Akinbahm:


Them no really sweet like that bro it's just an upgrade on Emere ball playing pattern.

Huh? That pattern Arteta played when he started was 10x better than what we're playing now.
It's better to go back to that pattern then work our improvement from there, than to do this present pattern that's torturing us now.

Jodera:
Huh? That pattern Arteta played when he started was 10x better than what we're playing now.
It's better to go back to that pattern then work our improvement from there, than to do this present pattern that's torturing us now.

Ozil was playing then

sod09:

Ozil was playing then

Then he should incorporate an Am na.
Shey Willian played Am against Sheffield and it tried a little..

Let him play there na, instead of the Willian to be wasting on the wings.

While saka and Nelson Mann the wings

Jodera:
Yea... But I believe he should work on his attack more than just giving up about it.

I mean, these were the same team minus ozil(and more ) we used wen he took over arsenal and we were playing very good football. Why can't we go back... Esp now that we have Gabriel and Tierney at our back line.

At the start We played good football against

Chelsea... Lost 2-1
Man u.. Won 2-0
Newcastle .. Won 4-0
West ham... Won 1-0
Burnley, Sheffield and Norwich.. We drew.

Yet we played good football with the Luiz and mustafi. With mostly saka(kolasinac) and Amn and bellerin manning the FB.

Why then did we have better defenders now and he's afraid and overly cautious?

It's not fair na

It's the same pattern he has been playing na, back 3, wing backs, double pivot midfield, 2 wingers and one CF. The issue is that pattern has been found out and so even though he has better personnel, it's not enough.

The fact that he lacks an AM makes his options very limited. Against Leeds he tried Willock, in the AM role similar to what he does in Europa, but Willock lacked confidence in that match. The best option for now is Saka but that will also mean losing a viable option for winger.

Willian will need to reinvent himself to play that role.

I have following Mkhitaryan this season at Roma, and boy has really improved.

Jodera:
Then he should incorporate an Am na. Shey Willian played Am against Sheffield and it tried a little..
Let him play there na, instead of the Willian to be wasting on the wings.
While saka and Nelson Mann the wings

is willian creative ?
i will rather see leno play that AM position than willian to be honest

Jodera:
Huh? That pattern Arteta played when he started was 10x better than what we're playing now.
It's better to go back to that pattern then work our improvement from there, than to do this present pattern that's torturing us now.

Would you rather Arterta attack and get cricket scores like 3-2 wins 2-2 draws, 1-4 loss, 3-3,/draw, 4-2 wins against midtable and low teams. OR play cautious football and keep result tight at 1-0, 2-1 and relying on sit back/counter against big teams?..

Arteta to me, wants points,wins and trophies than entertaining football as that will keep him in job.

Spy360:

It's the same pattern he has been playing na, back 3, wing backs, double pivot midfield, 2 wingers and one CF. The issue is that pattern has been found out and so even though he has better personnel, it's not enough.

The fact that he lacks an AM makes his options very limited. Against Leeds he tried Willock, in the AM role similar to what he does in Europa, but Willock lacked confidence in that match. The best option for now is Saka but that will also mean losing a viable option for winger.

Willian will need to reinvent himself to play that role.

I have following Mkhitaryan this season at Roma, and boy has really improved.

No, at the beginning of his tenure(before the corona enforced break), he didn't start with 3 at the back oo.

His formation was mostly 4231... With ozil at no10 position.(Am)
It was after the Brighton game(we lost 2-1) that he started using 343.


I thought we've sold mkhi... Anyways serie A is a slow paced league. I won't look much into that.

Moreover, Willian played that Am role against Sheffield (2nd half) and that's the only time I can remember playing a game that we pegged back our opponents and created decent chances. The first half of that same match(against Sheffield) was as dire as our normal matches this season.
It's better willian play that Am and saka play the wings.

kodded:
is willian creative ?

i will rather see leno play that AM position than willian to be honest

Lol... I've seen willian played there this season against Sheffield and he wasn't bad, heck our game improved sef. It won't be bad to try him out there again... At least, let him don't be totally useless to us.

Fkhalifa:

Would you rather Arterta attack and get cricket scores like 3-2 wins 2-2 draws, 1-4 loss, 3-3,/draw, 4-2 wins against midtable and low teams. OR play cautious football and keep result tight at 1-0, 2-1 and relying on sit back/counter against big teams?..

Arteta to me, wants points,wins and trophies than entertaining football as that will keep him in job.

One thing with entertaining football is that, once your team is settled with the system, you can easily resolve your defence(if your defence isn't strong enough). Liverpool did it, Chelsea done it now(tho still not certified, we'll wait till this season ends to know how far).

Even Wenger created the system too, but failed to strengthen his defence which was why he was underachieving in the league.

What I'm just saying is that Arteta should try and create attacking system for us to build on(that's what big team does), especially as we have good defence. These his type of "defence first approach" won't take us anywhere, as it'll take away the fear factor the we once had against even small teams. And to be sincere, that's not sustainable for a big club, esp a club like ours.

Jodera:
One thing with entertaining football is that, once your team is settled with the system, you can easily resolve your defence(if your defence isn't strong enough). Liverpool did it, Chelsea done it now(tho still not certified, we'll wait till this season ends to know how far).

Even Wenger created the system too, but failed to strengthen his defence which was why he was underachieving in the league.

What I'm just saying is that Arteta should try and create attacking system for us to build on(that's what big team does), especially as we have good defence. These his type of "defence first approach" won't take us anywhere, as it'll take away the fear factor the we once had against even small teams. And to be sincere, that's not sustainable for a big club, esp a club like ours.

Then that takes us back to what I used to say Here, The entire front 4 needs to be moved on including Auba..I'm sorry its my opinion.

A Sanchez like is needed at LW, one who can track back, win balls back, start attack, run and delete players on the way with fast dribblings, cuts and shoot, arrive in the box, exchange fast passes with CF,LB and AM with a good shooting power and energy to burn...

A Douglas Costa,Robben,Di maria, or fast paced Oxlade,Adama Traore is needed at RW to break teams down, cut and shoot.

An AM like Carzola,Hleb,Iniesta,Debruyne..who will not only rely on killer pass to create, but run at defence, take players on, always ready to receive ball and progress it, shoots far and near goal post, arrive in box and exchange passes with wingers, CF and full backs.

Then an hardworking CF who won't rely on tap ins, one who will drop deep or to the flanks to create space or individual goals.

Failure to get this means Arsenal will continue to be a midtable team and play ugly football no matter who the club hires as coach.

Arsenal do not need to spend £70M to get these players, just get good scouts who've got eyes like those who saw Hleb,Rosciky,Sagna,Maddisom,Kante,Mahrez etc.

Fkhalifa:

Then that takes us back to what I used to say Here, The entire front 4 needs to be moved on including Auba..I'm sorry its my opinion.

A Sanchez like is needed at LW, one who can track back, win balls back, start attack, run and delete players on the way with fast dribblings, cuts and shoot, arrive in the box, exchange fast passes with CF,LB and AM with a good shooting power and energy to burn...

A Douglas Costa,Robben,Di maria, or fast paced Oxlade,Adama Traore is needed at RW to break teams down, cut and shoot.

An AM like Carzola,Hleb,Iniesta,Debruyne..who will not only rely on killer pass to create, but run at defence, take players on, always ready to receive ball and progress it, shoots far and near goal post, arrive in box and exchange passes with wingers, CF and full backs.

Then an hardworking CF who won't rely on tap ins, one who will drop deep or to the flanks to create space or individual goals.

Failure to get this means Arsenal will continue to be a midtable team and play ugly football no matter who the club hires as coach.

Arsenal do not need to spend £70M to get these players, just get good scouts who've got eyes like those who saw Hleb,Rosciky,Sagna,Maddisom,Kante,Mahrez etc.

You're spot on in what you wrote

All what you wrote is what we're lacking, and if we can just get them, then we're really ready to contend for the title.

But as Blueray would say(and I agree with him), all those signings will take like 2 seasons or more to get it done.

Jodera:
No, at the beginning of his tenure(before the corona enforced break), he didn't start with 3 at the back oo.

His formation was mostly 4231... With ozil at no10 position.(Am)
It was after the Brighton game(we lost 2-1) that he started using 343.


I thought we've sold mkhi... Anyways serie A is a slow paced league. I won't look much into that.

Moreover, Willian played that Am role against Sheffield (2nd half) and that's the only time I can remember playing a game that we pegged back our opponents and created decent chances. The first half of that same match(against Sheffield) was as dire as our normal matches this season.
It's better willian play that Am and saka play the wings.

You are right but I meant after the covid19 break, when the issue of Ozil started and he had no other AM, the formation he used to shine against Chelsea, Liverpool and City.

Fkhalifa:

Would you rather Arterta attack and get cricket scores like 3-2 wins 2-2 draws, 1-4 loss, 3-3,/draw, 4-2 wins against midtable and low teams. OR play cautious football and keep result tight at 1-0, 2-1 and relying on sit back/counter against big teams?..

Arteta to me, wants points,wins and trophies than entertaining football as that will keep him in job.

You cant defend and counter against smaller teams. They will oblige you and play 0-0.

Jodera:
One thing with entertaining football is that, once your team is settled with the system, you can easily resolve your defence(if your defence isn't strong enough). Liverpool did it, Chelsea done it now(tho still not certified, we'll wait till this season ends to know how far).

Even Wenger created the system too, but failed to strengthen his defence which was why he was underachieving in the league.

What I'm just saying is that Arteta should try and create attacking system for us to build on(that's what big team does), especially as we have good defence. These his type of "defence first approach" won't take us anywhere, as it'll take away the fear factor the we once had against even small teams. And to be sincere, that's not sustainable for a big club, esp a club like ours.

I think the problem is that we fans are not used to drab football, Simeone style. The fact is that whatever philosophy a coach decides to use is very workable. The issue therefore is if the fans appreciate it. Emery for example didn't play AMs, he didn't need them, he relied on CMs (remember Guendouzi?) hence why he began a campaign of selling all our fashionable AMs.

Jack Wilshere?

mostob:
Jack Wilshere?

anybody but Willian is needec in that AM position

kodded:
anybody but Willian is needec in that AM position

Eriksen for 10m is not bad IMO and he's a good set piece taker plus EPL verified.
We just need a spark in creativity I'm not sure of that RB Salzburg guy because we are loaning him back to them we just want to beat off competing with their sister's club Leipzig
If we got excess 25m ain't bad for him either

iamoyindamola:

Eriksen for 10m is not bad IMO and he's a good set piece taker plus EPL verified.
We just need a spark in creativity I'm not sure of that RB Salzburg guy because we are loaning him back to them we just want to beat off competing with their sister's club Leipzig
If we got excess 25m ain't bad for him either

willian was not bad either and he was also good at set peice, but look at where we are with willian in the team.

we need to see this eriksen deal like willian deal


both players have passed their prime, eriksen is 28 and he is looking for the next unfortunate maga that will give him his last big retirement benefit before he step down.


abeg we still dey manage willian for the next 3 years, make we no come add another delawood to the team.

for me i will prefer jack willshere to come in as a pay as you play player untill szoboszlai is ours officially, make we no go make the same mistake we made with willian again

kodded:
willian was not bad either and he was also good at set peice, but look at where we are with willian in the team.

we need to see this eriksen deal like willian deal


both players have passed their prime, eriksen is 28 and he is looking for the next unfortunate maga that will give him his last big retirement benefit before he step down.


abeg we still dey manage willian for the next 3 years, make we no come add another delawood to the team.

for me i will prefer jack willshere to come in as a pay as you play player untill szoboszlai is ours officially, make we no go make the same mistake we made with willian again

Show some respect to eriksen
Comparing him with William is blasphemy
Stats are always available incase you want to thread Futher

iamoyindamola:

Show some respect to eriksen
Comparing him with William is blasphemy
Stats are always available incase you want to thread Futher

He's not comparing him with willian. He's just using Willian case as a scenario. What if eriksen is truly finished, wouldn't it be a case of "another Willian"?

But na where him add Jack wilshere burst ma head

mostob:
Jack Wilshere?

what's your thoughts on him?

Spy360:

I think the problem is that we fans are not used to drab football, Simeone style. The fact is that whatever philosophy a coach decides to use is very workable. The issue therefore is if the fans appreciate it. Emery for example didn't play AMs, he didn't need them, he relied on CMs (remember Guendouzi?) hence why he began a campaign of selling all our fashionable AMs.

I just hope Arteta philosophy is not drab football sha. Nahh, most fans won't take it, and drab football won't take us very far.

kodded:
anybody but Willian is needec in that AM position

Be careful what you wish for sha else we'll be going round and round in circles

Spy360:

I think the problem is that we fans are not used to drab football, Simeone style. The fact is that whatever philosophy a coach decides to use is very workable. The issue therefore is if the fans appreciate it. Emery for example didn't play AMs, he didn't need them, he relied on CMs (remember Guendouzi?) hence why he began a campaign of selling all our fashionable AMs.

arsenal needs to work on their counter attacks. Very key

iamoyindamola:

Show some respect to eriksen
Comparing him with William is blasphemy
Stats are always available incase you want to thread Futher

I'm not saying that willian and eriksen both have similar abilities, what I'm trying to say is that we should be careful buying players that has passed their prime.


players like this will give you a very good performance in the beginning but as time goes on, they will start dropping disaster class performance week in week out







and the worst part is that with their age and poor performance, no club will want them for any amount

Jodera:
Be careful what you wish for sha else we'll be going round and round in circles

boss, I mean am o, willian is a liability for us, infact an ageing ozil is still more valuable than willian to the team.


infact if you can go back to the day we signed willain on this thread, you will see me crying bitterly for his arrival, that man can't dribble, cant pass, cant shoot, cant cross infact watching him play is like pouring 2 liters of hot palm oil into my eyeballs

Jodera:
He's not comparing him with willian. He's just using Willian case as a scenario. What if eriksen is truly finished, wouldn't it be a case of "another Willian"?

But na where him add Jack wilshere burst ma head

jack willshere na pay as you play deal go sure for that guy, beside a fit willshere is far better than willian.

Jodera:
I just hope Arteta philosophy is not drab football sha. Nahh, most fans won't take it, and drab football won't take us very far.

every style of football requires a certain type of players

the type of attackers we have can not play the sexy one-two football the fans are clamoring for

take goals away from aubameyang and you will realise that he is no diffrent from nkeitah

lacazzette, willian and pepe are in the same whatsapp group

our only hope is on martinelli, Saka and Nelson but right now only the latter is fit the other two are currently injured


modified: when you look at the midfield you will realise that we have only one attacking minded midfielder and the player is not even registered

Jodera:
He's not comparing him with willian. He's just using Willian case as a scenario. What if eriksen is truly finished, wouldn't it be a case of "another Willian"?

But na where him add Jack wilshere burst ma head

From onset Chelsea fans complained about William end product
Eriksen used to be the brain box of spuds till he left
With stats he's better than ozil, about him reaching his limit
I doubt it he's just 28 that's most midfielders peak period and I still watch him last month again England

kodded:
I'm not saying that willian and eriksen both have similar abilities, what I'm trying to say is that we should be careful buying players that has passed their prime.


players like this will give you a very good performance in the beginning but as time goes on, they will start dropping disaster class performance week in week out







and the worst part is that with their age and poor performance, no club will want them for any amount

I don't think eriksen past his prime yet

iamoyindamola:

Eriksen for 10m is not bad IMO and he's a good set piece taker plus EPL verified.
We just need a spark in creativity I'm not sure of that RB Salzburg guy because we are loaning him back to them we just want to beat off competing with their sister's club Leipzig
If we got excess 25m ain't bad for him either

I will rather take Sanchez than Ericsson. BTW, i heard we are going for Subuola or is it szobozolai dem dey call him.

Jodera:
what's your thoughts on him?

His injury is the main issue. If he can stay fit, i won't mind having him in our MF.