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Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by Essential(m): 10:09am On Jan 18, 2021 |
you are brain dead and a stupid dumb asshole. Your life is finish,you will die ugly. |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by Essential(m): 10:12am On Jan 18, 2021 |
Mrbillionaire:you are brain dead and a stupid dumb asshole. Your life is finish,you will die ugly. 1 Like |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by Christistruth00: 10:18am On Jan 18, 2021 |
thatigboman: Badagry and Porto Novo were Under the Alaafin of Oyo. They were Part of the Oyo Empire The Oyos fully understood the Economic Significance of Sea Ports and by the late 18th Century the Alaafin had Secured Badagry and Porto Novo for Oyo. The Alaafin of Oyo had taken both Ports from the Dahomians as a Military ally of the Eguns. Aare Oona KaKanfo Oyabi was an Indigene of Porto Novo (New Port) in Benin Republic which Yoruba called Ajase The Aare Oona Kakanfo that Succeeded him was one of his Warlords and was also Stationed at Porto Novo (Ajase) Awori Yoruba are descended from Olofin Ogunfunminire from Ile Ife , Grandson of Oduduwa Eko was how Ijebu Pronounced Ereko after Ereko Market on the Lagos Island it is still there today. Eko or Ereko means Field in Yoruba and Ereko Ile describes an Island.
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Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by thatigboman: 10:33am On Jan 18, 2021 |
Christistruth00:u can shaa deceive gullible people. See how u just lied so smoothly. Deep down inside u, u know u are not saying the truth. 3 Likes |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by Christistruth00: 10:35am On Jan 18, 2021 |
thatigboman: There is Eko Ajala and Eko Ende in Osun State Eko Ende was one of the locations of the 1878 Jalumi War. The fact you lie all the time doesn't mean everyone is like you |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by TimeManager(m): 10:49am On Jan 18, 2021 |
Christistruth00:stop wasting your time on that ibo guy. kiss the truth! 3 Likes |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by Christistruth00: 10:49am On Jan 18, 2021 |
gregyboy: In 1851 Egba Abeokuta and Ijebu were the Overlords of Lagos Mainland 100% and they paid Tribute to nobody. It was the Egba Christian's through Bishop Ajayi Crowther who went to Bukingham Palace to request Queen Victoria of England take over Lagos Island in Order to end King Kosoko's Slave trade. Isheri,, Agege,Ikeja Area ,Iganmu were all busy paying tribute to the Egbas at Abeokuta when the British turned up. Was the Alaafin of Oyo sacked from his throne because of Fulani in Ilorin. NO! 1 Like
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Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by Etinosa1234: 10:57am On Jan 18, 2021 |
Yes... And the bolded is the only reason why Lagos paid tributes to Benin .... The circumstances afterwards which I'd soon talk abt explains it better
Nor be only devastate... Na demonstrate nko ... Meanwhile as u bring up ur demonstrate reply, I already have a more crushing answer for anything u try to bring up And To be more clear to u,... The town Ulsheimer was referring to was 1) A large town.... He specifically made this adjective to quantify the size of the town...and u can see it was no small town 2) It was called Lago...and not Lagos island or Lagos mainland or whatsoever u tend to call it 3) And in his last sentence , was where was used to control trade... Not iddo or ota or any other less important place u tend to mention Also.... The presence of high number of foreign soldiers shows that the land where they are have been invaded and conquered by them... When Germany defeated almost all of Europe, they had a high number of soldiers deposited everywhere which were governed by military commanders.. that's why the reconquest of Europe by Allied army took more than a year Also in Nigeria during the civil war, as the Nigerian army took towns in the Southeast, They left a high number of soldiers present to govern their conquered property Now do u understand what Ulsheimer meant in his statement? Soldiers are mainly built for war hence when Josua Ulsheimer saw them there in high numbers, he saw no need to address them as not battle-ready or anyother thing u tend to console ur self with. Also, he never mentioned that the soldiers participated in the trade because he didn't see such... He said that the soldiers behave in a very stately manner Stately means imposing, grand, impressive, dignified, worthy of respect... This means that he saw the soldiers as imposing on opponents, grand and they impressed him So we can conclude that Lago, the Large town was used to control trade by Benin military commanders Although, your conclusion (or equivalence) here is in itself an obvious fallacy as I will also show in details in my forthcoming reply; the report of Ulsheimer says absolutely nothing beyond the fact that the Bini armed men were confined to only one of the settlements on the island — while other settlements exist there on the island alongside the Binis‘ settlement. Wrong... ..... The statement never said they were confined to that place as u have wrongly said... The statement said that They live in the large town of Lago which the Benin soldiers made specifically for themselves... This means that this was their base... And now, if this town on the island was large, consider how small other settlements would be When the British were colonising Africa, they had places specifically meant for them to live... They never mixed with the ordinary African.This is clearly shown in Apartheid govt of South Africa. But that never meant that they lost control over their conquered lands...... Same as Benin also. The land of Lago was their base... And They had influence in other places which was why people came specifically to Lago to trade and not iddo or any less profitable places because There would most likely be sanctions on them... This is True because according to Egharevba, who u said collected his sources independently, the land of Lago was a base used to control trade in that area... Lol at the bolded, so the Benin soldiers will leave Benin 200km away to Lagos armed just to come and play kalo kalo with ur fathers... U must be drunk Ur Yorubas might do it but not Benin Neither is anything said in the report of Ulsheimer about how they originally came to acquire that portion of the island that belonged to them. Actually he didn't need to say it because it was very glaring that the land of Lago was conquered. ... No where in the world do soldiers ever go into faraway place to negotiate land.... Except ur Yoruba tho .. they all go out to fight...not trade like ur yoruba soldiers do Now if it was by peaceful negotiation as u have been crying out since, then kindly explain why during his Ulsheimer arrival, there was no account of any other ruler in the land of Lago... This is because, there was none... . Infact none of the people who came to trade told him or gave him an hint that there was another independent ruler close by apart from the distant Oba of Benin Also... before going further, think abt why Ashipa who ur Lagos account say he's an isheri chief had to seek the favor of the Oba to become king in the land - on ties of gratitude (clowns) - that was recorded to belong to the Benin in two different occasions Again, the first sources to cast light on how the Binis came to acquire their portion of the island are the British colonial records of the late 1800s and early 1900s. No... Those were not the first sources... The First source abt Lagos historically was Josua Ulsheimer..... The Next source that talked abt Lagos was the 1845 French book..... The unique thing abt this two books is that they were present there.. and they acknowledged that the land "Lago" belonged to the Benin and its rulers from Benin or indirectly influenced by Benin The sources u talk abt were mainly oral accounts from the people living there And u know one thing abt oral history, it gets changed, modified and adulterated to suit personal interests, over the years.That's why eyewitness accounts are given more respect than oral stories Infact, there are more oral stories that are lies or folktales that never existed In the light of all these, it thus becomes clear that the idea that Lagos island paid those tributes as a way of acknowledging some defeat is in fact unsubstantiated.Noo... Its infact substantiated not with oral stories like urs but eyewitness accounts, letters and experiences... I'll dig deeper on that in my next post Having said that, refer to the following comment which is a point-by-point refutation of the screenshot you attached. Well, also get ready to see a point-by-point devastation of ur every point
The origin of ashipa is unknown or argued by both parties... If the Benin were asked the same time, Lagos was asked, they would have still given the same answer as Egharevba did in the 1950s ... Irrespective of whatever his origin is , it doesn't change the fact that his becoming the first king of lago was as of the influence of the Oba of Benin Now also according to Ulsheimer who I've said many times was present, he stated that Lago was inhabited by four commanders... Its is very plausible that Esikpa would have come through Benin to rule the land rather than isheri... In accordance with the eyewitness account who stated that Lago was only inhabited by Benin soldiers and commanders, it is very likely that Esikpa or Ashipa was from Benin To sum this up, the Oba of Lagos aligns with my narrative (ii) The other clarification-worthy statements under this second highlight is on tribute and official recognition. Now as I said earlier, the tributes paid was in acknowledgment of defeat to Benin and to show that they were still under the Benin Empire...... The many evidences say such... Now this ur quotation 200 years after Ulsheimer says that ashipa asserted a monarchy independent of the iddo island which used to control the Lagos island... From this, it is very clear that the author never got hold of the first eyewitness account dated 1603 and wrote word for word what a Lagos guy told him.... Now the first eyewitness who was present there specifically said In the land of Lago, lived none other than Benin soldiers and 4 military commanders This goes to show that this land of Lagos had already been conquered or taken from Iddo by the Benin... And was expanding as time goes on... Also as I said earlier, if the land was gotten with negotiation, Ulsheimer would have found out that there was another nearby independent island who gave the land to the Benin and would have written abt another bigger power in the land that where he visited either through the people who came to trade or by any other means possible as at that time Lastly except u are dumb, no one leases land to an army who tried to attack u before... This goes to show that The land Lagos was conquered and not negotiated(the presence of soldiers shows this) So therefore in accordance with Ulsheimer account, the land of Lagos was conquered as at that time and the influence of Iddo weakened by the Benin government... Then 79 years later, the Oba decided to put a king there on the land he already conquered earlier and was expanding Now to debunk ur claims of "ties of gratitude", watch out.. I'm going to do this with a timeline 1) 200 years after Benin made ashipa king, Lagos was still noted to be under the Benin Empire. An 1845 French account confirms this. It is translated as "The land "Lago" doesnt belong to them, it belongs to the Benin who applied the name "Korame" to it... In a later part of the excerpt it says "It continues to receive its governor and political officers from Benin"... Note that this land here was referring to the town called Eko and everyone knows that the land was ruled by the Eleko of Eko who started his dynasty with the help of the Benin king. So definitely this excerpt shows that "Lagos" or "Eko" was ruled indirectly by Benin..... THIS 1845 FRENCH WORK ALSO DEBUNKS UR ORAL ACCOUNT WRITTEN LESS THAN 70 YEARS LATER THAT LAGOS STOPPED PAYING TRIBUTES IN 1830 2) In December 1850, Akitoye wrote a letter to the British (attachment below) where he clearly said that The Oba of Benin had the undisputed right to crown and confirm who the people of Lagos choose to become their king. Note the keyword here is undisputed... Before we go further, let's define The term "undisputed" for ur understanding The term Undisputed means unchallenged and accepted without question... It is important to know that the Oba didn't use the term "ceremonial" but rather "undisputed" to make the Queen of England understand the powerful status of the oba of Benin concerning the politics of Lagos So clearly.. Oba Akitoye clearly said that the Oba of Benin had the unquestionable and unchallenged right to choose whosoever he wants to become the next Oba of Lagos This corroborates the first eyewitness account that says that the land of Lago continued to receive it political leaders and governors from Benin And it also contradicts ur highly revered account of ties of gratitude 3)After Akitoye was deposed by kosoko(who was supposed to become king but wasn't because of his absence), Akitoye went into exile. Kosoko who was also chosen by the Oba of Benin became king. One important event to show Lagos was under Benin Empire was sometime in 1851.. In November 1851 a British party met with Oba Kosoko to present a proposal of British friendly relations along with giving up the Trans Atlantic Slave Trade . The proposal was rejected by Kosoko "on the technical reason that Lagos was under the Oba of Benin and that it was only that Oba who could deal with foreign powers concerning the status of Lagos" References:Sanya Onabamiro. Glimpses Into Nigerian History: Historical Essays . Macmillan Nigeria, 1983. p. 43. L.C. Dioka ,Lagos and Its Environs. First Academic, 2001. p. 75. In a federal system of government, only the federal government have the powers to deal with foreign powers and not the state.... In this case, the federal power was Benin and the state, Lagos. This kosoko just confirmed.. This goes to explain the influence of Benin over Lagos... 4)Later that year, when Kosoko successful repulsed the British attack, Consul John Beecroft wrote to the Oba of Benin declaring that "Kosoko, by opening fire on a flag of truce, had declared war on England" and therefore had to be replaced by Akitoye. He threatened that Kosoko had till the end of the month to surrender otherwise "Lagos would be totally destroyed by fire". References:Robert Sydney Smith. The Lagos Consulate, 1851–1861 . University of California Press, 1979. p. 27. 5)In 1860, Kosoko persuaded the Oba of Benin to send messages to Dosunmu pressing him to allow Kosoko's return to Lagos. Dosunmu, now under British authority, refused this request and noted that things were "not as in former times when Lagos was under the King of Benin to whom annually a tribute was paid" 6)Tributes were found out to have been paid up til 1851 when kosoko was dethroned.. this is shown in the letter below CO147/15 from glover to Kennedy of 17 February 1869 which states that for the beach East of Lagos "with the territory of Lagos, King kosoko paid tributes to the king of Benin until his return to Lagos in 1862 when he ceded his rights to the British Crown and the ambassador of Benin who up till this date had always resided with the king of Lagos returned to Benin called upon me to take their leave informing me that they had been recalled and that no ambassador would in future be accredited to Lagos" This excerpt above is a letter written by the British officials to each other stating what had happened in Lagos 7) On 4 March 1879, CO147/37, Governor Moloney reported to the colonial secretary another visit to Lagos by messengers from the oba of Benin who arrived in February and interviewed King Dosunmu and his chiefs as well as himself References:Smith, Robert. The Lagos Consulate, 1851–1861 . University of California Press, 1979. p. 102. These timelines more than enough shows proof that lagos continued to be influenced by Benin until the dethronement of kosoko First of all, it must be made clear that the header of your attachment here is simply the title of the book (“The Lagos Consulate 1851 — 1861”). The book itself is a 1979 work. The book rather is a compilation of major events that happened in Lagos between 1851 - 1861.. U need to stop deceiving ur self . Now with stunning evidences, experiences and timelines, that weak claim that Benin never influenced Lagos has been debunked... The earliest source concerning lagos as shown is not the late 1800s account but rather the 1603 Josua Ulsheimer account which talked abt soldiers and not traders as ur Lagos account erroneously posted... And that's why the Benin account has received more recognition by historians than the Lagos own not because of Yoruba population but rather because it corroborates the earliest known eyewitness account abt Lagos Cheers IN SUMMATION 1)Lagos was a vassal of Benin kingdom. 2)Lagos paid tributes till 1851 when kosoko was dethroned. 3) Benin had huge influence over the politics of the town called Lagos Gregyboy Etrusen edeyoung Etrusen Samuk valirex areafada2 6 Likes 3 Shares
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Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by Christistruth00: 11:03am On Jan 18, 2021 |
King Kosoko was on Lagos Island at Isale Eko not Lagos Mainland where Ijebu and Egba were in 100% Control. Isheri,, Agege,Ikeja Area ,Iganmu were all busy paying tribute to the Egbas at Abeokuta when the British turned up in 1851. Even on Lagos Island Kosoko had no Authority over the Land which belonged to the Awori or over Ikoyi which belonged to the Onikoyi Royal family who were Ethnic Oyo Origin from Ikoyi in Osun State. The Ikoyi Military Class were the Alaafin of Oyo's Cavalry. It was the Egba Christian's and Ajayi Crowther that had invited the British to invade Lagos Island in Order to end King Kosoko's Slave trade Many of the Egba Christian's and Ajayi Crowther had been freed Slaves themselves 4 Likes 1 Share
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Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by Westtimeline: 11:14am On Jan 18, 2021 |
Mrbillionaire:Lol. The way they package theory of owning the universe ehn, you will think they just germinate from ground hahahahaha 2 Likes |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by Etinosa1234: 11:22am On Jan 18, 2021 |
thatigboman: Someone that clearly doesn't read his posts... One is bothered abt ijaw in Edo state whereas Fulani herdsmen are on the brink of taking over Oyo state with violence 6 Likes 1 Share
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Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by Etinosa1234: 11:26am On Jan 18, 2021 |
forgiveness: That post is clearly a lie... .. The name of the site clearly shows that... He used ogedengbe site to prove ogedengbe ... Besides no where in history will a warrior who is consistently gaining lands in an area stop becaus of mere gifts... That story is a huge flattering lie 2 Likes |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by gregyboy(m): 11:52am On Jan 18, 2021 |
Christistruth00: Benin controlled the entire lagos and gave Autonomy to local chiefs the Benin population wasnt much to spread much of her cultural influence but her political influences wasnt undermine |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by Christistruth00: 12:15pm On Jan 18, 2021 |
gregyboy: Are you still trying to Claim Egba and Ijebu 100% Controlled Lagos Mainland ? Even Lagos Island, Isale Eko the Oba of Lagos domain is on Awori Yoruba Land. For the one thousandth time Oba of Lagos himself telling you with his own mouth at 5.45 Minutes "Benin are not the owners of Lagos' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOsp9VLRFno Get over it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 1 Like |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by Nobody: 12:51pm On Jan 18, 2021 |
This fool again! You are just full of yourself with nothing to show for it. I pity your students. |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by TimeManager(m): 12:57pm On Jan 18, 2021 |
Etinosa1234:The origin of Ashipa is unknown I stopped reading from the first line. All these bare faced lies & revisionism emanated from the fact that your forefathers were allowed to erect a fenced camp called Koname on a tiny portion of land. Even as we speak none of your fathers dare sell a blade of grass in Lagos. kiss the truth! 1 Like |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by Nobody: 1:10pm On Jan 18, 2021 |
TAO11:This is mean. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by TimeManager(m): 1:12pm On Jan 18, 2021 |
gregyboy:Why is it that benin people are doing well in jokes on Nairaland but in real life they're not successful in comedy? kiss the truth! 2 Likes |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by Etinosa1234: 1:19pm On Jan 18, 2021 |
TimeManager: No one cares... Everyone knows ur brain isn't used for reading If u had read more than the first line, u could fallen deep into depression.. Well when ur brain is finally connected, u can go back to reading that text and assimilating it better If u had, u would have known Lagos and Korame and eko are all the same place... For now, Keep shouting "kiss the truth" like a gif on repeat 5 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by TimeManager(m): 1:30pm On Jan 18, 2021 |
Etinosa1234:Save your lies for your families to read. The fact remains that the fenced camp your forefathers were allowed to build is called Koname. The entire Lagos including your tiny camp of Koname belongs to the Yoruba your landlords kiss the truth! 3 Likes |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by Balogunodua(m): 1:38pm On Jan 18, 2021 |
thatigboman: So says another miscreant...go and claim Lagos Na... 1 Like |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by Balogunodua(m): 1:44pm On Jan 18, 2021 |
thatigboman: You can keep wailing for all we care...he just lectured you and all you could say is trash.... 1 Like |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by TimeManager(m): 1:46pm On Jan 18, 2021 |
Balogunodua:The guy is ibo, stop quoting him on this thread. kiss the truth! |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by TimeManager(m): 1:58pm On Jan 18, 2021 |
If you built a camp and called it koname, that's your business. Your koname is a camp, Lagos is never a camp. kiss the truth! 2 Likes |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by Nobody: 2:00pm On Jan 18, 2021 |
Essential: Omo the truth pain this slowpoke o, chai. If you want die handsome means you want die young be that. You can't be 100 years and be handsome nah. Your statement just confirms that you're the dead-brained person here. |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by Nobody: 2:20pm On Jan 18, 2021 |
Christistruth00: OK, that's why we have Ikoyi in Lagos state. So the popular Onikoyi Eso is still the one in Lagos. 1 Like |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by forgiveness: 2:36pm On Jan 18, 2021 |
TAO11: Were Olu-Iwa, Ajebu and Olode from Ile ife? Is Olu-Iwa the elder brother Omu who was the progenitor of both Lamurudu and Oduduwa? I know Olu-Iwa's daughter got married to Obanta. Is Obanta the son of Oduduwa? These questions will determine where Ijebus descended from. I got your other points. Thanks |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by Nobody: 2:37pm On Jan 18, 2021 |
TimeManager: Jjjj 1 Like |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by forgiveness: 2:42pm On Jan 18, 2021 |
gregyboy: Which parts of Lagos? Is it Lagos Island, Victoria Island, Surulere, Ikeja, Lekki, Badagry, Epe, Ikorodu, Ikeja, Ebute Meta etc? Where exactly? 1 Like |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by Nobody: 2:56pm On Jan 18, 2021 |
Yebedervru: Omo see finishing; you get badmouth o. See as you finish Benidiots. |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by Etinosa1234: 3:25pm On Jan 18, 2021 |
forgiveness: Lagos island... That's the original place called Lagos.. Its also where the seat of the oba of Lagos is |
Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by Yebedervru: 3:48pm On Jan 18, 2021 |
Mrbillionaire:Well the Benin hoodlums may not like it but I know them like the back of my hand because Edo Miscreants are very plenty here in Ibadan |
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