He probably went to Google the name of the book (instead of clicking the link) and then select the option which required payment instead of open ones.

Nri kingdom finally went down the drain.

Lol. NRI kingdom need to be saved.

Let’s call Ofoigbo to help in saving our great NRI from maximum drowning.

LegendHero:


Lol if Hellraiser77 commot suicide, it is your fault ooo.

@Hellraiser77 let me give you an advice:
When you see you are arguing against a superior intellect, the best thing you can do is to keep shut and fight another day.

If you keep talking, the superior intellect will keep spraying you with too much fact such that you will loose your self esteem and honor as a man.

Normally, you can’t be well versed in all topics, there are some topics that are your core competencies and there are some that is way above your league.

Just relax and learn behind the scene.

What does it even mean to "commot" suicide? ........Tao11 the Fraud has tried Changing our Ogane to oghene then to Ooni Same way he tried changing East to west

But I'm not letting him , That's why he throwing Tantrums

TAO11:
Nri Kingdom obviously need lies to be saved from complete drowning.

He probably went to Google the name of the book (instead of clicking the link) and then select the option which required payment instead of open ones.

Nri kingdom finally went down the drain.

Ife Kingdom bowed before NRI the day Ooni of IFE released this press statement, This is from the horse's mouth not your Fraudlent links

Hellraiser77:
Nigga I don't see shit on the link, until I can read that whole article and Vet it This is my conclusion on ogane

cc: LegendHero.

This desperate Nri liar seeks every opportunity to magnify his ignorance. I have flogged him and exposed his ignorance on this particular screenshot yesterday. See below again.

I already mentioned Ryder’s exception in his 1965 hypothesis in which he differed from the consensus of historical scholarship at the time.

However, I also pointed out how he traced back his steps in 1969 to the realistic conclusion of historical scholarship.

What you obviously could never have known in this regard is that even Ryder himself never looked in the direction of Igboland in his 1965 article, rather he was looking in the direction of the Niger-Benue confluence.

In other words, the scholars of precolonial Nigeria history who engaged with this identification all understand the word “east” of this account to be non-literal.

Moreover, the historian Elizabeth Allo Isichei confirmed how Ryder dropped his 1965 solitary and radical view in his 1969 work. Isichei writes:

“It is noteworthy that Ryder, who questioned the Ife connection and argued the case for the linkages with a NORTHERN KINGDOM, abandoned the line of argument in his later book, Benin and the European.”

— Elizabeth A. Isichei, “A History of Nigeria”, Longman (1983), Volume 2, p.137.

Regarding Lawal (1977) on the other hand, he took off from where Ryder 1965 left and added his own unique details — all of which are hypothetical, but nothing in the direction of Igboland. The following are Lawal’s precise words:

“None the less, if it is true that this fifteenth century ‘Ogane’ referred to a Yoruba kingdom further north of Benin or near the middle Niger area, then the only Yoruba kingdom that would seem to have been strong enough during this period to rule Benin would be Old-Oyo .”

— Babatunde Lawal, “The Present State of Art Historical Research in Nigeria: Problems and Possibilities”, Journal of African History, Vol. 18, No. (2). p.211.

It is obvious at this point that you’re caught between a hard rock and a hard place. Lol. But in any case, no scholar identified the Ogane to be an Igbo king — not one scholar. Even your attachment shows Ryder (1965) and Lawal (1977) to be putting forward an hypothetical suggestion — it says: “probably not” modern Ife.

However, what has already been established till date by the body of historical scholarship, on the other hand, is the fact that the Ogane who is described in this account as the most powerful monarch is none other than the Ooni of Ife.

See: Stoll 1902:161-166; Roth 1903:6n1; Marquart 1913:52; Talbot 1926:1:155-156, 281-282, 3:573; Schurhammer 1928:28-30; Bradbury 1964:151, Paula Marti 1960:63, Mauny 1961:182; Akinjogbin 1967:41-43; Ryder 1969: 31; Law 1973:17-19; Willett 1973:137-138; Obayemi 1976:247; Horton 1979; Bondarenko 2003; Akintoye 2010:141-142.

Adam Knobler in as recent as 2016 simply echoed the conclusion reached by all of the above galaxy of scholars in historical scholarship as seen attached below.

Hellraiser77:
What does it even mean to "commot" suicide? ........Tao11 the Fraud has tried Changing our Ogane to oghene then to Ooni Same way he tried changing East to west

But I'm not letting him , That's why he throwing Tantrums

NRI should have told you it was typo error.

Probably NRI still wanted to give you redemption which explain why it automatically influenced my keypad to type commot instead of commit “suicide”.

You lied again my friend, the only person throwing tantrums on this thread is you.

LegendHero:


Then you’re obviously browsing from NRI kingdom then coz the link is available with Ebook for people living in the current time.

Did you study Veterinary in school? Why are you trying to vet the article when you can actually vet it from the page you saw in the screenshots TAO11 provided?

Learn when to stop talking. Where is your honor as a man?

You can throw Tantrums all you like, I stand on the truth only, just like the current Ooni who stood by the truth and made a revelation that even the Bini obas know to be true yet sit on it

Ooni ogunwusi is the greatest Yoruba man to walk the face of the earth

TAO11:
cc: LegendHero This desperate Nri liar seeks every opportunity to magnify his ignorance. I have flogged him and expose his ignorance on this particular screenshot yesterday. See below again.

I have already pointed out Ryder’s 1965 hypothesis which differed from the consensus of historical scholarship at the time.

However, I also pointed out how he traced back his steps in 1969 to the realistic conclusion of historical scholarship.

What you obviously could not have known in this regard is that even Ryder himself never looked in the direction of Igboland in his 1965 article, rather he was looking in the direction of the Niger-Benue confluence.

In other words, the scholars of precolonial Nigeria history who engaged with this identification all understand the word “east” of this account to be non-literal.

Moreover, the historian Elizabeth Allo Isichei confirmed how Ryder dropped his 1965 solitary and radical view in his 1969 work. Isichei writes:

“It is noteworthy that Ryder, who questioned the Ife connection and argued the case for the linkages with a NORTHERN KINGDOM, abandoned the line of argument in his later book, Benin and the European.” — Elizabeth A. Isichei, “A History of Nigeria”, Longman (1983), Volume 2, p.137.


Regarding Lawal (1977) on the other hand, he took off from where Ryder 1965 left and added his personal details — all hypothetical, but nothing in the direction of Igboland. The following are Lawal’s precise words:

“None the less, if it is true that this fifteenth century ‘Ogane’ refereed to a Yoruba kingdom further north of Benin or near the middle Niger area, then the only Yoruba kingdom that would seem to have been strong enough during this period to rule Benin would be Old .” grin

— Babatunde Lawal, “The Present State of Art Historical Research in Nigeria: Problems and Possibilities”, Journal of African History, Vol. 18, No. (2). p.211.

It is obvious at this point that you’re caught between a hard rock and a hard place. Lol. But in any case, no scholar identified the Ogane to be an Igbo king — not one scholar. Even your attachment shows Ryder (1965) and Lawal (1977) to be putting forward an hypothetical suggestion — it says: “probably not” modern Ife.

However, what has already been established till date by the body of historical scholarship, on the other hand, is the fact that the Ogane who is described in this account as the most powerful monarch is none other than the Ooni of Ife.

See: Stoll 1902:161-166; Roth 1903:6n1; Marquart 1913:52; Talbot 1926:1:155-156, 281-282, 3:573; Schurhammer 1928:28-30; Bradbury 1964:151, Paula Marti 1960:63, Mauny 1961:182; Akinjogbin 1967:41-43; Ryder 1969: 31; Law 1973:17-19; Willett 1973:137-138; Obayemi 1976:247; Horton 1979; Bondarenko 2003; Akintoye 2010:141-142.

Adam Knobler in as recent as 2016 simply echoed the conclusion reached by all of the above galaxy of scholars in historical scholarship as seen attached below.

Hellraiser77 don enter wahala.

How will he be able to get over this psychological torture that you’re inflicting on him.

My friend Hellraiser, it is not to late to keep shut.

Just lie that your internet connection malfunctioned and log off Nairaland ASAP!

LegendHero:


NRI should have told you it was typo error.

Probably NRI still wanted to give you redemption which explain why it automatically influenced my keypad to type commot instead of commit “suicide”.

You lied again my friend, the only person throwing tantrums on this thread is you.

Take your protest to the Oonis palace

LegendHero:


Hellraiser77 don enter wahala.

How will he be able to get over this psychological torture that you’re inflicting on him.

My friend Hellraiser, it is not to late to keep shut.

Just lie that your internet connection malfunctioned and log off Nairaland ASAP!

Ooni ogunwusi won't be happy you are disrespecting his parent throne NRI, be wary of curses

Hellraiser77:
Ife Kingdom bowed before NRI the day Ooni of IFE released this press statement, This is from the horse's mouth not your Fraudlent links

cc: LegendHero

Yes, according to Yoruba traditional/cultural accounts all kingdoms and peoples (including your Nri and all Igbo) sprang out from Ife.

Congratulations to you for conceding the Ooni’s position that Ile-Ife is the dispersal point for all cultures (including the Igbo culture) — and not the other way round.

Ife is truly the “Oodaiye” — the source of all.

TAO11:
cc: LegendHero
Yes, according to Yoruba traditional/cultural accounts all kingdoms and peoples (including your Nri) sprang out from Ife descended from Ife.

Congratulations to you for conceding the Ooni’s position that Ile-Ife is the dispersal point for all cultures (including the Igbo culture) — and not the other way round.

The Ooni will lay curses on you for uttering such abominable words ,Even the ijebus subgroup of yeroba do not recognize IFE

This place has gone awfully quiet , Helloo!!...... cc Tao11 legendhero

Hellraiser77:
This lunatic, Please show me where it's said that NRI is subordinate to Aro?......See the problem is you yeroba try to understand Igbo Kingship systems with the Simple mind used to understand your extremely simplified and centralised Kingship systems

Nri is a non entity in igboland. You freaks think your Anambra is considered iboland. i laugh at you. Anambra is part of Igala kingdom, part of Bini kingdom. You are a subject of Igala and Benin, you and this your leper Nri. Dont let Abriba or Ohafia hear you compare Aro with Nri. Your head will come off. Arochuckwu people dint play, you need to know your mates in Igboland.

BabaRamota1980:


Nri is a non entity in igboland. You freaks think your Anambra is considered iboland. i laugh at you. Anambra is part of Igala kingdom, part of Bini kingdom. You are a subject of Igala and Benin, you and this your leper Nri. Dont let Abriba or Ohafia hear you compare Aro with Nri. Your head will come off. Arochuckwu people dint play, you need to know your mates in Igboland.

This gibberish you typed can't be replied , Organise your thoughts well, then slowly translate it into writing....Otherwise nothing saperates you from a yabaleft patient

Hellraiser77:
The Ooni will lay curses on you for uttering such abominable words ,Even the ijebus subgroup of yeroba do not recognize IFE

But that’s precisely what the Ooni just said. Why do you suddenly have a problem with the statement?

For emphasis again, Yoruba traditional/cultural accounts regard all kingdoms and peoples (including your Nri) as descended from Ife.

Congratulations to you for conceding the Ooni’s position that Ile-Ife is the dispersal point for all cultures (including the Igbo culture) — and not the other way round. See the attachment again in case you’re in doubt.

Regarding Ijebu, I am of both Ijebu and Awori extraction. Contrary to what inferior ignoramuses like you think, Ijebu is not one kingdom, there are several Ijebu kingdoms including: Ijebu-Igbo, Ijebu-Mushin, Ijebu-Ishiwo, Ijebu-Ososa, Ode-Omi, Ijebu-Ode, Ishagamu, Ikorodu, among several others.

While all the Ijebu kingdoms’ traditional accounts acknowledge Ife as their source (including Ijebu-Ode); the only exception to this admission is the currently reigning Awujale of Ijebu-Ode (Oba S. K. Adetona), and for interesting reasons.

However, many years before the birth of this particular Ijebu-Ode monarch, the traditional account of Ijebu-Ode, which acknowledged its Ife origin had already been captured into written by the indigenous D.O. Epega in the year 1919.

cc: LegendHero, BabaRamota1980

BabaRamota1980 I'm sorry but your brain is not developed enough to have any form of arguement with me, please go to bed

Hellraiser77:
This place has gone awfully quiet , Helloo!!...... cc Tao11 legendhero

Wait, is it true that you couldn’t open that same link (which LegendHero opened) because you use Nri network??

TAO11:
But that’s precisely what the Ooni just said. Why do you suddenly have a problem with the statement?

Regarding Ijebu, I am of both Ijebu and Awori extraction. Contrary to what inferior ignoramuses like you think, Ijebu is not one kingdom, there are several of Ijebu kingdoms including: Ijebu-Igbo, Ijebu-Mushin, Ijebu-Ishiwo, Ijebu-Ososa, Ode-Omi, Ijebu-Ode, Ishagamu, Ikorodu, among several others.

While all the Ijebu kingdoms’ traditional accounts acknowledge Ife as their source (including Ijebu-Ode; the only exception to this admission is the currently reigning Awujale of Ijebu-Ode (Oba S. K. Adetona) for interesting reasons.

However, many years before the birth of this particular Ijebu-Ode monarch, the traditional account of Ijebu-Ode, which acknowledged its Ife origin had already been captured into written by the indigenous D.O. Epega in the year 1919

cc: LegendHero

Here we go again with another round of fact twisting, truth. Bending Dubiousity

please go to the palace of the Awujale and convince him he was wrong....then convince him again to grant an interview recanting his former stance then bring proof to me to consider

I didnt make the claim, he did

Hellraiser77:
BabaRamota1980 I'm sorry but your brain is not developed enough to have any form of arguement with me, please go to bed

It was developed enough when i did not introduce Aro. Once Aro came in you cant deal with it. Aro, thats the authentic Igbo progenitor, the Ngwa stock. Nri is for wawa Igbo.

TAO11:
Wait, is it true that you couldn’t open that same link (which LegendHero opened) because you use Nri network??

There was nothing on the link cos you dubious ass thought we would not bother to check it out

Fraudlent refugee

BabaRamota1980:


It was developed enough when i did not introduce Aro. Once Aro came in you cant deal with it. Aro, thats the authentic Igbo progenitor, the Ngwa stock. Nri is for wawa Igbo.

I won't even attempt to start explaining the intricate events that led to the emergence of the ARO throne Your two kilobyte brain may explode and I would be held for man slaughter

Hellraiser77:
[s]Here we go again with another round of fact twisting, truth. Bending Dubiousity

please go to the palace of the Awujale and convince him he was wrong....then convince him again to grant an interview recanting his former stance then bring proof to me to consider. I didnt make the claim, he did[/s]

No intelligible response as expected.

Moreover, we don’t kick our elders even if they’re mistaken. We are not from Igbo land.

Fifteen years before Oba S.K. Adetona was born, Ijebu-Ode’s extant traditional account (which speaks of the three waves of kingdom-founding migration from Ife) was already captured into writing (during the reign of his predecessor) by D. O. Epega, 1919.

cc: LegendHero, BabaRamota1980

Hellraiser77:
There was nothing on the link cos you dubious ass thought we would not bother to check it out

Fraudlent refugee

LegendHero accessed the same link.

The combined strength of Aro and Nri internet connection is a miserable failure.

Who cursed Igboland??

TAO11:
No intelligible response as expected.

Moreover, we don’t kick our elders even if they’re mistaken. We are not from Igbo land.

Fifteen years before Oba S.K. Adetona was born, Ijebu-Ode’s extant traditional account (which speaks of the three waves of kingdom-founding migration from Ife) was already captured into writing (during the reign of his predecessor) by D. O. Epega, 1919.

cc: LegendHero, BabaRamota1980

I know your understanding of intelligence is Making fraudulent claims and posting dubious links

The Awujale of Ijebu land who I'm sure is old enough to be your grand father made a claim and insisted on it, That Ijebu has no connection with IFE.

You the rat without any atom of respect for the royal stool is attempting a fact twisting and truth bending as Usual

TAO11:
LegendHero accessed the same link.

The combined strength of Aro and Nri internet connection is a miserable failure.

Who cursed Igboland??

Apparently you frauds have your Fraudlent ways I wouldn't know about, I'm clean

TAO11:
cc: LegendHero This desperate Nri liar seeks every opportunity to magnify his ignorance. I have flogged him and expose his ignorance on this particular screenshot yesterday. See below again.

I already mentioned Ryder’s exception in his 1965 hypothesis in which he differed from the consensus of historical scholarship at the time.

However, I also pointed out how he traced back his steps in 1969 to the realistic conclusion of historical scholarship.

What you obviously could never have known in this regard is that even Ryder himself never looked in the direction of Igboland in his 1965 article, rather he was looking in the direction of the Niger-Benue confluence.

In other words, the scholars of precolonial Nigeria history who engaged with this identification all understand the word “east” of this account to be non-literal.

Moreover, the historian Elizabeth Allo Isichei confirmed how Ryder dropped his 1965 solitary and radical view in his 1969 work. Isichei writes:

“It is noteworthy that Ryder, who questioned the Ife connection and argued the case for the linkages with a NORTHERN KINGDOM, abandoned the line of argument in his later book, Benin and the European.”

— Elizabeth A. Isichei, “A History of Nigeria”, Longman (1983), Volume 2, p.137.

Regarding Lawal (1977) on the other hand, he took off from where Ryder 1965 left and added his own unique details — all of which are hypothetical, but nothing in the direction of Igboland. The following are Lawal’s precise words:

“None the less, if it is true that this fifteenth century ‘Ogane’ referred to a Yoruba kingdom further north of Benin or near the middle Niger area, then the only Yoruba kingdom that would seem to have been strong enough during this period to rule Benin would be Old-Oyo .”

— Babatunde Lawal, “The Present State of Art Historical Research in Nigeria: Problems and Possibilities”, Journal of African History, Vol. 18, No. (2). p.211.

It is obvious at this point that you’re caught between a hard rock and a hard place. Lol. But in any case, no scholar identified the Ogane to be an Igbo king — not one scholar. Even your attachment shows Ryder (1965) and Lawal (1977) to be putting forward an hypothetical suggestion — it says: [b]“probably not” modern Ife.

However, what has already been established till date by the body of historical scholarship, on the other hand, is the fact that the Ogane who is described in this account as the most powerful monarch is none other than the Ooni of Ife.

See: Stoll 1902:161-166; Roth 1903:6n1; Marquart 1913:52; Talbot 1926:1:155-156, 281-282, 3:573; Schurhammer 1928:28-30; Bradbury 1964:151, Paula Marti 1960:63, Mauny 1961:182; Akinjogbin 1967:41-43; Ryder 1969: 31; Law 1973:17-19; Willett 1973:137-138; Obayemi 1976:247; Horton 1979; Bondarenko 2003; Akintoye 2010:141-142.

Adam Knobler in as recent as 2016 simply echoed the conclusion reached by all of the above galaxy of scholars in historical scholarship as seen attached below.

Hellraiser, raise hell with this post. Throw a response and cite just one scholar that puts Benin in Nri. Just one abeg. If you no fit then shut up and stop disturbing airwaves with some homeless Nri that is treated as second class authority in iboland.

Hellraiser77:
I know your understanding of intelligence is Making fraudulent claims and posting dubious links

The Awujale of Ijebu land who I'm sure is old enough to be your grand father made a claim and insisted on it, That Ijebu has no connection with IFE.

You the rat without any atom of respect for the royal stool is attempting a fact twisting and truth bending as Usual

Again, I’m not disappointed to receive no intelligent response.

Again, Oba Adetona is the king of only one (of several Ijebu kingdoms) — and that is Ijebu-Ode

Fifteen years before Oba Adetona’s birth, Ijebu-Ode’s extant traditional account (which speaks of the three waves of kingdom-founding migration from Ife) was already captured into writing (during the reign of his predecessor) by D. O. Epega, 1919.

Moreover, unlike in Igboland, Yoruba kings don’t necessarily double as historians.

Hellraiser77:
Apparently you frauds have your Fraudlent ways I wouldn't know about, I'm clean

Haha, the combined Nri and Aro internet speed has been exposed to be 1 centibyte per second.

On Ijebu, again, I’m not disappointed to receive no intelligent response.

Oba Adetona is the king of only one (of several Ijebu kingdoms) — and that is Ijebu-Ode

Fifteen years before Oba Adetona’s birth, Ijebu-Ode’s extant traditional account (which speaks of the three waves of kingdom-founding migration from Ife) was already captured into writing (during the reign of his predecessor) by D. O. Epega, 1919. grin

Moreover, unlike in Igboland, Yoruba kings don’t necessarily double as historians. And we don’t kick our elders even when they’re mistaken. This is not a Igboland.

BabaRamota1980:


Hellraiser, raise hell with this post. Throw a response and cite just one scholar that puts Benin in Nri. Just one abeg. If you no fit then shut up and stop disturbing airwaves with some homeless Nri that is treated as second class authority in iboland.

Incoherent ramblings, "Stop disturbing airwaves"?.Lmao...After a spirited attempt to sound smart you ended up sounding like an illiterate Agbero , please go and sit in one corner