As we already know in the book of Genesis, God is the creator of heaven and earth and all living things upon the face of the earth .

And these things include:
Man
Animal
Sun
Land
Light
And lots more, but there is no record as to how God himself came into being.
Please is there anyone that can help us know more about God?

daniddan1999:
As we already know in the book of Genesis, God is the creator of heaven and earth and all living things upon the face of the earth .

And these things include:
Man
Animal
Sun
Land
Light
And lots more, but there is no record as to how God himself came into being.
Please is there anyone that can help us know more about God?

Can your phone know that you were created? Or does your car ask you "who created you?

God created you, stay in your place and do not over reach.

daniddan1999:
As we already know in the book of Genesis, God is the creator of heaven and earth and all living things upon the face of the earth .

And these things include:
Man
Animal
Sun
Land
Light
And lots more, but there is no record as to how God himself came into being.
Please is there anyone that can help us know more about God?

Religious folks deceive themselves and say nothing can come from nothing, that everything has a creator. And then they'll give some dumb example and say "hey, look at that painting it didn't just come from nowhere". But when you ask them who created their god, they'll say it's the beginning and the end, and it was never created.
Have they ever stopped to think that maybe there is another god who created their god?

Dtruthspeaker:


[b] Can your phone know that you were created? [/b]Or does your car ask you "who created you?

God created you, stay in your place and do not over reach.

omo, all this poor analogy you people like to use sef.

kingxsamz:


Religious folks deceive themselves and say nothing can come from nothing, that everything has a creator. And then they'll give some dumb example and say "hey, look at that painting it didn't just come from nowhere". But when you ask them who created their god, they'll say it's the beginning and the end, and it was never created.
Have they ever stopped to think that maybe there is another god who created their god?

Your ignorance didn't make you know that scientifically, nothing can come out of nothing. If there are things, it means that there was a primary object/person from whom every other things come from.

Do you think something can logically or scientifically come out of nothing?
It means God is the UNCAUSED FIRST CAUSE of Everything.

You have a very ignorant question!

That's easy, god came from nothing....oh wait.. theists claim something cannot come from nothing..

Oh well when have theists ever argued consistently for their indoctrinated beliefs...lol

kingxsamz:


Religious folks deceive themselves and say nothing can come from nothing, that everything has a creator. And then they'll give some dumb example and say "hey, look at that painting it didn't just come from nowhere". But when you ask them who created their god, they'll say it's the beginning and the end, and it was never created.

That was the former answer that was sufficient for regular folks who asked bonafide.

Until the the-evils came and shook the ground some more, so, now this is the Answer we give them.

kingxsapost=96420062:

Have they ever stopped to think that maybe there is another god who created their god?

The God, Who is God of All has even Put out a Challenge to Any Out there,

"For I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,

10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

"Who is he that saith, and it cometh to pass, when the Lord commandeth it not?"

Who? I say who? Even small me here, dey troway mouth go up say, who? Any god, wey e think say e be god, oya come and answer Challenge!

I am the Lord, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:

kingxsamz:


omo, all this poor analogy you people like to use sef.

establish the poorness of the knowledge, if you can!

Bacteriologist:
That's easy, god came from nothing....oh wait.. theists claim something cannot come from nothing..

Oh well when have theists ever argued consistently for their indoctrinated beliefs...lol

1. Do you think something can logically or scientifically come out of nothing?
2. If we are sure that things exist, it means they came primarily from a source that HAD ALWAYS existed before any other thing.

Bacteriologist:
That's easy, god came from nothing....oh wait.. theists claim something cannot come from nothing..

Oh well when have theists ever argued consistently for their indoctrinated beliefs...lol

Have you devils argued consistently? Lie here!

Since you devils have altered your weapon of attack, therefore, we have a right to alter our Counter in Rebuttal...lol

shadeyinka:


1. Do you think something can logically or scientifically come out of nothing?
2. If we are sure that things exist, it means they came primarily from a source that HAD ALWAYS existed before any other thing.

1. Nope. Something (including god) cannot come from nothing.

2. Which is the fallacy of the Kalam's cosmological argument for god: Special pleading! "Everything else needs to come from other things EXCEPT god." Why should this be? It is the inconsistency of the Kalam's argument and blows it out of the water.

If anything can exist without a cause, we could just as well conclude that it is the universe itself that is uncaused. -which seems a more reasonable position because the universe is completely physical and requires no appeals to the supernatural or some other unproven reality (e.g heaven, hell, ghosts, spirits etc.).

Dtruthspeaker:


Have you devils argued consistently? Lie here!

Since you devils have altered your weapon of attack, therefore, we have a right to alter our Counter in Rebuttal...lol

Why do I need to argue..all I I require is evidence for your god..Good luck providing what 3 billion+ indoctrinated bible bashers like yourself have failed to do through out history...

Bacteriologist:


1. Nope. Something (including god) cannot come from nothing.

2. Which is the fallacy of the Kalam's cosmological argument for god: Special pleading! "Everything else needs to come from other things EXCEPT god." Why should this be? It is the inconsistency of the Kalam's argument and blows it out of the water.

If anything can exist without a cause, we could just as well conclude that it is the universe itself that is uncaused. -which seems a more reasonable position because the universe is completely physical and requires no appeals to the supernatural or some other unproven reality (e.g heaven, hell, ghosts, spirits etc.).

Yes, nothing can come out of nothing: and since the universe has an origin at about 13.6 Billion years ago and these comprises EVERYTHING that has mass or occupy space.

Before the Universe is an UNCAUSED FIRST CAUSE. As UNCAUSED, it breaks every known scientific and logical rule. From this comes out everything we know as the universe.

This Uncaused first cause could be an IT or a BEING.
If it is an IT, it isn't of material nature: what is its IDENTITY?

If he is a BEING, it validates what Christians have always spoken about.

shadeyinka:

Your ignorance didn't make you know that scientifically, nothing can come out of nothing. If there are things, it means that there was a primary object/person from whom every other things come from.

Do you think something can logically or scientifically come out of nothing?
It means God is the UNCAUSED FIRST CAUSE of Everything.

You have a very ignorant question!

You know what's more ignorant?
Claiming that there is a first cause, and that this supposed first cause which no one can prove is your god, and it wants you to worship it, or else it throws you into an everlasting furnace.
Like how did you even arrive at such ridiculous conclusion? To think that there's a first cause is one thing, but to think that this first cause wants you to live your life in a certain manner is madness.

shadeyinka:


1. Do you think something can logically or scientifically come out of nothing?
2. If we are sure that things exist, it means they came primarily from a source that HAD ALWAYS existed before any other thing.

How come this logic doesn't apply to your god which you can't prove its existence?

Bacteriologist:
That's easy, god came from nothing....oh wait.. theists claim something cannot come from nothing..

Oh well when have theists ever argued consistently for their indoctrinated beliefs...lol

This their kind of special pleading no be here o.

kingxsamz:


You know what's more ignorant?
Claiming that there is a first cause, and that this supposed first cause which no one can prove is your god, and it wants you to worship it, or else it throws you into an everlasting furnace.
Like how did you even arrive at such ridiculous conclusion? To think that there's a first cause is one thing, but to think that this first cause wants you to live your life in a certain manner is madness.

You are still not seeing your logical contradiction just because of your hatred for an identity called God.

Let me spell the logic out for you
1. Nothing can come out from nothing
2. But things exist
3. Therefore the origin of everything cannot be nothing:

In other words
1. God could not have created himself from nothing
2. God had always existed

Now, if you are not comfortable with me identifying the creator as God, let's go with this definition.

The Universe has its origin at about 13.6billion years ago.

It simply means that the universe was caused by an UNCAUSED FIRST CAUSE!

Do you still protest against this?

shadeyinka:


This Uncaused first cause could be an IT or a BEING.
If it is an IT, it isn't of material nature: what is its IDENTITY?

If he is a BEING, it validates what Christians have always spoken about.

Oh, it could be? So. You're not sure?
What if this Uncaused first cause is the Flying Spaghetti Monster?

And how did you arrive at the conclusion that it is a "He" ?

kingxsamz:


How come this logic doesn't apply to your god which you can't prove its existence?

I have simply asked you a logical question. Can you please answer it.

FYI:
Logics is expected to work everywhere in space.

shadeyinka:

You are still not seeing your logical contradiction just because of your hatred for an identity called God.

Let me spell the logic out for you
1. Nothing can come out from nothing
2. But things exist
3. Therefore the origin of everything cannot be nothing:

In other words
1. God could not have created himself from nothing
2. God had always existed

Now, if you are not comfortable with me identifying the creator as God, let's go with this definition.

The Universe has its origin at about 13.6billion years ago.

It simply means that the universe was caused by an UNCAUSED FIRST CAUSE!

Do you still protest against this?

My question is, how did you know that there's an Uncaused first cause and this first cause has human attributes? If you can answer that, good luck.

kingxsamz:


Oh, it could be? So. You're not sure?
What if this Uncaused first cause is the Flying Spaghetti Monster?

And how did you arrive at the conclusion that it is a "He" ?

I am speaking to a logical and sensible being. Address the logic.

Flying spaghetti monster is your nomenclature for what?

Let's first address the question:
1. Do you agree that logically there must be an UNCAUSED FIRST CAUSE for the existence of the Universe?
2. Do you think the UNCAUSED FIRST CAUSE could be an IT?

shadeyinka:

I have simply asked you a logical question. Can you please answer it.

FYI:
Logics is expected to work everywhere in space.

Your question only provides more questions which you yourself cannot answer.
If there was an Uncaused first cause?
How the hell would anyone know?

Now how did you arrive at your conclusion?

shadeyinka:

I am speaking to a logical and sensible being. Address the logic.

Flying spaghetti monster is your nomenclature for what?

Let's first address the question:
1. Do you agree that logically there must be an UNCAUSED FIRST CAUSE for the existence of the Universe?
2. Do you think the UNCAUSED FIRST CAUSE could be an IT?

1... I can't agree on what I don't know.
2... I don't think there's an it/she/he, since it's not been proven that there's an Uncaused first cause... Now answer my question.

kingxsamz:


Your question only provides more questions which you yourself cannot answer.
If there was an Uncaused first cause?
How the hell would anyone know?

Now how did you arrive at your conclusion?

Even from logic alone, you will arrive at an UNCAUSED FIRST CAUSE. It's apparent you've not taken any course on logics either in mathematics or philosophy

Let me spell the logic out for you again
1. Nothing can come out from nothing
2. But things exist
3. Therefore the origin of everything cannot be nothing: hence there must be an UNCAUSED FIRST CAUSE that initiated every other things

kingxsamz:


1... I can't agree on what I don't know.
2... I don't think there's an it/she/he, since it's not been proven that there's an Uncaused first cause... Now answer my question.

You are splashing about with no coherence in thought.

On 1: slow down and address the logic. It is simple except you don't actually care for the truth
On 2: it must be something isn't it except you believe that SOMETHING can come out of NOTHING!

shadeyinka:

Even from logic alone, you will arrive at an UNCAUSED FIRST CAUSE. It's apparent you've not taken any course on logics either in mathematics or philosophy

Let me spell the logic out for you again
1. Nothing can come out from nothing
2. But things exist
3. Therefore the origin of everything cannot be nothing: hence there must be an UNCAUSED FIRST CAUSE that initiated every other things

Is it that you don't understand what I'm saying or what, or you're just dodging?


If you say there's an Uncaused first cause, Fine!
Now, how did you arrive at the conclusion that this Uncaused first cause is a he and possesses human attributes?
It's a logical question that shouldn't be hard to answer nw.

shadeyinka:

You are splashing about with no coherence in thought.

On 1: slow down and address the logic. It is simple except you don't actually care for the truth
On 2: it must be something isn't it except you believe that SOMETHING can come out of NOTHING!

Answer the question.

kingxsamz:


Is it that you don't understand what I'm saying or what, or you're just dodging?


If you say there's an Uncaused first cause, Fine!
Now, how did you arrive at the conclusion that this Uncaused first cause is a he and posses human attributes?
It's a logical question that shouldn't be hard to answer nw.

There are just two logical options
1. The UNCAUSED FIRST CAUSE could be an IT
2. The UNCAUSED FIRST CAUSE could be a BEING.

What is your position on the two except you have an alternative. Then, you'll explain WHY you think the Source is an IT or whatever you want and I will then explain why I think he's a BEING!

kingxsamz:


Answer the question.

You are behaving like a child. I am taking you up on the altar of COMMON SENSE and LOGIC.

If you don't want to, we can call it a day.

How can a meaningful discussion come out from a person who is not willing to think or reason.

shadeyinka:

There are just two logical options
1. The UNCAUSED FIRST CAUSE could be an IT
2. The UNCAUSED FIRST CAUSE could be a BEING.

What is your position on the two except you have an alternative. Then, you'll explain WHY you think the Source is an IT or whatever you want and I will then explain why I think he's a BEING!

This guy sha... I don't have a position on any of the two as it cannot be proven.
When you're ready to answer my question, let me know.

shadeyinka:

Yes, nothing can come out of nothing: and since the universe has an origin at about 13.6 Billion years ago and these comprises EVERYTHING that has mass or occupy space.

Before the Universe is an UNCAUSED FIRST CAUSE. As UNCAUSED, it breaks every known scientific and logical rule. From this comes out everything we know as the universe.

This Uncaused first cause could be an IT or a BEING.
If it is an IT, it isn't of material nature: what is its IDENTITY?

If he is a BEING, it validates what Christians have always spoken about.

The age of the universe isn't necessarily an "origin." It's more of time elapsed after the big bang. Like the big bang is just a reference point for where we started counting time in our reality.

The singularity could have existed 10 times longer than that we may never know.

"BEFORE the universe is an uncaused first cause" is another fallacious logically inconsistent statement. Because if you subscribe to the big bang, time did not exist until the big bang. So "BEFORE" could not exist.

Even at that, you just don't get to claim an uncaused first cause existed before the big bang without a convincing evidence to back that claim up. How do we know such thing did exist "before" the big bang?

The term "uncaused first cause" is just a synonym for special pleading at worst, and word salad at best.

Lastly, the Kalam's cosmological argument despite its pitfalls proves a deist god at best. Every religion out there can use it claim their god is true. All they need to do is to insert the names of their gods into the premises of the argument.

Going a step further to tag a particular theist god to it requires even more evidence and far more stronger arguments and less pre-suppositions and appeals to logical inconsistencies and fallacious presumptions.

shadeyinka:

You are behaving like a child. I am taking you up on the altar of COMMON SENSE and LOGIC.

If you don't want to, we can call it a day.

How can a meaningful discussion come out from a person who is not willing to think or reason.

And I'm also asking you a logical question.
You're the one claiming there's an Uncaused first cause, right?
Now answer my question