Newton85:


They should give me 600 years so that I won't be able to knock some sense into your revisionist, Ignorant brain anymore? Colossal coward and shameless crybaby.

Etinosa12345:

Tears, tears and more tears...

If the Ogiamen really leased a land to the Oba, why isn't he brave to show us the boundary of the land leased? Because its a lie

Ikeji orisha don't mean anything in Benin and I don't expect Benin chiefs to speak a word as praise especially when they don't know the meaning

Lastly the Ogiamen are not the descendants of Ogiso...

Keep bringing ur tears... U have not even been able to answer a single question and u allow someone that doesn't even rule his area in sakponba road to be deceiving u

Abovebonny:


The only Empire Nigeria ever had was the Sokoto Caliphate...

So no Oyo was not an empire by any means.

Look at the map and tell me Sokoto was not an empire? And that Oyo and Benin were not Kingdoms...

Balogunodua:
I disagree....

PORNeIlusHUBson:


So Oyo that spread to Benin,Togo, Ghana and majority of western Yorubaland is not an Empire... Na wa ooo

Abovebonny2:


No war is equal.

I agree with your points, I just wanted to point out that Benin wasn't as powerful as many of the other African kingdoms, or as competent.

TAO11:
He is one and the same person. That’s his second account. 100%

Balogunodua:
Mansa Musa an hausa man?this is a new one...

Etinosa12345:

Tears, tears and more tears...

If the Ogiamen really leased a land to the Oba, why isn't he brave to show us the boundary of the land leased? Because its a lie

Ikeji orisha don't mean anything in Benin and I don't expect Benin chiefs to speak a word as praise especially when they don't know the meaning

Lastly the Ogiamen are not the descendants of Ogiso...

Keep bringing ur tears... U have not even been able to answer a single question and u allow someone that doesn't even rule his area in sakponba road to be deceiving u

Etinosa12345:

Tears, tears and more tears...

If the Ogiamen really leased a land to the Oba, why isn't he brave to show us the boundary of the land leased? Because its a lie

Ikeji orisha don't mean anything in Benin and I don't expect Benin chiefs to speak a word as praise especially when they don't know the meaning

Lastly the Ogiamen are not the descendants of Ogiso...

Keep bringing ur tears... U have not even been able to answer a single question and u allow someone that doesn't even rule his area in sakponba road to be deceiving u

Newton85:


Yeah, "tears tears tears" indeed, yet you're the one reporting me to your to your Nairaland bosses like a lily-livered coward. The irony. Ikeji Orisha doesn't mean anything in Benin, same way Oba doesn't mean anything in Benin, "Ikeji Orisha" is part of the praise names of your Oba, same way Oba is also your King's title. It's also the same way Yoruba deities like Ogun, Osun, Shango, Eshu, Olokun don't mean anything in Benin yet they're worshipped by your people. Bloody coward.

Etinosa123456:
Jesus... Na me call mod..na me dem ban

Etinosa123456:
Jesus... Na me call mod..na me dem ban

Abovebonny3:


The map is actually rather accurate as it represents the political state of Africa in 1880, I just focused on West Africa.

Dahomey Revolt 1823: the Oyo army sent by Oba Alaafin Majotu was categorically wiped out by the forces of King Gezo of Dahomey, thus ending Oyo's hegemony in the region. [/b]Alpern, S., 1998. Amazons Of Black Sparta. 2nd ed. [Place of publication not identified]: C. Hurst & Co., p.166.[b]
Therefore by 1880 Dahomey had not been a province of the Oyo kingdom for 57 years.

Kwara was formally part of the Oyo kingdom, until General Afonja rebelled and with the help of the Fulani's and local Muslim populations formed the Ilorin Emirate. Upon its formation power switched to Emir Abdusalami dan Salih Alimi -a Fulani- who's reign saw the IIorin Emirate become a vassal of the Sokoto Caliphate. [/b]Lovejoy, P., 2004. Slavery On The Frontiers Of Islam. 2nd ed. Princeton: Markus Wiener Publishers, p.55.[b]
The vassal state of IIorin continued to expand in the 1830's until it was halted at Ibadan where its borders remained relatively the same until 1897 when it was annexed by the Royal Niger Company.

Aro-Chukwu which lasted from 1690 - 1902 had the largest monopoly on trade (mostly slaves) within eastern/southern Nigeran and parts of west Cameroon. Please note that this was a "confederation" not an empire or kingdom so don't get confused. The map simply shows the area under the influence of the Aro-Chukwu trade monopoly. [/b]Chidume, Chukwudi & Nmaju, U. (2019). The Aro Hegemony: Dissecting The Myth And Reality. 8. 76-87. 10.33281/JTHS20129.2019.1.6.[b]

The map below is the full unedited version.

Edeyoung:



Would you shut up before i stone you from here

Shut up your mouth i will tell you 100 reason why sokoto was not an empire nonsense


You see that book, i snapped they detailed sokoto caliphate carefully

Nor go talk wetin u nor go fit defend oo

Schloars dey here

Edeyoung:




And i proved you wrong

ABULARdotCOM:


Now you see the deceit in your picture without a date? By 1880 Oyo empire was declining or has declined. so it shouldn't be in that map at all. What remained of it was Ibadan, which was trying to replicate its hegemony, and Ibadan didn't rule that region in the map you are sharing.

At it's height the reached the borders of present day Ghana (see the picture below).

Abovebonny3:


If not for the British, the entire south west of Nigeria would have been part of the Caliphate, that's a fact.

ABULARdotCOM:


The same Sokoto calipate that ran when they saw standing cameras for the first time and thought they were machine guns?

You don't know how backward they were becoming without contact with the west through the sea. The northern empires were able to grow in the olden days because of its connection to the Arab civilization, but immediately the Arabs were declining, they were even declining faster!

There empires look large on the map because most of those regions they covered were desert regions. No one wanted to live there hence there easy claim to it. A good example of country that they large on paper but only have little people occupying them are Russia, Canada and Niger republic. Most of the so called land mass has no inhabitants, so no one to contest their claim to them.

samuk:


Below is how the Alaafin of Oyo described the Oba of Benin in time past.

The Alaafin in 1911 seems to have provided his own idea of the power the kings of Benin had once held, from an African (Oyo Yoruba) perspective.

Anyway, the statement from Clapperton:

1. "In the evening we had a visit from the king (Alaafin of Oyo), to thank me for the presents I had given him, and again to assure me of being welcolme; said that he wanted nothing, unless it was something that would speedily cause the submission of the rebels. He said that he had sent to his friend the king of Benin for troops to assist him in the war."

- Hugh Clapperton, Journal of a Second Expedition Into the Interior of Africa, from the Bight of Benin to Soccatoo


2. "The kingdom of Benin was so powerful that the Alafin of Oyo, the head of the Yoruba people, told a British governor that even his predecessors had to pay tribute to its king." - Asibong Akpan Okon, The evolution of self-government of Nigeria (1955), p. 36

Asibong Okon was referring to this:

"This Kingdom of Benin was at one time so powerful that the Alafin of Oyo, the head of the Yoruba people, told me that even his predecessors had to pay tribute to its King." - United Empire, Volume 2 (1911), p. 620

https://books.google.com/books?newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&id=AE45AQAAMAAJ&dq=predecessors+pay+tribute

DenreleDave:


Tao11 has been wiping your Ass

Abovebonny3:


nothing I have said is controversial, Oyo never reached Ghana through conquest that is just an outright lie... even the map shows it only goes as far as the Benin Republic, maybe Togo... but certainly not Ghana.

The region was still a Yoruba region controlled by smaller Yoruba kingdoms regardless.

A kingdom in decline is still a kingdom indeed, Britain started to decline after WW1, yet the empire grew larger post WW2... decline does not mean complete collapse.

Ideadoctor:
Benin kings can never be compared with Yoruba kings, Yoruba are the source of Benin royalty, which makes Yoruba kingship to be automatically superior, I hate it when arrogant Edo folks try to turns things upside down, without Yoruba civilization where would they be today?, Their royalty, arts and crafts and pantheon is from the great Yoruba civilization

Edeyoung:



You have little knowledge yoruba history and also that of bini, you only know the periphery of both history,

You dont know bini history on a research background, just admit to yourself you dont know and we will find books for you to read

ABULARdotCOM:


And after Togo is what what country? Please stop arguing blindly. Oyo empire fought the Ashanti kingdom in defense of its tributary. I

I never said it reached the borders of Ghana through conquest, but through influence! Those tributaries (the Ga group of people and Dahomey ) relied on Oyo for protection and they paid in return (Thornton, John K. (1999). Warfare in Atlantic Africa 1500-1800. London and New York: Routledge. ISBN 1-85728-393-7., p. 79.) . Same with some Northern Nigeria kindoms like the Borgu kingdom.

Now please share a reputable source for your so called Aro confederacy. And please don't quote some Igbo historian. Thank you in advance.

Ideadoctor:
Benin kings can never be compared with Yoruba kings, Yoruba are the source of Benin royalty, which makes Yoruba kingship to be automatically superior, I hate it when arrogant Edo folks try to turns things upside down, without Yoruba civilization where would they be today?, Their royalty, arts and crafts and pantheon is from the great Yoruba civilization

Abovebonny3:


The Nomadic tribes of the north would have conquered the west eventually, the only reason they stopped at Ibadan was because of the terrain, it wasn't good for cavalry. but they would have overcome it eventually... I don't think you realise the swift devastation of nomadic tribes.

Canada is part of The British Empire (even if it doesn't officially say so)
Russia, along with eastern Europe and most of Asia was conquered by the Mongols who were nomadic very much like the Fulani's.
The Fulani are the Mongols of Africa, they have established countless kingdoms from Senegal to Sudan.

The first map is the Sahel steppe a vast lowland savanna arid grassland which the Fulani have primarily inhabited since at least 900AD, this is why they are present in most west African nations today.
The second map is the Eurasian steppe, which numerous nomadic peoples have inhabited for centuries from the Scythians, Huns, Tuvans to the Mongols etc...

Abovebonny3:


Now that you have specified influence your statement makes more sense, don't just talk actually make sense when you do so.

The sources are mainly from Igbo historians because guess what... Aro-chukwu is Igbo, you don't expect someone else to write our history for us.
The following links are form reputable publishers.

Here are some sources:
https://www.britannica.com/place/Arochukwu
[/b]Nwauwa, A. O. "Integrating Arochukwu into the Regional Chronological Structure." History in Africa 18 (1991): 297-310. Accessed December 7, 2020. doi:10.2307/3172068.[b]
[/b]Nwauwa, Apollos O. "The Evolution of the Aro Confederacy in Southeastern Nigeria, 1690-1720. A Theoretical Synthesis of State Formation Process in Africa." Anthropos 90, no. 4/6 (1995): 353-64. Accessed December 7, 2020. http://www.jstor.org/stable/40463184.[b]
[/b]The Slave Trade and Culture in the Bight of Biafra: An African Society in the Atlantic World G. Ugo Nwokeji[b]

Etrusen:




men say what you know