@topic please no need to argue with Jackal. ive sen the guy is not objective

He is hyping a league that managed to produce ONLY One champions league finalist in 16 years while their Italian counterparts produced 11 and spain produced 7. He is hyping a league technical bodies in football know is not worth a footballer of year. He has not asked himself y the biggest names in football don't play in the league( Marradonna Stoichkov, Romario,Figo, Zidane, Davids, Ronaldo, Cafu, Thuram,Maldini, Rivaldo, Albertini, Nedved, Ayala,Hagi,J Zannetti, Dino Zoff, Baggio, Deschamps, Desaily, Salas, Zammarano, Batigol, Djorkaeff, Sammer, Lother Matthaus, Vieri,Ronaldinho, Kaka, Weah, Suker etc too numerous to mention.

on the other hand though, the biggest stars to play in The EPL were rejects from other leagues

Viera, Henry, Kanu, Bergkamp, etc and the retirees including Desaily, Weah, Vialli etc

Pirlo was the man of the match 4 the finals too

@ hustler, what do u think about Brocchi now. Did u get a chance to watch him at Fiorentina. i havent seen him play in a while.

Meanwhile even though Ancelotti prefered the christmas tree formation (4-3-2-1) with Ruicosta and Kaka supporting a lone striker, i think he will bend to the wishes of the fans again and play two strikers in a diamond formation (4-1-2-1-2). Either way with Rui Costa gone and a need 4 a striker, i dont know what he plans to do. He still says itz going to be 2 strikers so i guess the fans will have to wait on that. Either way with Pirlo directing operations, i feel our slick passing and possesion game mixed with a quick counter attack is good.

Lets analyse te players and who u think is best suited for each position in either formation

Dalla Bonna has been sold to Napoli. He was 25 and not that good

the order is

1 Seria A

2 La Liga

3 Premiership

4 etc

@ Hustler ur assesment is Perfect esp the technicality part and premiership beign a retirement home

Lets analyze the number of times clubs from the leagues have appeared in the Champs league Final since 1990

Italy ------------ 12 times

Spain------------- 8 times

England ----------- 3 times (including the last two)

No established player has ever gone to the English league except reacently. The big names that they have/ had were cast out from other leages esp Italy ( Bergkamp, Viera, Henry, Kanu)

The big players during their prime only transfer from Italy to Spain and back( the Zidanes, Figos, Ronaldos, Rivaldos,Davids,) etc
The only exceptions now are the Chelsea buyz and maybe Veron

What r ur suggestions on what we need in the team?

In defense we need a classy defender thatz dominant in the air to patner Nesta, somebody like Cris ( he is really my choice) will be Perfect. We also need a new right back to slowly replace Cafu ( Miguel if he continues his good performances will be good), and probably a new left back (suggestions?).
There was talk of Diego Lugano 4 the past 2 or so seasons but nothing came out of that. Now Gallas too but il be most happy to see Cris. We need to shore up that defense
I would have loved to see Buffon in the team. We bleeped up by not selling Abbiti to Juve

In Midfield. Most of the problem we had last season was that teams had wisened up to Pirlo and had him marked out in almost all the games and once Pirlo is marked out, Milan will suffer. Ancelotti has proposed a new plan of playing a pure defensive midfielder behind him to give him more room 4 manouver but i wonder how that will work given the fact that Milan still insist on two strikers. I dont know who will be dropped to accomodate a defensive midfielder and how they will position them.
I think Gourcuff is a good buy though. I see him eventually displacing Seedorf on the left hand side.

In Attack. We need a replacement 4 Sheva and fast. Zlatan would have been good but its unfortunate Inter got him. We need a good marks man real fast. Borriello is not ready yet i think and Amoroso is just whack now)Suazo might be ok ( ive seen him play a couple of times and he is good) and maybe Torres. Who do u guyz think?

Formation-- I think our formation is ok The diamond and the team built around Pirlo with him at the base directing operations is fine and i feel we should stick with it.

Transfers. I think we made a couple of ok buys and and some useless ones too. Gourcuff and Bonera are fine but i dont see any reason 4 Favalli and Amoroso(though in Jan).
Who do u guyz think we need.

Fellow Rossoneri, lets discuss technicality here.

U can easily weed out imposters 4 eg when somebody says something like ' whose Pirlo, he is a small boy, even Seedorf pulls more of the strings at AC Milan' it shows that the person does not have any idea of the club he is talking about

@Hustler where have u guyz been? ive been wondering if i were the only Milan fan in the house

Dont mind Codec and Chxta. 2 hateful Bianconneri . Ive battled it out with them 4 a very long time (even though i respect their football analysis)

Milan is the second greatest club in the history of football, a complete dynasty behind only Madrid. The Bianconneri are always hating on that .

To all Rossonneri, we r great.

@Old Glory

My Man Still trying to fish out the pretenders abi . U have a major point, Take it cool on the guy huh.

@ Oloks.

well i wont use harsh words but what i will want to know is y u will stay in a place u dont like 4 16 yrs. it just dont make no sense. U could have set a target of 2 yrs since u went there to scale down ur commitments and then bolt down to naija since itz ur dream place, but 16 yrs and counting and still no plans to go back .

SEE I THINK THE REASON MOST NIGERIANS ARE COMPLAINING IS THAT THEY NOW HAVE TOO MUCH TO EAT (EVEN A 15 YR OLD EATS OVER A HUNDRED POUNDS OF CHICKEN A YEAR) AND DONT WORRY ABOUT ELECTRICITY, BAD ROADS, HIGHWAY ROBBERS(IF THEY ARE DRIVING THEIR 2007 SERIES), HOT AND COLD WATER FLOWING INTO THEIR BATH TUBS AND EVERY SINGLE PART OF THEIR HOUSE, 24/7 NONSTOP, 24 HRS AC AT HOME SCHOOL, OR CAR, A 22YR OLD HAVING A CAR OF HIS OWN WITHOUT HAVING TO ASK A CENT FROM HIS PARENTS, THEIVES ROBBING THE CITY CENTER 4 6 HRS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY UNCHALLENGED, RITUAL KILLINGS, THE SPIRITUALISTIC THREAT OF ENVIOUS NEIGHBOURS AND RELATIVES, NOT HAVING TO SPEND HRS IN LINE 4 PETROL, AN EFFICIENT SYSTEM ETC, THEN PEOPLE NOW HAVE TIME TO NOTICE THAT THEY ARE LONLEY


PROBABLY IF THE GIRLS THAT ARE COMPLAINING WERE TO BE IN THE POSITION OF THEIR NIGERIAN COUNTERPARTS AND SLEPT WITH FIVE DIFFRENT MEN IN OTHER TO BUY FOOD AND PAY THEIR SCHOOL HOUSE RENT RATHER THAN DRIVING THEIR OWN CARS AND OWN APARTMENTS, THEN I GUESS THEY WOULD NOT HAVE TIME TO NOTICE THAT THEY ARE LONLEY.

What are we even saying? Even our own Hot Angel picks cars of her choice even at age 16! The average naija girl does not own a car at that age.


Guyz, pls if u dont like were u are pls back ur baggages and head to Naija and stop beign 'lonley' coz there are millions of Nigerians who would gladly swap places with u. The average Nigerian prays 4 survival from day to day and those of us in the west are here complaining of Lonliness. Lonliness my ass.

I am loving it every mile of the drive.

There is nothing as good as driving in ur sweet car whenever u want at 2am on the highway without the fear of armed robbers, spoilt lorrys that have been in the middle of the road 4 weeks and sudden gullys in the middle of the road.

@Jackal

Nesta and Cannavaro are the best defensive pairing in the world for many years running now. I dont know what u are talking by mentioning Rio and Terry. Those two are good defenders but come on?

I gave u a wing 4 wing analysis and u could only argue one, and even that one people disagree with u. Non of those English players will get into the Italian National side. People like Lampard, Joe Cole, Carrick, Walcot, Crouch, Carragher, Jenas, Downing,Owen, Bridge and a few other hopelessly hyped mediocares WILL NOT make the first 23.

The rest including the Terrys and Ferdinands, Beckhams and the rest WILL SIT out on the bench.

The only ones that may have a chance of beign in the First eleven is Gerrard and maybe Ashley Cole and its only a Maybe.

Which of them either can get into the Brazilian and Argentine national teams?

Besides talking about world defenders there are a lot of them in ahead of Rio and Terry in the pecking order

Nesta, Cannavaro, Lucio, Ayala, Thuram and Puyol are all examples of a world class defenders (though i might be tempted to add Rio) Il even pick Cris ahead of those English duo

@ Jackal

I have said i wont argue anything with u again but 4 the benefit of the forum

1Nesta and Cannavarro have been the best central defensive pairing in the World for many years now and will start ahead of any other central defenders in this world ( Ferdinand and Terry included).

Infact we dont need to argue this. WHICH ENGLISH 'WORLD CLASS' PLAYER WILL STROLL INTO THE ITALIAN, ARGENTINE OR BRAZILIAN NATIONAL SIDES?

I analyzed it wing for wing Letz see u do that. Stop telling me shit like precision freekicks and Beckham this and that.
( In the case of freekicks 4 eg Pirlo Totti and DelPiero are all experts)

Hey @ Kituan

English players World Class? I used to laugh when just b/4 the world cup, they were calling themselves the most complete team after Brazil and all that. Who are they kidding?

The only English player that i think is standard is Gerrard and a few others are very good. Most of the rest are mediocare and WILL NOT MAKE ANY FIRST TEAM IN ANY COUNTRY.

iL USE TWO OF THE COUNTRIES TO SHOW U Brazil and Italy ( wing 4 wing)
GK Buffon b/4 Robinson

RB Zambrotta b/4 Neville Same

CB Nesta b/4 Ferdinand Same

CB Cannavaro b/4 Terry Same

LB Cole vs Grosso ( u guyz decide) Same

RCM Gattuso b/4 Beckham RWM Camaronaise vs Beckham

CM Pirlo b/4 Gerrard Pirlo b/4 Carrick + Hargreaves

LM Joe cole vs Perotta ( il leave u guyz to determine) Same

CAM Totti b/4 Lampard Gattuso b/4 Gerrard

ST Gilardino v Rooney ( " ' "" ) Totti b/4 Lampard

ST Toni b/4 Owen Toni b/4 Rooney

With a change of Formation Camaronsi comes in and itz one striker 4 Italy and Either Crrick or Hargreaves 4 England.and thatz 4 the second column

I think the only guy that would make the ITALIAN Squad from England is probably Ashley Cole and Maybe Gerrard if their is a change of formation, he might be selected ahead of Perrota

Brazil

Dida b/4 Robinson

Cafu b/4 Neville

Lucio v Ferdinand

Juan v Terry

Ashley cole v Carlos

Kaka b/4 Beckham

Gerrard v Emerson

Ze Roberto b/4 Joe Cole

Ronaldinho b/4 Lampard

Ronaldo b/4 Ronney

Adriano b/4 Owen


THE ONLY English player that can make it is probably GERRARD and Maybe Ashley Cole

THE AVERAGE ENGLISH PLAYERIS 70 PERCENT HYPE

soulpatrol:

some people say sex after marriage, some say sex before. what if you wait till after marriage, and discover that your partner can't do the do? what then do you do? any opinions?

Then u do what u gotta do, which is to do the do do

Best strike patner ships in the world included

1 Shev and Inzaghi ( Shev and Rebrov)

2 Nando and Raul

3 Romario and Histro

4 Ronaldo and Vieri (albeit hampared by injuries and lack of trophies)

5 Romario and Bebeto

6 Vialli and Ravellini

7 Totti and Batistuta (not a strict patnership though)

8 Bregkamp and Kluivert

9 Ronaldo and Rivaldo

Yorke and Cole are among the best though But

The best 4 me was Van Basten and Gullit

davidylan:

The problem with The cost of premiership footballers;

1. The desperate attempt by the English fans and media to have a "world class" player in the mould of Zidane for france, Ballack for Germany, Pirlo for Italy e.t.c.
2. The media over hype of other wise average Engish players.
3. The Premiership is watched by more fans than any other league in the world and is the richest at present.

Is Carrick worth his price? Absolutely No! No foreign club will even think of wasting 2 cents on him. After Germany 2006, there was no serious foreign bid for any english player not even the Overhyped duo of Rooney and Joe Cole. How can Andy Johnson who has never been to the world cup cost 8.5 mill pounds?
How can Carrick be anywhere worth 12mill when the combined duo of Cannavaro and Emerson cost Real 13 million?

what would Man U pay for a player like Micheal Ballack, Ronaldinho or Messi?

U hit the nail on the head.

The English press feel that b/cos they invented football, their players must be the best.

They desprately want to produce a Pele, Maradonna, or Zidane or something like an all time Legend.

Hyping mediocare mediocrities has always been their way which goes a long way to explain y they have never progressed past the group stages of the Euro championship except for 2 times (one of which they hosted) and a tournament in which Brazil and Argentina does not participate in!

Micheal Carrick ke? They should have gone to other leagues like the the French and German leagues and gotten a good ball winner and distributor for less than 3 million pounds, and they guy would perform better than Carrick. Or they could have gone to the lesser teams in Spain and Italy and gotten an excellent ball distributor, like say De la Pena 4 about 3-4 million pounds, or even Pablo Aimar who cost less than 12 mil

Even Riquelme will cost about 7-8 mil. Why pay that 4 Carrick?

Now i know u dont really know anything about pirlo

Tell me what u know about him apart from the world cup?. Have u seen him play in the league b/4?


Pirlo compared to Fabregas, Mikel? i dont need to prolong this topic coz its useless

Pirlo has been the best deeplying playmaker in the world 4 3 yrs now and one of the best freekick takers in the world.

In terms of passing accuracy and precision, Pirlo is better than both Ronnie and Riquelme. He is unmarched in precision by any player in the world

i was amazed at peoples ignorance after the world cup when somebody said big names like Lampard did not shine while Underdog names like Pirlo shone. I almost had a fit.

U dont knw anything about AC milan coz Ac Milanis built mainly on slick passing from Pirlo to counter attacks.

I dont know any Midfielder that marches Pirlo in the Premeirship over the past few years.

He is a 100% playmaker despite the fact tht he plays right in front of the defense ( premeiring a new role for defensive midfielders)

He started a new form of freekicks.

But bottom line is go find out about a player b/4 u say shit about him

anybody that has any idea about other leagues wont make any of the statements u made

I wont argue anyother thing with Jackal.

@ Debosky, i like ur largely objective view. Football is a lot more than Arsenal vs Man U

There can never be peace in the middle east in this present world coz people believe that they are right about what they are doing coz of their religion

My guy if i might ask u,whatz wrong with beer?

yeah i am telling him.

His precision in passing is unmatched anywhere in Europe

let me give the premiership fans some facts

B/w 1989 and 2006 lets see how many teams from which countries played in the champions league finals.

Italian Teams-------- 12 times

Spanish teams------------8 times

English league----------- 3 times


Who is kidding who? Abegi

kitaun:

Riquelme is best only after Andrea Pirlo

A very correct assertion

Jackal:

Pirlo compared to Riquelme?
Its like comparing Rabiu Afolabi to Michael Ballack.

Riquelme in ma opinion was the best midfield player at the last world cup.
He had an outstanding 4 assists.
His free-kicks, corner kicks and killer passes all lead to Argentina's goals at the world cup.

@ Jackal Pirlo is better than any player in Arsenal. That is y he can come to the world cup and walked away with the highest number of MAN OF THE MATCH awards, EVEN IN THE FINALS WHERE ZIDANE, VIERA, THURAM AND HENRY PLAYED.

Without a touch of sentiment Pirlo is the best deeplying playmaker in the world, and that is by many miles. He has premiered a new role 4 defensive midfielders for generations to come. He is the most precise player in Europe. Dont compare him with anything u have in the premiership. He premiered a new style of freekicks and is one of the best dead ball specialists in Europe.

Once again, u have shown that u dont know much about players apart from the Premeirship.

@Codec

it does not make much sense to argue with people who know little apart from the premiership. They think football is all about a ManU vs Arsenal argument.

Imagine somebody coming here to post that the EPL is the best league in the world by far. Who are they kidding? themselves?

guy, who told u Cole and Yorke are the best patnership Europe has ever seen?

U guyz should free Jay-O-Jay. He is stating it the way he sees what is happening in the real world, not a childish and hypocritical fantasy.

@borngreat ur signature is really funny

I wonder y guys say stuff like if i want a virgin i cant get one. U are a man and u can simply say u will never ever get married to a lady who is not a virgin pure and simple and u will wait and get ur wish.

I grew up in a religiously restrictive enviroment and all the girls who grew up besides me were virgins (its not a case of he said, she said, they were always taken to virginity tests regularly) and most of them did not have sex till they were like 27 and married. I saw guyz who slept with so many women and then came to marry these ladies. Many of these guyz thought virgins were fascinating ( a common view held by men who do not have much encounters with virgins) and the other ladies were not marriage materials coz they had already had sex. I saw girls at 27 who had no interest whatsoever in sex and those who played around but tried to keep the hymen in place. There was this particular guy who was still sleeping with his girlfriends a few days b/4 the wedding but he was keeping his virgin for the wedding night. He has a kid from a woman and in all his life had not come in contact with a virgin and so vowed to marry one coz he felt they had to be angels ( though funny enough after a year of marriage, there is now talk of seperation in full force). There was another guy who married an extremely beautiful lady who was my close friend less than six months after he met her coz he felt it must be angelic 4 her to still be a virgin and that beautiful at 23. He was so obsessed by the virgin stuff he never took note of what every other guy who knew her closely knew, her love 4 money could send anybody she marries to a very early grave. All the guyz i saw coming to marry them were men who were sleeping with many of their girls who they were decieving while keeping the virgin for the wedding night and they would always say that at least in ur life time nobody would say, ive slept with ur wife (i guess to them it also means cheating is an impossibility).

Most guyz that did not spend most, if not all of their lives around virgins might think most of them are fascinating, but funny enough i dont. I dont know if it is because those i grew up with were sexually repressed and i dont fancy that at all in my future wife, or because they have alwayz been around me and i dont see them as beign angelic and all that. All my guyz that grew up around them are not fascinated by the thought and we often at times wonder y some guyz groan about virgins . P. Ive seen men assume that all men no matter what they say want virgins as wives.
But life has always been different strokes for different folks

@Kajad is all about the girls huh , i did not see u say anything about urself not having sex or guyz in general. Itz only the girls that should be told

Typical African mans mentality.

Yeah Afeni, i dont have any restrictions on the Nationality of those who i chose to fall 4. Ive always been open mnded about stuff like this. Could be rolling with a Carribean girl (or any girl from anyother nationality 4 that matter) All these talk of easy lays is funny. I have never seen a rich man who does not get all the women he wants from any said country even the moslem ones. The only ones that beg 4 sex are poor men and these are really the ones looking 4 easy lays. Rich men normally go 4 class acts regardless of nationality. If he picks any nationality he can sleep with as much class women as he likes, while the poor ones keep going about begging 4 sex and looking 4 easy lays.

Nationality does not influence my decisionson matters of the heart but others might see it differently though.

@Loyika, u just did not disprove anything. U did not even make sense at all.

1El Classico the same as ManU vs Rangers? arghhhhhhhhhhhh

2 In Italy, Teams fix matches cos they know u need that to win the league, or u think they will fix the matches and risk relegation for fun or if they already know that they will win the league the way Chelsea already know they will win a third straight title.

3 Itz like u dont know much about other leagues apart from the premiership pls watch other leagues b/4 u start typing all that. Ive followed the 3 top leagues in Europe 4 many years now and i can tell u i have seen a lot of diffrence in their technicality.

No World Player of the Year has ever emerged from England
but thanks to Chelsea, the other teams and the league generally are getting competitive and I expect a world player of the year out of Englan soon (at least one)

i wonder y radical moslems will say that part of their anger at the west is that they are 'immoral' and thatz a reason y they carry out suicide bombimgs, so they can go and fork 72 women. ( Please can somebody please tell which of the two sides is really immoral"?