at least we know the astronaut in question did not claim to be a christian neither did she claim she was trying to kill the other in the name of God.

Sir nuru, why have you chosen to debate over mere semantics rather than address the issue? What does islam being justly balanced have to do with men whose cousins marry their mothers and who smash their sister's head with a rock in the name of "honor" killings?

and was the hadith sanctioning such actions a fake hadith too?

I don't wish to join the muslim bashing brigade but i really have a few questions

I dont wish to join the muslim bashing brigade but i really have a few questions

@Belloit n the rest

1 u mentioned women exploitation by pointing to music like 50 cents and said that islam protected women but what i really want to know is
How does one man having 72 women who are not allowed to do anything else, not even open their face just waiting on one old nasty man who they probably abhore to come and open their legs and do grimy things probably against their will protecting women .

2 Why would you refuse to drink beer now in order to qualify to drink it in excess and get drunk later.

3 Why r many moslems so ready to kill at the least provocation?

4 What of faithful women who want to experience male virgins? What is in it for them and why is Janat all about some disgusting old men who just want young girls to just open their legs for them .

I will really like an intellectual response to this

Killing of innocent persons is forbidden in Islam, but aggression is discouraged. Islam forbids evil-doing in all its ramifications, adultery, stealing, murder, falsehood, corruption, gambling, drunkenness etc. Islam promotes peace, love, fairness, integrity, fidelity etc. The sharia is meant for this purpose.

Muslims will not rape a captured slave, but seek his/her hand in marriage. And that is fair.

Fornication is punished in Islam when proved by lashes and adultery by stoning. If the promotion of fidelity includes killing the person polluting the society, it will be a strong deterrent. Afterall, a Nigerian was recently killed in Singapore for hard drug possession as a deterrent. You see, each society has what it holds dear to it and what it can kill for. Its not compulsory that one nation's priority should be that of another. To the Muslim nation, anything that will pollute the society morally must be removed. You wont consider that as unfair.

The enjoyment of Paradise is nothing compared to all enjoyments in the world put together.
Its just like telling a baby in the womb that there is a world out there where cinema, telephone, radio etc exist. Such baby cannot comprehend. Closer home its like telling a 2 year old that some pleasure is derived in the bodies of males and females touching at some points. The two year old cannot understand. That is why nobody on earth can truly grasp the nature of the enjoyment in the hereafter for the believers and the good-doers. And if you cannot understand it now, that will not be good reason to deny it.

You know Islam, you just have to accept it today.

@nuru,

nuru:

Muslims will not rape a captured slave, but seek his/her hand in marriage. And that is fair.

Besides the rest of your glaring smoke-screen apologetics, are you saying that it was "fair" that Muhammad's companions were having indiscriminate sex while the Qur'an was being revealed? Did they seek the hand of the slaves they got as "war booties" in marriage before having sex with them? What would you call the following? ~~

Sahih Bukhari: Volume 7, Book 62, Number 136:
Narrated Jabir:We used to practice coitus interruptus while the Quran was being revealed.
(see Sahih Bukhari: Volume 7, Book 62, Number 135: Narrated Jabir: We used to practice coitus interruptus during the lifetime of Allah's Apostle).

Sahih Bukhari: Volume 7, Book 62, Number 137:
Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: We got female captives in the war booty and we used to do coitus interruptus with them. So we asked Allah's Apostle about it and he said, "Do you really do that?" repeating the question thrice, "There is no soul that is destined to exist but will come into existence, till the Day of Resurrection."

Also, what do you mean by "his/her hand in marriage"? Is that to suggest that Muslim men who go to war have sex with male captives as well? Is that not homosexuality you're hinting at?

When you make a post, please be careful what you say in public - you never know just what you're thinking.

The Hadith you quoted did not say coitus was done without the consent of the captives. And if you must know, females too, used to have men captives.

@nuru,

nuru:

The Hadith you quoted did not say coitus was done without the consent of the captives. And if you must know, females too, used to have men captives.

Please could you provide evidence for your claim suggesting that "coitus" was done with the consent of the captives? What consent did Muhammad's companions obtain from their captives before having "coitus interruptus" with them?

nuru:

The Hadith you quoted did not say coitus was done without the consent of the captives. And if you must know, females too, used to have men captives.

And where is that story from your quran or hadith? Thought your women are equated to dogs and animals?

is brother nuru still telling tales by moonlight?

@mrpataki,

mrpataki:

And where is that story from your quran or hadith? Thought your women are equated to dogs and animals?

Lol, I'm not so sure that women are equated to such in the collective meaning of Islam. Certainly, a few texts exist in both the Qur'an and Hadiths about some questionable perceptions of women, which even the Muslims on the Forum have not been able to enunciate upon. However, a few other verses exist as well that give women some compliments.

@davidylan,

He certainly is still living in utopian fiction.

Nuru is living in the Light of Islam and enjoying every bit of it.

nuru:

Nuru is living in the Light of Islam and enjoying every bit of it.

Yeah, i would too if i were born a male muslim and living in relatively secular nations like Nigeria. I doubt if i'd be saying the same about the "light" of islam if i were female born in Kano, Iran or Saudi Arabia!

@nuru,

nuru:

Nuru is living in the Light of Islam and enjoying every bit of it.

With all your "light", could you please provide evidence for your claims as requested earlier above? It is not enough to drivel; your tales by moon[b]light[/b] should also be substantiated.

nuru:

The Hadith you quoted did not say coitus was done without the consent of the captives. And if you must know, females too, used to have men captives.

So after Mohammed killed the whole family of that slave girl ,maria or so,he nicely asked her to sleep with him and she said ok.
Where is the man from,even bellotti has deserted you on this one

nuru:

The Hadith you quoted did not say coitus was done without the consent of the captives. And if you must know, females too, used to have men captives.

I just can't believe that an adult would gabble such applesauce in a public forum. Where is the evidence for the consent/permission that Muhammad's brigand obtained from the women they raped? Was it before or after the rape that the companions sought the consent of their victims?

Some one should be decent enough to read the Hadith very well and not let your hatred for Islam blindfold you. If you insinuate that the captives mentioned in the Hadith were raped, the onus is on you to provide the proof. You know very well that the central theme of that Hadith is to teach that God is capable of doing whatever He wishes. If a child has been decreed by Him to come into the world through man A and woman B, even if they use all the protections of the world put together when mating, the child destined between them will still be conceived. And that should not suprise you. Even Jesus, alaehi Salam was conceived without a father. That is the theme of that Hadith and it behoves you to open your heart and not be prejudiced. Afterall you are supposed to be educated and truth seeking.

TODAY IS THE DAY YOU SHOULD ACCEPT ISLAM. TOMORROW MAY BE TOO LATE.

Finally Shahan is back.

I am geting sick of these sex stories and i dont know what makes you feel like some kind of women liberators or how in reality an average christian can claim more accolades than muslim in treatment of women folks. Sometimes you guys tend to mixed up arab cultures and extremism with the real islam, citing some extreme situations while you are always quick to distance christianity with entertainers or guys like Timothy Mcveigh or Hitler.

Its so funny

@nuru,

nuru:

Some one should be decent enough to read the Hadith very well and not let your hatred for Islam blindfold you. If you insinuate that the captives mentioned in the Hadith were raped, the onus is on you to provide the proof. You know very well that the central theme of that Hadith is to teach that God is capable of doing whatever He wishes. If a child has been decreed by Him to come into the world through man A and woman B, even if they use all the protections of the world put together when mating, the child destined between them will still be conceived. And that should not suprise you. Even Jesus, alaehi Salam was conceived without a father. That is the theme of that Hadith and it behoves you to open your heart and not be prejudiced. Afterall you are supposed to be educated and truth seeking.

TODAY IS THE DAY YOU SHOULD ACCEPT ISLAM. TOMORROW MAY BE TOO LATE.

Where is your evidence for the consent that Muhammad's companions obtained before they had coitus interruptus with their booties? Are you not supposed to be educated?



@belloti,

belloti:

Finally Shahan is back.

I am geting sick of these sex stories and i don't know what makes you feel like some kind of women liberators or how in reality an average christian can claim more accolades than muslim in treatment of women folks. Sometimes you guys tend to mixed up arab cultures and extremism with the real islam, citing some extreme situations while you are always quick to distance christianity with entertainers or guys like Timothy Mcveigh or Hitler.

Its so funny

I am also sick of these sex stories in the Hadiths and the Qur'an. All we want is simply nuru's educated evidence for the consent for coitus interruptus by Muhammad's companions.

Now, can we also have your educated evidence that Timothy Mcveigh or Hitler wrote or obeyed the Bible in the same way that Muhammad crafted the Qur'an and solicited your obedience?

belloti:

Sometimes you guys tend to mixed up arab cultures and extremism with the real islam, citing some extreme situations while you are always quick to distance christianity with entertainers or guys like Timothy Mcveigh or Hitler.
Its so funny

Simple! Because people like timothy Mcveigh and Hitler where NEVER christians neither did they claim to be so nor did they indicate they were fighting for Jesus. your islamic extremists on the other hand never fail to remind us that they are waging an islamic jihad, even osama bn ladin quotes the quran each time he sends out his death squads!

nuru:

TODAY IS THE DAY YOU SHOULD ACCEPT ISLAM. TOMORROW MAY BE TOO LATE.

More plagiarised tales by moon[b]light[/b]

@davidylan,

davidylan:

nuru link=topic=26946.msg875445#msg875445 date=1171002312:

TODAY IS THE DAY YOU SHOULD ACCEPT ISLAM. TOMORROW MAY BE TOO LATE.

More plagiarised tales by moon[b]light[/b]

I missed that! How come these fellows are now finding Christian cliches so palatable? A sign that they're coming home afterall? I pray they hurry up!

bari_kade:

I missed that! How come these fellows are now finding Christian cliches so palatable? A sign that they're coming home afterall? I pray they hurry up!

Not really. It's more a sign of the end times. Jesus says unless those times were shortened even the very elect would be decieved.
Islam is being made to look so much like a parallel to christianity that the likes of goodguy are now decieved into thinking we serve the same "God"!

when the now hold crusades,say God bless you and talk of the glory of God and miracles.
Somebody tell me when they start laying on of hands.

You are basically confirming the fact that you never knew Islam. Because most of our prayers is in arabic, you tend to find the english translation amusing. Let me translate some few to you:-

Assalam Alaykum = Peace be upon you

Allahu Akbar = God is Great

Alhamdu lillah = Glory be to God

Yar ha mukallah = God bless you.

If you indeed want to attack islam as you always do, may be you need some arabic lessons, instead of exposing your stark ignorance.

@babyosisi,

babyosisi:

when the now hold crusades,say God bless you and talk of the glory of God and miracles.
Somebody tell me when they start laying on of hands.

Soon, dear babyosisi, . . . soon.

Perhaps, another prophet of Islam will need to persuade them to start using expressions of the Cross. One only needs to read the Hadiths to see how these chaps so disliked any expression of crosses -

Sunan Abu-Dawud, Book 3: Book 3, Number 0902:
Narrated Abdullah ibn Umar:
Sa'id ibn Ziyad ibn Subayh al-Hanafi said: I prayed by the side of Ibn Umar and I put my hands on my waist. When he finished his prayer, He said: This is a cross in prayer; the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) used to forbid it.

Malik's Muwatta, Book 3: Book 3, Number 3.13.54:
Yahya related to me from Malik from Abd ar-Rahman ibn al-Qasim that Abdullah ibn Umar told him that he used to see Abdullah ibn Umar cross his legs in the sitting position of the prayer.He said, "So I did the same, and I was young at the time. Abdullah ibn Umar forbade me and said, 'The sunna of the prayer is that you keep your right foot vertical and lay your left foot down.' I said to him, 'But you do the same (as I did).' He said, 'My feet do not support me.' "

A song from my musical album ' Assalatu Classic' released in 1997

" I am happy, I am a Muslim
I am happy, Islam is my own choice
I am happy, I am a Muslim
I am happy, Allah is my own God ''

'' Islam means power against evil
Islam means power against darkness
Islam means power against sorrow
Islam means the way to happiness
Islam means the everlasting joy ''

'' Islam mans the religion of Truth
Islam means the religion of Love
Islam means the religion of Peace
Islam means the way to paradise
Islam means the way to salvation ''

'' I really want to say Islam is very good
I really want to say Islam is very fine
You've got to be a Muslim, happiness will be yours '' 2ce

'' Come now let us be Muslims
Come now come into Islam'' 2ce

what is the message of the song?

nuru:

I am happy, Islam is my own choice

I wonder since when Islam preaches choice?

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

The lesson? ISLAM IS THE WAY TO ETERNAL BLISS

Wonder whether your women in Iran etc can say that Indeed Islam is eternal bliss