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Re: Are Igbo Jews, The Lost Tribe Of Israel? - CNN by bigfrancis21: 3:10pm On May 29, 2013 |
The case of Ramsey Nouah would be a perfect explanation of the dark-skinned nature of the Igbo Jews. Nouah Snr (Ramsey's father) is a Jewish Caucasian Israelite who married a black Nigerian to give birth to Ramsey who's half jewish, half black (or unarguably half-caste). Half-caste Ramsey further marries a black skinned woman to bear all black progeny. The picture below is the family picture of the Nouah family. Now, the question raised is, does the fact that Ramsey's kids are all black make them any less Jewish? Are we going to dismiss their Jewish ancestry based on their dark skins? The Y chromosome which is handed down directly from father to son (which is the chromosome usually DNA tested for to determine one's paternal ancestry by virtue of this unique father-son passage theory) will be the same from Nouah Snr, Ramsey down to Ramsey's son since the grandfather passed it down to Ramsey who passed it on further to his son, and so on come 100 years after. By virtue of this genetic linkage, Ramsey's son is as Jewish as Nouah Snr. So will Ramsey's 2nd, 3rd, 4th generations (male sons) remain genetically Jewish as their progenitor, Nouah Snr. 1 Like
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Re: Are Igbo Jews, The Lost Tribe Of Israel? - CNN by bokohalal(m): 3:41pm On May 29, 2013 |
bigfrancis21: The case of Ramsey Nouah would be a perfect explanation of the dark-skinned nature of the Igbo Jews. You are very wrong. Only if Ramsey Noah's mother was Jewish will he be. 1 Like |
Re: Are Igbo Jews, The Lost Tribe Of Israel? - CNN by bigfrancis21: 9:14am On May 30, 2013 |
bokohalal: Not necessarily so. Modern liberal Jewish reformists now consider a child born to a Jewish father or mother as Jewish, not necessarily the mother only. Its mostly the conservatives who still base ancestry on matrilineal descent. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_is_a_Jew%3F |
Re: Are Igbo Jews, The Lost Tribe Of Israel? - CNN by bokohalal(m): 10:46am On May 30, 2013 |
bigfrancis21: Liberal Jewish reformists would only consider Ramsey Noah a Jew if he took steps to become one.Presently,he is not. Unlike if he had a Jewish mother. Your so called 'perfect' example of Igbo Jewishness,from this angle,is in tatters. Not to talk of 'to the 4th generation'. |
Re: Are Igbo Jews, The Lost Tribe Of Israel? - CNN by bigfrancis21: 12:10pm On May 30, 2013 |
bokohalal: Ramsey, if he's interested, has to claim his ancestry. Same applies to other descendants of Jewish fathers and non-jewish mothers. I want you to read this statement again: Children born of just one Jewish parent – |
Re: Are Igbo Jews, The Lost Tribe Of Israel? - CNN by bokohalal(m): 12:20pm On May 30, 2013 |
bigfrancis21: What are you asking me to read? Did you see 'if Ramsey Noah took steps to become one? |
Re: Are Igbo Jews, The Lost Tribe Of Israel? - CNN by bigfrancis21: 9:38am On Jun 01, 2013 |
bokohalal: Like I said before, he has to claim it if he wants to. It also applies to the case of Ms. Madeline Albright, a mother of 3 females, who didn't know she's a jew. To be recognized as a jew, she'll have to make steps to claim it. |
Re: Are Igbo Jews, The Lost Tribe Of Israel? - CNN by Malawian(m): 12:49pm On Jun 01, 2013 |
prophesy has it that the jews were meant to be captured and put in slave ships and sold off, my question is, the people sitting in judgement in the promised land today, deciding who is jewish and who isnt, when were they ever put in ships and sold off? 1 Like |
Re: Are Igbo Jews, The Lost Tribe Of Israel? - CNN by Kei144(m): 8:50am On Jun 03, 2013 |
[size=13pt]Is. 11:10 In that day the Root of Jesse will stand as a banner for the peoples; the nations will rally to him, and his place of rest will be glorious. Is. 11:11 In that day the Lord will reach out his hand a second time to reclaim the remnant that is left of his people from Assyria, from Lower Egypt, from Upper Egypt, from Cush, from Elam, from Babylonia, from Hamath and from the islands of the sea. Is. 11:12 He will raise a banner for the nations and gather the exiles of Israel; he will assemble the scattered people of Judah from the four quarters of the earth.[/size] The current Igbo Jewishness awareness and other Jewishness awareness around the world are not just random occurrences or a result of wannabes. Thet are actually indications that a major prophecy fulfillment is upon us. [size=13pt]Mt. 24:31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.[/size] We have seen that the return of Jesus to planet earth is said to be "on the clouds of the sky" and will be accompanied "with power and great glory." In the process of that return, apparently as our Lord descends, He will then send out His angelic company to gather in the Jewish, believing remnant. An Angelic Gathering In Matthew 23:37 Jesus weeps over Jerusalem as He pronounces the AD 70 judgment and declares, "How I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling." Now in chapter 24, this same Jesus is returning after at least a couple thousand years at a future time when Jerusalem is again in peril. But this time the Jews respond positively to the Messiahship of Jesus, so our Lord sends out his angels to gather His elect (saved Jews at the end of the tribulation) from around the world and bring them to Israel, instead of scattering them as in AD 70 (Luke 21:24). Just such a regathering was predicted in the Old Testament. [size=13pt] De. 30:1 When all these blessings and curses I have set before you come upon you and you take them to heart wherever the LORD your God disperses you among the nations, De. 30:2 and when you and your children return to the LORD your God and obey him with all your heart and with all your soul according to everything I command you today, De. 30:3 then the LORD your God will restore your fortunes and have compassion on you and gather you again from all the nations where he scattered you. De. 30:4 Even if you have been banished to the most distant land under the heavens, from there the LORD your God will gather you and bring you back. De. 30:5 He will bring you to the land that belonged to your fathers, and you will take possession of it. He will make you more prosperous and numerous than your fathers. De. 30:6 The LORD your God will circumcise your hearts and the hearts of your descendants, so that you may love him with all your heart and with all your soul, and live. [/size] The only thing missing from the Old Testament that our Lord expands upon in His Discourse is that He will use the agency of angels to bring Jews to Israel, instead of El Al airline as they come and go today from the modern state of Israel. The Deuteronomy passage also provides an answer for why our Lord used the term "elect" in Matthew 24:31 to characterize His people. It is because at this pivotal point in history, the Jews will fulfill the requirements of Deuteronomy 30:2 and will turn "to the Lord your God and obey Him with all your heart and soul according to all that I command you today." This was also our Lord' s own requirement for the second coming in Matthew 23:39. The passage makes great sense with such a futuristic interpretation and is also in harmony with clear Old Testament teaching about Israel and that wonderful day when they will be converted to Messiah and receive in history their long awaited blessing. Fruchtenbaum says, In the New Testament, the final regathering revealed by the Old Testament prophets is summarized in Matthew 24:31 and Mark 13:27. In this passage, Jesus stated that the angels will be involved in the final regathering and they will bring the Jews back into the land. As to locality, the emphasis is on the world-wide regathering. The two passages are a simple summary of all that the prophets had to say about the second facet of Israel's final restoration. The Matthew passage is based on Isaiah 27:12 13 and the Mark passage is based on Deuteronomy 30:4. Its purpose was to make clear that the world-wide regathering predicted by the prophets will be fulfilled only after the second coming. Fruchtenbaum tells us the following: The Matthew passage is a rather simple summary of all that the prophets had to say about the second facet of Israel' s final restoration. Its purpose was to make clear that the world-wide regathering predicted by the prophets will be fulfilled only after the Second Coming. http://www.raptureready.com/featured/ice/AnInterpretationofMatthew24_25_28.html So, there is no need for any DNA test. Igbos will not be going to Israel; angels will gather all Jews (among Igbos, Yorubas, Hausas, Fulanis, Europeans, Asians, africans, Americans, etc., to Israel, when Jesus returns to earth. |
Re: Are Igbo Jews, The Lost Tribe Of Israel? - CNN by Kei144(m): 9:05am On Jun 03, 2013 |
Notice from Deut 30:2 that in order for Israel's final restoration , which includes worldwide regathering of Jews, to take place, Jews must return to the LORD their God and obey him with all their hearts and with all their souls. It is not surprising that prophets around the world are pointing at Nigeria as where the great end-time worldwide revival will kick off. The revival will be spearheaded by Jews (in Nigeria). The primary purpose of this revival is the final restoration of Israel. Gentile Christians will benefit immensely, because they have been grafted into Israel. the revival will prepare the Church for rapture. The great end-time revival is about to commence. People around the world will marvel at what God will use Igbos and other Jews to do. I personally wonder if T. B. Joshua belongs to a small Jewish community I read about that exists in Ondo State. He is definitely championing a revival right now. |
Re: Are Igbo Jews, The Lost Tribe Of Israel? - CNN by UDONGALASI: 11:32am On Aug 27, 2013 |
https://www.facebook.com/UdongalasiFoundation/posts/392576350793959 THE IGBO HEBREW ANALOGY REVISITED (I): There are so many Igbo words that have hebrew/ Aramaic roots, some of them have adjectival and verb roots that are clearly hebrew, while some are corrupted versions of hebrew words.The following examples from my book ''Unmasking the hebrews of West Africa'' are illustrative. 1. The hebrew word for stranger (Zar) was evidently derived from aramaic (zur) which means ' to hide'..giving and idea of 'one who distances himsel'(Etymological wordbook of the old testament, Rotring & Butterwerk,1980) .In Igbo language, related words include zere/ zeru (dodge, avoid, refrain from,),zor/zuruo/zoo (hide, go on tip-toe). 2. The herew word for fermented cake (ashishar) corresponds to achicha (bread) in Igbo language. 3. Hebrew word for letter 'o' (ayin) corresponds to Igbo (anya) for round objects including eye (anya), the disc of the sun(anyanwu), the circular fireplace(anyaoku) and keyhole(anya uzo/anya igodo), the most related neighbouring language, Efik/Ibibio has it as (ayen). 4. The hebrew word for bangle (akhas) was derived from the verb 'ekhes' which means to ''shake'' in Igbo language, the beaded bangle is called ''akha''. 5. the hebrew word for the bee (devhorah) tallies with the Igbo word for wasp (ndevu) often short-formed to evu/ebu. It is noteworthy that the type of bee in palestine, the black bee (apis mellificia syriaca) has the same coloration as the west african wasp. 6. the hebrew word for the wall gecko and members of the lizard family is ''anaquah'' evidently derived from the adjective ''anak'' which means ''long necked''. In Igbo language, we have anika/alika for lizard or lizard-like or skinny. 7. In the hebrew language, the word for 'received' is ''natan'' while it is ''nata'' in Igbo , a name like Nathan or nathaniel would mean ''I have recieved from him(God)''. 8. In the hebrew language, the word 'satan'/ 'shatan' means ''opposer'', similarly, in Igbo words like ''saa''(retort, reply , equalize, redeem,repurchase,reverse) are highly indicative. 9. In hebrew, ''ashaq'' means ''defraud'' while ''shaw'' means ''lie/untruth'', similarly in Igbo, 'ashi/asi' means ''lie/untruth'' ' ashiri/asiri' means ''gossip/ rumour' r 10. In hebrew language, the verb ''nebat'' means '' looked at'' while related words in Igbo include ''neba/nebe'' (look at), lebe/lewe (look at, central highland dialects) 11. the hebrew verb ''zacha'' (purify) is related to ''zachaeus'' (pure one) and zarephat(place of purification), in Igbo, ''zachaa'' means to purify/sweep/filter/dredge, related words include oza(filter net), aziza(broom), nzanza(broom/mop), ozara (swept bare/desert)....I can go on with the more than 100 words I have in my collection. Igbo is a corruption of hebrew especially after the original migrant population mixed up with the local proto-kwa speakers.Certain words I used to explain this phenomenon of the hebrew pidgin include ''akala'' and ''alaka''. 12. In the hebrew language, the word for tree is '' allah'' while ''tree branch'' in igbo varies as ''akala'' and ''alaka''. It is linguistically factual that the affix ''aka'' is of proto-kwa origin, giving an idea of ''appendage''(compare ika in yoruba).Removing the affix fro both ''akala'' and ''alaka'' brings out ''ala'' , the hebrew word for tree.More information on these could be obtained from my books "UNMASKING THE HEBREWS OF WEST AFRICA'' and ''PHILOSOPHICAL FOUNDATIONS OF IGBO NUMEROLOGY''. 3 Likes |
Re: Are Igbo Jews, The Lost Tribe Of Israel? - CNN by Dainfamous: 11:38am On Aug 27, 2013 |
Whatever happens, let it be, whatever is said about you, let it be said. You should consider them as inane as the mirage. If you have renounced or rejected worldly pursuits, how can these worth less matter affect your composure? Do not slacken even for a moment, your effort is finding out your own weakness or faults for correction. Only therein lies real personal upliftment. Take advantage of every moment every opportunity. Time passes quickly and the lost moment never returns. Get on with your work with total self involvement; you will reach your goal. Do not be upset over anything. Have faith not in the capacity of man, but that of G-d. Only the Almighty will show you and lead you on to the noble path. 1 Like |
Re: Are Igbo Jews, The Lost Tribe Of Israel? - CNN by Dainfamous: 11:45am On Aug 27, 2013 |
In Tora we learn that When light pushes away the darkness, eventually another darkness shall come. When the darkness itself is transformed into light, it is a light that no darkness can oppose.Why do the intelligent say that the Igbos are the Jews of Africa? The intelligent like Professor Ali Mazrui-the most published African. Read the piece below: http://odili.net/news/source/2013/aug/15/506.html 2 Likes |
Re: Are Igbo Jews, The Lost Tribe Of Israel? - CNN by natedroid: 10:09pm On Nov 12, 2013 |
UDONGALASI: https://www.facebook.com/UdongalasiFoundation/posts/392576350793959 I am Igbo and Jewish. I have had the honor of passing through a Beit Din and converting to Judaism. I have my certificate of conversion. I can read a Hebrew text fluently and can also speak modern Hebrew to an extend. I tell you, Hausa language is closer to Hebrew than Igbo is. dont base the Jewishness of the Igbos on the ground of language similarities. |
Re: Are Igbo Jews, The Lost Tribe Of Israel? - CNN by Dibiachukwu: 11:33pm On Nov 12, 2013 |
Igbos are not Jewish. They are Hebrew Isrealites . The biblical Israelites are black Americans (Descendants of slaves in America (These are our brothers, we know when they were stolen from us)), Native Indians and Hispanics (Americas,India and Australia). How do I know? They all fit the Deuteronomy 28 curses, pre-given to Israel; if they break the commandments. Deuteronomy 28 46 And they shall be upon thee for a sign and for a wonder, and upon thy seed for ever. And I place a curse on any people that are trying to deceive my people into worshiping devils. In the guise of Judaism. Show me any place where Yanwa gave us a religion. May almighty Yanwa help us all. Chelah |
Re: Are Igbo Jews, The Lost Tribe Of Israel? - CNN by stayreal: 8:52pm On Apr 08, 2015 |
Malawian: Truth. Those people, the fake Jews that are in Israel today and all those Jewish people do not fit the prophesies of the Israelites being captured and sold into slavery on ships. In fact, they funded and profited from the slave trade. Igbos were one of the tribes targeted for the slave trade and just because some of did not make it on the ship with our brothers in America it does not make us any less Israelite because if you believe in reincarnation which is in the Holy Bible, we more that likely served slavery to this evil white, the nation of Edom in one of our past lives. The lie that we have been told by the devilish so-called white man is that we sold our own people into slavery but it is incorrect. We were sold primarily by the Benin Empire when the Kingdom of Nri fell. The original people of the Benin Empire and the Oyo empire fit the prophecy of Tyre/Sidon/Tyrus which is how the Lord refers to the Canaanites in the Bible. He uses original ancient territories of a people to refer to them. It was prophesied in Amos 1 that they would deliver to children of Israel to captivity to Edom (the so-called white man). I am here in the states and there is a big growth of people that are teaching that we are Israelites. Many of these teaching this are black Americans and they know that many of them were taken from Igbo land into slavery. They know that they are Israelites based on the prophecies and they know that their Igbo brethren in West Africa are Israelites. If you go t wear these Hebrew Israelite preach and you say that you are Igbo...they will immediately call you an Israelite. They know that you are not descendants of Ham. They know that Igbos are descendants of Jacob just like they are. |
Re: Are Igbo Jews, The Lost Tribe Of Israel? - CNN by brineted1010: 6:42pm On Jul 12, 2015 |
i think igbos are jews. just look at how the jews are business inclined and how they love money. just like the igbos.lol ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Are Igbo Jews, The Lost Tribe Of Israel? - CNN by mazidavos(m): 8:00pm On Jul 12, 2015 |
on point Rossikk: |
Re: Are Igbo Jews, The Lost Tribe Of Israel? - CNN by Nobody: 8:37pm On Jul 12, 2015 |
donguutti: igbos n Jews share about 7 striking cultural n religious traditions. . . |
Re: Are Igbo Jews, The Lost Tribe Of Israel? - CNN by mauriceju2(m): 9:33pm On Jul 12, 2015 |
I don’t know but Igbo has the same culture with the Jews even before exposure to white men. Hausa’s come from Arabs it is well known even with their demonic character. Yoruba and Benin Republic and Ghana seem to look the same and from the same place and they come from ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Are Igbo Jews, The Lost Tribe Of Israel? - CNN by stevoski059(m): 9:45pm On Jul 12, 2015 |
9icest:is the jewish prof not a human like you, thats his own assertion . |
Re: Are Igbo Jews, The Lost Tribe Of Israel? - CNN by bigfrancis21: 5:40pm On Jul 13, 2015 |
brineted1010: I have had a personal encounter with Jews and their penchant for money is extreme. Everything is all about money to them. |
Re: Are Igbo Jews, The Lost Tribe Of Israel? - CNN by Orikinla(m): 5:55pm On Jul 13, 2015 |
Are we not all children of Abraham through Jesus Christ? |
Re: Are Igbo Jews, The Lost Tribe Of Israel? - CNN by djotoli: 6:16pm On Sep 09, 2015 |
bigfrancis21:otwere is onely in congo brazzaville and they are not from the kongo but congo brazzaville or moyen congo in north congo bzville |
Re: Are Igbo Jews, The Lost Tribe Of Israel? - CNN by Christistruth00: 1:05pm On Sep 01, 2020 |
Igbos are not Jews . Their closest genetic relations are the Yoruba. ( More than 99.9 % relationship.) Get over it. PS : All insults will be transformed into beautiful and eternally glorious life boosting blessings in Jesus name |
Re: Are Igbo Jews, The Lost Tribe Of Israel? - CNN by Christistruth00: 1:09pm On Sep 01, 2020 |
bigfrancis21: I had lots of encounters with othordox Jews. Family not money is what matters to them. Also Othordox Jews never tell lies no matter the situations. They truly believe that the thing that will make them tell a lie is not God's will for them in the first place. Also they ask many questions because it is a good way to learn what you know nothing about. They are very organized and they always speak with one Voice. Their unity is almost completely impossible to break. Their commitment to their Faith is almost unbendable no matter how you argue with them they will not see the Bible from a different point of view , they cannot bend their tradition except for a miracle. No amount of business or money can make them pick a phonecall on Saturday because they do not work on the Sabbath to the extent that on Saturday morning they do not even switch off the lights in their houses because that is considered to be work. The Othordox Jews are the best in the World in looking after their Community. Better than even the British or Americans Indians Chinese even the weakest and most vulnerable among them is never left behind. They are extraordinarily intelligent even the not too educated ones. |
Re: Are Igbo Jews, The Lost Tribe Of Israel? - CNN by sreamsense: 2:28pm On Sep 01, 2020 |
Christistruth00:You really studied them, these are some of qualities I noticed from few ones I came across also. Money is never ultimate to them. Good virtues, honesty, hard-work, orderliness, intelligence and adherence to their jewish religion. Those ones I know never played with Saturday Sabbath, I have keenly monitored them, they never made mistake for one day to the extent that I have to adjust to their timing if I have anything to do with them. You really studied them 1 Like |
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