shadeyinka:

No, Your nature!

shadeyinka:

Believe is based on your inadequacy not on the FACT or TRUTH!
Your inadequacy is a function of the depth of your knowledge and experience. It doesn't change the fact!

HellVictorinho:

Rubbish!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You also believe in what you know!!!!!!!!!
The fact remains that it's impossible for NOTHING to exist while ANYTHING can exist in infinite forms!!!!!!!!
You get exposed to any of those forms by chance!!!!!!!!

shadeyinka:

You are the one misunderstanding me. In plane language, God had always existed as it is impossible to bring forth something out of nothing.

Martian:


It’s ironic that when he and other Christians start with their apologetics, they always end up describing their God as nothing i.e spaceless, timeless and immaterial.

HellVictorinho:

They actually define it as SOMETHING/SOMEONE that created the Universe with NOTHING!!!!!
But that's impossible because it's impossible for NOTHING to exist!!!!!!

shadeyinka:

It's just a mere statement!

But it's also true. Man had always created his own gods
1. From Materials
2. From Himself
3. From others

This doesn't mean the real God doesn't exist. It only means that there are COUNTERFEIT Gods!

shadeyinka:

I don't know where you got that: God is a Spirit!

shadeyinka:

He who lives in a glass house...LOL!

davien:
Actually nothing doesn't exist in the way people think. What humans think of nothing is mostly the lack of an aspect or property of a something.

Lawrence kraus dealt with this issue in-depth years ago and I enjoyed his seminar on the topic, I think it's called "why something exists instead of nothing".

What is a nothing? For a nothing to exist, things have to exist to quantify it as lacking those things and if those things exist there can never be a nothing. Things become less complex to reach a ground state but never become inherently nothing.

Martian:


No one can really fathom “nothing” because the state and the idea are both impossible. The best people can do is imagine a dark vacuum but the vacuum is still something and darkness is just the absence of any light source.

The only people who are experts in nothing are theologians. Especially the christian theologians. Creatio ex nihilo a.k.a in the beginning God said abracadabra and there was light.

Martian:


That’d be you. With your uncaused cause of a god. I’ve just shown you how you come across.

So, congratulations Confusio Expresso

Hell, my crazy ideas are more cogent than your God because I have evidence of Force. Gravity.


I demand evidence of your God.

HellVictorinho:

You believe God and the Universe exist alongside NOTHING!!!!!!!!!
But that's pure nonsense!!!!!!!

me. In plane language, God had always existed as it is impossible to bring forth something out of nothing.

Martian:


Counterfeit numero uno is yours.

shadeyinka2:

What's then the real one as you seem to know the counterfeit ones.

Can a counterfeit exist without an original?
LOL!

shadeyinka2:

Crazy ideas they are no wonder they are warped and incoherent!

davien:
Lol, you are wrong there buddy. The people who're experts are physicists.

Christian Theologians are by definition subjective due to their beliefs and moreso do not study matter objectively in the physical world like physicists.

Martian:


My ideas are still more coherent than yours. But that’s not saying much.

shadeyinka2:

LOL!

Martian:


My ideas are still more coherent than yours. But that’s not saying much.

Isnt the rapist God your particular diety? The uncaused caused who raped some Jewish child in other to give birth to himself and sacrifice himself to himself to forgive you because a talking snake convinced a clone to eat a fruit in a garden.........

shadeyinka:

It's just a mere statement!

But it's also true. Man had always created his own gods
1. From Materials
2. From Himself
3. From others

This doesn't mean the real God doesn't exist. It only means that there are COUNTERFEIT Gods!

shadeyinka2:

I sometimes wonder if your problem is difficulty of comprehension or obstinacy steeped in ignorance.

You are the one misunderstanding

I wonder where you read that
"You believe God and the Universe exist alongside NOTHING"

Read again!

HellVictorinho:

Pure nonsense!!!!!!
You can't state what God used to create the Universe but you're telling me God exists and God created this and that!!!!!!!
You're indirectly telling me God used NOTHING!!!!!
Furk your inability to assess your own goddamn statements !!!!!

Tamaratonye5:
Martian, Bacteriologist, LordTheus et Al

I must commend you guys, I have become rather weary of back and forth exchanges with theists.

The impenetrable vague nature of theist notion is identical only to the implausibility in their baffling comprehension of reality and activities which even they confess to be beyond mere human knowledge

NOT ONCE has Dtruthspeaker, Jesusjnr2020, Maximus69 and the rest of their squad of misfit apologists ever displayed a desire to proffer an intelligent mature response to any question positioned to them about their faith. Rather than solve easy questions or make clear their claims, like all excellent instructors have to, they reply with indignation to the dearth of submissive recognition to their statements which they dogmatically hold as totally inerrant or as sacred capitalised gnostic idealisations beyond query or explanation.....”

shadeyinka2:

All I have told you is that God had ALWAYS being as the Uncaused First Cause!
Is that difficult to comprehend?

Something cannot come out of nothing
If somethings exist, it means there was always something. Your bias would not allow you to process this

Tamaratonye5:
Martian, Bacteriologist, LordTheus et Al

I must commend you guys, I have become rather weary of back and forth exchanges with theists.


I’m reminded of the quote, I accept as true with from Mark Twain: “Never wrestle a pig, you’ll best get dirty, and the pig might enjoy it.”

Bacteriologist:


Your compliments are well noted, Tamarantonye.

I agree it is a huge task bantering with people who have resigned the use of common sense. It is a neck wrecking task trying to reason with adults whose mental capacity are complete ship wrecks no thanks to wholesale brainwashing, dogma and childhood indoctrination.

As hard as it seems, I take solace in the fact that there are religious people whose minds are not nearly as damaged and totally decimated by yampy religious bullshitery. Such people may be seeking answers to the questions that normally rational minds would ask about indoctrinated beliefs.

My discussions with apologists is not to win, per say, but to make other theists on the fence see, first-hand, why religion is a total misnomer and how it brings out the worst in people.

The conversations I read some 3 years ago slowly helped me shed that skin of stupidity and irrationality religion clothed me since I was born. I believe it can do the same for few more people. We must not relent in engaging primitive religious minds. At least I can speak for myself on that.


I, for one, have missed your quite resourceful rebuttals to theist propositions in this section. I have to confess I took an anonymous visit to your profile a few days back. I'm glad you are not too far away from here. Cheers.

HellVictorinho:

Did you know that it's not advisable to be an atheist in Nigeria?
The more religious you are, the better your chances of being treated as part of the society.
Therefore,any religious person that loses faith in whatever God also has to be careful as he or she can also be regarded as unemployable or as a lunatic, actually.
As a result of this and other things,I think life is an absurdity.
So,people like me await death in whatever inevitable manner.

Bacteriologist:


It was also not advisable to believe the earth was round at a time to prevent being ostracized from society. Many people were alienated from the society or even killed (in the case of Galileo and the catholic church) for daring to "think freely" and away from the common accepted beliefs of the society.

The fear of society is not enough reason to continue to believe in absurd and batshit crazy claims. The argumentum ad populum fallacy exists because people are not perfect thinkers. And many people believing in something does not necessarily make it true.

That said, it can be easier to join the crowd especially when it's a fanatic environment to avoid dangerous situations. I play safe when I'm in public spaces. But I think it's becoming less common for people to be (physically) persecuted for thinking freely.

Although, I don't see how that has to do with what Tamara and I were discussing tho, or the OP. Why do you like talking off point?