klex:

eh hen? put the magun on him too then u both sit back and watch gymnastics

For me Magun is only real if a woman can also put it on her man.

Scare tactics i would say again

And you guys should not get me wrong, there is hell, but no such thing as eternal torment

@TV01

Analytical, Tayo D and the others had no defense especially when i gave them many scriptures to show that human govts were in for destruction and that jesus and the early christians avoided politics. They blindly argued and then finally had to derail the discussion and create a picture like every body now agreed that true christianity and politics mix . Waz kind of interesting. If the example of Jesus and the early christians do not convince them, i wasnt going to bother myself.

To the topic though.
Nothing like a firey hell or hell fire exists. This is one of the many ridiculous teachings the church has imported.

The bible clearly shows that the dead have no feelings or thoughts whatsoever and that the reward for the wicked is death plain and simple. The soul dies and no such thing as eternal torment.

The eternal torment doctrine goes against Christianity coz it ridicules the basis of the Christian Faith---- The Resurection hope and it belies the claim of a loving heavenly father.

The disagreeing brigade would soon land to castigate me but the truth remains what it is

TV01:

Hi everyone,

Could we please have a discussion about this. I'm very much interested in hearing peoples scripture based views.

God bless

My Guy, i am really skeptical about having a discussion with the zealots here who rather than accept clear truths try to say that somebody is advocating the teachings of a cult , just like they did in the politics thread


Well for one thing if any body gives infinite punishment and toture to somebody for wrong he person did in a short life, such a person or god deserves no respect.

The doctrine of eternal torment has no basis from the bible.

Any beign that proposes such a plan is worse than humans. Even the most evil father will not do that to his children not to imagine a Heavenly Father.

I know that by saying the truth ie that nothing like a fiery Hell exists i am setting off a storm but the truth remains what it is.

@TV01, have i unwittingly helped to get ur request fufiled

kdships:

I haven't seen one but a close friend once told me about one he had witnessed. Magun is just too easy for the witchcraft to do. If they can Brainwash, they can Magun. If they can kill innocent souls with so much easy, they can Magun. As long as you give yourself to the devil(Living in Sin), you're very vulnerable to his agents. If you want to be safe with a husband like that just be sure that you're saved and free from sin.

. Yeah right.

Let me ask you one thing. Why are men not scared of women putting the "Magun' on them but the majority of men will still go and sleep around regardless of Magun.

It sounds like scare tactics to me

I actually onder why Men are not scared of their women putting Magun on them. . Its funny or are the men just smarter than the women frightning them with tall stories just to protect their own Ego of saying that no man has been with their wife while they go about town nyashing around. I guess in the olden times men who spent all their times looking for virgins simply for ego sake soon realised that after 2 seconds of their putting their shit in, she could still do what she like, they now came up with frightning stories . I wonder if they would stop if their woman told them she has put magun on them . I bet not.

Magun looks like scare tactics

@nferyn

You still did not provide any example. Saying that lack of archaeological evidence is equal to falsification is baseless. Evidence does not exist for every event in the past and i dont see how that equals falsification. That evidence of what occured 4000 to 5000 years ago can not be dug up does not mean it did not happen. And i wonder on what you base ur argument that its impossible for the world to be repopulated in 5000 years to what it is currently.

You also mention evil, sufferings and natural disasters as proving that there is no God, but the bible has all the answers as to why current conditions in the world are the way it is? do you care to know?


So i am still waiting for concrete proof of falsification. Something that the bible says that science has proved wrong or known historical facts have proved wrong not clutching at straws like saying because they havent dug up any evidence, then its false.

On the other hand the bible provides genuine facts and prophecies which their fufilment indicates it definately was not the work of man. It clearly reflects the wisdom from above. It also had scientific facts that long preceded that known at the time of its writing. Evidences of inspiration abound.

First though, give me evidence of what i asked. Im still waiting

Y'all dont know. Yankee is da place to be. Gives the majority a chance to live well. But if it comes to embezzlment and theivery with goverment connections, Naija all da way

i hope the subway wont implode

@J-girl

Sodom and Gommorah is relative.

To the Arabs in Saudi Arabia, the way women behave in all Southern and Non muslim Nigeria is equivalent to Sodom and Gommorah so for them, letting their female kids grow up in Nigeria would be like Sodom and Gommorah right?

I feel kids can grow up well anywhere in the world. Good family upbringing is the key. When i went to a state secondary school in Naija all that most of the guys did was steal, not attend class, smoke weed and look for girls to fork in the gravel area. That don't sound like growing up well does it?

@nferyn

U failed to give me any examples of what i asked about. I really thought u had some examples

@nferyn

Hmnnnnn ive been following this discussion and i saw where you said that God (and probably the bible too) have been falsified over and over again.

Can you give me an example or some examples?

@Hustler

B&G really need their heads shoved up their ass. Milan is slowly disintegrating an they seem not to notice or probably theve lost some of their passion. Talking about jan transfers

Grimi--------- i still dont know what to say bout him

Oddo---------- a very decent buy. We should be preparing a long term replacement considering that he is already 31

Ronaldo------- I still respect him. lets give him some time.

What i really think we need though is a good central midfielder (Essien type) and A striker. Pato is young but we could
shape him to become great.

Our main concern now should be to finish 4th so Kaka dont leave(even though he is experiencing a dip in form).

I think we should also start looking 4 a replacement for Carlo, he is a good coach and all but he has been around too long+ he is loosing it.

One other thing that really worries me is Gourcuff. Carlo is ruining the guyz carrer and i hope he dosent leave. I dont know why Carlo insists on Seedork even when he is so 4king slow+ losses so much possesion.

Meanwhile we have to work with what we have so my prefered formation with second choices in bracket will be

Dida (Stotari)

Oddo (Cafu)----------Bonera (Simic)--------Kala(Maldini)----------Janku (Grimi )


Gattuso/Brocchi ----------Pirlo(Ambrosini) ----------Gourcuff(Seedork)

Kaka

Gila/Pipo-----------------Ron/Oli


I think this is the best for now and aan overhaul is needed for the summer

bolaoni:

your own sage doesn't reckon with reality abi.

Prolly you are talking about the Italian league of
Van Basten's time.

Then and Now. The Almighty English league was able to have just one Champions league representative in twenty years while the rubbish Serie A had twelve. So much for a rubbish league. It will take the Premiership a hundred years to acheive that

@Hustler Yeah men keep telling the truth my Guy. There is no league like Seria A

To all u deluded premiership fans y'all need to get a life. Switch over to Seria A or something so that the next time Italy lands with 11 world class players and walk away with the Cup you guys wont be suprised. The only suprise to Seria A fans is why Italy dont win everything coz the quality is unbelivable

I dont wish to join the muslim bashing brigade but i really have a few questions

@Belloit n the rest

1 u mentioned women exploitation by pointing to music like 50 cents and said that islam protected women but what i really want to know is
How does one man having 72 women who are not allowed to do anything else, not even open their face just waiting on one old nasty man who they probably abhore to come and open their legs and do grimy things probably against their will protecting women .

2 Why would you refuse to drink beer now in order to qualify to drink it in excess and get drunk later.

3 Why r many moslems so ready to kill at the least provocation?

4 What of faithful women who want to experience male virgins? What is in it for them and why is Janat all about some disgusting old men who just want young girls to just open their legs for them .

I will really like an intellectual response to this

I don't wish to join the muslim bashing brigade but i really have a few questions

All i can say to this thread is
" Prayer Warriors" .

Wonders shall never end

U guyz check this out

http://www.londonnet.co.uk/entertainment/2007/Feb/4782_20070202.php

@Tayo D

Well for me this debate is over but il like to leave u with a few thoughts.

True first century Christianity was incompatible with politics. Constantine, a pagan emperor fused the two and produced a harlot of unimaginable proportions.

True Christianity was never mainstream, and true Christians were the scum of society, hated by mainstream religion and the nations which these Christians were citizens of, exactly as Jesus said because they chose to keep seperate from its politics. Probably to onlookers it was hypocrisy that these Christians were exhibiting by enjoying the benefits of a nations citizenship (for eg Paul) while at the same time proclaiming God's judgement on the Nations which gave them legal rights and all, refusing to pray for the nation, serve the nation nor engage in its politics. True Christians remained the scum of society for as long as they did what was required of them and refuse to glorify the Nations. They were fit for lions and horrible deaths. When christianity deviated, it accepted politics as mainstream.

They first century Christians realised that they could not take part in anyform of human political goverment irrespective of the consequences. Their masters return would bring reward to those who had spent their time advancing the only govt that God approves of and that their were commisioned to loud. Judgement also awaited all those who had deviated from the commision and have turned to promoting wordly human govts which are headed into destruction.

A DYING POLITICAL ORDER SET UP BY SATAN IS NO PLACE FOR TRUE CHRISTIANS. the first century Christians realised this and died for their beliefs.

If i have time il come and list out more passages from the bible

Well i see it is a waste of time out here

All the scriptures showing that God plans to destroy human rulership, the identifying marks of true Christianity and the example of Jesus and his followers does not mean a thing to all the people here. Well itz up to you guyz.

Tayo D says im arguing with myself, Shahan says i argue against the bible and am giving extreme interpretation.

Well i guess the Bible was correct when it said Satan is misleading the whole world. I cant even believe that a somebody could say that wordly politics is a way to achieve Gods kingdom on earth while the bible says a completely different thing.

Human rulership bring Gods kingdom on earth?
I guess than that its a futile exercise.

Christiandoms destruction will be fully deserved as she has let real truth seekers like Tayo D confused.

Rather than following Jesus and his followers example they teach their followers falsehood and then whats left. They come to this forum with bouts of self righteous vindication while clearly ignoring the more important things and the truths of the bible, wasting time on things like should a christian work in a bar, is it sinful, is christian wine alcoholic and other stuffs like that, self righteousness that is not going to acheive anything for them. Makes me feel like this .


Il add a few things later to this

@Analytical

My views represent what the early Christians did. If you are an avid bible student, you don't need to get views from anywhere. the early christians had already set the precedent for what Christianity should be.

@Tayo D and Shahan.
It might be intresting for you two to note that the Bible indicates that Satan and Babylon the Great are MISLEADING THE WHOLE WORLD. So its not some people hidden in Arabia like you might imagine.

And Tayo D you keep going back to isreal and judah. When Gods seed came, he abandoned earthly judah, so trying to say David waged a war is simply decieving yourself.
How many wars did early Christians wage . I posted this before and il post it again.

Tayo D

True Christianity has no part in the rulership from the devil.

See what participation in politics have achieved for so called Christians who Jesus explicitly instructed to keep seprate from the world, have love among themselves and proclaim the only Goverment that God supports of, that of Jesus.

"Christian" Legislators vote for war to kill fellow 'Christians' in another country

"Christian" President signs war act against "Christians" in another country

"Christian" Soilders killing "Christian" Soilders of another country.

"Christians" praying to God to help their Nation win and Kill the Other "Christians" in the other country who are also praying that God help their own country kill the other "Christians" that are trying to kill them

And who says that the Devil does not have the last laugh.

He rules the world and all the Nationalistic divisions come from him.

@Shahan

Your reasoning is completely faulty.

I posted up to 8-10 scriptures where it clearly states that all human rulership will be destroyed but i guess you clearly did not concern urself with that.

Y has Christiandom not been destroyed? its like asking why the world has not been destroyed in over 2000 yrs too.

Paul was well educated, and had Roman citizenship which he used as defense and preaching so the idea of Schooling and Visas, Citizenship does not even come to play. Paul never pledged alligiance to the Roman or anyother nation for that matter, did not pray for their survival nor PARTICIPATE IN THEIR POLITICS.

Paying of taxes was encouraged and Christians were not to resort to violence or try to subvert the State.

READ UP WHY THE ROMAN EMPIRE THREW CHRISTIANS TO LIONS.

The current so called Christianity has completely deviated FROM WHAT TRUE Christianity is.

Internet, fire service?

Let me tell you five things Jesus and Paul did that you cant do

1 Travel every day by horse and Colt back

2 Travel on roads paved with stone.

3 Make all long trips in a ship

4 Men wore skirts

5 Let their beards grow.


Your five listings are a mockery. Unlike the things that you listed that didnot exist in Jesus time, Politics did and ALL TRUE CHRISTIANS FLED FROM IT.

TRUE CHRISTIANS CAN ONLY PLEDGE ALLIGIANCE TO GODS KINGDOM NOT MANS RULERSHIP

kitaun:

@Akola, whats your take now? We core Zizou-ists have been vindicated alongside our hero innit? Make them go chop World Footballer award na them sabi!!

Pls Guy, Matterazzi could be an ass but dont even start Italy deserved two world cups and two player of the year awards.

You guys can go on kissing Henry's ass if you like

babyosisi:

so politics is unbiblical lol.
na wa o

log onto our discussion on the politics thread.

Christiandoms many false practices and beliefs are unacceptable to God. She has made

1 25th december, a day 4 the sun god, into celebrating Christ

2 Easter and other holidays of Pagan origin into Celebration of Christ.

3 Her Harlotry with Rome yielded a power struggle that ended in Clergy-Laity divisions and a papacy that claimed succesion to Christ and Peter .

4 Bloody Wars for Nations in political affairs and so called wars 4 Christ aka crusades .

5 A whole host of Pagan teachings too numerous to mention.

6 Refusal to participate in politics was one of the reasons the State and the then mainstream religion hated and murdred Christians but Christiandom has made it mainstream.


i am tired of the religious thread. Itz kind of exhausting. People that think that they are following Christ are insistent on somethings so there is even no point.

For eg How is accurate knowledge of God and Jesus going to come from different false teachings and practices

babyosisi:

so ,I suppose that bobbyaf and sage are SDA which they refer to as the true church from my deductions,wonders shall never cease.
Only a cult believes theirs is the only true way and y'all are coming dangerously close.

Hey Babyosisi, the reason i refered to John 17:3 is that Jesus said that everlasting life will be gotten through ACCURATE KNOWLEDGE of God and the one he sent Jesus. Paul talked about true christianity as one baptism. the true christians of the first century did not have different denominations. Most morden day "Christian" denominations have different beliefs and practices, most of which are not even from the Bible. They engage in practices that are not beffiting of those claiming to follow Christ (No 1 eg Politics  ).

Well all i am saying is that
REGARDLESS OF WHAT PEOPLE THINK, THE BIBLE DOES NOT SUPPORT THE IDEA OF DIFFERENT ROADS TO GOD AND SUBSEQUENTLY DIFFERENT DENOMINATIONS


Might i also add that i am not SDA

When the Bible says that the Harlot and Satan join hans in misleading the whole world, for something written two thousand years ago, its very fufilment has unfolded even right in front of our eyes, even right here on this forum.

JESUS AND HIS DISCIPLES PAYED TAXES, PAUL HAD A TENT MAKING BUSINESS.

BUT NEITHER JESUS NOR ANY OF THE TRUE FIRST CENTURY CHRISTIANS

1 PARTICIPATED IN POLITICS OF ANYFORM

2 SUPPORTED ANY HUMAN GOVERMENT OF ANY SORT.

3 JOIN IN MILITARY SERVICE TO ANY NATION

4 PRAYED FOR THE WELL BEIGN OF THER "NATION" EVEN WHEN THEIR "NATION" WAS UNDER ATTACK.

5 PLEDGED ALLIGIANCE TO ANY NATION

THESE THINGS ARE INCOMPACTIBLE WITH TRUE CHRISTIANITY.

Jesus and his apostles had the ability to raise the dead, heal the sick, render righteous judgement, comfort the depressed etc

If participation in human politics and rulership was acceptable according to what you guyz are claiming, they should have taken on rulership and SHOWN OTHERS HOW TO RULE, BUT DID THEY? NO, THEY FLED FROM POLITICS LIKE IT WAS A PLAGUE COZ THEY UNDERSTOOD THAT THEY COULD ONLY PLEDGE ALLIGIANCE TO ONE SINGLE GOVERMENT, THAT OF GOD.

THEY UNDERSTOOD THAT HUMAN RULERSHIP WAS WAS UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF THE DEVIL AND COULD THAT THEY COULD NOT EVEN TOUCH IT WITH A ONE MILE POLE.

CHRISTIADOM IS ON A ONE WAY ROAD NOW, HEADED STRAIGHT OFF INTO DESTRUCTION ALONG WITH ALL HUMAN GOVERMENTS.

The 1st century christians were persecuted fiercly by both the Jewish system, and the Roman state for their not pledging alligiance to the state. But they chose to die than take part in human politics.

Jesus prayed for Gods kingdom to come, the only Goverment that true Christians should pledge alligiance to. When that kingdom starts to rule on Earth, then the kingdoms of this world will indeed become the kingdom of our Lord.

The more i discuss about this the more i see why Christiandoms judgement by God will have no Mercy in it. She deserves it every single step of the way. What a wicked Harlot

At Tayo D keep on denying the truth.

What Spotless church . The one currently mired and soiled from the politics of this world.

If you want to really know what God plans to do with human rulership READ THE FFG SCRIPTURES ESP Rev, i posted it for you before n il post it again

Christiandom and other false religious religions are prostituting themselves to political powers, and Christiandom rather than facing the fact that human rulerships n Goverments will be destroyed by God and his Son (Dan2:44, 7:13,14 Psalms 110:5, 2:8,9 John 14:30, Rev 13:12, 16:14-16, Eph 6:12), they are actively engaging in wordly politics and have ignored the commision Jesus gave to his faithful followers to proclaim about his incoming Kingdom alone

True Christianity and politics CAN NEVER MIX. It is no longer true Christianity if the two come together.

Politics of this world is up for destuction as well as all alliances including the Harlot that is scared of letting the Nations know of God judgement.

When the Bible says that Satan and the Harlot influence and MISLEAD THE WHOLE WORLD WITH FALSE PRACTICES AND BELIEFS it is not talking about some people hidden in some Arabian lands. It includes the billions of masses that think that they are following Christ.


If you take time and go through the Bible, you will see that Christiandom has deviated far away from what true Christianity should be and deserves every inch of the Judgement awaiting her.

This is a clear case and should not be confusing to to an avid Bible student.


THE NATIONS ARE FASHIONING OUT WEAPONS FOR THEIR OWN GAIN AND PURPOSES WITHOUT ANY REGARD FOR GOD'S KINGDOM UNDER HIS SON NOR GOD'S PURPOSES FOR THE EARTH. TO ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES THEY DO NOT ACKNOWLEDGE JESUS RIGHTFUL RULERSHIP BUT SPEND ALL THEIR TIME IN FUTILE NATIONALISTIC PURSUITS.

TRUE CHRISTIANITY HAS NO PART IN THAT.

God plans to destroy all human Goverments anyway. Christiandom is too scared to acknowledge that, but rather choses to be a prostitute and align with these goverments in oppsition to the only rightful Goverment and would be destroyed too



Like i said b/4, Marks of true Christianity include

Seprateness from the world (For which true Christians would be persecuted)

Love amongst themselves (No room for nationalistic politics and wars)

Devoted fully to carrying out the one commision of Jesus (not aligning with human rulership and rooting for them)

Base their teachings on the Bible (Most of Christiandom's teachings and practices are pagan and have no bearing on the bible)


Christiandom is now totally disgusting in the sight of God and her professed master Jesus. Her involvment in politics will turn around and destroy her and then it will shock the whole world.
Christiandom, like 1st Century Judaism represents compromised religion and will be destroyed by political powers, the very same way the first century Jewish system that taught it had Gods favour was destroyed by her political alliances.

Itz shocking i know but so it was to 1st century Jews who taught they had Gods favor.

Tayo D

Your response is part of the reason why Christiandom is going to suffer Judgement. It has abandoned teaching its followers truth from the Bible and left them wanting for truth.

You acknowledged that the rulership of this world is in the hands of Satan and that he gives it to whom he wants, that so called Christian politicians fight and kill each other, and that Jesus refused participation in human rulership and all early Christians avoided politics BUT still you are looking for a way to explain it away.

Well like i said before arguing on a religious forum is sometimes not worth it at all but il add this to you.

Babylon the Great is NOT a geographical location. Ancient Babylon was known for pagan doctrines like Triad Gods, Immortality of the soul, use of images in worship, beign in opposition to true worship etc.

Babylon the Great, which Christiandom is a prominent part has adopted these unbiblical teachings as core teachings.

It has influence and is decieving the whole world and has made political alliances with the rulers of this world.

The beast of revelation was given rulership by the devil in to rule the whole world. Revelation clearly shows that that beast refers to human rulership.

Babylon the Great has used false practices to decieve THE WHOLE WORLD. A Good example is the one we are talking about. They make people think it is ok for True Christianity to wallow in Satans political realms.

She has become a Harlot by joining in politics, rather than lauding the only Goverment that God supports.
The beast(human rulership) that recieved power from the devil will hate the Harlot(False religion with Christiandom in the forefront) and would destroy them all.

Tayo D as shocking as it is, its true though.

Peace