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Re: How Did God Make Himself by Bacteriologist(m): 12:25pm On Nov 25, 2020 |
kingxsamz: It's like creating a rule and when the rule works against one, he says "No, it shouldn't apply to me. I created it." lol ![]() |
Re: How Did God Make Himself by kingxsamz(m): 12:28pm On Nov 25, 2020 |
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Re: How Did God Make Himself by shadeyinka(m): 12:34pm On Nov 25, 2020 |
Bacteriologist:In other words, the singularity had always existed. Is it your Uncaused first cause of the Universe? Bacteriologist:You are changing the goalpost. If you claimed the question how did God create himself, are you not insinuating that God (if He exists must be before the big bang) or are you saying God came (if He exists at all) after the big bang? Physical time didn't exist till after the big bang only because there is no scientific means of going backwards in time before the big bang. But it doesn't mean that time didn't exist before the big bang Bacteriologist:Check the logic and trace through it carefully 1. Nothing can come out of nothing 2. But things exist 3. Therefore things have come out of something that had always existed. The thing that had always existed must be UNCAUSED. This Uncaused thing must be the CAUSE of every other thing. This means this Uncaused "thing" is the First Cause of Everything. The UNCAUSED FIRST CAUSE is just a neutral definition as the primary logical origin of Everything. Bacteriologist:I don't care a hoot about Kalam and his thesis I don't care about what Deists think However, LOGICALLY, even if you don't want to ascribe the name "God" to the UNCAUSED FIRST CAUSE, there is no denying that the UNCAUSED FIRST CAUSE exist. This UNCAUSED FIRST CAUSE, could be either an IT or a BEING! |
Re: How Did God Make Himself by Dtruthspeaker: 12:35pm On Nov 25, 2020 |
Bacteriologist: ![]() ![]() ![]() Besides, I get it, that it is your cryptic and sneaky way of saying that you are Unable To Validly Challenge My Answer! ![]() ![]() |
Re: How Did God Make Himself by shadeyinka(m): 12:35pm On Nov 25, 2020 |
kingxsamz:So that you know you have been ignored until you are willing to intellectually discuss! |
Re: How Did God Make Himself by shadeyinka(m): 12:39pm On Nov 25, 2020 |
Dtruthspeaker:Let's assume the UNCAUSED FIRST CAUSE truely exist, with what device/instruments do you think it's data would be acceptable to you? In other words, what kind of evidence would serve as a suitable proof to you? |
Re: How Did God Make Himself by Bacteriologist(m): 12:44pm On Nov 25, 2020 |
Dtruthspeaker: Of course! if there was the tiniest shred of evidence for your god - or any of the 4000+ gods for that matter. The religion section wouldn't exist. There would be no question. But here we are. Yes god is in charge. ![]() 2 Likes |
Re: How Did God Make Himself by Bacteriologist(m): 12:47pm On Nov 25, 2020 |
shadeyinka: The "uncaused first cause" is a universe creating unicorn..now what 2 Likes |
Re: How Did God Make Himself by shadeyinka(m): 12:50pm On Nov 25, 2020 |
Bacteriologist:If that's your identity for the UNCAUSED FIRST CAUSE. A UNICORN...a horse with a single horn. At least you admit that such is your SOURCE! 1 Like |
Re: How Did God Make Himself by Bacteriologist(m): 12:55pm On Nov 25, 2020 |
shadeyinka: Yeah a universe creating unicorn is the uncaused first cause.. hopefully you don't have a problem with that? 2 Likes |
Re: How Did God Make Himself by kingxsamz(m): 12:58pm On Nov 25, 2020 |
shadeyinka: Running away as expected. ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Re: How Did God Make Himself by shadeyinka(m): 1:03pm On Nov 25, 2020 |
Bacteriologist:No! A universe creating unicorn is YOUR uncaused first cause! |
Re: How Did God Make Himself by Dtruthspeaker: 1:05pm On Nov 25, 2020 |
shadeyinka: I am sure you posted this to me in error! |
Re: How Did God Make Himself by kingxsamz(m): 1:06pm On Nov 25, 2020 |
Bacteriologist: ![]() ![]() Since he claims there's an Uncaused first cause, then anyone who believes this can claim this first cause to be anything they believe it is, even a Unicorn. Well, as for ne, I believe this first cause is a black, transgendered lesbian. ![]() |
Re: How Did God Make Himself by kingxsamz(m): 1:07pm On Nov 25, 2020 |
shadeyinka: While a universe creating 60 year old white male is your own Uncaused first cause. Everybody wins. ![]() ![]() 3 Likes |
Re: How Did God Make Himself by Bacteriologist(m): 1:08pm On Nov 25, 2020 |
shadeyinka: Great. In the same vein, you hopefully wouldn't have a problem with the premise that universe creating unicorns have the same merit as Yahweh or The flying spaghetti monster or Allah or Odin in being the uncaused first cause. 2 Likes |
Re: How Did God Make Himself by Bacteriologist(m): 1:09pm On Nov 25, 2020 |
kingxsamz: Checkmate! ![]() 1 Like |
Re: How Did God Make Himself by Bacteriologist(m): 1:12pm On Nov 25, 2020 |
kingxsamz: I know he does! just trying to play along with im perhaps he can see how using the Kalam's argument is him shooting himself in the foot in what would be a theological suicide ![]() Since all gods and even the more ridiculous ones can be proven using the Kalam's argument. I want to know how he came to the conclusion that his own Jewish imaginary daddy behind the clouds is the actual one...lmfao! This is so easy and fun ![]() 2 Likes |
Re: How Did God Make Himself by Dtruthspeaker: 1:14pm On Nov 25, 2020 |
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Re: How Did God Make Himself by kingxsamz(m): 1:15pm On Nov 25, 2020 |
Bacteriologist: He's been avoiding that question like a plague. ![]() ![]() ![]() 2 Likes |
Re: How Did God Make Himself by Bacteriologist(m): 1:18pm On Nov 25, 2020 |
kingxsamz: I personally prefer universe farting pixies but I think I might reconsider that choice ![]() A black transgender lesbian being an unmoved mover is definitely a more sexier argument. I'm cracked up for real ![]() 2 Likes |
Re: How Did God Make Himself by Bacteriologist(m): 1:22pm On Nov 25, 2020 |
kingxsamz: i don't expect less from someone who is merely regurgitating old and outdated debunked arguments. Such apologists have no mind (hence no arguments) of their own! |
Re: How Did God Make Himself by kingxsamz(m): 1:23pm On Nov 25, 2020 |
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Re: How Did God Make Himself by onlyfacts: 1:47pm On Nov 25, 2020 |
daniddan1999: The answer is simple but overlooked by many. Every living thing on earth that has a brain and their capacity to reason has a "limitation" to what their brain can comprehend. A micro organism may have some intelligence but can never know what an RNA/DNA is. A dog can be intelligent but it can never become a physics professor. Man can be at the peak of intelligence in the realm of earthly animals but his comprehension pales greatly when compared to the entire universe and what lies within it. Man like other animals cannot comprehend all there is to know about the universe cause his reasoning has its limits, it is bound by "physical laws of physics" and by his personal "experiences" and "imaginations". Anything outside of these man cannot comprehend because to him it becomes "unimaginable". He sometimes calls this "unimaginable things" as theories eg. "wormhole", "dark matter that fills space", "multiverse", "God" etc. God falls into this category because man cant directly or proportionately measure or estimate him with precision and accuracy but indirectly like a "wormhole" or "dark matter" they can perceive his existence by the awe and might of his physical universe. So God as a being is far beyond the scope of DIRECT human comprehension because He is not bound by the physical limitations of which man derives all his understanding and comprehension from but INDIRECTLY his creation as a BYPRODUCT of His, can be used to perceive his existence cause they are bound to the physical laws and limitations. 3 Likes |
Re: How Did God Make Himself by Shutupthere: 3:57pm On Nov 25, 2020 |
shadeyinka:Mehn u are intelligent 2 Likes |
Re: How Did God Make Himself by shadeyinka(m): 4:27pm On Nov 25, 2020 |
Bacteriologist:Do you truely believe that which the the FSM is your source? Or The FSM doesn't exist! You have no basis of comparison! |
Re: How Did God Make Himself by shadeyinka(m): 4:28pm On Nov 25, 2020 |
kingxsamz:I don't know where you got that: God is a Spirit! |
Re: How Did God Make Himself by shadeyinka(m): 4:29pm On Nov 25, 2020 |
Dtruthspeaker:Don't be an ostrich. What kind of proof will be sufficient for you? Are you scared? |
Re: How Did God Make Himself by shadeyinka(m): 4:29pm On Nov 25, 2020 |
kingxsamz:? |
Re: How Did God Make Himself by Dtruthspeaker: 4:41pm On Nov 25, 2020 |
shadeyinka: Look at the origin of my post carefully and diligently and see, did I request for anything, or it was in answer to Bacteria? |
Re: How Did God Make Himself by Nobody: 6:01pm On Nov 25, 2020 |
In the beginning, the primordial forces formed two maximally powerful entities, God and Anti-God. As the forces churned within these entities, they became mutually attracted to each other and started an eternal cosmic dance. At T=0, God and Anti-God clashed and obliterated each other in a brilliant explosion (expansion) known as the Big Bang. So, God doesn’t exist because it was in a M.A.D cosmic dance with Anti-God that resulted in creation. That’s why the universe exists. |
Re: How Did God Make Himself by Dtruthspeaker: 6:10pm On Nov 25, 2020 |
Martian: Fail! The question is not whether God Exists or Universe Exist but HOW He Created Himself, that is if it is considered if He Needed to Create Himself in the first place. |
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