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Re: Trump Pushed Georgia Officials To "Find Votes" To Tilt Election by Tranquility4u: 10:54am On Jan 04, 2021 |
Re: Trump Pushed Georgia Officials To "Find Votes" To Tilt Election by KenModi(m): 10:57am On Jan 04, 2021 |
Nuel4: It doesn’t change the fact that there is no proof of election fraud. 2 Likes |
Re: Trump Pushed Georgia Officials To "Find Votes" To Tilt Election by gbishman: 11:04am On Jan 04, 2021 |
America you truly deserve this leader. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Trump Pushed Georgia Officials To "Find Votes" To Tilt Election by Tecno66: 11:12am On Jan 04, 2021 |
RenaissanceGuy:Hillary Clinton told Americans not to vote for him because he will behave like a loose canon but they refused. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Trump Pushed Georgia Officials To "Find Votes" To Tilt Election by davido91(m): 11:29am On Jan 04, 2021 |
Ovo200: I only see conspiracy theories on the site 1 Like |
Re: Trump Pushed Georgia Officials To "Find Votes" To Tilt Election by Nobody: 11:45am On Jan 04, 2021 |
KenModi:all the irregularities and videos all over the Internet are what? Let me tell you something, both Democrats and top Republicans want Trump gone. He's an anomaly to the elite Republicans who came from nowhere and hijacked the party. Now Mitch Mcconnel and Lindsey Graham have to grovel before him to win an election. They want him gone. This whole saga was gamed out in early 2019 through project lawfare. They predicted everything that will happen down to the very tweet Trump will be tweeting. Majority of the court cases were never heard. The court will say the injury has already been done, it's too late so they'll dismiss the case as moot. Without considering the evidence presented. They either do that or say they don't have Jurisdiction for the case that they should go to a lower court first that was how they threw them around till they ran out of time. The problem I have with Trump is that he talks too much and insults people he does not necessarily have to insult |
Re: Trump Pushed Georgia Officials To "Find Votes" To Tilt Election by bayelsaowei(m): 12:23pm On Jan 04, 2021 |
Iamgrey5:the 3rd claim shocked me.. Trump is a Nigerian politician..they should scrape his skin beneath it might just be one Dino melaye or seriaki dickson.... 2 Likes |
Re: Trump Pushed Georgia Officials To "Find Votes" To Tilt Election by Miracle1991: 12:31pm On Jan 04, 2021 |
Ovo200:rubbish? Do you know better than the US supreme Court judges? Do you know that he was beaten black and blue in 2016 in popular votes? 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Trump Pushed Georgia Officials To "Find Votes" To Tilt Election by LordReed(m): 12:44pm On Jan 04, 2021 |
Nuel4: They said they would have preferred to hear the case but still not grant the reliefs. Do you think the other 7 justices would have granted the reliefs if they had heard the case? 2 Likes |
Re: Trump Pushed Georgia Officials To "Find Votes" To Tilt Election by Nobody: 12:52pm On Jan 04, 2021 |
LordReed:they dismissed it because it was not filed properly by the right person no one knows what they would've decided if it were filed properly. Two Justices cannot grant relief against 7 opposing votes that's why they said they couldn't grant any relief. The relief we're talking about is not just a policy issue, it's about invalidating elections in four states, that would lead to riots and possibly war. That's not a decision two people can make. By the way, there was not enough time for the right person to file the case, pass through the lower courts and get to the Supreme Courts. The whole process was gamed out even before it started. |
Re: Trump Pushed Georgia Officials To "Find Votes" To Tilt Election by LordReed(m): 1:07pm On Jan 04, 2021 |
Nuel4: Given all of this in what way can you claim that the suit had merit? 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Trump Pushed Georgia Officials To "Find Votes" To Tilt Election by Nobody: 1:13pm On Jan 04, 2021 |
LordReed:don't you know the difference between merit and standing? Standing was what was in question not merit. You have to hear a case in order determine whether it has merit or not. The case was not heard. They said it was not filed through the proper channel not that lacks merit 1 Like |
Re: Trump Pushed Georgia Officials To "Find Votes" To Tilt Election by Figliomi: 1:23pm On Jan 04, 2021 |
Ovo200:You just sit in the comfort of your chair and be typing rubbish. Did you vote for Trump? Did you work at the electoral college? Did you count the numbers for black voters of Trump m Biden? Please stop hallucinating 2 Likes |
Re: Trump Pushed Georgia Officials To "Find Votes" To Tilt Election by LordReed(m): 1:39pm On Jan 04, 2021 |
Nuel4: I wasn't talking about standing. Going by what you said I want to know how you think the case has merit. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Trump Pushed Georgia Officials To "Find Votes" To Tilt Election by fortran12: 1:45pm On Jan 04, 2021 |
LordReed:That's just one case what about the rest? . The Texas law suite, the Supreme Court threw it out cos of standing not even looking at any of the claims. Based on what you have seen am sure u can't deny voter fraud. All the Ruby Freeman videos, the Georgia and Arizona testimonies. |
Re: Trump Pushed Georgia Officials To "Find Votes" To Tilt Election by LordReed(m): 2:13pm On Jan 04, 2021 |
fortran12: The Texas lawsuit was not a fraud suit either. Can you mention which suit in particular was alleging fraud? All the so called video evidence has been thoroughly debunked. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Trump Pushed Georgia Officials To "Find Votes" To Tilt Election by Nobody: 2:15pm On Jan 04, 2021 |
LordReed:they claimed they had evidence of numerical implausibility, vote dumps around 3 AM in the morning, state governors changing rules to make virtually all mail ballots accepted(rejection rate fell from 3% to 0.3%) videos of people pulling out boxes from under the table etc. I don't know if the court could have found the cases valid but it was not heard. So no one knows. That's like a lecturer throwing out your exam script because you wrote in black ink instead of blue ink without even reading it. No one knows whether you would have gotten an A or F |
Re: Trump Pushed Georgia Officials To "Find Votes" To Tilt Election by fortran12: 2:25pm On Jan 04, 2021 |
LordReed: LOL, debunked? did u watch the videos and make your own judgement or u had people -"fact checkers" do it for you? Why were they going to court if they had no intention of proving fraud?. Did you see the Antrim county audit report?. There was fraud, watch and make your own judgement, don't rely on people with an agenda to make decisions for you. Watch the Georgia testimonies , even analysts who have access to the data finding fault in it. The 5 states in question pausing vote count at the same time and resuming counting with different results. |
Re: Trump Pushed Georgia Officials To "Find Votes" To Tilt Election by LordReed(m): 2:36pm On Jan 04, 2021 |
fortran12: Yes debunked, not by fact checkers but the very people involved. The Antrim County audit gave Trump an additional 12, TWELVE votes. How is that evidence of massive fraud? I repeat which law suit was alleging fraud? 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Trump Pushed Georgia Officials To "Find Votes" To Tilt Election by LordReed(m): 2:46pm On Jan 04, 2021 |
Nuel4: The suit alleged that the States in question unconstitutionally changed their electoral rules. That case obviously lacks merit when the Supreme courts of the said States already upheld their electoral rules. Also a suit of this type is supposed to come before the election. I don't see how anyone can say the suit had merit. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Trump Pushed Georgia Officials To "Find Votes" To Tilt Election by vivaciousvivi(f): 2:50pm On Jan 04, 2021 |
ajebuter:And that Senator Hawley fellow and Rudi Gulliani - repulsive creatures 1 Like |
Re: Trump Pushed Georgia Officials To "Find Votes" To Tilt Election by Nobody: 2:57pm On Jan 04, 2021 |
LordReed:their constitution charge the state legislature and state legislature alone with the authority to change election laws. The state Executive or judiciary don't have any power to change it. State supreme Court does not have such powers just as supreme Court has no say impeachment proceedings. Different branches have their different powers and limits |
Re: Trump Pushed Georgia Officials To "Find Votes" To Tilt Election by fortran12: 2:58pm On Jan 04, 2021 |
LordReed:Show me the video where ruby freeman debunked the video. Its illegal to count votes with no one in the room. The Antrim County audit of the dominion machines. That's the one i am talking about. Lin Wood vs Raffensperger Brooks vs Mahoney Johnson vs Benson. These are some lawsuits. Some have been dismissed not because of evidence. None of the evidence have been seen by any court. The courts throw them out as soon as its filed. That is not right. If the courts were fair, let both parties come before it and argue the case with both sides presenting their evidence |
Re: Trump Pushed Georgia Officials To "Find Votes" To Tilt Election by LordReed(m): 3:02pm On Jan 04, 2021 |
Nuel4: Are you joking? A state supreme court cannot opine on the constitutionality of a state law? You have to be joking. 2 Likes |
Re: Trump Pushed Georgia Officials To "Find Votes" To Tilt Election by Nobody: 3:08pm On Jan 04, 2021 |
LordReed:no it is not a state law, it is an election law. The duty is specifically given to the state legislature. US Supreme Court does not have the power to impeach a president. That's constitutionally the role of the country's legislative arm of government. State Supreme Court has zero say in determining state electors or electoral laws. USA is a union, each state is not independent, their Supreme Court decision does not override the constitution that govern the whole country |
Re: Trump Pushed Georgia Officials To "Find Votes" To Tilt Election by LordReed(m): 3:12pm On Jan 04, 2021 |
fortran12: The video was debunked by the SoS of Georgia after they reviewed the full video tape. The Antrim County audit of the dominion machines. That's the one i am talking about. Yes its the one. The officials who did the audit certified that the Dominion machines were accurate and didn't switch any votes. Lin Wood vs Raffensperger Not a suit alleging fraud. Brooks vs Mahoney Also not a suit alleging fraud. Johnson vs Benson. A suit alleging fraud that the plaintiffs themselves voluntarily withdrew.
The courts adjudicate based on the law, your personal sense of fairness is irrelevant. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Trump Pushed Georgia Officials To "Find Votes" To Tilt Election by LordReed(m): 3:15pm On Jan 04, 2021 |
Nuel4: In which state was the election law not prescribed by the state legislature? In which state was their election law against the Constitution of the US? 2 Likes |
Re: Trump Pushed Georgia Officials To "Find Votes" To Tilt Election by fortran12: 3:31pm On Jan 04, 2021 |
LordReed:I can't believe what you posted. You believe a politician over what you see? Did u watch the video? Did it seem normal? Judge for yourself dont rely on others to make the judgement for you. In the video you saw ruby freeman asking people to leave for the night, then later they start pulling boxes from under the table to count without supervision. And just cos the secretary of state says " nothing to see here" does not mean u should not critically analyse the video you saw. Never trust a politician. That's not true. The report said the machines were compromised. I have the report. And i have attached to this post. All the suits i posted you claim they are not alleging fraud. Why did they then take the case to court. Are you expecting to see the word fraud in the case title?. The lin wood case challenges the inclusion of absentee ballots in Georgia and wants to prohibit result certification. This indirectly accuses fraud. The Johnson case asks them to block certification until an independent audit is done. Also they want an investigation to be done on claims of voter fraud in wayne County. This case is also about voter fraud. So i do not know where u found the info that they did not allege fraud in their suits. The issue is that the courts never gave them a chance to prove their case. They were thrown out not cos of evidence https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RJ6TWPa0-OQOo2_SrYpCewJ0-Zl1IpVF/view?usp=sharing |
Re: Trump Pushed Georgia Officials To "Find Votes" To Tilt Election by Nobody: 3:51pm On Jan 04, 2021 |
LordReed:then you didn't read lawsuit. Go do that first |
Re: Trump Pushed Georgia Officials To "Find Votes" To Tilt Election by KenModi(m): 3:55pm On Jan 04, 2021 |
Nuel4: Do you have proof of the judiciary also conspiring with Democrats and top Republicans to oust Trump? 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Trump Pushed Georgia Officials To "Find Votes" To Tilt Election by IjeBos(m): 4:15pm On Jan 04, 2021 |
LordReed: Well, I don't believe the framers of the constitution intended that. But one of the members of our new conservative court recently in a decision opined that only the legislature can decide election laws based on a very strict reading of the constitution. Seems wholly irrational (as most things done by this conservative court) as the point of the judiciary is to decide whether legislative actions are legal and hue to the state constitution. Ex. if a state legislature decided it was legal only for white males to vote. The state judiciary should strike that down. |
Re: Trump Pushed Georgia Officials To "Find Votes" To Tilt Election by IjeBos(m): 4:26pm On Jan 04, 2021 |
fortran12: Put everything you wrote in google. Instead of watching the edited video, watch the full video (there is a full video of that incident). Instead of reading a clip or someone's opinion of the lawsuit, read the lawsuit that was filed. Instead of reading a clip of a judicial opinion. Read the opinion yourself. I promise when you do, you'll understand how the truth doesn't match up to what you wrote here or what you believe. FYI: Any lawsuit has to meet a threshold question. I can't just sue you and ask the court for some relief because I believe something. I have to come into court with evidence or proof that there is harm and that the court can/is allowed to provide relief for that harm, if they can't the cases are dismissed. Listen to some of the hearings (some have been released). Some are actually funny in the ridiculousness of the Trump lawyers. 2 Likes 1 Share |
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