Dtruthspeaker:


Fail!
The question is not whether God Exists or Universe Exist but HOW He Created Himself, that is if it is considered if He Needed to Create Himself in the first place.

Dtruthspeaker:


I am sure you posted this to me in error!

shadeyinka:

Indeed I posted you in error.
Your were dealing with Bacteriologist: You were quoting him for demanding an evidence for God as a change in goalpost.

So sorry bro!

Martian:


Primordial forces created God.....and Anti-God. How can he create himself?!!! Primordial forces are eternal, spaceless, timeless, and immaterially essential. They are the uncreated energy that permeate existence.

Dtruthspeaker:


I know brother, it was due to your hatred for those haters of God, so I was unaffected.

kingxsamz:


He does actually, because it sounds ridiculous to him.
Since he claims there's an Uncaused first cause, then anyone who believes this can claim this first cause to be anything they believe it is, even a Unicorn.
Well, as for ne, I believe this first cause is a black, transgendered lesbian.

kingxsamz:


He does actually, because it sounds ridiculous to him.
Since he claims there's an Uncaused first cause, then anyone who believes this can claim this first cause to be anything they believe it is, even a Unicorn.
Well, as for ne, I believe this first cause is a black, transgendered lesbian.

shadeyinka:

A COMPOUND FOOL is he who claims as true what he doesn't believe!

LordTheus:

Why do you seem so convinced that he doesn't believe what he says?

shadeyinka:

Then he should come out to truly say with affirmation that he believes what he had said: then, he'll not be a compound fool but one speaking from his conviction.

LordTheus:

If you choose to believe in outlandish shit, I don't think "speaking from your conviction" can make you any less of a "compound fool". Then again, I don't know what qualifies someone to be a "compound fool" for you

shadeyinka:

A COMPOUND FOOL is he who claims as true what he doesn't believe!

shadeyinka:

Then he is a COMPOUND FOOL for believing what he knows is not true

shadeyinka:

A force cannot self exist. A force ALWAYS require a source.
How can a force create God when it cannot self exist.

If you know any kind of force that can survive without a source, you might want to give me an example.

RALPHOW:
We are just like an ANT before God,
Can you imagine ANTS asking you such question
who created you? before obey your instruction
It's non of ANTS Business,
With your finger or toes you can squeeze life out of the ant.

LordTheus:

If you know something is true, is there still any need to "believe"?

I mean, I'm sure that to "know" and to "believe" are two separate concepts.

You believe Yahweh exists, but do you know that he exists?

shadeyinka:

In other words, the singularity had always existed.
Is it your Uncaused first cause of the Universe?



You are changing the goalpost. If you claimed the question how did God create himself, are you not insinuating that God (if He exists must be before the big bang) or are you saying God came (if He exists at all) after the big bang?

Physical time didn't exist till after the big bang only because there is no scientific means of going backwards in time before the big bang. But it doesn't mean that time didn't exist before the big bang


Check the logic and trace through it carefully
1. Nothing can come out of nothing
2. But things exist
3. Therefore things have come out of something that had always existed.

The thing that had always existed must be UNCAUSED. This Uncaused thing must be the CAUSE of every other thing. This means this Uncaused "thing" is the First Cause of Everything.

The UNCAUSED FIRST CAUSE is just a neutral definition as the primary logical origin of Everything.



I don't care a hoot about Kalam and his thesis
I don't care about what Deists think

However, LOGICALLY, even if you don't want to ascribe the name "God" to the UNCAUSED FIRST CAUSE, there is no denying that the UNCAUSED FIRST CAUSE exist.

This UNCAUSED FIRST CAUSE, could be either an IT or a BEING!

Martian:


The forces are spaceless and timeless, therefore uncaused. They do not require a source as they are the uncaused source. They are self existent and self sustaining.

The primordial creative forces survive and thrive in their self contained nature independent of a source. They are eternal.

shadeyinka:

I wish you can give an example of a single force that fulfils this characteristic of not having a SOURCE.

Secondly, you have a contradiction: Forces are inanimate, unintelligent and unconscious therefore, they cannot become a living being. If they are, then they are God and could not have created God

kingxsamz:


My own Uncaused first cause is a white transgendered lesbian... Why do you have a problem with that?

shadeyinka:

I wish you can give an example of a single force that fulfils this characteristic of not having a SOURCE.

Secondly, you have a contradiction: Forces are inanimate, unintelligent and unconscious therefore, they cannot become a living being. If they are, then they are God and could not have created God

LordTheus:

If you choose to believe in outlandish shit, I don't think "speaking from your conviction" can make you any less of a "compound fool". Then again, I don't know what qualifies someone to be a "compound fool" for you

kingxsamz:


My own Uncaused first cause is a white transgendered lesbian... Why do you have a problem with that?

shadeyinka:

If that's your believe and it is a true statement from you, then there is no problem (you have only expressed your inadequacy)
However
If that's your believe and it is NOT a true statement from you, then you are a COMPOUND FOOL!


Conversely,
If you do not believe a white transgendered lesbian is the creator and this is a true statement from you,(you have only expressed yourself to the limit of your knowledge), hence there is no problem

Bacteriologist:


I know he does! just trying to play along with im perhaps he can see how using the Kalam's argument is him shooting himself in the foot in what would be a theological suicide

Since all gods and even the more ridiculous ones can be proven using the Kalam's argument. I want to know how he came to the conclusion that his own Jewish imaginary daddy behind the clouds is the actual one...lmfao! This is so easy and fun

kingxsamz:


Running away as expected.
when you're ready to answer ny question, let me know.

Bacteriologist:


It's like creating a rule and when the rule works against one, he says "No, it shouldn't apply to me. I created it." lol

kingxsamz:




This guy sha... I don't have a position on any of the two as it cannot be proven.
When you're ready to answer my question, let me know.

kingxsamz:


Oh, it could be? So. You're not sure?
What if this Uncaused first cause is the Flying Spaghetti Monster?

And how did you arrive at the conclusion that it is a "He" ?

kingxsamz:


Why are you stressing over this and why do you keep capitalizing the "compound fool" like it makes your point valid?
You believe your own is a 60 year old white bearded male while I believe mine to be a white transgendered lesbian, Bacteriologist believes it's a unicorn. Why my own con dey give you headache? Nawa.

HellVictorinho:

The source of a force is the object which exerts the force or the field surrounding an object!!!!!!!
But the object is a group of particles that can't exist alongside NOTHING!!!!!!!!
Time is just a quantity of the living things's exposure to SOMETHING else!!!!!
Time lasts for as long as an exposure lasts!!!!!!
But it's still impossible for NOTHING to exist!!!!!

HellVictorinho:

Stop the unnecessary extension of
grammar!!!!!
It's impossible for NOTHING to exist!!!!!!

Martian(m): Quoted Post
In the beginning, the primordial forces formed two maximally powerful entities, God and Anti-God. As the forces churned within these entities, they became mutually attracted to each other and started an eternal cosmic dance. At T=0, God and Anti-God clashed and obliterated each other in a brilliant explosion (expansion) known as the Big Bang.
So, God doesn’t exist because it was in a M.A.D cosmic dance with Anti-God that resulted in creation. That’s why the universe exists.

shadeyinka:

.....
Check the logic and trace through it carefully
1. Nothing can come out of nothing
2. But things exist
3. Therefore things have come out of something that had always existed.

The thing that had always existed must be UNCAUSED. This Uncaused thing must be the CAUSE of every other thing. This means this Uncaused "thing" is the First Cause of Everything.

The UNCAUSED FIRST CAUSE is just a neutral definition of the Primary Logical Origin of Everything.
....