kingxsamz:


This their kind of special pleading no be here o.

Bacteriologist:


It's like creating a rule and when the rule works against one, he says "No, it shouldn't apply to me. I created it." lol

Bacteriologist:

The age of the universe isn't necessarily an "origin." It's more of time elapsed after the big bang. Like the big bang is just a reference point for where we started counting time in our reality.

The singularity could have existed 10 times longer than that we may never know.

Bacteriologist:

"BEFORE the universe is an uncaused first cause" is another fallacious logically inconsistent statement. Because if you subscribe to the big bang, time did not exist until the big bang. So "BEFORE" could not exist.

Bacteriologist:

Even at that, you just don't get to claim an uncaused first cause existed before the big bang without a convincing evidence to back that claim up. How do we know such thing did exist "before" the big bang?

The term "uncaused first cause" is just a synonym for special pleading at worst, and word salad at best.

Bacteriologist:


Lastly, the Kalam's cosmological argument despite its pitfalls proves a deist god at best. Every religion out there can use it claim their god is true. All they need to do is to insert the names of their gods into the premises of the argument.

Going a step further to tag a particular theist god to it requires even more evidence and far more stronger arguments and less pre-suppositions and appeals to logical inconsistencies and fallacious presumptions.

Bacteriologist:


Why do I need to argue..all I I require is evidence for your god..Good luck providing what 3 billion+ indoctrinated bible bashers like yourself have failed to do through out history...

kingxsamz:


And I'm also asking you a logical question.
You're the one claiming there's an Uncaused first cause, right?
Now answer my question

Dtruthspeaker:


"all I I require is evidence for your god" See change of Post. If this is your problem then you should not be in this thread!

Dtruthspeaker:


"all I I require is evidence for your god" See change of Post. If this is your problem then you should not be in this thread, for in this thread it is settled that God is in Charge!

shadeyinka:

In other words, the singularity had always existed.
Is it your Uncaused first cause of the Universe?



You are changing the goalpost. If you claimed the question how did God create himself, are you not insinuating that God (if He exists must be before the big bang) or are you saying God came (if He exists at all) after the big bang?

Physical time didn't exist till after the big bang only because there is no scientific means of going backwards in time before the big bang. But it doesn't mean that time didn't exist before the big bang


Check the logic and trace through it carefully
1. Nothing can come out of nothing
2. But things exist
3. Therefore things have come out of something that had always existed.

The thing that had always existed must be UNCAUSED. This Uncaused thing must be the CAUSE of every other thing. This means this Uncaused "thing" is the First Cause of Everything.

The UNCAUSED FIRST CAUSE is just a neutral definition as the primary logical origin of Everything.



I don't care a hoot about Kalam and his thesis
I don't care about what Deists think

However, LOGICALLY, even if you don't want to ascribe the name "God" to the UNCAUSED FIRST CAUSE, there is no denying that the UNCAUSED FIRST CAUSE exist.

This UNCAUSED FIRST CAUSE, could be either an IT or a BEING!

Bacteriologist:


The "uncaused first cause" is a universe creating unicorn..now what

shadeyinka:

If that's your identity for the UNCAUSED FIRST CAUSE. A UNICORN...a horse with a single horn.

At least you admit that such is your SOURCE!

shadeyinka:

So that you know you have been ignored until you are willing to intellectually discuss!

Bacteriologist:



Yeah a universe creating unicorn is the uncaused first cause.. hopefully you don't have a problem with that?

shadeyinka:

Let's assume the UNCAUSED FIRST CAUSE truely exist, with what device/instruments do you think it's data would be acceptable to you?

In other words, what kind of evidence would serve as a suitable proof to you?

Bacteriologist:



Yeah a universe creating unicorn is the uncaused first cause.. hopefully you don't have a problem with that?

shadeyinka:

No!
A universe creating unicorn is YOUR uncaused first cause!

shadeyinka:

No!
A universe creating unicorn is YOUR uncaused first cause!

kingxsamz:


While a universe creating 60 year old white male is your own Uncaused first cause.
Everybody wins.

kingxsamz:


He does actually, because it sounds ridiculous to him.
Since he claims there's an Uncaused first cause, then anyone who believes this can claim this first cause to be anything they believe it is, even a Unicorn.
Well, as for ne, I believe this first cause is a black, transgendered lesbian.

Bacteriologist:


Of course! if there was the tiniest shred of evidence for your god - or any of the 4000+ gods for that matter. The religion section wouldn't exist. There would be no question. But here we are.


Yes god is in charge. The unproven one who also happened to be the one you were born and indoctrinated into..lmao... you bible humping troll .. Until you have evidence for your god stay off my mentions.

Bacteriologist:


I know he does! just trying to play along with im perhaps he can see how using the Kalam's argument is him shooting himself in the foot in what would be a theological suicide

Since all gods and even the more ridiculous ones can be proven using the Kalam's argument. I want to know how he came to the conclusion that his own Jewish imaginary daddy behind the clouds is the actual one ...lmfao! This is so easy and fun

kingxsamz:


I believe this first cause is a black, transgendered lesbian.

kingxsamz:


He's been avoiding that question like a plague.

Bacteriologist:


I personally prefer universe farting pixies but I think I might reconsider that choice

A black transgender lesbian being an unmoved mover is definitely a more sexier argument. I'm cracked up for real

daniddan1999:
As we already know in the book of Genesis, God is the creator of heaven and earth and all living things upon the face of the earth .

And these things include:
Man
Animal
Sun
Land
Light
And lots more, but there is no record as to how God himself came into being.
Please is there anyone that can help us know more about God?

shadeyinka:

If that's your identity for the UNCAUSED FIRST CAUSE. A UNICORN...a horse with a single horn.

At least you admit that such is your SOURCE!

Bacteriologist:


Great. In the same vein, you hopefully wouldn't have a problem with the premise that universe creating unicorns have the same merit as Yahweh or The flying spaghetti monster or Allah or Odin in being the uncaused first cause.

kingxsamz:


While a universe creating 60 year old white male is your own Uncaused first cause.
Everybody wins.

Dtruthspeaker:


I am sure you posted this to me in error!

kingxsamz:


Running away as expected.
when you're ready to answer ny question, let me know.

shadeyinka:

Don't be an ostrich. What kind of proof will be sufficient for you?

Are you scared?

Martian:
In the beginning, the primordial forces formed two maximally powerful entities, God and Anti-God. As the forces churned within these entities, they became mutually attracted to each other and started an eternal cosmic dance. At T=0, God and Anti-God clashed and obliterated each other in a brilliant explosion (expansion) known as the Big Bang.

So, God doesn’t exist because it was in a M.A.D cosmic dance with Anti-God that resulted in creation. That’s why the universe exists.