Kobojunkie:
I only repeated what you said as far as their sins are concerned.
Are you suggesting then that God was wrong for punishing Adam then, since Adam did believe in God, only he disobeyed God. Is God wrong for swearing on His name that only the soul that sins will die, in Ezekiel 18?
You lost me when you claimed that they could not obey the commandments and so had to carry out the sin/cleansing rituals, which as it turns out, are themselves part of the commandments in the same Old Covenant.

Thattallgirl:
And like I told others previously, yes we need to obey all the commandments. I only said we can only obey His commandments perfectly through Jesus. He alone make us perfect and righteous in God's eyes.

GeneralDae:

What do you mean by obeying the commandments through jesus? Jesus has given us principles and commandments to obey if we want to do the will of God. Anyone who is willing to obey the commandment is already in jesus.

Thattallgirl:
So you're saying since you've been a Christian, you've obeyed all the commandments perfectly? Not sinned once?

GeneralDae:

What is important here is desiring to do the will of God, if you desire that then the spirit of christ would come to you to show you the way to God and christ, he would help you along the way, but the decision and willingness to keep the commandments lie in you.
The commandments of jesus are not impossible to keep, they were given so they can be kept else why would christ waste his time teaching them in the first place.

GeneralDae:
Thattallgirl God has given us the teachings of jesus and the Holyspirit to boost in order for us to strive to live out those teachings of the kingdom of God. These include the beautitudes ( Matthew 5) and several other teachings scattered throughout the gospels. Jesus wants you to obey his teachings and he knows that you can obey them

"Why do you call me lord, lord, and not do what I say";

Thattallgirl:
Hey, I didn't write the Bible. I'm only quoting what was written that Abraham believed God and it was credited to him as righteousness.

Thattallgirl:
And when Adam sinned, God couldn't behold sin and sent Adam out of His presence.

Thattallgirl:
Even as Abraham was righteous in God's eyes, He still couldn't be as close to God (physically) as Adam was before he sinned. The sin offering isn't the type of commandments that every person must follow. Only those who sinned needed to follow it, which was EVERYBODY. As for the sin offering, pls read the Bible verse I quoted, I didn't write the Bible. You need to read it yourself cos it clearly shows that the only way the Israelites were righteous in God's eyes was if they performed the sin offering...and pls what is sin offering? It is what they had to perform to be righteous...I really can't believe you dunno this. Even in Sunday school sef, or rather ask anyone, check your Bible too... Israelites depended on the blood of animals for the forgiveness of their sins.

Thattallgirl:
They wouldn't need to do that if they were already righteous.

Thattallgirl:
It's the same way right now, we are to depend on the blood of Jesus to be righteous in God's eyes. Only THROUGH JESUS can we obey ALL of God's commandments without struggling.

Thattallgirl:
I think I have explained this exactly as I read it in the Bible. I dunno why you're taking one part of the Bible and ignoring the others. We all learn every day. No one is fully grown in the knowledgeable of Christ.
If u feel you're righteous cos u can successfully obey the commandments on your own without the help of Jesus, THE HELPER himself, then I wish u the best in your knowledge. Cos to u, you know all, and even the Bible passages that are written in English isn't still enough to make u understand.

Thattallgirl:
Sigh, and like I asked u earlier, can u successfully obey all the commandments yourself?

Thattallgirl:
Lol u didn't answer my question. That aside, the willingness to obey His commandments starts with "I receive Jesus as my personal Lord and Savior. He's the one to guide me and write His laws in my hearts" cos as easy as the commandments are, no one can fulfill them. Jesus knew that no one can fulfill the commandments on their own that's why He said that He has come to fulfill the law (commandments) Matthew 5:17. Are u saying Jesus was lying when said He has come to fulfill the law instead of abolishing it? He's simply saying that the commandments can only be fulfilled through Him cos He has fulfilled the law for us. Read further in the chapter, He said anyone who breaks a little law, will be least in the Kingdom of Heaven. But we humans break the law a lot. The only way we can fulfill the law is through Jesus and that is the gospel!!! Cos He has fulfilled it for is Matt5:17...read it yourself! This isn't the word of a pastor, this is Jesus' word!!! I repeat, NO ONE CAN FULFILL THE LAW EXCEPT THROUGH JESUS!!! If u feel that's not the truth and that it's not Jesus' word, then I wish u the best in your knowledge!

Thattallgirl:
Kobojunkie and GeneralDae, and any other person that may oppose what I posted, I'm just going to say these and leave u be, except those who want to understand more of all I've posted and want to ask more questions and not oppose.

You guys have said all u "know" to be right, some of which has no Bible backing but only based on your understanding of what is right or wrong.

First I'd love for u to read Hebrews 8:8-12, also read where Jesus Himself said with His mouth that He has fulfilled the law. It's always easy actually for Christians to follow routines which end up wearing them out and putting them in bondage.

As for me, whether u agree or not, I AM THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD IN CHRIST JESUS (2 Corinthians 5:21) and I have been made righteous forever, not because of my works or cos I'm trying to keep the commandments which I know I can't keep, but I am righteous simply because Christ Himself has made me righteous by the shedding of His blood! Through Jesus and Jesus alone, I can approach God with all confidence and happiness no matter the situation I'm in.

I remember a time I wore a short gown out. Christians would condemn me and say if I wear it I'll go to hell. But I remembered that I prayed to God as my Father, He is my Dad and I'm His child, His beloved! I told Him I wanted to wear it and I went ahead to wear it. Before I got halfway to my destination, I felt uncomfortable and didn't like what I wore. From inside out, I was naturally renewed and since then, I never wore that short gown out again. Another true story of a girl who got born again and told her pastor she still wanted to be a dancer. What would the average pastor say? He'd say if she dances she'll go to hell and burn. The pastor told her to go ahead but continue having a relationship with God. I think few days later, she came back to the pastor and said she doesn't feel like dancing anymore. That's what I'm saying! That's what the Bible says in Hebrews 8:8-10.

Since I've had this revelation of who I am in Christ and that whenever I make a mistake, I believe that I'm still righteous in God's eyes only because of the blood of Jesus, since then, I've been extremely free in Christ. My relationship with God has been way better. I've even recently received the gift of the Spirit which I was unable to receive before. Naturally, the urge to sin isn't there, naturally I'm loving my neighbor as I love myself, naturally, I'm loving God with all my heart, soul, and mind. Naturally, I don't feel the urge to fornicate cos I know God loves me so much that He doesn't want me to get hurt or get a disease or be yoked together with someone who isn't God's choice for me.

If u feel you guys can keep all the commandments yourself without Jesus, then fine! But as for me o, I'm completely leaning on Jesus for guidance and for everything. Ordinary to cross road which I find it difficult to do, I ask the Holy Spirit or my angel to help me, and I just find it easy to do. There was a time an elderly woman held my hands to cross

That's the freedom in Christ I'm referring to. It is written in Psalm 23 that He will prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies...lol that means He will cook and set the table for me, while I sit and enjoy all that God planned for me...that is RESTING in Christ and not doing your best to make Christ do it for u. We're to rest in Him while He works for our good.

I've been completely free and in peace since I had this revelation and it is not based on man's words, every scripture I quoted are in the Bible for u all to see. Enjoy your own self efforts o...lol...I'll be enjoying in God's Unmerited Favor that I do not deserve but yet receive cos of Jesus' precious blood.

Lastly, I won't reply any more mentions if it's to oppose anything I've posted, except you need me to explain more or ask questions about what I've posted. Have a lovely week!

If u feel you guys can keep all the commandments yourself without Jesus, then fine! But as for me o, I'm completely leaning on Jesus for guidance and for everything. Ordinary to cross road which I find it difficult to do, I ask the Holy Spirit or my angel to help me, and I just find it easy to do. There was a time an elderly woman held my hands to cross

MrColdsweat:
Righteousness is simply doing what is right as a Christian.

Kobojunkiee:
That is not even close to the truth!

MrColdsweat:
Educate me. What is righteousness?

Isaiah 64 vs 4-19 (ERV)
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3. But you have done awesome things that we did not expect. You came down, and mountains shook in fear before you.
4. No one has ever heard of such a God. No one has ever heard such a story. No one has ever seen any God except you, who does such great things for those who trust him.
5. You welcome people who enjoy doing good and who remember you by living the way you want them to. But we sinned against you, and you became angry with us.[a] But you always saved us![/b]
6. We are all dirty with sin. Even our good works are not pure. They are like bloodstained rags. We are all like dead leaves. Our sins have carried us away like wind.
7. We don’t call to you for help. We aren’t excited about following you, so you have turned away from us. We are helpless before you, because we are full of sin.
8. But, Lord, you are our father. We are like clay, and you are the potter. Your hands made us all.
9. Lord, don’t continue to be angry with us! Don’t remember our sins forever! Please, look at us! We are all your people.

Thattallgirl:
Kobojunkie and GeneralDae, and any other person that may oppose what I posted, I'm just going to say these and leave u be, except those who want to understand more of all I've posted and want to ask more questions and not oppose.
You guys have said all u "know" to be right, some of which has no Bible backing but only based on your understanding of what is right or wrong.

Thattallgirl:
First I'd love for u to read Hebrews 8:8-12, also read where Jesus Himself said with His mouth that He has fulfilled the law. It's always easy actually for Christians to follow routines which end up wearing them out and putting them in bondage.

Matthew 11 vs 27-30 (ESV)
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27. All things have been handed over to me by my Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and anyone to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.
28. Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
29. Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.
30. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.”

Thattallgirl:
As for me, whether u agree or not, I AM THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD IN CHRIST JESUS (2 Corinthians 5:21) and I have been made righteous forever, not because of my works or cos I'm trying to keep the commandments which I know I can't keep, but I am righteous simply because Christ Himself has made me righteous by the shedding of His blood! Through Jesus and Jesus alone, I can approach God with all confidence and happiness no matter the situation I'm in.

Thattallgirl:
I remember a time I wore a short gown out. Christians would condemn me and say if I wear it I'll go to hell. But I remembered that I prayed to God as my Father, He is my Dad and I'm His child, His beloved! I told Him I wanted to wear it and I went ahead to wear it. Before I got halfway to my destination, I felt uncomfortable and didn't like what I wore. From inside out, I was naturally renewed and since then, I never wore that short gown out again. Another true story of a girl who got born again and told her pastor she still wanted to be a dancer. What would the average pastor say? He'd say if she dances she'll go to hell and burn. The pastor told her to go ahead but continue having a relationship with God. I think few days later, she came back to the pastor and said she doesn't feel like dancing anymore. That's what I'm saying! That's what the Bible says in Hebrews 8:8-10.

Thattallgirl:
I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
Galatians 2:21, KJV


What has a right understanding of your righteousness got to do with expecting good to happen to you today? Everything!

Many believers associate righteousness with a list of things that they have to do, and if they fulfill this list, they feel “righteous.” Conversely, when they fail in terms of their behavior, they feel “unrighteous.” But this is the wrong definition and understanding of righteousness.

Let’s go back to what the Bible has to say. Look at 2 Corinthians 5:21: “For He [God] made Him [Jesus Christ] who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him [Jesus Christ].” We are not righteous because we do right. We became righteous because of what Jesus did for us at the cross. “Righteousness,” therefore, is not based on our right doing. It is based entirely on Jesus’ right doing. Christianity is not about doing right to become righteous. It is all about believing right in Jesus to become righteous.

Do you realize that we have been conditioned to associate being blessed with doing right? Most belief systems are based on a system of merit whereby you need to fulfill certain requirements—give to the poor, do good to others and care for the underprivileged—to attain a certain state of righteousness. It all sounds very noble, self-sacrificial and appealing to our flesh, which likes to feel that our good works have earned us our righteousness.

But God is not looking at your nobility, sacrifices or good works to justify you. He is only interested in Jesus’ humility at the cross. He looks at His Son’s perfect sacrifice at Calvary to justify you and make you righteous! Attempting to be justified by your good works and trying your best to keep the Ten Commandments to become righteous is to negate the cross of Jesus Christ. It is as good as saying, “The cross is not enough to justify me. I need to depend on my good works to make myself clean and righteous before God.”

The apostle Paul said, “I do not frustrate the grace [unmerited favor] of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.” My friend, consider carefully what Paul is saying here. He is effectively saying that if you are depending on your good works, your doing and your ability to keep perfectly the Ten Commandments to become righteous, then Jesus died for nothing! That’s what “in vain” means—for nothing! So don’t frustrate the grace of God by depending on your good works to make yourself righteous and put God on your side. Jesus’ sacrifice is more than enough to justify you! And when you know that you are justified, you can be confident that the unmerited favor of God is on your side and expect good to happen to you today!

From Joseph Prince Daily Meditate Devotional

Thattallgirl:
I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
Galatians 2:21, KJV


What has a right understanding of your righteousness got to do with expecting good to happen to you today? Everything!

Many believers associate righteousness with a list of things that they have to do, and if they fulfill this list, they feel “righteous.” Conversely, when they fail in terms of their behavior, they feel “unrighteous.” But this is the wrong definition and understanding of righteousness.

Let’s go back to what the Bible has to say. Look at 2 Corinthians 5:21: “For He [God] made Him [Jesus Christ] who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him [Jesus Christ].” We are not righteous because we do right. We became righteous because of what Jesus did for us at the cross. “Righteousness,” therefore, is not based on our right doing. It is based entirely on Jesus’ right doing. Christianity is not about doing right to become righteous. It is all about believing right in Jesus to become righteous.

Do you realize that we have been conditioned to associate being blessed with doing right? Most belief systems are based on a system of merit whereby you need to fulfill certain requirements—give to the poor, do good to others and care for the underprivileged—to attain a certain state of righteousness. It all sounds very noble, self-sacrificial and appealing to our flesh, which likes to feel that our good works have earned us our righteousness.

But God is not looking at your nobility, sacrifices or good works to justify you. He is only interested in Jesus’ humility at the cross. He looks at His Son’s perfect sacrifice at Calvary to justify you and make you righteous! Attempting to be justified by your good works and trying your best to keep the Ten Commandments to become righteous is to negate the cross of Jesus Christ. It is as good as saying, “The cross is not enough to justify me. I need to depend on my good works to make myself clean and righteous before God.”

The apostle Paul said, “I do not frustrate the grace [unmerited favor] of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.” My friend, consider carefully what Paul is saying here. He is effectively saying that if you are depending on your good works, your doing and your ability to keep perfectly the Ten Commandments to become righteous, then Jesus died for nothing! That’s what “in vain” means—for nothing! So don’t frustrate the grace of God by depending on your good works to make yourself righteous and put God on your side. Jesus’ sacrifice is more than enough to justify you! And when you know that you are justified, you can be confident that the unmerited favor of God is on your side and expect good to happen to you today!

From Joseph Prince Daily Meditate Devotional