kokaneprodigy:

Which role do you think Firminho plays at Liverpool?

Your wingers will be less potent without an AM

shey it is the role laca is playing like firmino. Yet he's playing it badly.

More so, firmino has been playing that role even before coutinho their Am was sold. Why people are looking firmino sef is because their 2 wingers are creative and can score.
Salah can dribble and create chance, same as mane

Jodera:
False 9.

He links both mane and salah together. They have that understanding, until recently tho.

It’s more or less an AM

Seriously, I'm sick of all these Ozil shalayes.
Naija sentiment aside, Iwobi will offer more than Ozil can to this current team.
let's look at city, Benardo, silva, KDB,Foden-these players don't just stay in midfield, they simply roam. Can Ozil do that? sometimes, you dont even know if they are playing as wingers.
what of Liverpool? Can Ozil offers what Gini, Henderson, Milner offer. I'm talking about serious work rate here.
The only way Ozil can be added to our Midfield is if there is a natural DM. somebody to babysit him and clear up his mess. And I doubt we have such player right now.
Arsenal fans should forget Ozil. It is not that he was that brilliant gan. His performances were like a flash in the pan sometimes.
Our lack of goals is due to how this team is set up not because of Ozil absence.

Jodera:
shey it is the role laca is playing like firmino. Yet he's playing it badly.

More so, firmino has been playing that role even before coutinho their Am was sold. Why people are looking firmino sef is because their 2 wingers are creative and can score.
Salah can dribble and create chance, same as mane

it’s not same role check their lineup and compare with ours.
Firminho takes the ball from the DMs and transmits it, Jota/Sala rotate the CF position.

My point is your wingers will still be less effective without a potent AM with vision. Someone needs to track their runs and give incisive passes. Our wingers have to drop deep to get the ball most times.

Cos our DMs and CBs are busy passing sideways.

mostob:
Seriously, I'm sick of all these Ozil shalayes.
Naija sentiment aside, Iwobi will offer more than Ozil can to this current team.
let's look at city, Benardo, silva, KDB,Foden-these players don't just stay in midfield, they simply roam. Can Ozil do that? sometimes, you dont even know if they are playing as wingers.
what of Liverpool? Can Ozil offers what Gini, Henderson, Milner offer. I'm talking about serious work rate here.
The only way Ozil can be added to our Midfield is if there is a natural DM. somebody to babysit him and clear up his mess. And I doubt we have such player right now.
Arsenal fans should forget Ozil. It is not that he was that brilliant gan. His performances were like a flash in the pan sometimes.
Our lack of goals is due to how this team is set up not because of Ozil absence.

In your effort to make this about Ozil again you had to lie and compare Ozil with DMs and CMs.

You’ve mentioned Ozil in your single post more than any other moniker’s posts combined this morning. We are talking about AM no one is dwelling on Ozil.
Take your advice and Come off this Ozil obsession

Arteta really needs to sit down and tweak his tactics and personnel.
It is clear Laca and Nketiah are not performing to expectations but what of Balogun? He should integrate him into the team by giving him like 20 mins in Europa.
....and if he is adamant on his CF playing the Firmino role, i will recommend Willock for him. (don't abuse me o ,ask me why)
Also, the ineffectiveness of our wing contribute to our attacking performance. He should move Auba to CF flanked by Nelson and Pepe...yes, Pepe. He need to play wingers that can dribble when needed, cross and also offer goal threats. Auba constantly drift to the CF and this creates workload on Pepe as he is the only true winger playing.

mostob:
Seriously, I'm sick of all these Ozil shalayes.
Naija sentiment aside, Iwobi will offer more than Ozil can to this current team.
let's look at city, Benardo, silva, KDB,Foden-these players don't just stay in midfield, they simply roam. Can Ozil do that? sometimes, you dont even know if they are playing as wingers.
what of Liverpool? Can Ozil offers what Gini, Henderson, Milner offer. I'm talking about serious work rate here.
The only way Ozil can be added to our Midfield is if there is a natural DM. somebody to babysit him and clear up his mess. And I doubt we have such player right now.
Arsenal fans should forget Ozil. It is not that he was that brilliant gan. His performances were like a flash in the pan sometimes.
Our lack of goals is due to how this team is set up not because of Ozil absence.

If only iwobi was in arsenal, maybe I'll consider iwobi. But iwobi is gone, that's why I will not drag iwobi inside my talks. Ozil is an arsenal player, and he's not injured, and not that he's sold. So it's not out of place to talk about him.

For the others points you raised, I just want to believe you didn't watch ozil under Arteta. So no qualms!

kokaneprodigy:

In your effort to make this about Ozil again you had to lie and compare Ozil with DMs and CMs.

You’ve mentioned Ozil in your single post more than any other moniker’s posts combined this morning. We are talking about AM no one is dwelling on Ozil.
Take your advice and Come off this Ozil obsession

Oga, can you pinpoint where I lied. And I didn't compare him with those players I mentioned. I was merely comparing the teams' set up.You need to realise the AM role is going into extinct.
My post was directed to you Ozil fans that was why you could count many 'Ozils' there.
And it is not as if his inclusion will guarantee 2 goals per match. SMH

kokaneprodigy:
it’s not same role check their lineup and compare with ours.
Firminho takes the ball from the DMs and transmits it, Jota/Sala rotate the CF position.

My point is your wingers will still be less effective without a potent AM with vision. Someone needs to track their runs and give incisive passes. Our wingers have to drop deep to get the ball most times.

Cos our DMs and CBs are busy passing sideways.

but last season, it was mostly through the fullbacks ball get to attack and not firmino.
Granted firmino drops deep to dictate play, but their creative hub were Robertson and Arnold.
And their front 3

Jodera:
If only iwobi was in arsenal, maybe I'll consider iwobi. But iwobi is gone, that's why I will not drag iwobi inside my talks. Ozil is an arsenal player, and he's not injured, and not that he's sold. So it's not out of place to talk about him.

For the others points you raised, I just want to believe you didn't watch ozil under Arteta. So no qualms!

I have nothing against Ozil but the way some fans call for Ozil anytime we lose is just ridiculous. And I watch Ozil under Arteta, he did I play well but not that spectacular. There was a reason Arteta didn't include him in the squad.

Do we need a playmaker? Yes

Is Ozil the answer? Absolutely No

mostob:
Arteta really needs to sit down and tweak his tactics and personnel.
It is clear Laca and Nketiah are not performing to expectations but what of Balogun? He should integrate him into the team by giving him like 20 mins in Europa.
....and if he is adamant on his CF playing the Firmino role, i will recommend Willock for him. (don't abuse me o ,ask me why)
Also, the ineffectiveness of our wing contribute to our attacking performance. He should move Auba to CF flanked by Nelson and Pepe...yes, Pepe. He need to play wingers that can dribble when needed, cross and also offer goal threats. Auba constantly drift to the CF and this creates workload on Pepe as he is the only true winger playing.

The thing is, I don't trust Nelson or pepe anymore. Especially the latter.

But your opinion of bringing youths is really commendable, at least, that's how we got to know saka and martinelli.
I don't know why arteta doesn't trust his youths tho.

Why do you want willlock??

mostob:
I have nothing against Ozil but the way some fans call for Ozil anytime we lose is just ridiculous. And I watch Ozil under Arteta, he did I play well but not that spectacular. There was a reason Arteta didn't include him in the squad.

Do we need a playmaker? Yes

Is Ozil the answer? Absolutely No

I’m not the type to criticize only when we lose I’m not L-Khalifa.

I mentioned it even when we were winning that we need an AM and DM going into the TW. I also mentioned we hardly dominate big teams even when we won and we’ll soon be found out.

I did same during Emery and I was asked to shut up that after all we are “grinding out result” we all saw how it ended.

I work with indices even in my personal life. I don’t wait for evil to befall before acting.

mostob:
I have nothing against Ozil but the way some fans call for Ozil anytime we lose is just ridiculous. And I watch Ozil under Arteta, he did I play well but not that spectacular. There was a reason Arteta didn't include him in the squad.

Do we need a playmaker? Yes

Is Ozil the answer? Absolutely No

And you think the reason why arteta didn't include him is footballing reason? Don't make me laugh abeg!


And for now, ozil is the answer. Yes. Not the absolute answer but the answer for at least small small and decent teams.
Aside work rate, he's the only one that has vision, can create chances and all.
And he also improved his work rate under Arteta.

I won't lie, we need an Am and a playmaker and ozil is one. Perhaps if we had another, I wouldn't have clamoured for ozil the way I'm doing now

Jodera:
The thing is, I don't trust Nelson or pepe anymore. Especially the latter.

But your opinion of bringing youths is really commendable, at least, that's how we got to know saka and martinelli.
I don't know why arteta doesn't trust his youths tho.

Why do you want willlock??

The reason I'm still clamouring for Nelson is because he has not really get a tangible game time. Just On and Off.
And as for Willock, i think he will play the Laca role better. He is taller and his hold up play is better due to his physique. He has also shown to be a good goalscorer and his height is a good aerial weapon which means the FBs will get a target man to deliver crosses to. He is a midfielder so dropping deep won't be a problem for him. I'm not the coach, that is just my opinion.
As for playing more youths, Donyel Malen was let go, he is currently leading the line for PSV. I heard Barca is monitoring him if they can't get Depay. There is also Jeff and Bennacer that were let go then.

Jodera:
And you think the reason why arteta didn't include him is footballing reason? Don't make me laugh abeg!


And for now, ozil is the answer. Yes. Not the absolute answer but the answer for at least small small and decent teams.
Aside work rate, he's the only one that has vision, can create chances and all.
And he also improved his work rate under Arteta.

I won't lie, we need an Am and a playmaker and ozil is one. Perhaps if we had another, I wouldn't have clamoured for ozil the way I'm doing now

Bro, i understand you but the question is how effective has he been since the last two years?

And, if indeed Arteta needs him in his team, i want to believe he would have talk to the board about it.
Ozil is good no doubt but let's move on. He has already been excluded so wetin again?
But I won't deny we need an AM badly.

mostob:
Oga, can you pinpoint where I lied. And I didn't compare him with those players I mentioned. I was merely comparing the teams' set up.You need to realise the AM role is going into extinct.
My post was directed to you Ozil fans that was why you could count many 'Ozils' there.
And it is not as if his inclusion will guarantee 2 goals per match. SMH

That Ozil’s work rate under Arteta is low, he played almost if not all the games under Arteta prior to the COVID and a lot here attested to his improved work rate, using stats of 1 assist doesn’t tell the full story unless you just started watching football.

I still remember how guys were mad at Arteta for pulling out Ozil in the match against Chelsea, claiming pulling him out brought Chelsea back into the game. We eventually lost the match from a winning position.

Then COVID happened all of a sudden he doesn’t have work rate under Arteta. It’s a lie.

kokaneprodigy:

I’m not the type to criticize only when we lose I’m not L-Khalifa.

I mentioned it even when we were winning that we need an AM and DM going into the TW. I also mentioned we hardly dominate big teams even when we won and we’ll soon be found out.

I did same during Emery and I was asked to shut up that after all we are “grinding out result” we all saw how it ended.

I work with indices even in my personal life. I don’t wait for evil to befall before acting.

I understand you bro. I can't deny seeing some of your posts here .
Go to Facebook, justarsenal, arseblog. ..the way those fans were berating Arteta because of Ozil saga will make you think Ozil is messi+CR7 combination. So, my post was not meant to downgrade Ozil or directed to someone.

kokaneprodigy:

I’m not the type to criticize only when we lose I’m not L-Khalifa.

I mentioned it even when we were winning that we need an AM and DM going into the TW. I also mentioned we hardly dominate big teams even when we won and we’ll soon be found out.

I did same during Emery and I was asked to shut up that after all we are “grinding out result” we all saw how it ended.

I work with indices even in my personal life. I don’t wait for evil to befall before acting.

Shurup and enjoy your Arterta to the left to the left football..
Atleast your Headache Guen is gone and Emery is enjoying life in Spain now

kokaneprodigy:

That Ozil’s work rate under Arteta is low, he played almost if not all the games under Arteta prior to the COVID and a lot here attested to his improved work rate, using stats of 1 assist doesn’t tell the full story unless you just started watching football.

I still remember how guys were mad at Arteta for pulling out Ozil in the match against Chelsea, claiming pulling him out brought Chelsea back into the game. We eventually lost the match from a winning position.

Then COVID happened all of a sudden he doesn’t have work rate under Arteta. It’s a lie.

Well, that is between the board and Ozil. Trust me, i wish he was included too. In fact, i was hopeful when arteta said he has given everybody a clean slate. But the moment the list was released, I was disappointed too when his name was not among.
So, we move.

When a team sits deep it’s still very difficult to break them down with a good creative player on to be fair. What you need to do is run at defenders and make them have to make challenges, no defender in the world wants players running at them( Now who does this at Arsenal? Everyone on the attacking front bar Saka is bereft of idea or talented to use the ball well, their first instinct is to pass it to the left or back, hence the drab football) Add some give and go’s while running and you can create space and chances.

What we do is let a team sit deep and then we just move the ball side to side and put in the odd cross. Unless Fabregas is playing you aren’t going to find space for a through ball with 10 men behind the ball. Hence why we get the ball wide(slowly) and then just pass back and repeat...

BTW, Ozil's vision and pass will only work against teams leaving much space at the back.

Fkhalifa:
When a team sits deep it’s still very difficult to break them down with a good creative player on to be fair. What you need to do is run at defenders and make them have to make challenges, no defender in the world wants players running at them( Now who does this at Arsenal? Everyone on the attacking front bar Saka is bereft of idea or talented to use the ball well, their first instinct is to pass it to the left or back, hence the drab football) Add some give and go’s while running and you can create space and chances.

What we do is let a team sit deep and then we just move the ball side to side and put in the odd cross. Unless Fabregas is playing you aren’t going to find space for a through ball with 10 men behind the ball. Hence why we get the ball wide(slowly) and then just pass back and repeat...

BTW, Ozil's vision and pass will only work against teams leaving much space at the back.

Gbam! I wholeheartedly agree.

Good ebening

Spy360:
One good thing Arteta has done is to strengthen our defense. The picture below tells an important story. Like the saying we have been making...

A good attack wins you matches, but a good defense wins you titles.

Add Arterta won two trophies with mostly this tactics, Everyone praised him so why attacking him now... Let him set up to attack against proper teams and see his team concede goals... He's had his 2 good T.window and we'll see what happens by December. Sadly, it's easy to blame coaches, but the Coach won't go and bury chances,won't take players on and risks and I doubt no coach will ever set up to play pass me I pass you football.

Emery began well like Arterta with 25 games unbeaten, ended 5th with 2points behind 3rd placed Chelsea. Also got to Europa final with the "Terrible" Kolasinac,Iwobi,Mustafi,litcthterner,Cech,Sokratis,Guendozi,Willock,mhickytayrn et Al. Before everything went down south.

Wenger played beautiful football when he had lovely players like Fabregas,Hleb,Rosciky,V.persie,Carzola,Nasri,Arshavin etc, in his latter years of Xhaka,Kolasinac,Giroud,Welbeck,Nketiah,Nelson,Elneny, etc it began to look boring..

The harsh truth is 90% of this present squad are not good enough for Top4 and Top trophies..
Arsenal last won away to a big team in England was in 2015, most wins are not dominated wins but grinded.

Funny football review
https://goaldball.com/2020/10/27/thoughts-of-a-lunatic-auba-envying-ozil-barca-plan-c-and-other-talking-points/

Fkhalifa:
When a team sits deep it’s still very difficult to break them down with a good creative player on to be fair. What you need to do is run at defenders and make them have to make challenges, no defender in the world wants players running at them( Now who does this at Arsenal? Everyone on the attacking front bar Saka is bereft of idea or talented to use the ball well, their first instinct is to pass it to the left or back, hence the drab football) Add some give and go’s while running and you can create space and chances.

What we do is let a team sit deep and then we just move the ball side to side and put in the odd cross. Unless Fabregas is playing you aren’t going to find space for a through ball with 10 men behind the ball. Hence why we get the ball wide(slowly) and then just pass back and repeat...

BTW, Ozil's vision and pass will only work against teams leaving much space at the back.

Exactly!!
The reason I said this team is very limited compared to Wenger's team

You see that your bolded... That's what I tried explaining to spy and kokane that if we had to good wingers that will run at defenders, there'll be space that will be opened, and it'll even draw our midfielders subconsciously towards their opposition box, cos of the space created by the wingers. But whereby our midfielders is sideways passes, the first thing in a winger mind is to pass back just by seeing the shadow of an opponent, then no matter how, it will be difficult to break down the bus

kokaneprodigy:

That Ozil’s work rate under Arteta is low, he played almost if not all the games under Arteta prior to the COVID and a lot here attested to his improved work rate, using stats of 1 assist doesn’t tell the full story unless you just started watching football.

I still remember how guys were mad at Arteta for pulling out Ozil in the match against Chelsea, claiming pulling him out brought Chelsea back into the game. We eventually lost the match from a winning position.

Then COVID happened all of a sudden he doesn’t have work rate under Arteta. It’s a lie.

Perfect rememberance!
If it's said that Arteta didn't want ozil cos of issues with board or politics or pay cut
I might agree, but not that it's because ozil won't blend under Arteta. Thank goodness we saw him under Arteta and he performed, even with improved work rate.

So that footballing reason excuse no follow at all.

mostob:
Bro, i understand you but the question is how effective has he been since the last two years?

And, if indeed Arteta needs him in his team, i want to believe he would have talk to the board about it.
Ozil is good no doubt but let's move on. He has already been excluded so wetin again?
But I won't deny we need an AM badly.

It's good you admit ozil is an Am, and we need Am badly, and that ozil is also good too. So at least you get my point.

My issue why I'm ranting is because ozil is still an arsenal player and fit to play and the team needed him. You rarely see me make case Martinez or iwobi or Sanchez.. Why because they're no longer our player. But it's painful having a player and you can't use him cos of ego. Na my anger be that.

Anyways, like you said, let's move on...

Jodera:
Perfect rememberance!
If it's said that Arteta didn't want ozil cos of issues with board or politics or pay cut
I might agree, but not that it's because ozil won't blend under Arteta. Thank goodness we saw him under Arteta and he performed, even with improved work rate.

So that footballing reason excuse no follow at all.

Reason I had that argument with Blueraydick cos I can never understand how a guy played before covid, was said to have good work rate under Arteta before COVID, Arteta was dragged for pulling him out against Chelsea, then after COVID you say he is being dropped cos of low work rate despite not kicking a ball after COVID and you expect me to believe that.

I care less whether Ozil plays or not all I want is an AM or Arteta should tweak the squad accordingly. Cos letting personal differences affect the club’s result is highly unprofessional by the board.

Jodera:
Exactly!!
The reason I said this team is very limited compared to Wenger's team

You see that your bolded... That's what I tried explaining to spy and kokane that if we had to good wingers that will run at defenders, there'll be space that will be opened, and it'll even draw our midfielders subconsciously towards their opposition box, cos of the space created by the wingers. But whereby our midfielders is sideways passes, the first thing in a winger mind is to pass back just by seeing the shadow of an opponent, then no matter how, it will be difficult to break down the bus

Do you know how deep our wingers play at all? So u expect them to always run from middle of the field to the opponent’s box, as in always?

Xhaka first instinct with the ball is to try and find Auba, and Auba lately is most times man marked. His next instinct is to sideways or backwards. Ceb plays very deep too, same as Partey. Our wingers are most time isolated reason they drop deep.

kokaneprodigy:

Reason I had that argument with Blueraydick cos I can never understand how a guy played before covid, was said to have good work rate under Arteta before COVID, Arteta was dragged for pulling him out against Chelsea, then after COVID you say he is being dropped cos of low work rate despite not kicking a ball after COVID and you expect me to believe that.

I care less whether Ozil plays or not all I want is an AM or Arteta should tweak the squad accordingly. Cos letting personal differences affect the club’s result is highly unprofessional by the board.

On the same page with you on this!!

kokaneprodigy:

Do you know how deep our wingers play at all? So u expect them to always run from middle of the field to the opponent’s box, as in always?

Xhaka first instinct with the ball is to try and find Auba, and Auba lately is most times man marked. His next instinct is to sideways or backwards. Ceb plays very deep too, same as Partey. Our wingers are most time isolated reason they drop deep.

Nah! I don't expect that to happen.
But on a more serious note, how many of our forwards (including auba) have beaten a opponent one on one or even attempt to do it aside saka?

The is a reason saka is our only creative personnel in that attack, and it's not because he's just a good crosser of the ball

Jodera:
It's good you admit ozil is an Am, and we need Am badly, and that ozil is also good too. So at least you get my point.

My issue why I'm ranting is because ozil is still an arsenal player and fit to play and the team needed him. You rarely see me make case Martinez or iwobi or Sanchez.. Why because they're no longer our player. But it's painful having a player and you can't use him cos of ego. Na my anger be that.

Anyways, like you said, let's move on...

Yea. .let us move on.