sarjam05:
It is saddening that so called scholars are the same people who are quick to perform the error of jumping into conclusions.
If you’re as academic and intellectual as you claim I think you should not have blatantly committed the fallacy of appeal to authority and appeal to character.
So because Josephus was not a Christian what he wrote about the history of Christians is true and infallible.
It hurts me that so called enlightened individuals have forgotten the whiles of literature. There’s a word called hyperbole. It is very hard for any individual to write without his own thoughts influencing his writings coupled with exaggerations.
Ryan this. Josephus that. What do you think?
Religion is based on faith and even the most brilliants of minds to ever walk this earth or ever to come would never ever ever have a straight answer to religious questions. There’s a reason they are called metaphysical sciences. You who have written so blatantly have only written from bias and emotions and obligation to a particular faith ie faith in Jesus.
What would a Muslim write? Or do you think a learned Muslim cannot bring up facts through authoritative and revered historians too?
I dare you say NO!
Please understand logic and fallacy before writing as not all Nigerians are gullible.
It would interest you to know Josephus was a Jewish soldier and politician who had numerous fights and conquest with Nero.
Wetin you want make him come write about Nero again? I just tire.
Painting your enemy black while you’re a kettle is an innate nature in man and existed even before this world existed.
Josephus and whomever you quoted there are simple apologetics of whatever they believe in and would obligingly write in support.
Fallacy is a big problem amongst even the greatest of minds. Josephus not being a Christian was not remotely needed in your write up. That’s a clear fallacy

“It is saddening that so called scholars are the same people who are quick to perform the error of jumping into conclusions.”
This is very true. People do make mistakes and that is a TRUTH which can be deduced from the scripture that as human, we are bound to make mistakes, even the smart ones.

“If you’re as academic and intellectual as you claim I think you should not have blatantly committed the fallacy of appeal to authority and appeal to character.
So because Josephus was not a Christian what he wrote about the history of Christians is true and infallible.”
First of all, I don’t see where I claimed to be ‘academic and intellectual’. I don’t know how you jumped to that conclusion of me CLAIMING such. This just proved your first sentence true that humans make mistakes.
Secondly, I didn’t talk about Josephus (or Tacitus) not to talk of appealing to their works. Maybe you wanted to quote the person who picked up the challenge to provide independent sources which confirms the historicity of Jesus, I don’t know.
Thirdly, if your response was actually meant for him, then you are actually made another mistake. Him quoting Tacitus is NEVER an appeal to authority because Tacitus is a hostile witness. It is one of the tool used in historical methods, except you have a better guideline for historical methods which should replace the use of hostile witness. And without committing argument ad populum, historicity of Jesus is a well attested fact among historians and everyone who understands how authenticity of historical sources are determined.

“…even the most brilliants of minds to ever walk this earth or ever to come would never ever ever have a straight answer to religious questions.”
I wished you were more careful while writing this, but looks like you were more driven by emotions than the person you respond to. Not having straight answers to religious questions is a broad generalization because it would be so stupid for anyone to go with what he does not understand AT ALL. The truth is that there are no answers to ALL questions, religion included (not even science is excluded) because we don’t always have the data. But for questions like; “did Jesus ever exist on earth?” the straight answer to that is YES. This falls under a religious question, doesn’t it?
And talking about bias, it is true that everyone has bias because of our paradigm. It is seen in scientific circles also and it is just the reason for disagreement between intellectuals. Though you seem to sound objective, your post still echoes bias and emotions. I definitely agree with you on that.

“Please understand logic and fallacy before writing as not all Nigerians are gullible.
It would interest you to know Josephus was a Jewish soldier and politician who had numerous fights and conquest with Nero.”
If you really understand why Josephus was quoted, you should know that you are the one who is committing non sequitur fallacy. He has no reason to talk about Christ because at the time of writing the works in which he mentioned Christ, he has nothing to do with Christianity and he was working with the Roman government. Again, he wasn’t writing an apologetic work, rather, he was writing the Jewish history and mentioned an event among the Christian which he traced back to the founder – Christ. I don’t see how your argument works here because Josephus can largely be seen as a neutral witness when trying to be generous while Tacitus may be seen as a hostile witness as a Roman Politician.
So sorry sir, your argument does not follow. For you that know about fallacy, I don’t expect that you would make those mistakes.

“Fallacy is a big problem amongst even the greatest of minds. Josephus not being a Christian was not remotely needed in your write up. That’s a clear fallacy.”
Again I agree with the first sentence here but as shown, Josephus was an historian who just mentioned an event in his works and that event happens to attest to the historicity of Christ. That he is not a Christian is necessary to avoid fallacy of appealing to authority but how you missed that is what baffles me. Also, Tacitus was mentioned but you seem to ignore it. As for Ron Wyatt, I don’t go with all his discoveries, especially those that some things do not add up.

Your statement here is very important
“Painting your enemy black while you’re a kettle is an innate nature in man…”

Parisian:
Trash....

How does the nonsense you posted prove that humans came from fish?
Or that a bird can evolve completely to become a dog?

See this is a strawman argument, I would expect such from a child. Bring forth your own explanation for the diversity of species, vestigial organs, genetics and the fossil record. Read you won't read.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climbing_gourami

How could any human have witnessed the bolded when there were no other humans and the only human (Adam) was deep asleep when the incident occurred? Don't you think?

Yet you believe a silly and ridiculous story as actual fact and as a proper explanation for the origin of man. The fact that you believe stories some bronze age herder wrote on camel skin over centuries of research and analysis is baffling.

Sodom and Gomorrah as depicted in the Bible has been found with sulfur everyone just as the Bible said. Go there and see it for yourself doubting Thomas.

Which of the dozens of sites scattered over hundreds of miles is Sodom and Gomorrah? Because no historical writer or modern archaeologist has come to a definitive conclusion to what is most likely another tall tale about a real place.

How possible if that such place exists and 100% matches biblical descriptions...or you'd call that a mere coincidence? LMAO..

Minotaurs are said to come from Crete, Crete is a real place therefore Minotaurs exist. King Arthur and Merlin are from England, England is a real place therefore King Arthur actually had a wizard friend named Merlin who ruled over all of England.

At the depths of the red Sea, the chariots of the king pharoah's men have been unearthed and also dates back to the exact period in history as stated in the Bible...that is a coincidence too?

You mean that fake story about finding chariot wheels?
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/chariot-wheels-found-bottom-red-sea/

The Egyptians meticulously kept records for thousands of years yet none about Moses or Isrealite slaves who killed the bloody Pharaoh.

Who is bankrolling these guys?

Eriokanmi:
Please can you teach me what evolution is?

The inherited changes within an organism over a long period of time due to mutation or as an adaptation to it's environment.

I would suggest a science text book as a good place to start.

Farki:


The inherited changes within an organism over a long period of time due to mutation or as an adaptation to it's environment.

I would suggest a science text book as a good place to start.

im a scientist. I didn't ask you to define evolution. I said teach me.

Eriokanmi:
im a scientist. I didn't ask you to define evolution. I said teach me

A scientist of what discipline? If so you should know this elementary topic.

ospido:


I quite appreciate your commendation.
Sure i know he'll come and rather than read the history evidences presented here he'll begin to throw tantrums.
He's an atheist i believe but if he carefully reads those independent sources he'll be convinced just as others prior to him had.
Thank you once again.
Have you watched the works of Ron Wyatt how he discovered the Noah's Ark in Turkey, Ark of the covenant, The Exodus account and where the Israelites actually crossed the Red Sea, mount Sinai and even Sodom and Gomorrah, even the altar where Aaron and others worshipped the golden calf (which has been sealed off by the Saudi Arabian Authorities?)

You're welcome Sir and God bless you once again.
When mind is sealed up on not following evidence, rather, following one's wish; there's little or nothing that can be done again. Only God can change such hardened mind.

I've seen some of Ron Wyatt's works but some did not really add up. His Exodus account is his best for me and those parts (Mt Sinai) that were sealed off by the Saudis are good reason to believe that he could be true as one has to ask what they are hiding, but Noah's Ark and Ark of Covenant have serious (scientific) challenges which is why I don't fully agree with all his works. In some instance, he went too far in his conclusions such as claiming only one chromosomes for Christ and others.
We don't have all the answers but it just amazing that though few archaeological digs have been made, many have lend credibility to some of the events that are mentioned in the Bible. Reports from those ages did not survive as the Bible has survived but since many artifacts relating to those ages have been found (in most cases just as the Bible describe them because many Ancient Near East kingdoms have been seen to either corrupt or avoid stating events that bring shame to them as Honour and Shame was an important concept in ANE), more understanding of those periods are being known and at the same time, they provide independent source to the Biblical narratives of many of those events

Farki:


A scientist of what discipline? If so you should know this elementary topic.

I need you to teach me how evolution changed gorilla to man later due to adaptation and environmental changes but same doesn't work on gorillas transported from Nigeria to North America centuries ago but remained gorilas dispite the environmental changes and adaptation. Also,
I need you to teach me why slaves ferried across the Atlantic gave birth from one generation up to the 6th one as we have in the present day america but never had pointed nose or light skin in spite of adaptation and environmental changes. I'm waiting

Oh my goodness, you must be super dumb!

Mekenz:
being an atheist or free thinker, for me is the worst feelings anyone should not wished to feel, I rather believe at something at least for a peace of mind.

Eriokanmi:
I need you to teach me how evolution changed gorilla to man later due to adaptation and environmental changes but same doesn't work on gorillas transported from Nigeria to North America centuries ago but remained gorilas dispite the environmental changes and adaptation. Also,
I need you to teach me why slaves ferried across the Atlantic gave birth from one generation up to the 6th one as we have in the present day america but never had pointed nose or light skin in spite of adaptation and environmental changes. I'm waiting

Centuries ago? Is there a large enough population of gorillas in North America to see a significant change in their genetic makeup?

For a clear example the dog below is the same breed after 100 years of humans breeding for specific traits it looks almost unrecognisable.

Concerning your second points majority of white Americans have as much as 25% DNA of African origin but because of the domination phenotype for white skin they look white.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9mtCLL8rI0

Farki:


Centuries ago? Is there a large enough population of gorillas in North America to see a significant change in their genetic makeup?

For a clear example the dog below is the same breed after 100 years of humans breeding for specific traits it looks almost unrecognisable.

Concerning your second points majority of white Americans have as much as 25% DNA of African origin but because of the domination phenotype for white skin they look white.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9mtCLL8rI0

you've not answered my question. Anyway, have a nice day

Farki:


https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/antimicrobial-resistance

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peppered_moth

https://www.britannica.com/science/fossil-record

No single human saw Yahweh remove Adam's rib and create Eve but you still believe. No human knows where the garden of Eden is or if it even existed yet you still believe. Noah's ark is physically impossible and has been proven to not be a stable vessel ironically by Ken Ham himself yet people still believe these Mesopotanian folk tales over things people have tested and studied.

That caught my attention. Even without going to check yet, I know that it is a misinformation. How would one who has dedicated his entire career on proving that Genesis account is to be taken literally and true will now prove that the one of the most important stuff - Noah's flood and Ark is not stable? How did he spend so much resources in producing a replica of that ark if he does not believe it to be stable?
This is from his site. You may do well to check it (not just to rely on one sided story?)
https://answersingenesis.org/creation-vacations/ark-encounter/

About it's stability, there's an excellent work some by staff of the Korea Research Institute of Ships and Engineering, Taejon. This their abstract

"In this study, the safety of Noah’s Ark in the severe environments imposed by waves and winds during the Genesis Flood was investigated. Three major safety parameters—structural safety, overturning stability, and seakeeping quality—were evaluated altogether to assess the safety of the whole system.

The concept of ‘relative safety’, which is defined as the relative superiority in safety compared to other hull forms, was introduced and 12 different hull forms with the same displacement were generated for this purpose. Evaluation of these three safety parameters was performed using analytical tools. Model tests using 1/50 scaled models of a prototype were performed for three typical hull forms in order to validate the theoretical analysis.

Total safety index, defined as the weighted average of three relative safety performances, showed that the Ark had a superior level of safety in high winds and waves compared with the other hull forms studied. The voyage limit of the Ark, estimated on the basis of modern passenger ships, criteria, revealed that it could have navigated through waves higher than 30 metres."
The full work, translated in English is found here
https://creation.com/safety-investigation-of-noahs-ark-in-a-seaway
This is from another independent group of Scientists in where their calculations led them to conclude that the dimension of the ark would allow about 70,000 animals conveniently without capsizing. Here is what one of them said
"You don’t think of the Bible necessarily as a scientifically accurate source of information, so I guess we were quite surprised when we discovered it would work. We’re not proving that it’s true, but the concept would definitely work."
The article is found here
https://www.businessinsider.com/scientists-noahs-arc-would-have-floated-with-70000-animals-if-built-by-dimensions-in-the-bible-2014-4?IR=T

We don't need to allow emotions lead us in making misinformation. There are questions that doesn't have answers but it does not mean that many God haters should resort to lying just to prove their points

ayenale1:
Awesome discovery, still better than the myth that Obatala came from heaven with a rope and a chicken. Lol.

So white man tradition that was forced down into your ancestors throat is better than your tradition, you're stupid!

I was listening a preaching on beat fm this morning and the preacher was trying to prove to listener why they should believe Jesus lived and die for sins of human race and also rose from the grave . She said when jesus christ died,few days later the corps was not found inside the tomb he was buried. And in trying to prove how the story of Jesus was true she said even archeologist testify to the existence of Jesus Christ as his bone was discovered by them. And I ask if truly his body was not found inside the tomb, then how on earth archeologist could have discovered his bones. So many contradiction here and there.

DappaD:


I see you want to deny your own identity now. No wahala it's normal.
Why are you asking me to reread what you wrote—are you scared I caught you by your tongue?
Provide an answer to my question or vamoose!

I dont know you in person but i must commend you for putting that hopeless atheist -kingxsam - on his toes. I noticed he fled from you with the speed of light. I was reading to see him or her do the thinking which you persistently requested rather he ended up blabbing and could not hold his own because of his delusion. You made me feel so good today please keep it. They think everyone is as daft as they are. Regards

Eriokanmi:
you've not answered my question. Anyway, have a nice day

You know, I had to check your questions again and started laughing when I saw his response.
The problem that evolution has is that it has no 'miracle worker' for its miracles. When you talk about adaptation, that clearly is not the core theory of evolution but that is what they always throw at your face. We want to know
1. How the first lifeless chemicals defied the law of biogenesis and formed the first life?
2. The human genome is comprised of 23 pairs of linear chromosomes, and approximately 3000 megabases (Mb) of DNA, while the genome of the bacterium Escherichia coli consists of a single 4.6 Mb circular chromosome. That is a difference of around 2995 mega bases or still 3 × 10⁹. If humans branched out after millions of years in the evolutionary tree, where did the information of that magnitude come from because there is NO KNOWN MECHANISM THAT INCREASES THE INFORMATION CONTENT OF GENOME OF ANY ORGANISM.
3. Again, it has been shown that the information in the human genome is densely stored in 3D. Let’s look at the amount of information that could be contained in a pinhead volume of DNA. If all this information were written into paperback books, it would make a pile of such books 500 times higher than from here to the moon. How could mindless and purposeless chemicals achieve this feat?

Other 'miracles' are there such as NOTHING exploding to create everything and others, but no 'miracle worker' to do such miracles.

MrOjay1:
Let's all join hands in a round of applause as we welcome our resident Nairaland pastor,Evang.Righteousness89,to the podium to tell us the spiritual implication of this discovery.

Hmmmmmmm

Pelecius:

You're welcome Sir and God bless you once again.
When mind is sealed up on not following evidence, rather, following one's wish; there's little or nothing that can be done again. Only God can change such hardened mind.

I've seen some of Ron Wyatt's works but some did not really add up. His Exodus account is his best for me and those parts (Mt Sinai) that were sealed off by the Saudis are good reason to believe that he could be true as one has to ask what they are hiding, but Noah's Ark and Ark of Covenant have serious (scientific) challenges which is why I don't fully agree with all his works. In some instance, he went too far in his conclusions such as claiming only one chromosomes for Christ and others.
We don't have all the answers but it just amazing that though few archaeological digs have been made, many have lend credibility to some of the events that are mentioned in the Bible. Reports from those ages did not survive as the Bible has survived but since many artifacts relating to those ages have been found (in most cases just as the Bible describe them because many Ancient Near East kingdoms have been seen to either corrupt or avoid stating events that bring shame to them as Honour and Shame was an important concept in ANE), more understanding of those periods are being known and at the same time, they provide independent source to the Biblical narratives of many of those events

Thank you my brother for your candour and forthrightness.
I really appreciate even the objectivity of your comment too.

W.r.t Noah's Ark, one question many have asked is what is that massive/giant structure doing up there on top of that mountain?
How did it get there in the first place and then got stocked in the mountain up there?
Did it fall from space or did some persons pushed or dragged it up to that peak?
And indeed many scientists bared their minds on that discovery too pointing to it's authenticity.
If you watch the complete recordings/videos plus the write ups and match them together you'll get a clearer picture.
On the Ark of the covenant,you noticed i didn't include it in my comment obviously because am still studying the research work.
I was in the Ethiopia some years back to get a glimpse of the Ark of the covenant alleged to have been found there but it didn't add up at all.
But this one found by Wyatt contained some facts though am still on it. The more I'm studying it the more it's getting interesting.
On the chromosome thing, i got pissed of at first but when i remembered that Jesus didn't have a human father,the concept began to make some sort of sense. Because the whole thing tilted to his mother's genes only just as it was mentioned in the findings.
True, Wyatt may have gone too far in his description but i think it's a burning zeal
Please find time to watch them alongside other work just as am doing.
After this i'll be going to examine his Sodom's work.
Enjoy your day.

Pelecius:


You know, I had to check your questions again and started laughing when I saw his response.
The problem that evolution has is that it has no 'miracle worker' for its miracles. When you talk about adaptation, that clearly is not the core theory of evolution but that is what they always throw at your face. We want to know
1. How the first lifeless chemicals defied the law of biogenesis and formed the first life?
2. The human genome is comprised of 23 pairs of linear chromosomes, and approximately 3000 megabases (Mb) of DNA, while the genome of the bacterium Escherichia coli consists of a single 4.6 Mb circular chromosome. That is a difference of around 2995 mega bases or still 3 × 10⁹. If humans branched out after millions of years in the evolutionary tree, where did the information of that magnitude come from because there is NO KNOWN MECHANISM THAT INCREASES THE INFORMATION CONTENT OF GENOME OF ANY ORGANISM.
3. Again, it has been shown that the information in the human genome is densely stored in 3D. Let’s look at the amount of information that could be contained in a pinhead volume of DNA. If all this information were written into paperback books, it would make a pile of such books 500 times higher than from here to the moon. How could mindless and purposeless chemicals achieve this feat?

Other 'miracles' are there such as NOTHING exploding to create everything and others, but no 'miracle worker' to do such miracles.

You're an excellent thinker.
Keep it up.
And what was his shallow response?

kingxsamz:

Watch how people display their stupidity on this thread.
These same folks who have refused anything that has to do with millions of years would jump on this to claim that it validates some books about talking snakes and talking donkeys.
What some mofos don't know is that certain stories in the bible are based on real places that were present at the time it was written.. Same way the spiderman movie is based on a location, New York. But sadly, people don't think.

Dats not good,what u did, Insulting ones belief cause it doesn't coincide with yours,If one does it to you too and u call that person stupid,Know u are referring to yourself in the first place

ehinmowo:

Read.

that's how you people run into problems
if you have common sense you will understand what I said
you can see I was the first to comment if I didn't read I would have done that
idiot

kingxsamz:


Alright then.
Do you believe that dinosaurs existed millions of years ago? And the earth is billions of years old?

There are fossils of animals, called dinosaurs that have been found yes.
Their dates are still subject to scientific debates.
And the timeline of the earth being in millions of years is still, scientifically, unproven.

There are many archeaological discoveries that validates many writings in the Bible. From the Dead Sea Scrolls that contained the texts of Moses and discoveries about Judah, the City of Refuge, the Cave of Adullam, etc. Why do you think UNESCO had several world heritage sites in present-day Syria, Iraq and Iran?
That you dont like it doesn't mean that these discoveries are not there.

Pelecius:


That caught my attention. Even without going to check yet, I know that it is a misinformation. How would one who has dedicated his entire career on proving that Genesis account is to be taken literally and true will now prove that the one of the most important stuff - Noah's flood and Ark is not stable? How did he spend so much resources in producing a replica of that ark if he does not believe it to be stable?
This is from his site. You may do well to check it (not just to rely on one sided story?)
https://answersingenesis.org/creation-vacations/ark-encounter/

About it's stability, there's an excellent work some by staff of the Korea Research Institute of Ships and Engineering, Taejon. This their abstract

"In this study, the safety of Noah’s Ark in the severe environments imposed by waves and winds during the Genesis Flood was investigated. Three major safety parameters—structural safety, overturning stability, and seakeeping quality—were evaluated altogether to assess the safety of the whole system.

The concept of ‘relative safety’, which is defined as the relative superiority in safety compared to other hull forms, was introduced and 12 different hull forms with the same displacement were generated for this purpose. Evaluation of these three safety parameters was performed using analytical tools. Model tests using 1/50 scaled models of a prototype were performed for three typical hull forms in order to validate the theoretical analysis.

Total safety index, defined as the weighted average of three relative safety performances, showed that the Ark had a superior level of safety in high winds and waves compared with the other hull forms studied. The voyage limit of the Ark, estimated on the basis of modern passenger ships, criteria, revealed that it could have navigated through waves higher than 30 metres."
The full work, translated in English is found here
https://creation.com/safety-investigation-of-noahs-ark-in-a-seaway
This is from another independent group of Scientists in where their calculations led them to conclude that the dimension of the ark would allow about 70,000 animals conveniently without capsizing. Here is what one of them said
"You don’t think of the Bible necessarily as a scientifically accurate source of information, so I guess we were quite surprised when we discovered it would work. We’re not proving that it’s true, but the concept would definitely work."
The article is found here
https://www.businessinsider.com/scientists-noahs-arc-would-have-floated-with-70000-animals-if-built-by-dimensions-in-the-bible-2014-4?IR=T

We don't need to allow emotions lead us in making misinformation. There are questions that doesn't have answers but it does not mean that many God haters should resort to lying just to prove their points

You are using answers in genesis and creation ministries which are sites dedicated to upholding biblical myths as your idea of an unbiased source.

The ark replica in Kentucky is unable to support itself otherwise it would collapse. Did you not notice the many scaffoldings holding the thing up.

Your so called "research" paper is also full of shit. The shape of the ark (if it even existed) was not given therefore they are just making their own conclusions based on the assumptions that the model they chose is correct.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4OhXQTMOEc

You won't address the rest of the comment but will make a weak attempt to prove a Middle Eastern folk tale as actual history.

obonujoker:


Lol... Ndi Jehovah witness

You are mistaken. Jehovah's Witnesses don't share the belief of the guy you quoted. I don't know how you arrived at that conclusion.
Yes, the Bible chronology is clear that man has been on earth for some 6,000 years since Adam's creation. But the creation of the earth could have been thousands if not billions of years prior to man's creation. Animals were created before humans, that is according to Genesis account. So the advent of animals on earth could have been thousands of years before the creation of man, as the creative days in Genesis account are not to be taken literally, but as epochs.
Please if you want to know about Jehovah's Witnesses beliefs which are clearly in accordance with God's inspired word the Bible, go to www.jw.org you will find thousands of subjects bordering on the subject matter well discussed with reliable authorities and irrefutable Biblical references.

Pelecius:


“It is saddening that so called scholars are the same people who are quick to perform the error of jumping into conclusions.”
This is very true. People do make mistakes and that is a TRUTH which can be deduced from the scripture that as human, we are bound to make mistakes, even the smart ones.

“If you’re as academic and intellectual as you claim I think you should not have blatantly committed the fallacy of appeal to authority and appeal to character.
So because Josephus was not a Christian what he wrote about the history of Christians is true and infallible.”
First of all, I don’t see where I claimed to be ‘academic and intellectual’. I don’t know how you jumped to that conclusion of me CLAIMING such. This just proved your first sentence true that humans make mistakes.
Secondly, I didn’t talk about Josephus (or Tacitus) not to talk of appealing to their works. Maybe you wanted to quote the person who picked up the challenge to provide independent sources which confirms the historicity of Jesus, I don’t know.
Thirdly, if your response was actually meant for him, then you are actually made another mistake. Him quoting Tacitus is NEVER an appeal to authority because Tacitus is a hostile witness. It is one of the tool used in historical methods, except you have a better guideline for historical methods which should replace the use of hostile witness. And without committing argument ad populum, historicity of Jesus is a well attested fact among historians and everyone who understands how authenticity of historical sources are determined.

“…even the most brilliants of minds to ever walk this earth or ever to come would never ever ever have a straight answer to religious questions.”
I wished you were more careful while writing this, but looks like you were more driven by emotions than the person you respond to. Not having straight answers to religious questions is a broad generalization because it would be so stupid for anyone to go with what he does not understand AT ALL. The truth is that there are no answers to ALL questions, religion included (not even science is excluded) because we don’t always have the data. But for questions like; “did Jesus ever exist on earth?” the straight answer to that is YES. This falls under a religious question, doesn’t it?
And talking about bias, it is true that everyone has bias because of our paradigm. It is seen in scientific circles also and it is just the reason for disagreement between intellectuals. Though you seem to sound objective, your post still echoes bias and emotions. I definitely agree with you on that.

“Please understand logic and fallacy before writing as not all Nigerians are gullible.
It would interest you to know Josephus was a Jewish soldier and politician who had numerous fights and conquest with Nero.”
If you really understand why Josephus was quoted, you should know that you are the one who is committing non sequitur fallacy. He has no reason to talk about Christ because at the time of writing the works in which he mentioned Christ, he has nothing to do with Christianity and he was working with the Roman government. Again, he wasn’t writing an apologetic work, rather, he was writing the Jewish history and mentioned an event among the Christian which he traced back to the founder – Christ. I don’t see how your argument works here because Josephus can largely be seen as a neutral witness when trying to be generous while Tacitus may be seen as a hostile witness as a Roman Politician.
So sorry sir, your argument does not follow. For you that know about fallacy, I don’t expect that you would make those mistakes.

“Fallacy is a big problem amongst even the greatest of minds. Josephus not being a Christian was not remotely needed in your write up. That’s a clear fallacy.”
Again I agree with the first sentence here but as shown, Josephus was an historian who just mentioned an event in his works and that event happens to attest to the historicity of Christ. That he is not a Christian is necessary to avoid fallacy of appealing to authority but how you missed that is what baffles me. Also, Tacitus was mentioned but you seem to ignore it. As for Ron Wyatt, I don’t go with all his discoveries, especially those that some things do not add up.

Your statement here is very important
“Painting your enemy black while you’re a kettle is an innate nature in man…”

An Atheist/Evolutionist will always be one.
They said "give us independent sources to prove the authenticity or otherwise of the Bible, Jesus" etc. You have also done such judiciously and he's still blabbing.
Josephus is a renowned historian who wrote about things that happened in the 1st century and beyond.
Or were they expecting an Olatubosun or Chinua Achebe or an Ekwensi to write first before they believe?
Look at the deluge of questions you're throwing at them.
Am yet to see any answer let alone it being reasonable.
There's a reason why God is revealing these things at this time of the end.
More will be revealed.

Coloradowater:
Oh my goodness, you must be super dumb!

spoiled brat, I would have given you a resounding slap if you at my front rubbish.

if you have your own opinions what prevents you from sharing it across? instead of being uncouth, myopic and uncivil.

take away religion from these world, and watch how the whole world will end in chaos, I know you won't understand my statement, because you're feeble minded.

Investnow2017:

You are mistaken. Jehovah's Witnesses don't share the belief of the guy you quoted. I don't know how you arrived at that conclusion.
Yes, the Bible chronology is clear that man has been on earth for some 6,000 years since Adam's creation. But the creation of the earth could have been thousands if not billions of years prior to man's creation. Animals were created before humans, that is according to Genesis account. So the advent of animals on earth could have been thousands of years before the creation of man, as the creative days in Genesis account are not to be taken literally, but as epochs.
Please if you want to know about Jehovah's Witnesses beliefs which are clearly in accordance with God's inspired word the Bible, go to www.jw.org you will find thousands of subjects bordering on the subject matter well discussed with reliable authorities and irrefutable Biblical references.

Don't mind him.
Because millennium was mentioned there oh this must be a Jehovah's witness.

Your analogy is very correct.
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
From this beginning to when man was formed,no one knows how long it took. It must have been thousands or perhaps millions of years.
Jesus even made reference to this time period in John 17:5 where he referred to the bond between him and his father before the world came into existed.
This is in addition to your point that animals were created before man and the days are not to be taken literally.
Thank you brother.

Investnow2017:

I dont know you in person but i must commend you for putting that hopeless atheist -kingxsam - on his toes. I noticed he fled from you with the speed of light. I was reading to see him or her do the thinking which you persistently requested rather he ended up blabbing and could not hold his own because of his delusion. You made me feel so good today please keep it. They think everyone is as daft as they are. Regards

kingxsamz:

You should consider retrospection, sober reflections and meditations.

Exactly my brother...they fail to understand the bible is just a history book and all those places are historical places in Israel, Jerusalem, Babylon etc are just places that existed, nothing evangelical or supernatural about them. Superman in New York, Spiderman in Manhattan, king Kong on the statue of liberty etc...if this comics surfaces in 1000yrs from now, does that mean SUPERMAN, SPIDERMAN and KING-KONG truly existed? of course not! but people don't use their brains when it comes to religion and bible.

kingxsamz:

Watch how people display their stupidity on this thread.
These same folks who have refused anything that has to do with millions of years would jump on this to claim that it validates some books about talking snakes and talking donkeys.
What some mofos don't know is that certain stories in the bible are based on real places that were present at the time it was written.. Same way the spiderman movie is based on a location, New York. But sadly, people don't think.

Image123:


You should consider retrospection, sober reflections and meditations.

You should consider not mentioning me 10 times a day

joelala:
Exactly my brother...they fail to understand the bible is just a history book and all those places are historical places in Israel, Jerusalem, Babylon etc are just places that existed, nothing evangelical or supernatural about them. Superman in New York, Spiderman in Manhattan, king Kong on the statue of liberty etc...if this comics surfaces in 1000yrs from now, does that mean SUPERMAN, SPIDERMAN and KING-KONG truly existed? of course not! but people don't use their brains when it comes to religion and bible.

But sadly, people don't think my brother.