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Re: Total, Forte, Conoil,oando, Mobil1 And MRS Synthetics Oils by connkg(m): 12:49am On Dec 08, 2019 |
@lubehouse9ja Thank you, too. |
Re: Total, Forte, Conoil,oando, Mobil1 And MRS Synthetics Oils by radautoworks: 7:54am On Dec 08, 2019 |
connkg: Touche! 1 Like |
Re: Total, Forte, Conoil,oando, Mobil1 And MRS Synthetics Oils by grudges: 1:17pm On Dec 08, 2019 |
Does total has 5w-20, nd how much is it |
Re: Total, Forte, Conoil,oando, Mobil1 And MRS Synthetics Oils by sooperrescue(m): 3:28pm On Dec 08, 2019 |
grudges:No, they don't have but I was told it should be in the country this December |
Re: Total, Forte, Conoil,oando, Mobil1 And MRS Synthetics Oils by grudges: 2:36pm On Dec 09, 2019 |
sooperrescue:Ok thanks |
Re: Total, Forte, Conoil,oando, Mobil1 And MRS Synthetics Oils by timenamoney: 2:42pm On Oct 10, 2020 |
I have been reading this topic from start and have learned more AND come to the conclusion that 1) those saying that 20w50 ( 20w which range from -7 degree ) will damage an engine used in Nigeria where our morning temperature in raining season is hardly below +21 degree are not literate, and for these saying 50w at operating temperature will be too thick for a Camry that is use for transportation in a state that has +42 degree outside temperature = talking rubbish, the manual says 5w30 is for Cold temperature (-0,-1,-2,-3,-4,-5,-6,-7,-8,-9,etc ) which we don't experience in Nigeria and should not be necessary , the manual clearly say 30w according to the oil chart is conducive for up to +38 degree ambient temperature range only (out side temperature ) WHICH MEANS IT will not be ok for a +42 or higher temperature which WILL need a 40w or 50 weight engine oil, I use 10w30 in my engine because the temperature in Port Harcourt can not exceed +38 degree not because 20w50 is bad , wrong or too thick ,50w may expect low mpg at +30 degree and below but get better mpg at +43 and higher temp , telling people not to use 20w50 in +43 degree ambient temperature is misleading and against the manufacturer oil chart recommendation 2) 80% of cars in Nigeria don't use themostat and have their fans running continuesly , which means their oils don't reach operating Temp and can't remove moisture etc, also resulting in open loop operation and have effect on their engine , not because the oil is 20w50 3) what we should be discussing is API rating for cars type or year and tested quality not viscosity in Nigeria ,I used 20w50 mobil from 2010 to 2019 without issues in an API sj Camry, but switched to 10w30 because Port Harcourt hardly reach +30 degree and +38 is the redline for 30w oils IN THAT CAR according to the manufacturer , I will never use 10w30 at +43 degree ambient temperature, 40w ,50w will perform better 4) ADVISE USE RECOMMENDED API RATING OR BACKWARD CONPACTABLE ONE IF U WANT TO USE 20W50 ,USE SYNTHETIC OR SEMI SYNTHETIC BECAUSE IT FLOW BETTER THAN MINERAL OR CONVERSATION OIL USING A LOWER API RATING MAY EFFECT YOUR CAR DON'T MIND ALL THESE SO CALLED OIL EXPERTS OR SELLERS SINGING 5W30 THAT CAN NOT READ A COMMON CAR OIL CHART WITHOUT ANY BAD RESULT ( UOA ) FROM 20W50 OF CORRECT API RATING CHEERS 3 Likes |
Re: Total, Forte, Conoil,oando, Mobil1 And MRS Synthetics Oils by dollarnaira: 5:40pm On Oct 10, 2020 |
timenamoney: You just summarized the whole thread. True to the above. I said it too that it is all about temperature of a country or environment. Well, like u said API is d real thing. Most guys are here to sell foreign oil. 1 Like |
Re: Total, Forte, Conoil,oando, Mobil1 And MRS Synthetics Oils by radautoworks: 6:32pm On Oct 10, 2020 |
dollarnaira: I am still waiting for the answer whether Nigeria is hotter than the middle east where they use the said oils. 3 Likes |
Re: Total, Forte, Conoil,oando, Mobil1 And MRS Synthetics Oils by dollarnaira: 7:14pm On Oct 10, 2020 |
radautoworks: Every car manual gives a range 1 Like |
Re: Total, Forte, Conoil,oando, Mobil1 And MRS Synthetics Oils by radautoworks: 8:38pm On Oct 10, 2020 |
dollarnaira: I'm not sure how that answers my question... 1 Like |
Re: Total, Forte, Conoil,oando, Mobil1 And MRS Synthetics Oils by dollarnaira: 8:43pm On Oct 10, 2020 |
radautoworks: Must I? |
Re: Total, Forte, Conoil,oando, Mobil1 And MRS Synthetics Oils by Ikenna351(m): 9:20pm On Oct 10, 2020 |
radautoworks: It makes it easier once you understand you can't save every man in some situations. The best you can do is advise your loved ones, people you care about or someone that really cares for his/her wellbeing to avoid buying Nigerian used vehicles, if he/she can afford to financially. Lion King - Monk. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Total, Forte, Conoil,oando, Mobil1 And MRS Synthetics Oils by radautoworks: 11:17pm On Oct 10, 2020 |
dollarnaira: If you choose to reply me I don't see why not? 2 Likes |
Re: Total, Forte, Conoil,oando, Mobil1 And MRS Synthetics Oils by timenamoney: 11:23pm On Oct 10, 2020 |
dollarnaira: a car manufacturer tell you that 5w30 api sj is suitable for up to +38 degree ambient (outside temperature) in the car manual oil chart ,and u leave in a state that get +43 by noon or so, 20w40 is ur best choice and if you use this car to transport loads in severe condition at +43 or higher Temp 20w50 synthetic should be your choice except the car manufacturer (or oil manufacturer ) come out to say if u use 5w30 API sn or newer (instead of API sj )it can withstand temperature of +45 degree or higher , which is unlikely the case it's funny to hear someone ask if Nigeria is hotter than middle East, that question is OBVIOUSLY ABSOLUTE and has nothing to do with the car manufacturer owners manual oil chart , that the point , has Nigeria ever experience -0,-5,-9 ?=NO ,why do we need 5w at startup =unnecessary , what's is the highest ambient temperature fo 30w =+38 , is 30w suitable for +45 above = no , simple ABCD I think someone have to prove to me that this engine oil backward CONPACTABLE ideology is recommended ( sn instead of sj) because the manufacturer actually tested the engine and approved sj ,there is nothing that beneficial using a newer oil( make we know where our wahala dey come from ooo ), STICK WITH THE PARTICULAR OILS IN YOUR MANUAL |
Re: Total, Forte, Conoil,oando, Mobil1 And MRS Synthetics Oils by timenamoney: 11:26pm On Oct 10, 2020 |
radautoworks:it's funny to hear you ask if Nigeria is hotter than middle East, that question is OBVIOUSLY ABSOLUTE and has nothing to do with the car manufacturer owners manual oil chart , that the point , has Nigeria ever experience -0,-5,-9 ?=NO ,why do we need 5w at startup =unnecessary , what's is the highest ambient temperature fo 30w =+38 , is 30w suitable for +45 above = no , simple ABCD am writing out of experience |
Re: Total, Forte, Conoil,oando, Mobil1 And MRS Synthetics Oils by timenamoney: 11:32pm On Oct 10, 2020 |
dollarnaira: dollarnaira:NO, YOU MAY LOL |
Re: Total, Forte, Conoil,oando, Mobil1 And MRS Synthetics Oils by timenamoney: 11:57pm On Oct 10, 2020 |
Ikenna351:u see i have learned a lot from you about cars WITHOUT you knowing but u see this issue about viscositys that a car manufacturer state clearly in their chart and even wrote that thick helps to lubricate engine properly in hotter climate or severe condition but unsuitable for lower temp which we don't have , I didn't concor |
Re: Total, Forte, Conoil,oando, Mobil1 And MRS Synthetics Oils by timenamoney: 12:22am On Oct 11, 2020 |
radautoworks:1)look at charts closely, it says 5w30 is best for Cold weather, do we have cold weather?=NO 2) look at the OIL ambient temperature diagram chart closely and prove me wrong, it shows that 5w30 API sj maximum temperature operating level is +38 not +45 or higher did Toyota ever tell you that 5w30 API sn or newer can withstand +45 degree or higher (instead of+38 degree for sj?=no my dear think harder Toyota never suggested one particular viscosity for thier car , if na lie ask gov nwike lol 1 Like |
Re: Total, Forte, Conoil,oando, Mobil1 And MRS Synthetics Oils by radautoworks: 12:32am On Oct 11, 2020 |
timenamoney: Hmmm... But they use manufacturer spec 5w30 for "cold weather" in the middle east and don't change engine upandan like in Nigeria. What do I know, maybe their car God is mightier than our own. Let me just drop this here because me I don't know how to type repete https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/motor-oil-101/ https://www.aa1car.com/library/motor_oil_605.htm
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Re: Total, Forte, Conoil,oando, Mobil1 And MRS Synthetics Oils by timenamoney: 7:09am On Oct 11, 2020 |
radautoworks:1) look closely the chart you posted is not in degree Celsius °C , it is in degrees Fahrenheit °F ,100 °F degrees Fahrenheit is equivalent to +38 °c degree Celsius simple , check other charts in this trend with Celsius and Fahrenheit to compare ,and post it for me my phone has issues to upload pictures 2) most of them don't believe in God, they mostly believe in science and science says use your car manufacturer oil chart ,and the chart say 20w lowest range is -7 and 9ja has +22 minimum temp , u see the distance , the reasons for lower viscosity oil is because 90% of engine wear is at startup , infact we don't have cold start in 9ja 3)you may use sj 5w30 at +38 degree or lower not higher temp , using 5w30 at +45 may work but will increase wear and tear in your engine , I didn't know if newer oils can withstand higher temp but sj 5w30 can not according to the chart 4) any comments? can someone help me with Camry oil chart diagram remember time na money |
Re: Total, Forte, Conoil,oando, Mobil1 And MRS Synthetics Oils by NobleEngineer(m): 7:43am On Oct 11, 2020 |
timenamoney: my naija ppu, our defender don finally show!!! now we can continue using our 20w50 in peace.... ahahhaahh 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Total, Forte, Conoil,oando, Mobil1 And MRS Synthetics Oils by timenamoney: 7:54am On Oct 11, 2020 |
NobleEngineer:try use correct API rating oo especially semi or synthetic one for better FLOW if you leave below +38 degree try use 10w30 ,you go gain better MPG (fuel economy), but u see 20w50 no go ever spoil your car engine , except say na fake oil u use, no buy for road again the only better things be say 5w30 dey always come for synthetic and e dey stable well well remember time na money 2 Likes |
Re: Total, Forte, Conoil,oando, Mobil1 And MRS Synthetics Oils by timenamoney: 8:35am On Oct 11, 2020 |
ironheart:my brother may God bless you for understanding this simple chart diagram you presented your mama school fee no lost at all make una leave wetin them write for motor enter motor jor the worse be say ,them say e too thick e go condem your engine , chai where oyebo write that kind thing foro manual , except u use thick one for Cold weather, na raining season we get for 9ja na +20 lowest where we should concentrate our enlightenment is , 1) making sure engine and oil reach operating Temp by using themostat( or without themostat but don't allow your fan to blow continuesly, by disconnecting the factory, so fan work with coolant temperature sensor settings, so that oil can reach operating Temp on the long run to remove moisture ect ) 2) API rating sj , sl , sm , sn etc 3) oil change intervals ( 3k mile for minerals oils , 5k for SEMI SYNTHETIC , 7k for synthetic ) which 80% of mechanics and Nigerian owners don't know really excit , including my mechanic ,he dont even know what OBD or check engine means 4) checking oil level always remember time na money 1 Like |
Re: Total, Forte, Conoil,oando, Mobil1 And MRS Synthetics Oils by ironheart(m): 2:21pm On Oct 11, 2020 |
timenamoney:yea, thermostat, API are very important. Same with oil change intervals |
Re: Total, Forte, Conoil,oando, Mobil1 And MRS Synthetics Oils by radautoworks: 3:17pm On Oct 11, 2020 |
timenamoney: 2 Likes
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Re: Total, Forte, Conoil,oando, Mobil1 And MRS Synthetics Oils by sooperrescue(m): 5:27pm On Oct 11, 2020 |
5w30 API Sl engine oil for Toyota ended for the model of 2007/8 and from there. they recommended 5w20 or 0w20. Honda has been using 5w20 longer before Toyota did. Our number one problem here is the use of substandard engine oils on our vehicles. Mineral oil does not cause sludge if regularly serviced but there are a lot of negative effects associated with the engine oil being used by ignoring the advice of the manufacturer. The outside temperature does not determine the type of oil a car should use but the oil is factored to the design of the engine. Until recently, all 20w50 oils were API Sl until Mobil introduced xhp API SN. Cepsa was being adulterated because it was an API SN and an 20w50. All cars being used in Nigeria will surely be destroyed by the manner of usage but the time of its destruction lies in the owner's negligence or ability to maintain it. 1 Like |
Re: Total, Forte, Conoil,oando, Mobil1 And MRS Synthetics Oils by theoilguy: 6:36am On Oct 12, 2020 |
sooperrescue: Scammer mechanic, where is my money? Anybody who transacts with you is at risk... Everyone beware.. this guy is a thief 1 Like |
Re: Total, Forte, Conoil,oando, Mobil1 And MRS Synthetics Oils by timenamoney: 5:16pm On Oct 13, 2020 |
sooperrescue:I am here to learn and to share my thoughts and experience many in this trend are saying our ambient +43 degree temps don't matter and have no effect on oil, that car with radiator regulates engine temperature and also help to bring the engine oil up to operating Temp 100 degree through the help of the themostat , asking if our weather is hotter than engine temperature 100degr there's is also a clear statement by oil manufacturer saying in 5w30 , 5w is the low temperature weight while 30w is the oil weight in 100 degree , which is also the engine coolant temp range, on different occasions during summer , you find out that oil temperature gauge move above 100 degree , (which you claim the oil get to 30w at operating Temp) to +44 ,+46 and above . my question is.... 1)what viscosity will 30w oil be in 106 degree engine oil temperature during summer ? ( = it will be lower than 30w VISCOSITY which will not lubricate the engine properly and course more wear and tear). 2) why does engine manufacturer display ambient temperature oil chart which shows that 30w arrows to +38 degree and BELOW , when they know that it is suitable for ALL temperature? with the above ideology I wish to prove to you that 40w mostly or 50w oils may be the best choice for +44 or higher temperature and severe load condition, and will not harm our engine, (and 30w for state's with +38 and below temperature ) the only disadvantage is less fuel economy , but with synthetic, flow will be better. pls guys what is your engine oil temperature gauge reading during hot summer REMEMBER TIME NA MONEY 2 Likes |
Re: Total, Forte, Conoil,oando, Mobil1 And MRS Synthetics Oils by sooperrescue(m): 8:19pm On Oct 14, 2020 |
timenamoney:You have asked a fundamental question. Not all 5w30 are suitable for all cars. Range Rover stated in one of its manual that 5w30 is recommended for the 06-09 cars but they stated that there are engine oils that can cool down the temperature of the engine ànd it will never exceed 50 degrees. The engine oil is a coolant dispersing heat and dirt away from the engine while the cooling system also does its own work by ensuring that the temperature is brought lower in order for the engine to remain in a cool state. If you have noticed, there are cars that are found mixing oil and water. There are also cars that have engine clatter when you start the car in the morning. A simple fix is to repent from using your recommended oil and listen to the manufacturer. Engine clatter can be resolved when you use the recommended oil and without bothering with the camshaft like most people are wont to do. If you choose to use the oil that is making our used cars to look like junks, don't worry, we the mechanics will gladly welcome your car. 1 Like |
Re: Total, Forte, Conoil,oando, Mobil1 And MRS Synthetics Oils by heykims(m): 10:14pm On Oct 14, 2020 |
Thanks so much for the enlightenment guys. So judging from ur analysis, what oil specification would u recommend for a Toyota camry 2005 being used in Lagos? Mind u, I presently have 20w50 there (synthetic), the dealer used that to service it as the car recently arrived. Guys on nairaland have scared the hell out of me telling to go drain or and use the 5w30 recommended which I planned doing in few weeks time until I came across this thread. I also crave for good fuel economy. Moreso, what does APL, XHP, GSX etc mean and which one will be most suitable for my car? |
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