Dapcity007:



Practice responsible sex
Simple as ABC

100% agreed. But then sex cannot always be responsible based on some extraneous or should I say uncontrollable circumstances. Examples such as;
Rape. whereby the woman has no say in it

Alcohol or drugs. where sex takes place under the influence of drugs.

Hormonal changes. This afflicts mainly the very young whereby sex hormones flood the body changing or influencing physical, mental and behavioural patterns of the individual . This makes boys and girls between the ages of 16 to 21 extremely sexually active, and it required great guidance and understanding from parents, family and community for young girls and boys to escape the pitfalls of increased sex urges.

Religious fundamentalists tend to hide their heads in the sand pretending that threatening young girls with fire and brimstones and even physical threats will make the problem go away.

Dapcity007:


Ok
Leftist in denial when their theory is faulted

where is the denial mbok, you're just too obtuse and unnecessarily verbose! What theory did you fault? You are the one that brought identity into the discussion after i told you that you can't accuse a fellow black person of racism against you if he or she did not discriminate against you simply and only because you were black! I am asking you pointed questions like what form of identity issues are at play in this scenario and you are dribbling yourself around the bush refusing to answer the questions directly because you've realised the answer will expose your stupidity in a way even you couldn't deny

wirinet:

Don't mind them religious fundamentalists, maybe his passport reads "country of conception".

Citizenship begins at conception indeed.

the dude is very clueless and argues for the sole purpose of argument with no thought of possibly learning something new

wirinet:

100% agreed. But then sex cannot always be responsible based on some extraneous or should I say uncontrollable circumstances. Examples such as;
Rape. whereby the woman has no say in it

Alcohol or drugs. where sex takes place under the influence of drugs.

Hormonal changes. This afflicts mainly the very young whereby sex hormones flood the body changing or influencing physical, mental and behavioural patterns of the individual . This makes boys and girls between the ages of 16 to 21 extremely sexually active, and it required great guidance and understanding from parents, family and community for young girls and boys to escape the pitfalls of increased sex urges.

Religious fundamentalists tend to hide their heads in the sand pretending that threatening young girls with fire and brimstones and even physical threats will make the problem go away.

Baba girls don't have testerones like boys

We have 13 times that of ladies which makes us more hypersexual than them

Leftist sexual revolution in the 1970's making social constructs for women to be whoring and allowing homosexuality , which religious conservatives spoke against led us to these morally deplorable state

BraniacX:
the dude is very clueless and argues for the sole purpose of argument with no thought of possibly learning something new

Learn from an Egalitarian-equalist
Hmmm

Dapcity007:



Islamic constitutional interpretation

Your semantics cards can't work for me

it is obviously working, it is not enough to say Islamic constitutional interpretation, we don't want interpretations, that is subject to the interpreters bias, give us the actual sections, texts, or whatever from the legally used constitution that states so so and so nameless zygote shall be considered a citizen of this state due to the providence of conception within our geographical borders or on vessels registered within our domain and flying our flag and is therefore granted the rights of citizenship which includes recognition and sanctity of life and so on and so forth oya I'm waiting

BraniacX:
it is obviously working, it is not enough to say Islamic constitutional interpretation, we don't want interpretations, that is subject to the interpreters bias, give us the actual sections, texts, or whatever from the legally used constitution that states so so and so nameless zygote shall be considered a citizen of this state due to the providence of conception within our geographical borders or on vessels registered within our domain and flying our flag and is therefore granted the rights of citizenship which includes recognition and sanctity of life and so on and so forth oya I'm waiting

You are playing with fire

Dapcity007:



Running away from core principles is called deflection tactics

and who's doing the running? Me or you? You accused a black woman of Nigerian origins of being racist towards Nigeria and Nigerians in general because she has better internet connectivity than us and i said that is in no way racism and you accused me of playing identity politics and I asked you what form of identity are you ascribing to as there are myriad forms of identity but you're just too dumb to follow up the thread of thought of the original conversation and/or you've realised answering my question will reveal your stupidity here so tell me, did i miss a thing or skip a beat in this breakdown of events so far? And how in the seven hells is anything I have posted so far to be considered deflection? you just type and string words together without passing any valid message in relation to the issues being discussed and that is why I said you were verbose and not intelligent enough for this thread

BraniacX:
and who's doing the running? Me or you? You accused a black woman of Nigerian origins of being racist towards Nigeria and Nigerians in general because she has better internet connectivity than us and i said that is in no way racism and you accused me of playing identity politics and I asked you what form of identity are you ascribing to as there are myriad forms of identity but you're just too dumb to follow up the thread of thought of the original conversation and/or you've realised answering my question will reveal your stupidity here so tell me, did i miss a thing or skip a beat in this breakdown of events so far? And how in the seven hells is anything I have posted so to be considered deflection? you just type and string words together without passing any valid message in relation to the issues being discussed and that is why I said you were verbose and not intelligent enough for this thread

So I should make the assumption that all zygotes, embryos,and foetus are intrinsically worthless in all pregnant women since they are not human or life forms

Dapcity007:



Learn from an Egalitarian-equalist
Hmmm

wetin bring egalitarianism and equalist into this now? my sole purpose of engaging you this far is to help YOU prove to yourself how stup1d you and your arguments are so that no one, not even yourself will be in doubt

Dapcity007:



You are playing with fire

since I'm not being burned them your assertion is mute! Show us the proof of citizenship at conception

BraniacX:
wetin bring egalitarianism and equalist into this now? my sole purpose of engaging you this far is to help YOU prove to yourself how stup1d you and your arguments are so that no one, not even yourself will be in doubt

That's your core philosophy bro
Or I'm lying

Dapcity007:



So I should make the assumption that all zygotes, embryos,and foetus are intrinsically worthless in all pregnant women since they are not human or life forms

they are worthy but their worthiness is derived from the value given to them by those responsible for their conception not by themselves for they have no self conscious or otherwise at that stage! If those responsible for their conception ascribe no value to them then they have no value and vice versa

BraniacX:
since I'm not being burned them your assertion is mute! Show us the proof of citizenship at conception

Infants (zygotes,embryos,foetus) have no fundamental human right for every pregnant woman, they are just bunch of cells, that can discarded at will , because they serve no purpose except when conceived


Hmmm


A moral plus to your argument

Dapcity007:



That's your core philosophy bro
Or I'm lying

leave my philosophy out of this, that is a conversation for another day, for today prove the racism in that lady's comments and prove there is a country that confers legal citizenship at conception

And please tell me, what were you saying about deflection again?

BraniacX:
they are worthy but their worthiness is derived from the value given to them by those responsible for their conception not by themselves for they have no self conscious or otherwise at that stage! If those responsible for their conception ascribe no value to them then they have no value and vice versa

Bundle of cells like other cells in the body , but unlike other cell can become inert in nature even when they pose no medical risk,

Very deep

Dapcity007:



Infants (zygotes,embryos,foetus) have no fundamental human right for every pregnant woman, they are just bunch of cells, that can discarded at will , because they serve no purpose except when conceived


Hmmm


A moral plus to your argument

what business does morality have to do with this now? I thought we were talking about citizenship which infers legality which infers recognition as an actual human being?

Again, who was it that was talking about making emotional arguments again

BraniacX:
what business does morality have to do with this now? I thought we were talking about citizenship which infers legality which infers recognition as an actual human being?

Again, who was it that was talking about making emotional arguments again

Slavery , polygamy had such arguments

Dapcity007:



Bundle of cells like other cells in the body , but unlike other cell can become inert in nature even when they pose no medical risk,

Very deep

what are you saying now mbok? am I supposed to be understanding and responding to this?

Dapcity007:



Infants (zygotes,embryos,foetus) have no fundamental human right for every pregnant woman, they are just bunch of cells, that can discarded at will , because they serve no purpose except when conceived


Hmmm


A moral plus to your argument

It is OK to abort a foetus with a detectable heart beat?

basilico:


It is OK to abort a foetus with a detectable heart beat?

Heartless mofos

Dapcity007:





I love and respect classical liberalism
At age 19 I was an atheist

But when I saw how corrupted liberalism has become, it started espousing radical neo-marxism, unrealistic Egalitarianism,post mordernism, collectivism and has now become leftism

I converted to Christianity and became a free and critical thinking Christian, reunited with my heavenly Father (God) and reconnected to my Abrahamic convenant brothers ( Islam-The Ishmaelites) through my Lord and personal savior Jesus Christ

Many are mad but few are roaming

Dapcity007:


Slavery , polygamy had such arguments

now who was accusing who of deflecting and appealing to emotions? and what to quote PrideofLincoln1 brain stem sort of false equivalency is this? Slavery is slavery and abortion is abortion no correlation between the two! I will give you a worthy retort when you show me an enslaved zygote and on polygamy, what about it

BraniacX:
[s]then where does that place you when you parrot the "far left " classification coined and propagandised by the trumps of this world? You don't want the comparison but you want to use the term to describe liberals when it suits your narrative! Pick a side abeg[/s]

I was talking about Pelosi and how the far left don't like her and wanted their representatives to not vote her for speaker and I was annoyed at that instead you quote me without even understanding where I was coming from.If you don't like me calling them far left that is your problem and I am not entirely wrong in calling them that.
Get lost I don't have your time

BraniacX:
it is obviously working, it is not enough to say Islamic constitutional interpretation, we don't want interpretations, that is subject to the interpreters bias, give us the actual sections, texts, or whatever from the legally used constitution that states so so and so nameless zygote shall be considered a citizen of this state due to the providence of conception within our geographical borders or on vessels registered within our domain and flying our flag and is therefore granted the rights of citizenship which includes recognition and sanctity of life and so on and so forth oya I'm waiting

BraniacX:
now who was accusing who of deflecting and appealing to emotions? and what to quote PrideofLincoln1 brain stem sort of false equivalency is this? Slavery is slavery and abortion is abortion no correlation between the two! I will give you a worthy retort when you show me an enslaved zygote and on polygamy, what about it

Situational ethics was used to strengthen their arguments same as abortion

Ladyhippolyta88:

I was talking about Pelosi and how the far left don't like her and wanted their representatives to not vote her for speaker and I was annoyed at that instead you quote me without even understanding where I was coming from.If you don't like me calling them far left that is your problem and I am not entirely wrong in calling them that.
Get lost I don't have your time

I don't give two cents for your time or otherwise either, I do this for other people who come here to read and form opinions, the far left as you call us are allowed to have their own agenda and pelosi doesn't represent it or us and yes liberal democrats don't like pelosi and the squad are very much far left and they still very much voted for pelosi and the fact that you doubted they would says more about you than it does about them and us. You made the equivalence of equating us to be extremists in the same mode as neonazis of the right is the mistake I want you to admit to, being liberal isn't and has never been an extreme position except in dumb narratives like yours and trumps and also, you can get lost yourself

Dapcity007:


Situational ethics was used to strengthen their arguments same as abortion

there is no correlation Mr! Now back to the actual topic, where is citizenship conferred at conception "legally"

BraniacX:
I don't give two cents for your time or otherwise either, I do this for other people who come here to read and form opinions, the far left as you call us are allowed to have their own agenda and pelosi doesn't represent it or us and yes liberal democrats don't like pelosi and the squad are very much far left and they still very much voted for pelosi and the fact that you doubted they would says more about you than it does about them and us. You made the equivalence of equating us to be extremists in the same mode as neonazis of the right is the mistake I want you to admit to, being liberal isn't and has never been an extreme position except in dumb narratives like yours and trumps and also, you can get lost yourself

I consider some part of their policies extreme and I don't consider all liberals far left depending on the type of liberalism.Like I said there are far left in the democratic party and they also take positions I consider extreme that is your problem if you think otherwise and I also consider myself liberal too.So leave me to my narrative.
Bye

BraniacX:
there is no correlation Mr! Now back to the actual topic, where is citizenship conferred at conception "legally"

Laws are not static

Ladyhippolyta88:

I consider some part of their policies extreme and I don't consider all liberals far left depending on the type of liberalism.Like I said there are far left in the democratic party and they also take positions I consider extreme that is your problem if you think otherwise and I also consider myself liberal too.So leave me to my narrative.
Bye

consider yourself left to your narrative then but realise that when you make certain kind of equivalence then the definition on both opposites is derived from that of the more commonly known, it is like a very religious Christian in Nigeria being described as a Christian extremists not unlike boko haram, a non Nigerian would automatically interpret that as Christians who go around killing random people unprovoked and that belief would neither be factual and also be a disservice to truth and the Christians being ascribed that definition

Dapcity007:


Laws are not static

at the temporal point of application, they are interpreted as being static! So again, where is citizenship conferred at conception "legally"?