Xmuslim:
you nailed it. But are they ready for the truth. I doubt it

it's only lies that demand your conformity, the truth doesn't care if you deceive yourself.

Xmuslim:
you explain it perfectly. I can't deny the truth. But if I'm in that shoe and I pretend that I am no longer a disbeliever, that would be tantamount to forcing me.

It is like someone pointing a gun at me and telling me I have a choice to either say I'm a Muslim again or get killed. I don't think it is fair one bit .

If this isn't enough for you to doubt Islam, then we must be from a different planet

IF HE PRETENDS TO BE MUSLIM JUST TO AVOID BEING KILLED, IT'S OK.

THE AIM OF SHARI'AH IS MORE PREVENTIVE THAN IT IS PUNITIVE

SOMETHING SIMILAR HAPPENED WHILE THE PROPHET WAS ALIVE. A MUSLIM KILLED AN IDOLATOR DURING A BATTLE WHILE THE LATTER WAS DECLARING THE ISLAMIC CREED(shahadatain) SO AS TO AVOID BEING KILLED.

WHEN THE MATTER GOT TO THE PROPHET HE WAS ANGRY AND DISTURBED THAT A MUSLIM HAD KILLED A MUSLIM.

HE TOLD THE KILLER THAT HE HADN'T BEEN ORDERED TO OPEN UP PEOPLE'S HEART TO SEE WHAT THEY BELIEVE.

AS TO WHETHER THIS IS ENOUGH TO DOUBT ISLAM, I'M HAPPY TO INFORM YOU THAT THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE JUDGEMENT OF ALLAH IN OLDER SCRIPTURES REVEALED BY ALLAH. IT'S EVEN MILDER.

SO IT'S ACTUALLY STRENGTHENED MY FAITH IN ISLAM AND I PRAY THAT IT DOES SO FOR YOU TOO.

Xmuslim:
I haven't studied many religions. I only study the doctrines of abrahamic religions and their scriptures and I found them not convincing. I also looked into the doctrines of Sikhism and Hinduism and similar religion that claim incarnation. The notion of incarnation is not verifiable too.

Thus, I'm not religious at the moment. I will describe myself as an agnostic. I think a perfect God should not need human to worship him which obviously benefit him not. Good conduct and behaviour should be enough to please God.

I find it hard to accept that the ticket to paradise is being an adherents of a particular religion (irrespective of your conduct). I will explain.

Islamic paradise is for people that believe that Allah is God and Muhammad is His final messanger. If one have this believe but have the worst behaviour, he may be punished for a while but he will eventually make it to paradise.

But one that reject Muhammad and his preachings will never be able to escape hell fire even if he's the most good person in terms of behaviour and conduct.

This theory is also found in the majority of the Christian doctrine. The ticket to their heaven is to believe in trinity and that jesus died for your sin..

The more I read your responses, the more convinced I am that you never really understood Islam. Clearly you still don't.

I think a perfect God should not need human to worship him which obviously benefit him not. Good conduct and behaviour should be enough to please God.

I mentioned above. God does not need our worship, If the entire world decided to worship him, It will be of no benefit to Him, If every single oerson on earth decides not to worship him, it'll be of no harm to Him. We worship Him for our own humility. We worship and unseen God so as not to be enslaved by objects. So we can be grounded and not arrogant.

Islamic paradise is for people that believe that Allah is God and Muhammad is His final messanger. If one have this believe but have the worst behaviour, he may be punished for a while but he will eventually make it to paradise.

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Belief in Allah isn't the sole ticket to paradise. You have to balance it with good deeds. It's impossible to call yourself a believer and have a horrible character because we have multiple verses where Allah orders the believers to goodness. You can't claim to believe in Allah and ignore His instructions. A believer must OBEY the command of his Lord. Anyone who trangresses isn't a mu'min( believer) period.

[quote]But one that reject Muhammad and his preachings will never be able to escape hell fire even if he's the most good person in terms of behaviour and conduct.

It might seem unfair and unjust to you, but that's why the Qur'an was revealed; to guide, warn anf give glad tidings. The principal purpose of our creation is to Worship the Creator Q51:56. An integral aspect of this worship is to give charity and be good to every one around you, regardless of their faiths. Allah mentions that those who do good without believing would be rewarded here on earth, but their deeds would not amount to anything on the day of Qiyaamah( I can't remember the chapter and verse at the moment). The Qur'an was revealed to warn and guide us right. The warnings are there for a reason. If someone warned you of a tornado and you choose to ignore the warning, don't complain when you become part of its casualities.

motayoayinde:


IF HE PRETENDS TO BE MUSLIM JUST TO AVOID BEING KILLED, IT'S OK.

THE AIM OF SHARI'AH IS MORE PREVENTIVE THAN IT IS PUNITIVE

SOMETHING SIMILAR HAPPENED WHILE THE PROPHET WAS ALIVE. A MUSLIM KILLED AN IDOLATOR DURING A BATTLE WHILE THE LATTER WAS DECLARING THE ISLAMIC CREED(shahadatain) SO AS TO AVOID BEING KILLED.

WHEN THE MATTER GOT TO THE PROPHET HE WAS ANGRY AND DISTURBED THAT A MUSLIM HAD KILLED A MUSLIM.

HE TOLD THE KILLER THAT HE HADN'T BEEN ORDERED TO OPEN UP PEOPLE'S HEART TO SEE WHAT THEY BELIEVE.

AS TO WHETHER THIS IS ENOUGH TO DOUBT ISLAM, I'M HAPPY TO INFORM YOU THAT THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE JUDGEMENT OF ALLAH IN OLDER SCRIPTURES REVEALED BY ALLAH. IT'S EVEN MILDER.

SO IT'S ACTUALLY STRENGTHENED MY FAITH IN ISLAM AND I PRAY THAT I DOES SO FOR YOU TOO.

Well I don't like such judgement and I expect better from the mighty creator of the universe.

I don't expect a good religion to kill someone that leave the faith or force him to remain in the faith. This is the definition of a CULT

Xmuslim:
you believe Allah will punish you if you don't use hijab right?

And that was all you could bring out from my epistle .

It's not for me to say if Allah would punish those not waering the HIjab. It's not in my capacity to judge. I wear the hijab befause I'm aware that this body doesn't belong to me and I intend to treat it in a way best pleasing to its Creator. One of the best decisions I've ever made .

NeoWanZaeed:



Idiot boi with insane logic...

Since you have renounce Islam.. Why are you still alive?

Laughing

I suppose it would please you to have him killed simply because he does not believe the same way you do.
it's a human nature to want to hurt people for some imaginary reasons or because someone said they should.
You want to see a closet murderer, look to religious People. they murderers just waiting for opportunities. the steeper you are into religion the deeper the traits is in you.

jimmynauty:
Which muslim can show that "WE" in this verse is NOT more than ONE?
who are the others?



Q.23:12

وَلَقَدْ خَلَقْنَا ٱلْإِنسَٰنَ مِن سُلَٰلَةٍ مِّن طِينٍ

And certainly did create man from an extract of clay.
Q.23:13


كِينٍ

Then placed him as a sperm-drop in a firm lodging.

Q.23:14


We means more than one... so










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"WE" HERE IS USED AS PRONOUN OF RESPECT.
ALLAH IS THE MOST HIGH, HE'S ALMIGHTY, HE'S SUPREME.

HE USES EXPRESSIONS WHICH REFLECT HIS GRANDEUR.

THIS EXPRESSION EXISTS IN OUR LANGUAGES.
IF YOU'RE YORUBA YOU'LL UNDERSTAND THIS. ONE PERSON IS ADDRESSED IN THE PLURAL FORM OUT OF RESPECT.

motayoayinde:


IF HE PRETENDS TO BE MUSLIM JUST TO AVOID BEING KILLED, IT'S OK.

THE AIM OF SHARI'AH IS MORE PREVENTIVE THAN IT IS PUNITIVE

SOMETHING SIMILAR HAPPENED WHILE THE PROPHET WAS ALIVE. A MUSLIM KILLED AN IDOLATOR DURING A BATTLE WHILE THE LATTER WAS DECLARING THE ISLAMIC CREED(shahadatain) SO AS TO AVOID BEING KILLED.

WHEN THE MATTER GOT TO THE PROPHET HE WAS ANGRY AND DISTURBED THAT A MUSLIM HAD KILLED A MUSLIM.

HE TOLD THE KILLER THAT HE HADN'T BEEN ORDERED TO OPEN UP PEOPLE'S HEART TO SEE WHAT THEY BELIEVE.

AS TO WHETHER THIS IS ENOUGH TO DOUBT ISLAM, I'M HAPPY TO INFORM YOU THAT THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE JUDGEMENT OF ALLAH IN OLDER SCRIPTURES REVEALED BY ALLAH. IT'S EVEN MILDER.

SO IT'S ACTUALLY STRENGTHENED MY FAITH IN ISLAM AND I PRAY THAT I DOES SO FOR YOU TOO.

I wonder, sister, won't those who had it sterner have the basis to complain about favourism, that their law was rather too difficult?

blackjack21:


I suppose it would please you to have him killed simply because he does not believe the same way you do.
it's a human nature to want to hurt people for some imaginary reasons or because someone said they should.
You want to see a closet murderer, look to religious People. they murderers just waiting for opportunities. the steeper you are into religion the deeper the traits is in you.

Who's this one

I am loving this thread.
Blessings and peace of Allah be with All the Muslims contributing to lighten the Kufars, who seem to know more than their creator.

blackjack21:


I wonder, sister, won't those who had it sterner have the basis to complain about favourism, that their law was rather too difficult?

THEIR JOB IS NOT TO COMPLAIN, IT IS TO ACCEPT THE QUR'AN AS THE LATEST OR IF YOU LIKE, THE REVISED EDITION OF THEIR SCRIPTURES AND ACCEPT IT AS THEY BEEN COMMANDED.

THEIR JOB IS TO BE MUSLIMS.

Akhirastriver:

See mumu ,so in the Quran Allah said mix the element to get this ,or connect this wires to get that ,he only talked abt how he created everything in existence with solid scientific proofs ,let's leave that aside
Major advancement today in science and medicine av foundations from Muslim,
Even mathematics ,optics so much more.
Google those people's work
1.Abu sinna
2.imam aljazari ,came up with gearing system which tractors use today.
And ure talking abt Muslim bringing scientific innovations ,y did u use Nigeria as an example ,ar u happy with the way the country is ?. How much has the government give u during this lockdown?

Your brainwashing has gone too far..
If you are citing those those arabians developing something,, what have you or your islamic scholars of Naija origin done by drawing knowledge from the same book?
Keep meditating on my question..
I understand how you feel by trying to defend the religion of piss at all cost..
I was there too.

mhmsadyq:


Anyways, Haters of Islam will always hate.
For you to understand that verse of the Qur'an, you need to believe in a supreme being first.

Do you believe in any God at all?

I believe in GOD, and that GOD is not allah or jesus.
GBAM!!!

motayoayinde:



ALLAH IS THE MOST HIGH, HE'S ALMIGHTY, HE'S SUPREME.

HE USES EXPRESSIONS WHICH REFLECT HIS GRANDEUR.

THIS EXPRESSION EXISTS IN OUR LANGUAGES.
IF YOU'RE YORUBA YOU'LL UNDERSTAND THIS. ONE PERSON IS ADDRESSED IN THE PLURAL FORM OUT OF RESPECT.

"WE" HERE IS USED AS PRONOUN OF RESPECT.

Is there any thing as above? Site examples?

NeoWanZaeed:



So you believe religion is a tool to control humans right?

You did not know?

Xmuslim or what do you call yourself .
They devil has succeeded in brainwashing you as you are typing he is busy laughing at you. .
Well you still have chance don't allow your self to be engulf in the party of shayadins.
May Allah make me die as a Muslim.

In Islam when they sa kallalahu kala rasul we obey without allowing devil to play table tennis with our thinking

k4kenny:


And that was all you could bring out from my epistle .

It's not for me to say if Allah would punish those not waering the HIjab. It's not in my capacity to judge. I wear the hijab befause I'm aware that this body doesn't belong to me and I intend to treat it in a way best pleasing to its Creator. One of the best decisions I've ever made .

lol! OK. Open your mind sha. What if I tell the origin of hijab from Qur'an and hadith. It is very different from the way your scholars packaged it for you.

Lest I fgt. It's because of the wrath of Allah that you use hijab. Admit the fact, don't avoid it

k4kenny:


And that was all you could bring out from my epistle .

don't take offence with my choice of words please. I only picked one point from your epistle because your response shows your little Islamic knowledge and it will be unfair if I engage you head on. For example, you claimed that jihad is only prescribed as a defensive means but learned scholars knows that offensive jihad is in Islam....

motayoayinde:
Dr MAURICE BUCAILLE IS THE AUTHOR OF ONE OF THE MOST FANTASTIC ISLAMIC BOOKS EVER WRITTEN.

THE BOOK IS TITLED "THE BIBLE, THE QUR'AN AND SCIENCE"

IT INVESTIGATES THE SCIENTIFIC FACTS OF THE QUR'AN AND COMPARES WITH THE BIBLE .
IT'S A MUST READ.

How can I get this book my brother.

Very much interested in reading

DoctorAbk:
Xmuslim or what do you call yourself .
They devil has succeeded in brainwashing you as you are typing he is busy laughing at you. .
Well you still have chance don't allow your self to be engulf in the party of shayadins.
May Allah make me die as a Muslim.

In Islam when they sa kallalahu kala rasul we obey without allowing devil to play table tennis with our thinking

Well I trust my brain more than you believe in the imaginary devil. If something doesn't make sense, I can't accept it. It is that simple.

I'm not a zombie that just obey without questioning. My belief must be logically proven correct. I stopped being a Muslim the moment I couldn't logically defend some stuffs in my religion

Praktikals:
Why will any right thinking human being convert into islam?

Why would a right thinking human being not convert to ISLAM??

It may interest you guys to know that I was the ameer of my departmental MSSN in my undergraduate. I was also one of the core member of the main MSSN body in the university. I was the ameer of the MCAN of the local government where I served during my NYSC. I don't need your validation but my point is I know Islam more than an average Muslim.

Aegerine:



How can I get this book my brother.

Very much interested in reading

I have read the book when I was a Muslim and it was a very good book. But the book undermine Hadiths and claimed that Hadiths are unscientific.

Well, learned Muslims have moved on because of the fallacy in the claim of the scientific miracles in the Qur'an. Snap out of it


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyf4gecrY8c

Informed Muslim preachers have moved away from the scientific miracles claim of the Qur'an, but my people on nairaland are living in the past. Knowledge is power

CHOPbeating:


I believe in GOD, and that GOD is not allah or jesus.
GBAM!!!

Why is dont we all believe like you?

Xmuslim:
I have read the book when I was a Muslim and it was a very good book. But the book undermine Hadiths and claimed that Hadiths are unscientific.

Well, learned Muslims have moved on because of the fallacy in the claim of the scientific miracles in the Qur'an. Snap out of it


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyf4gecrY8c

Thank you for your kind response.

Can you kindly point at a scientific point of the Qur'an that is inconsistent with reality?

Let's engage.

mamaafrik:
I am from SW Nigeria and i have Muslims as cousins,friends abd neighbor and i can tell you that more than 60℅ of the he Alfas i have encountered searches the Bible and more than 40℅ of them possess The Holy Bible,and i have seen around 70℅ Muslims claim that the Holy is adulterated and not Divinely written unlike the Quran(some even say the Quran was written by God himself and droppes down) and 95℅ of Muslims said that they don't believe in Trinity ,Jesus Christ death , resurrection and his Messianic Gospel.
Can a Muslim enlighten me why this is so??
Why You say a book is adulterated but a large chunk of the Alfas and members still read
and possess it(When i mean a muslim i mean a Muslim who knows his Onions)

let me first reply u based on logic u used little fraction to judge the entire Muslim world that all Alfa have d bible. Secondly acknowledgeable Muslim will never discredit d bible because we where thought bible was given to prophet issa who came before prophet Muhammad, what they wanted to say was that the Bible has been altered which is actually true forget about the excuse given as Old Testament n New Testament.lastly Islam teaches that seeking knowledge is one of the major responsibilities of a Muslim. My advice to u bro is pls don’t argue religion like I have seen some people doing here it only show the level of ignorance out there.

Xmuslim:
It may interest you guys to know that I was the ameer of my departmental MSSN in my undergraduate. I was also one of the core member of the main MSSN body in the university. I was the ameer of the MCAN of the local government where I served during my NYSC. I don't need your validation but my point is I know Islam more than an average Muslim.

Ameer? So?
Anyways, i dont think any Muslim needs your validation either...

k4kenny:


The more I read your responses, the more convinced I am that you never really understood Islam. Clearly you still don't.

.

lol

k4kenny:



I mentioned above. God does not need our worship, If the entire world decided to worship him, It will be of no benefit to Him, If every single oerson on earth decides not to worship him, it'll be of no harm to Him. We worship Him for our own humility. We worship and unseen God so as not to be enslaved by objects. So we can be grounded and not arrogant.


.

I bet you don't see the flaw in your write up . It's like saying I don't need your worship because it doesn't benefit me, but if you don't worship me I will punish you. If that make sense to you, I wonder which specie you belong to

k4kenny:


It might seem unfair and unjust to you, but that's why the Qur'an was revealed; to guide, warn anf give glad tidings. The principal purpose of our creation is to Worship the Creator Q51:56. An integral aspect of this worship is to give charity and be good to every one around you, regardless of their faiths. Allah mentions that those who do good without believing would be rewarded here on earth, but their deeds would not amount to anything on the day of Qiyaamah( I can't remember the chapter and verse at the moment). The Qur'an was revealed to warn and guide us right. The warnings are there for a reason. If someone warned you of a tornado and you choose to ignore the warning, don't complain when you become part of its casualities.

It's easy for you to say quran was revealed to guide human because you were probably born into Islamic family. Tell me what chance does soneone born into another have.

Secondly, Islamic god is so unfair that he will reward non Muslim in the temporary dunya, but Muslim in the everlasting akhira. And you think that make sense. If you know what I know, you will hate those that indoctrinated you.

[quote author=motayoayinde post=93630638]Dr MAURICE BUCAILLE IS THE AUTHOR OF ONE OF THE MOST FANTASTIC ISLAMIC BOOKS EVER WRITTEN.

THE BOOK IS TITLED "THE BIBLE, THE QUR'AN AND SCIENCE"

IT INVESTIGATES THE SCIENTIFIC FACTS OF THE QUR'AN AND COMPARES WITH THE BIBLE .
IT'S A MUST READ.A
Alhamdullah

[quote author=Sani6110 post=93815253][/quote]

IT ONCE DID, FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS IF NOT A THOUSAND.