shadeyinka:

LOL!

shadeyinka:

If you want to go by the Newtonian definition, then Gravity is Not fundamental as it makes MASSES more fundamental. Without masses, no gravitational force will exist!

Martian:


I’m not going by Newton or Einstein. I’m going by the fundamental truth about the nature of the universe and existence. The uncaused sources.

Newton and Einstein perspectives are only physical in nature. This is about the Supranatural.

Keep in mind, Force is akin to God. It’s a “title”.

Martian:


And the earth has brought forth countless species

shadeyinka:

If You used the Newtonian definition then you
should be ready to adopt the implications

LordTheus:

Why the Bleep do you guys always feel the need to reverse the burden of proof?

You guys claim that everything that began to exist has a cause (Backwards causality already refutes this problematic premise but lets just go along with it for the sake of my next point).

You then state that there must be an uncaused cause (THIS IS WHERE WE LEAVE IT AT. IF WE ARRIVE AT THE CONCLUSION THAT THERE IS AN ULTIMATE CAUSAL AGENT, WE STILL HAVE NO WAY OF UNDERSTANDING THE TRUE NATURE OF THIS AGENT. THE UNCAUSED CAUSE COULD BE ANYTHING).

Since you are the proponents for an uncaused cause, don't you think the burden of proof should be on you to tell us how you got to know that this uncaused cause is the Christian deity?

shadeyinka:

This isn't reproduction of you know what it even means!

shadeyinka:



I am quite sure you didn't read my posts nor the preceding arguments before this your comment as it started with a response to Martian who belive that the origin of everything including God was these "primordial forces"



My argument was that a force CANNOT self exist: it needs a SOURCE which means that, that source will be the Fundamental Creative Entity GOD and not just forces.

Secondly, I dont know why you got the notion that I said or mean that "It is possible for NOTHING to exist!"
Check out my quote in response to Bacteriologist:


The fundamental principle was that there was an Uncaused First Cause who is the origin of everything else: Hence it is stupidity to ask for how the Uncaused First cause created himself from nothing.

shadeyinka:

That's your view. I do NOT believe your insinuation neither do I subscribe to it's truthfulness!.

Since you've put your statement of BELIEF in black and white:
If of a TRUTH you don't subscribe to the truthfulness that your creator is a white transgendered lesbian and for Bacteriologist it's a unicorn BUT you BELIEVE what you know as UNTRUE, then both of you are the chief's of FOOLS!

Martian:


I’m not going by Newton or Einstein. I’m going by the fundamental truth about the nature of the universe and existence. The uncaused sources.

Newton and Einstein perspectives are only physical in nature. This is about the Supranatural.

Keep in mind, Force is akin to God. It’s a “title”.

LordTheus:

Why the Bleep do you guys always feel the need to reverse the burden of proof?

You guys claim that everything that began to exist has a cause (Backwards causality already refutes this problematic premise but lets just go along with it for the sake of my next point).

You then state that there must be an uncaused cause (THIS IS WHERE WE LEAVE IT AT. IF WE ARRIVE AT THE CONCLUSION THAT THERE IS AN ULTIMATE CAUSAL AGENT, WE STILL HAVE NO WAY OF UNDERSTANDING THE TRUE NATURE OF THIS AGENT. THE UNCAUSED CAUSE COULD BE ANYTHING).

Since you are the proponents for an uncaused cause, don't you think the burden of proof should be on you to tell us how you got to know that this uncaused cause is the Christian deity?

kingxsamz:


Lol, that's what that clown up there have been refusing to answer.
Since he claims there's an Uncaused first cause, he should tell us how he arrived at the conclusion that this first cause has human attributes, instead he's dancing around in confusion.

Image123:


After you prof. Why do you find it a "burden" to explain yourself, but find it easy and natural to demand from us?

Image123:


After you prof. Why do you find it a "burden" to explain yourself, but find it easy and natural to demand from us?

Martian:


No need to. Beginner or advanced, human understanding of gravity is limited because of its nature.

It is still a force whether you agree or not.

Martian:


It is reproduction if you know the fundamental nature of the sources and their emanations in our reality. O, ye babe in the woods!

HellVictorinho:

Everything else is actually SOMETHING else while the so-called origin is also SOMETHING!!!!!!!!
But there can't be NOTHING alongside both of them!!!!!!!!
Do you understand?

kingxsamz:


Omo, this one pain you.
Rest abeg.
That's the truth I subscribe to.
Why are you writing epistles, coloring words and calling people fools?

HellVictorinho:

ANYTHING can exist in infinite forms!!!!!!!
Words like "natural" and "supranatural" are just ways of describing things!!!!!!
But I don't believe in the supranatural because it's impossible for NOTHING to exist!!!!!
In other words, NATURE/ANYTHING itself has no specific dimension so it can't be superseded/limited !!!!!!!!!!!
The universe is just another form in which NATURE/ANYTHING can exist!!!!!!!!

Martian:


I didn’t so I adopt no implications.

daniddan1999:
As we already know in the book of Genesis, God is the creator of heaven and earth and all living things upon the face of the earth .

And these things include:
Man
Animal
Sun
Land
Light
And lots more, but there is no record as to how God himself came into being.
Please is there anyone that can help us know more about God?

shadeyinka:

I didn't call anyone a fool. I only made a statement of fact that he who choses to BELIEVE that which he knows as UNTRUE is a compound fool (for want of a strong adjective)

hahn:


Man created god

kingxsamz:


Rest bro, you go dey alright.

Magnoliaa:


Because they are not making any claims, remember? Lol. It's a slippery, tricking thing and ... I think I remember someone (I'm not sure if it's shadeyinka himself) talking about how to go about that. Ask a direct, in-your-face question about THEIR own personal beliefs. They always want to poke holes in yours and all you claim, hiding behind it and saying 'they don't know.'

LordTheus:

Theistic dishonesty at its finest..

If I may ask, what does "OUR own personal beliefs" have to do with your own claims that a deity exists?

LordTheus:

Theistic dishonesty at its finest..

If I may ask, what does "OUR own personal beliefs" have to do with your own claims that a deity exists?

HellVictorinho:

ANYTHING can exist in infinite forms!!!!!!!
Words like "natural" and "supranatural" are just ways of describing things!!!!!!
But I don't believe in the supranatural because it's impossible for NOTHING to exist!!!!!
In other words, NATURE/ANYTHING itself has no specific dimension so it can't be superseded/limited !!!!!!!!!!!
The universe is just another form in which NATURE/ANYTHING can exist!!!!!!!!

shadeyinka:

..an atom is the smallest indivisible part of an element crew!
LOL!

shadeyinka:

Confusion expresso!

shadeyinka:

You did. Newtonian definition of gravity is in terms of two masses attracting each other

Martian:


Your favorite coffee?