shadeyinka:

I wish you can give an example of a single force that fulfils this characteristic of not having a SOURCE.

Secondly, you have a contradiction: Forces are inanimate, unintelligent and unconscious therefore, they cannot become a living being. If they are, then they are God and could not have created God

shadeyinka:



My argument was that a force CANNOT self exist: it needs a SOURCE which means that, that source will be the Fundamental Creative Entity GOD and not just forces.

Secondly, I dont know why you got the notion that I said or mean that "It is possible for NOTHING to exist!"
Check out my quote in response to Bacteriologist:


The fundamental principle was that there was an Uncaused First Cause who is the origin of everything else: Hence it is stupidity to ask for how the Uncaused First cause created himself from nothing.

Martian:


The fundamental principle is that an uncaused first cause doesn’t explain anything. Forces are self existent and we KNOW t?hey exist. You don’t have to “believe” or have “faith” in gravity.

Martian:


We feel, observe, and use one of these fundamental uncaused forces. Scientists call it “Gravity”. If you do some reading, you’ll see that this force is not fully understood even though it keeps the earth revolving around the sun and keeps satellites that your phone use in orbit.

Saying forces are inanimate is quite arrogant and ignorant because you don’t even fully understand them. However, you have evidence as shown above unlike this “God” of yours. These forces are independent of creation but they also sustain creation.

Life comes in many forms. You can call some animate and others inanimate, but it’s life nonetheless. Animate life and inanimate life also coexist and the animate can also be part of the inanimate. Your idea of God and it’s nature is limited and erroneous that’s why you can’t think beyond man’s concept of “life”.

Example, the earth is alive. Proof? Contrast this planet with the dead planets in our solar system, especially my home planet.

shadeyinka:

First, gravity is not a Force, it is a FIELD!

Can you please give one example of an animate force force you know.

You muddle up half and erroneous information in trying to look sophisticated.

Inanimate life!?
I am hearing that for the first time. Do you have an example in mind?

Life is defined by ability to take up essential nutrients for growth AND reproduce species of the same kind.

You actually amuse me:
You just want to explain away God by replacing Him with some other fanciful words. Continue!

shadeyinka:

First, gravity is not a Force, it is a FIELD!

Can you please give one example of an animate force force you know.

You muddle up half and erroneous information in trying to look sophisticated.

Inanimate life!?
I am hearing that for the first time. Do you have an example in mind?

Life is defined by ability to take up essential nutrients for growth AND reproduce species of the same kind.

You actually amuse me:
You just want to explain away God by replacing Him with some other fanciful words. Continue!

shadeyinka:


You actually amuse me:
You just want to explain away God by replacing Him with some other fanciful words. Continue!

shadeyinka:

Either keep quiet and stop displaying your ignorance for all to see.

I therefore challenge you:
Give just ONE example of a FORCE that doesn't have a SOURCE?

Martian:


Gravity.

Where is the evidence of your God that can’t be used as evidence of Ubangiji or Zeus.

Martian:


So this God of yours is a male? Sounds very human.

https://www.etymonline.com/word/god

also God; Old English god "supreme being, deity; the Christian God; image of a god; godlike person," from Proto-Germanic *guthan (source also of Old Saxon, Old Frisian, Dutch god, Old High German got, German Gott, Old Norse guð, Gothic guþ), which is of uncertain origin; perhaps from PIE *ghut- "that which is invoked" (source also of Old Church Slavonic zovo "to call," Sanskrit huta- "invoked," an epithet of Indra), from root *gheu(e)- "to call, invoke." The notion could be "divine entity summoned to a sacrifice."

shadeyinka:

Gravity is NOT a force it is a FIELD!

Objects in a gravitational field experience a force.

Martian:


I’m not trying to look sophisticated. I gave an example of the fundamental force and it’s effects I gave examples of forms of “life”. You haven’t given any example of God and you say I amuse you.

I guess you are sophisticated because of your version of kalam nonsensical argument. “Everything that begins to exist has a cause” but God didn’t “begin to exist“ because it’s the unmoved mover, the uncaused cause, the unactualized actualizer“

Even if we go by your limited definition of life, why isn’t the source of those nutrients and species alive? Why isn’t the earth alive?

Martian:
Gravity is our limited understanding of one of those uncaused forces.



https://starchild.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/StarChild/questions/question30.html

We can define what it is as a field of influence, because we know how it operates in the universe. And some scientists think that it is made up of particles called gravitons which travel at the speed of light. However, if we are to be honest, we do not know what gravity "is" in any fundamental way - we only know how it behaves.

Gravity is a force of attraction that exists between any two masses, any two bodies, any two particles. Gravity is not just the attraction between objects and the Earth. It is an attraction that exists between all objects, everywhere in the universe. Sir Isaac Newton (1642 -- 1727) discovered that a force is required to change the speed or direction of movement of an object. He also realized that the force called "gravity" must make an apple fall from a tree, or humans and animals live on the surface of our spinning planet without being flung off. Furthermore, he deduced that gravity forces exist between all objects.

Martian:


Gravity is a force of attraction that exists between any two masses, any two bodies, any two particles. Gravity is not just the attraction between objects and the Earth. It is an attraction that exists between all objects, everywhere in the universe. Sir Isaac Newton (1642 -- 1727) discovered that a force is required to change the speed

Image123:


How did you come to the conclusion that God is not the actual one?

shadeyinka:

Just like s ship is a FEMALE!?
And a country is a WOMAN!?

Think!

And common sense didn't tell you that Godis just a TITLE (for the creator) like King, President, Pope etc.

shadeyinka:

You are still peddling an error. Gravity isn't a force, it is a field. Gravitational force is the pull or attraction between masses. The distortion of the gravitational field leads to an attraction between them.

shadeyinka:

In this respect, what happens to gravitational
force without the presence of masses?

Martian:


It exists as one of the eternal fundamental uncaused forces.

Martian:


I quoted NASA while you pull stuff out ya ass.

Martian:


Pronouns for objects and concepts are decided by cultures and society based on their characteristics hence a ship can be a female and a country can be a female. In the that same vein, a patriarchal culture like the Hebrew culture that created your god would give it a male pronoun. A more matriarchal culture would have a female god. I can give you an example.

So God is a title. Is it like a boxing championship?

Let’s get ready to rumblllllleeeeeeee!!!

Tonight on PBC on Fox, we have the WBC,WBA,WBC Cruiserweight God title on the line.

In the red corner, coming in at 200 lbs, we have reigning Levant Cruiserweight champion YAAAAHHHWEHHHHHHHH!!

In the blue corner, coming in at a Solid 205 lbs, the reigning, defending WBC, WBA, WBC Cruiserweight God, the randy Greek from Mt. Olympus, ZEEEEEEUUUUUUUUSSSSSSSS!

shadeyinka:

Use my definition for LIFE and test!

Does the earth reproduce?
Is the sun Alive?

Physical Life is defined by ability to take up essential nutrients for growth AND reproduce species of the same kind.

shadeyinka:

Your display of ignorance is appalling!

Martian:


Gravity is a force of attraction that exists between any two masses, any two bodies, any two particles. Gravity is not just the attraction between objects and the Earth. It is an attraction that exists between all objects, everywhere in the universe. Sir Isaac Newton (1642 -- 1727) discovered that a force is required to change the speed

Martian:


Gravity.

Where is the evidence of your God that can’t be used as evidence of Ubangiji or Zeus.

shadeyinka:

NASA for kids!

LOL!

Martian:


Your ignorance and arrogance are appalling. Humble yourself child.

Martian:


So? Is the information wrong? Would you accept NASA for adults?

shadeyinka:

Is it difficult giving just one example of a force that doesn't have a source?

Martian:


Does the earth reproduce? Ask yourself if you are a product of the earth.

Stars die. Our sun will die. For now, it lives. The delicate dance between the sun and one of its descendants, the earth, is life.

shadeyinka:

Find an Advanced Physics source please!

shadeyinka:

Reproduction is about duplication or bringing forth offsprings of the same species.