funny enough, I wonder why christians attack muslims when it comes to the issue of war fought by the Holy Prophet in the Glorious Quran yet these same people never knew that they have the highest number of incest cases , rape, murder, killing of innocent children, slavery, stealing women, taking properties of war captives, racism etc. recorded in their bible.

hmmmmmmm

@babs787,

babs787:

funny enough, I wonder why christians attack muslims when it comes to the issue of war fought by the Holy Prophet in the Glorious Quran yet these same people never knew that they have the highest number of incest cases , rape, murder, killing of innocent children, slavery, stealing women, taking properties of war captives, racism etc. recorded in their bible.

hmmmmmmm

You should know, more than any other person, that Muhammad hated both Jews and Christians, besides his 'revelations' to slay pagans. The JEWISH wars of the Old Testament are not doctrines of command for CHRISTIANS - and just as Muhammad said, if you are in doubt, ask "the people of the book" by reading the New Testament.

The cases of "incest, rape, murder, killing of innocent children, slavery, stealing women, taking properties of war captives, racism etc" are more suited to the adventures of Muhammad than to the disciples of Jesus Christ. These cases are confirmed both in the Qur'an and the Hadiths - not merely as history, but as doctrines of commandments for Muslims.

The broad generalization of accusing Christians of the sins of Muhammad hasn't won any arguments/debates; and which sincere and honest Muslim can deny that al-Taqiyya (the doctrine of lying) is one of the confirmed tenets of Islam??

@get me

You should know, more than any other person, that Muhammad hated both Jews and Christians, besides his 'revelations' to slay pagans. The JEWISH wars of the Old Testament are not doctrines of command for CHRISTIANS - and just as Muhammad said, if you are in doubt, ask "the people of the book" by reading the New Testament.

can you bring me a verse that says Christians should be slayed?

The broad generalization of accusing Christians of the sins of Muhammad hasn't won any arguments/debates; and

The above had been debunked

@babs787,

babs787:

can you bring me a verse that says Christians should be slayed?

Sura 4 vs.89
They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks.

Sura 9 vs.111
Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme.

babs787:

The broad generalization of accusing Christians of the sins of Muhammad hasn't won any arguments/debates; and

The above had been debunked

By who? Or was that too hard for you to understand?

@4 get me

Make sure you understand every verse before posting them here.

Sura 4 vs.89
They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks.

Here, how come christians. Was christian mentioned? The verse is referring to pagans when they were introduced to Islam and they rejected it and resorted to fighting the prophet.

Sura 9 vs.111
Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme.

Like I said, make sure you understand every verse before posting here.

The above verse is referring to Believers. Allah talks about Paradise for the believers that killed people (during the war) and were also killed (by people during the war). Those that fight in Allah's cause, the believers.

Understood?

Brother, this verse is talking

No body should be deceived by babs al taquiya,
Islam is indeed a violent religion and any Muslim who follows its teachings to the letter is a potential terrorist,

The Sura 47:4 “Therefore, when you meet the Unbelievers in fight, smite at their necks; at length, when you have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly on them… He lets you fight in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the way of Allah, - He will never let their deeds be lost.” Another English translation says, “When ye encounter the infidels, strike off their heads till ye have made a great slaughter among them, and of the rest make fast the fetters.”

Sura 59:2 “It is He Who got out the Unbelievers among the People of the Book from their homes at the first gathering of the forces. Little did you think that they would get out: and they thought that their fortresses would defend them from Allah! But the wrath of Allah came to them from quarters from which they had little expected it, and cast terror into their hearts, so that they destroyed their own dwellings by their own hands and the hands of the Believers.”

Sura 59:4,5 “That is because they resisted Allah and His Messenger: and if any one resists Allah, verily Allah is severe in punishment. Whether you cut down O you Muslims the tender palm-trees, or if you left them standing on their roots, it was by leave of Allah, and in order that He might cover with shame the rebellious transgressors.”

Sura 59:14 “They will not fight you even together, except in fortified townships, or from behind walls. Strong is their fighting spirit amongst themselves: you would think they are united, but their hearts are divided: that is because they are a people devoid of wisdom.”

Sura 61:4 “Verily God loveth those who, as though they were a solid wall, do battle for his cause in serried lines!”

Surah 61 encourages the Muslims to give their wealth for their cause, and if necessary their lives for the cause of Islam. It is passages like this that advocate war. Sura 61:9-11 “Fain would they put out the light of God with their mouths! but though the Infidels hate it, God will perfect his light. He it is who sent his apostle with guidance and the religion of truth, that, though they hate it who join other gods with God, He may make it victorious over every other religion.” O ye who believe! shall I lead you to a bargain that will save you from a grievous Penalty?- That ye believe in God and His Apostle, and that ye strive (Jihad) (your utmost) in the Cause of God, with your property and your persons: that will be best for you, if ye but knew!

Sura 69:44-48 “And if the apostle were to invent any sayings in Our name, We should certainly seize him by his right hand, And We should certainly then cut off the artery of his heart: Nor could any of you withhold him (from Our wrath). But verily this is a Message for the God-fearing.”

Sura 66:9: “O Prophet! make war on the infidels and hypocrites, and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their abode! and wretched the passage to it!” Another translation says, “Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal sternly with them. Hell shall be their home, evil their fate”

Sura 8:39-40: “Say to the infidels: If they desist from their unbelief, what is now past shall be forgiven them; but if they return to it, they have already before them the doom of the ancients! Fight then against them till strife be at an end, and the religion be all of it God's.” Another translation is 8.39 “And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah; but if they desist, then surely Allah sees what they do.”

Sura 9:5: “And when the sacred months are passed, kill those who join other gods with God wherever ye shall find them; and seize them, besiege them, and lay wait for them with every kind of ambush: but if they shall convert, and observe prayer, and pay the obligatory alms, then let them go their way, for God is Gracious, Merciful.”

This is but a small sampling of the hatred and violence that is included in this book that can be used by those of this religion. This book is the foundation upon which this religion is founded. This begins to explain the motivation and the action we see by those who put these sayings into practice. Islam is not based on the individual opinion of Muslims, but the Qur’an. So why is it I’m able to find what others say is not there?

What are there expectations? Do they want to live in peace with others and allow people the freedom to choose? There are some who believe in peace and there are numerous verses that speak of not killing or harming others, even animals. But Militant / fundamentalist Islam's goal, is able to use passages in the Qur’an for their goal of bringing all mankind into submission (“Islam”). And if not then the other option is to kill all “infidels”, unbelievers if necessary (these are the unbelievers in Allah and Muhammad his prophet, not unbelievers in God (Sura 2:190-192;4:76; 5:33; 9:5, 29,41; 47:4).

Islam in obedience to the Qur’an is the driving force for most of the terrorism today we are seeing today. If you don't believe this, check who the majority of people are that are doing the terrorist acts throughout the world.

The truth is that the only sure way to paradise for a Muslim, to die in a Jihad. Sura 9:111 “God hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than God? Then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme.” “And if you are slain, or die in the way of Allah, forgiveness and mercy from Allah are far better than all they could amass.” (Surah 3:157 Al-Imran 3:157)

words of the Koran .

Baby, there is something i dont understand in your posts. Are you encouraging muslims to be terrorists by reminding them of the available islamic premise for such actions or are you just happy slanting the so-called moderate muslims that have time to talk to you by stressing your inaccurate islamic view points?. If indeed we accept that terrorism and violence are bad then it will do us more good by supressing those misunderstood motives and talk about uniting factors and encourage peaceful relation.

I am a complete and 100% muslim and follows islamic teachings to the best of my ability and if you think i am a potential terrorist, too bad.

@babyosis,

The verses you quoted were revealed during the wars with the unbelievers.

My sister, It is very glaring that you dont understand Jihad. Jihad encompasses all striving towards Islam and not fighting alone.

Doing good is also Jihad
Marriage is also Jihad
Dawah is also jihad
etc,

Now read the below, the same way I gave it out to my dear brother backslider on the treatment of Christians during the prophet's time

Around the 4th year of Hijrah, the Holy Prophet granted to the monks of the Monastry of St. Catherine, near Mount Sinai, his liberal charter by which they secured for the Christians noble and generous privileges and immunities. He undertook himself and enjoined his followers, to protect the Christians, to defend their churches and the residences of their priests and to guard them from all injuries.

They were not to be unfairly taxed; no bishop was to be driven out of his diocese; nor Christian was to be forced to reject his religion; no monk was to be expelled from his Monastry; no pilgrim was to be stopped from his pilgrimage; nor were the Christian churches to be pulled down for the sake of building mosques or houses for the Muslims.

Christian women married to Muslims were to enjoy their own religion and not to be subjected to compulsion or annoyance of any kind. If the Christians should stand in need of assistance for the repair of their churches or monasteries, or any other matter pertaining to their religion, the Muslims were to assist them. This was not to be considered as supporting their religion, but as simply rendering them assistance in special circumstances.

Maa Salam

babs787:

@babyosis,

The verses you quoted were revealed during the wars with the unbelievers.

My sister, It is very glaring that you don't understand Jihad. Jihad encompasses all striving towards Islam and not fighting alone.

Doing good is also Jihad
Marriage is also Jihad
[b]Dawah is also jihad[/b]etc,

Now read the below, the same way I gave it out to my dear brother backslider on the treatment of Christians during the prophet's time

Around the 4th year of Hijrah, the Holy Prophet granted to the monks of the Monastry of St. Catherine, near Mount Sinai, his liberal charter by which they secured for the Christians noble and generous privileges and immunities. He undertook himself and enjoined his followers, to protect the Christians, to defend their churches and the residences of their priests and to guard them from all injuries.

They were not to be unfairly taxed; no bishop was to be driven out of his diocese; nor Christian was to be forced to reject his religion; no monk was to be expelled from his Monastry; no pilgrim was to be stopped from his pilgrimage; nor were the Christian churches to be pulled down for the sake of building mosques or houses for the Muslims.

Christian women married to Muslims were to enjoy their own religion and not to be subjected to compulsion or annoyance of any kind. If the Christians should stand in need of assistance for the repair of their churches or monasteries, or any other matter pertaining to their religion, the Muslims were to assist them. This was not to be considered as supporting their religion, but as simply rendering them assistance in special circumstances.

blabs 787at it again. Where in the quran is all the jargons you stated, that I highlighted here stated?

@mrpataki,

You will never stop being ignorant.

You expected to see all that in the Quran. Common, the holy Quran is not like the bible where you have letters written to another person, sayings of prophets, etc. The Quran comprises only the word of Allah.

I gave you those from one of the wars fought by the prophet (saw). You read how christians were treated.

I even challenged your brother to give me a verse that says 'christians' should be killed but rather he gave me verses on believers likewise your sister.

You may give me a verse that says' christians should be killed"

@babs787,

babs787:

I even challenged your brother to give me a verse that says 'christians' should be killed but rather he gave me verses on believers likewise your sister.

You've a fine reputation for seeking a particular phrase or word which you devise in order to feed your ignorance or denials against the Bible. It's easy: the verses from the Qur'an do not negate the established belief that Christians be killed. Not long ago in Afghanistan, the world witnessed how a Christian convert was being pursued around with threats of death - for being a Christian!

Not only so, this is how the Qur'an describes Jews and Christians at some point in Muhammad's theology (Sura 5 vs.82):

1. Jews are enemies

"Strongest among men in enmity to the believers wilt thou find the Jews and Pagans;"

2. Christians are devoted men of learning and not arrogant

"and nearest among them in love to the believers wilt thou find those who say, 'We are Christians': because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant.

Behind this cavalier, what was Muhammad's real reaction to the "people of the Book"?

1. Both Jews and Christians are regarded as enemies (Sura 5 vs.51)

"O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust."

Now add to these the hatred quoted earlier that you're referring to about the slaying of non-Muslims.  My question still remains: at whatever point in Muhammad's career, why did he hate Jews and Christians so much that even the Qur'an could not conceal this hatred?

4get_me:


(Sura 5 vs.82):
1. Jews are enemies

"Strongest among men in enmity to the believers wilt thou find the Jews and Pagans;"

2. Christians are devoted men of learning and not arrogant

"and nearest among them in love to the believers wilt thou find those who say, 'We are Christians': because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant.



1. Both Jews and Christians are regarded as enemies (Sura 5 vs.51)

"O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust."

Now add to these the hatred quoted earlier that you're referring to about the slaying of non-Muslims. My question still remains: at whatever point in Muhammad's career, why did he hate Jews and Christians so much that even the Qur'an could not conceal this hatred?

@4getme,
The answer to your question might not be far fetched. Muhammed hate the Jews and Christians most likely because they told him he is a confused man with his new brand of polytheism potrayed as monotheism. History records that Muhammed tried to present his new ideology of Islam to the Jews and Christians but he was rejected as a prophet and his ideology of islam was also rejected. As a proud nationalistic arab, his anger at the rejection is understandable.

Probably the first part you quoted above was the revelation he "received" when he was trying to woo the Arab Christians into Islam; but upon his rejection, he "received" the revelation not to keep them as friends and/or to kill them all. How convenient! Very much like a sulking little child when his friends refused to play with him. Sallam

babs787:

@mrpataki,

You will never stop being ignorant.

You expected to see all that in the Quran. Common, the holy Quran is not like the bible where you have letters written to another person, sayings of prophets, etc. The Quran comprises only the word of Allah.

I gave you those from one of the wars fought by the prophet (saw). You read how christians were treated.

I even challenged your brother to give me a verse that says 'christians' should be killed but rather he gave me verses on believers likewise your sister.

You may give me a verse that says' christians should be killed"

I ask you for a verse, you go ahead to attack me rather than go into the scriptures to find it out yourself. At least it is in your useless quranic book that the Infidels (Christians) should be killed!

Try to reason for a second and stop being useless in your ferreting for errors in the Holy Scriptures.

belloti:

Baby, there is something i don't understand in your posts. Are you encouraging muslims to be terrorists by reminding them of the available islamic premise for such actions or are you just happy slanting the so-called moderate muslims that have time to talk to you by stressing your inaccurate islamic view points?. If indeed we accept that terrorism and violence are bad then it will do us more good by supressing those misunderstood motives and talk about uniting factors and encourage peaceful relation.

I am a complete and 100% muslim and follows islamic teachings to the best of my ability and if you think i am a potential terrorist, too bad.

far be it from me bellotti to incite terrorism.
babs denied that the Koran did not call for killings and I quoted those to prove him wrong.

But please you moderates should disregard those violent areas and stick to the peaceful callings.
we love the peaceful moslems like you as long as you are not practicing al taquiyah also.

@batu,

batu:

@4getme,
The answer to your question might not be far fetched. Muhammed hate the Jews and Christians most likely because they told him he is a confused man with his new brand of polytheism potrayed as monotheism. History records that Muhammed tried to present his new ideology of Islam to the Jews and Christians but he was rejected as a prophet and his ideology of islam was also rejected. As a proud nationalistic arab, his anger at the rejection is understandable.

Probably the first part you quoted above was the revelation he "received" when he was trying to woo the Arab Christians into Islam; but upon his rejection, he "received" the revelation not to keep them as friends and/or to kill them all. How convenient! Very much like a sulking little child when his friends refused to play with him. Sallam

I feel you; and kai! - I just bit my finger that you anticipated babs787 on this one. I had hoped that he would come back again and try to make more denials - only then would I have presented the issue you posted to him, so that any reader following our discussions would see how easy it is for babs787 to pretend issues.

Anyhow, you did well all the same in helping out here. I register my thanks.

@batu, 4 get me and pataki,

Posted by batu
[b]Not only so, this is how the Qur'an describes Jews and Christians at some point in Muhammad's theology (Sura 5 vs.82):

1. Jews are enemies
"Strongest among men in enmity to the believers wilt thou find the Jews and Pagans;"[/b]

No emphasis on christians here

Posted by batu
2. Christians are devoted men of learning and not arrogant.

Just like my brother backslider

Posted by batu
"and nearest among them in love to the believers wilt thou find those who say, 'We are Christians': because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant.

Behind this cavalier, what was Muhammad's real reaction to the "people of the Book"?

Still no where that says christians should be killed

Posted by batu
1. Both Jews and Christians are regarded as enemies (Sura 5 vs.51)

"O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust."

Now add to these the hatred quoted earlier that you're referring to about the slaying of non-Muslims. My question still remains: at whatever point in Muhammad's career, why did he hate Jews and Christians so much that even the Qur'an could not conceal this hatred?

Brothers. your problem is only comprehension. The above verse means that muslims should not take jews as Auliyah (protector, helpers) and not probably what you might be thinking

@babs787,

babs787:

@batu, 4 get me and pataki,

Posted by batu
[b]Not only so, this is how the Qur'an describes Jews and Christians at some point in Muhammad's theology (Sura 5 vs.82):

1. Jews are enemies
"Strongest among men in enmity to the believers wilt thou find the Jews and Pagans;"[/b]

No emphasis on christians here

Muhammad did not wait for your emphasis before hating Jews and Christians.

babs787:

Posted by batu
2. Christians are devoted men of learning and not arrogant.

Just like my brother backslider

Posted by batu
"and nearest among them in love to the believers wilt thou find those who say, 'We are Christians': because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant.

Behind this cavalier, what was Muhammad's real reaction to the "people of the Book"?

Still no where that says christians should be killed

Another al-taqiyya. We know that the killing of Christians is an entrenched tenet of Islam - and I have offered the case of the Afghani Muslim convert to Christianity whose death was being sought by Muslims.

babs787:

Posted by batu
1. Both Jews and Christians are regarded as enemies (Sura 5 vs.51)

"O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust."

Now add to these the hatred quoted earlier that you're referring to about the slaying of non-Muslims. My question still remains: at whatever point in Muhammad's career, why did he hate Jews and Christians so much that even the Qur'an could not conceal this hatred?

Brothers. your problem is only comprehension. The above verse means that muslims should not take jews as Auliyah (protector, helpers) and not probably what you might be thinking

We didn't have to think anything - we only had to watch the interpretation of that verse manifested in the hatred Muslims have expressed against the Jews - so much so that Muhammad referred to them as pigs.

@4 get me

Posted by 4 get me
Muhammad did not wait for your emphasis before hating Jews and Christians.

I have told you to give me a verse that says christians should be killed. Why are you associating yourself with the jews. Are you a jew?

My brother I have told you, the wars the prophet fought then were fought defensively and to repel aggression. The wars were not fought with christians. Christians were given freedom to leave and do anything and EVEN PRACTISED THEIR FAITH.

Posted by 4 get me
We didn't have to think anything - we only had to watch the interpretation of that verse manifested in the hatred Muslims have expressed against the Jews - so much so that Muhammad referred to them as pigs.

Brother, I wonder why you are always quick at attacking muslims but failed in noting that same or even worse exists in your bible.

Jesus says in
Mathew 7v5: Hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will be see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.

You acted contrary to Jesus' saying. You didnt note the below verses in your bible before attacking muslims

Well, if you are saying Muhammed (saw) hated jews and referred to them as pigs, please explain the below verses for me

Jesus said to her who sought her help
Mark 7v27: it is not meet to take the children's bread and cast it unto the DOGS.

In the above, the jews are regarded to as the children while gentiles is referred to as Dogs.

He also said
Mathew 7v6: Do not give that which is holy TO THE DOGS neither cast your pearls to the PIGS.

@ blaba-tunde 787,

Who are the infidels that should be killed from your quran?

@mrpataki,

Why pretending as being blind.

Common, say something on the above verse, the issue of pigs and dogs as used by Jesus in the bible.

Am still asking you to give me a verse that says christians should be killed.

I wonder why you always associate yourself with the jews when you are not a jew.

Christians were allowed to practice teir religion during the prophets era.

babs787:

Well, if you are saying Muhammed (saw) hated jews and referred to them as pigs, please explain the below verses for me
Jesus said to her who sought her help
Mark 7v27: it is not meet to take the children's bread and cast it unto the DOGS.

In the above, the jews are regarded to as the children while gentiles is referred to as Dogs.

He also said
Mathew 7v6: Do not give that which is holy TO THE DOGS neither cast your pearls to the PIGS.

@blabs787,
To answer your question above, I will use the method that Jesus use frequently to counter or answer questions asked by ignorant loud-mouthed, unschooled peoples with not much wisdom or revelation, but who always shout the loudest (e.g self righteous pharisees, and pharisee-like peoples such as yourself blab787).
Jesus usually ask them a question to answer their question. Now since you wanted to know the explanation of the verse you quoted, I ask you: (1) what was the woman's respose to the statement of Jesus you quoted above?; and then (2) what did Jesus say finally to the woman?.
The answers can be found in the next 2 verses to help you; and you will know that Jesus is not a low-life prejudicial 'scumbag' like Muhammed or his idol god called allah, to be calling people pigs "literarily".

babs787:

Posted by 4 get me
Muhammad did not wait for your emphasis before hating Jews and Christians.
. . . . . . . . .
Posted by 4 get me
We didn't have to think anything - we only had to watch the interpretation of that verse manifested in the hatred Muslims have expressed against the Jews - so much so that Muhammad referred to them as pigs.
. . . . . . . . .

Well, if you are saying Muhammed (saw) hated jews and referred to them as pigs, please explain the below verses for me

Jesus said to her who sought her help
Mark 7v27: it is not meet to take the children's bread and cast it unto the DOGS.

It shouldn't be a difficult one for 4get_me to answer that question, I guess.

The basic question was about MUHAMMAD'S HATRED of the Jews - that was the question posed by 4get_me.

When Jesus used those terms as quoted by babs787, was He expressing HATRED for the woman - in the same way that Muhammad was HATING the Jews? The fact that Jesus granted her request shows His grace towards her.

What would happen if a Jew was to find himself in Iran or Saudi Arabia today? How would he be treated by Muslims who adhere to Muhammad's Islamic tenets??

a mullah finds Christ.
The testimony is indeed miraculous.
babs please watch it and tell me what you think.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRRP2ZhkNi4

Why are we preaching so much hatred here? Islam is for muslims and Christianity is for christians. Cant we ever live peacefully, guys?

@babyosis,

thats not new. We have cases of Pastors turning to Islam.

what do you have to say to this link

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4615171
or

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/13/AR2006121301948.html

and


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/6136192.stm

common babs.
I expected to see an interview of a pastor turned Muslim and all you could come up with was that?
Which by the way was despicable,every Christian would tell you let the Law take care of him he was not representing the teachings of Christ,we would not not try to rationalise it the way you tell me 9 year olds were old enough and mature to be wives.

babs787:

@babyosis,

thats not new. We have cases of Pastors turning to Islam.

what do you have to say to this link

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4615171
or

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/13/AR2006121301948.html

and


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/6136192.stm

None of the links showed any pastor "turning to Islam".

My dear I think he got his pastings mixed up lol.
Soon he'll find that overweight white man that claims to be a former Catholic priest turned Islamic cleric.
(As though all Catholic priests were saved)

After reading about Mohammed and Islam,my conclusion is that any man that claims to have been a "Christian" and turns Muslim is a pervert until proven otherwise.

After reading about Muhammad and Islam,my conclusion is that any man that claims to have been a "Christian" and turns Muslim is a pervert until proven otherwise.

Tell them ooh!

@babyosisi,

babyosisi:

My dear I think he got his pastings mixed up lol.

Lol, he's always getting so many things mixed up - and the latest is his confusing me for someone else.

babyosisi:

Soon he'll find that overweight white man that claims to be a former Catholic priest turned Islamic cleric.
(As though all Catholic priests were saved)

You can't blame him much. In Islam, conversion is very closely associated with genocide or killings. So, one can understand his raison d'être for those links.

Gamine:

babyosisi link=topic=26946.msg919813#msg919813 date=1172512639:

After reading about Muhammad and Islam,my conclusion is that any man that claims to have been a "Christian" and turns Muslim is a pervert until proven otherwise.

Tell them ooh!

Took it straight out of my mouth!

@babyosis & syrup,

I never missed up anything. I posted the thread for you to say something on the genocide perpetrated by christians in Rwanda. Am sure, if it were muslims, you would have posted stories here.

Secondly, muslims are not christians that go about deceiving people with their converts. Afterall, you babyosis, have read the stories of malcolm x, cat stephens etc. Muslims dont broadcast it like you do in order to deceive people likewise the keeping of Islamic names.

My brother babs makes a lot of sense to me i dont know why you girls always get him wrong. He is a muslim and he explain things from islamic view points which naturally could be contrary to your own spiritual perceptions, i cant see where the conflicts spring from. You dont expect him to come here and try to please you by joining you in attacking Islam. Converts or no converts we can only account for our own actions and allow others to be.