superlightning:


worst state by what indices? bia, in as much as I detest KALU AND THEODORE for worsening our infrastructural deficit, I don't see where abia ranks at the bottom as a state.

its easier to develop a virgin territory like abakaliki than an industrial region like aba. this is because no matter what development you bring you must stick to the plan. moreso, the momentum of reurbanisation will be slower due to the structures already on ground. by the way, there is also an umuahia city to cater for.

educationally and economically, abia remains a force to reckon with in Nigeria.

Guy while most other Nigerian cities and Eastern cities have improved from what they were 30 years ago, Aba is the only one that is worse than it was 30 years ago. Enugu is a bigger and better city than before, so are places like Awka, Owerri and Onitsha. Even nearby Uyo that is about 1 hour from Aba is a much better city now. None of these places were comparable to Aba just 20 years ago. they were small towns in comparison.

The regression in Abia is killing Igboland completely since this state and esp Aba is the hub of manufacturing in Nigeria. The current state of the city is an absolute shame. Nothing to show whatsoever for 20 years under OUK, TA and the current guy.

OreMI22:


Abia State moved from the BEST state in the SE to indisputably the WORST state in the SE.

Sadly, Aba is a principal city in the SE that must rise for the economy of the zone to take off. I am so sad each time i remember Orji Uzor Kalu and Theordore Orji. These are two names that will live in infamy for their roles in dragging Abia state from a prime state in Nigeria to a totally failed state.

I hope the present Governor Okezie Ikpeazu will focus on reviving Aba into a vibrant city again through fixing it's infrastructure. Once the city is made habitable again, private investors will flow in and do what is required in that video. The only role of the government is to clean up the city and fix the roads. I like that they are using concrete roads for some perennially flooded roads to make sure they are solid even when the area is flooded.

You are 100% correct about the principal city thing. The southeast zone will permanently be held back as long as Aba is the way it is. Its the foremost city in the southeast with all the tools to become a consequential city in Africa.

Unfortunately OUK & TA Orji squandered the potential of this city and has dug a massive massive hole which is hard to come out from. The current governor is the exact same.
None of them have the ability to see Aba for what it should be and to take in in that direction. Aba needs an experienced and visionary technocrat.

20 wasted years so far. Hopefully that ends next year otherwise the South East will keep sinking and the South east will keep getting mocked and insulted by all and sundry

horsepower101:
ENYIMBA ECONOMIC CITY MASTER-PLAN




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6azcysXjvM&t=17s

If only southeastern leaders understood the goldmines that they are sitting on especially a City like Aba.

The leaders of Abia State have been monumental failures. Videos like this, even 10% of it will remain a complete pipe dream unless the current caliber of leadership changes immediately.

This garbage needs to end now and change immediately

More on Aba very recently

https://www.nairaland.com/4739948/pollution-covered-second-most-important#71353691

www.dailypost.ng/2018/07/31/aba-abia-cities-terrible-condition-ex-envoy-emuchay/amp/

https://www.vanguardngr.com/2018/07/traders-lament-deplorable-state-ngwa-road-aba/amp/

The supposed leading light and city of Eastern Nigeria is currently like this

More on Aba very recently

https://www.nairaland.com/4739948/pollution-covered-second-most-important#71353691

www.dailypost.ng/2018/07/31/aba-abia-cities-terrible-condition-ex-envoy-emuchay/amp/

https://www.vanguardngr.com/2018/07/traders-lament-deplorable-state-ngwa-road-aba/amp/

Can you please delete these embarrassing and mediocre pictures from this thread and delete this thread.
What’s so shocking is that you are posting pics like this as “good works”.

GTFO with this nonsense

The reality in Aba is below

https://www.nairaland.com/4739948/pollution-covered-second-most-important#71353691

Can a moderator put this on the front page please

TheBookWorm: Africans really need to stop the tribalism.

Since black people are viewed already as the wretched of the Earth.

It is time for solidarity.

This is garbage. Japanese and Chinese don't do solidarity neither do Brits and Russians.

What Nigeria needs is industrialization at all costs and an end to the mediocre mindset that the general populace has

naijaking1:

^^^
Afrocentric thrash written by Homer before Christ
I have told you to go get some education.

You need to get some education on the roots of words like Libya and Africa and how ancient people depicted them as well as learn about the history of North Africa before spewing lies on here

naijaking1:

The more you erroneuosly keep speaking about these "white berbers" the more illitrate you appear. And most unfortunately, the more the teacher in me wants to educate you.
First of all, do you know the meaning of the word Libya as first used by Homer, and in his Odysseus?
It meant [size=18pt]land of black people[/size].
Think about it, and while you're at it find out when the Illiad was written, and the value to World history.

You are talking arrant nonsense and complete falsehood

Look up the roots of the word and the ancient depiction of Lybians from thousands of years ago and stop telling lies

White Berbers are African indigines and you dont have to accept that but american afrocentric trash is not going to change realiity

ROSSIKE:

sage said:

Dude please get your nasty Arab imported self and disappear from our midst. If black Africans wish to take pride in the achievements of black Africans, it is THEIR prerogative and absolutely nothing to do with YOU.

The ancient sources ALL wrote that the original Berbers were black skinned. End of story. Take your manipulated ''scientific markers'' and stick 'em up your imported backside.

Lol at this joke of a guy . Which "Arab" is that?

Keep deluding yourself and engaging in endless stupidity

Your American based nonsensical delusions are not going to alter reality

White Berbers have been a permanent fixture of the African continent

but if telling yourself foolish lies from Americans makes you feel better, so be it


Just take your nonsense and shove it up your backside and stop polluting this place with outright lies

MzD@rkSkin:

lmao @ Sage aka Algerian. Pathetic.

'whites are as African as blacks!' Muahahahaha! The hilarity!
Anyway. . .back to topic @ Kilode?! I happen to have a bit of respect for
Gaddafi. to tell you the truth. I see him as an "Arab/African" Che Guevara (yes I said it!)

You are not even an African at all so you are not in a position to comment on what you dont know about. White Berbers where the first people called Africans and if you dont know what you are talking about just shut the Zap up[i][/i][color=#550000][/color]



these White Berbers are much more African than a non African like you and if you dont know the history of a place, keep quiet please


and for the last time I am not Algerian

tpiah!:

Black people seem to be the ones fooling themselves with this dna genetic marker crap. I dont see other races carrying carrying it on their heads like nigerians. An algerian even came on here to tell you he is white and you`ve still asking if he`s european white or berber white. Smh at the situation.

You dont see an Algerian or a Morroccan claiming that because people in Norway are white and because he is white also, the accomplishment of Norweigians are his own?

You dont see people in Japan claim Chinese history as their own and you dont see Japanese people claiming Chinese history because they look similar


its mainly Afrocentric morons that go around doing insanely silly stuff like that

tpiah!:

Black people seem to be the ones fooling themselves with this dna genetic marker crap. I dont see other races carrying carrying it on their heads like nigerians. An algerian even came on here to tell you he is white and you`ve still asking if he`s european white or berber white. Smh at the situation.

What has that got to do with what we are talking about?

He is a Berber white so are we supposed to jump into an ocean, clap our hands or perform gymnastics lol

Acknowledging that he is a Berber does not mean anybody is fooling himself. I dont care if he calls himself "white" or not. He can call himself blue for all I care

Fooling yourself can de defined as adopting crazy American "Afrocentric" ideas from people who dont know what they are talking about

By the way, Ghadaffi is using Mercenaries from Egypt, Algeria, Chad and even Asian countries to fight against his own people

Kilode?!:

Ok, I asked for the time-period clarification because you mentioned it.

Now, I personally don't care what Berbers, Touregs or any group call themselves. I don't own Africa and I don't own culture. But my dignity, respect and personal liberty is mine to protect. So if someone, group of people, race, or whatever sees my skin color as inferior and acts towards me based on that feeling of superiority, then I'll have an issue regardless what science, politics or geography calls them. I don't even care if we share the same mother. It's all the same to me.

That was the basis of my worry from my first post on this thread.

I was worried that using Dark skinned mercenaries(from the pics and comments on the report) might lead to race/color based attacks or discrimination as it often occurs in the Arab world where dark skinned people are historically and culturally seen and treated as inferior.

I don't care if Berbers are from Fernando po or my mothers village. Do they see dark skinned folks as inferior? If they do? Then I'm on their case everywhere and watching out for them. That's all

I understand what you are saying but it looks like two different convesations are going on at the same time. The attitudes of Berbers towards others is the topic you are asking about which a Berber is probably in the best position to answer but my replies were directed towards another discussion which is the history of Berbers which some afrocentric americans are trying to revise

Algerian:

I mean this one is my last:

@ Kilode:

Yes, I'm Berber, Kabyl more precisely which is the biggest "sub-tribe" of Berbers in Algeria.
About Islam, as you can imagine, I totally disagree with what you said : A religion is much more of a serious matter than a mere choice or a trend. That's another debate but for the records keep in mind that North Africa has almost never been under the rule of central Islamic state and the Islamic local states were almost always berber or "Black" (The almighty Almoravide state that ruled on West, North Africa and Andalusia started in Senegal by locals. It's the preacher/founder of this particular state who made part of Nigerians muslims).

By white I mean that I have a reddish/blond beard and green brown eyes.

The traditional Berber culture is a tribal culture where the guy of the next tribe is a total stranger even if he looked like you and spoke your language, so black people were no exception even if the "adoption" mechanisms were a lot easier than nowadays. Now if it's about racism in the modern sense, I think (I'm not sure) that it is more present now than before, unfortunately (black people were associated in the popular mind of many to the brutal French Legionaire).

My mother speaks berber, arabic and french (the last two since she went to school) but some special type of arabic and french lol

Voilà!

In ancient times in all of Africa you could find something similar. If you are from a different tribe/ethnic group then you are a stranger regardless of what the person looked like. White, Black or otherwise

For those of you who care about real science and not some "Afrocentric" delusion, take the time to read the genetic study below

The "white" Berbers are very related to Saharan people and people from East Africa

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2947357/?tool=pubmed


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2947357/figure/F5/

Kilode?!:

I think you and Rossike are saying the same thing if y'all can just calm down and resist the urge to insult.

If a Berber and a white european mate together, won't their offspring have genetic markers from both groups? Just asking for clarification purposes.

How recent is the Barbary slave trade, say compared to transatlantic slave trade?

The Barbary slave trade took place a few hundred years ago during the same time as the Trans-Atlantic slave thread up until the 1800's. It is a very recent event and does not have much to do with what we are talking about.

The "white" berbers are African and this is proven by science. They are not a product of mixture with European slaves from 200 years ago and they are indiginous to North Africa and Their attitude towards "black" Africans is of no relevance to science

naijaking1:

For somebody who didn't care about skin color, you sound very emotional about these lies you're typing.
Every major history textbook, every Grecco-Roman classic, and even every textbook of medical history supports what ROSSIKE and tpiah have been posting, and I just can't get your point.
Do you even understand history

I honestly dont care about skin colour guy. It annoys me when I see people spouting lies


There have been different ethnicities of Berbers in North Africa, some "white" like the Kabyles and Riffs, some "black" like Tuaregs

Do some North Africans consider themselves better than blacks Absolutely! But that does not change hard facts.

People from Greece and Rome would naturally be more fascinated by their encounters in N/A with people who look unusual to them ie the blacker people thatn the whiter Berbers


We live in a modern era and Berbers are an indiginous African people. Feel free to look into it if you disagrr but no amount of american "afrocentric" nonsense is going to change that

tpiah!:



you and rossike arent necessarily wrong.


the situation doesnt have to be a polar one.


however, denying european input in northern africa is self defeating.

There has been "sub-saharan" and european inputs

However, the majority of Berber genetic markers are indiginous to North Africa and is not Europeans at all

By the way, the Barbary slave trade was a very recent event actually

You guys should take time to look into the issue of Berbers

those "white" people are as "African" as you. They have lived in north Africa since the begining of ages and you can research their genetic make up in relation to other Africans and in relation to Europeans. They are "white" skinned but not Europeans


stop making blind arguments

ROSSIKE:

Aristotle (384-322 B.C.E.) Greek philosopher, scientist, and tutor to Alexander the Great.
Aristotle is said to have written 150 philosophical treatises.

Here he shows that blacks were the original founders and inhabitants of Egypt.

"Too black a hue marks the coward as witness Egyptians and Ethiopians and so does also too white a complexion as you may see from women, the complexion of courage is between the two."
(Physiognomics, Vol. VI, 812a)

Aristotle makes reference to the hair form of Egyptians and Ethiopians: "Why are the Ethiopians and Egyptians bandy-legged? Is it because the bodies of living creatures become distorted by heat, like logs of wood when they become dry? The condition of their hair supports this theory; for it is curlier than that of other nations, and curliness is as it were crookedness of the hair."
(Physiognomics, Book XIV, p. 317)

You need to actually research the genetic make up of Berbers in relation to other Africans before you spout baseless american "afrocentric" diatribes

ROSSIKE:

sage said:


You're talking rubbish. The original Berbers were blacks. The ''white look'' came from interbreeding with caucasoid ''visitors''.


Excerpts:


The Appearance of the Original Berbers According to European Perceptions

5th century AD - “The Moors have bodies black as night, while the skin of the Gauls is white, " written by Isidore of Seville from The Etymologies of Isidore of Seville - by Steven A. Barney published 2007. p. 386

10th to 11th century AD Iraqi Physician Ibn Butlan wrote, “The Berber women are from the island of Barbara, which is between the west and the south. Their color is mostly black though some pale ones can be found among them. If you can find one whose mother is of Kutama, whose father is of Sanhaja, and whose origin is Masmuda, then you will find her naturally inclined to obedience and loyalty in all matters… “ cited in Gender and sexuality in the Middle Ages by Martha A. Brożyna p. 303 2005.

14th century - Sir John Mandeville had written : Though men of Nubia be Christian, they be as the Moors from the great heat of the sun, written by English Knight, Sir John Mandeville, (died 1372). See chapter 7 of the Travels of Sir John Mandeville (Penguin Classics).


Introduction

All the early major Berber tribes including the Masmuda, Sanhaja, Ketama Zenata and Nafusa are described as dark reddish brown like the “Indi’ or as “blacks” or Ethiopians in early documents. T[b]he notion of the early Berbers as being “whites” or Caucasoid is a new and racist one related to the concept of the African “Hamite”. Certainly the original Berber-speakers were never referred to as anything but “black”[/b] or something near it until the 12th century and were otherwise considered the color of Abyssinians and other so called “Indi”.

Even the Kabyles a notoriously fair-skinned “Berber” people of North Africa are up until the 19th century described as “brown” "apart from a few clans". (See quotes below). The knowledge that Europeans were changing the complexion literally and figuratively of North Africa up until the 19th century has disappeared from modern European histories. Most know about the large part played by sub-saharan black slaves in the making of modern North Africa and Arabia while the white slave trade which was in fact dominant trade in North Africa until the fall of Constantinople (Istanbul in Turkey) in the 15th century had been largely ignored in historical writings of the 20th. Yet it was only a few centuries ago that Europeans visiting North Africa commenting on the fact that, “on almost every street of the cities of Barbary, Europeans could be seen harnessed to carts like draught horses or selling water from jars loaded on the backs of donkeys”.

1809 Commentary on those called “Moors” by an early 19th century observer: “They carry the Christian captives about the desert to the different markets to sell them for they soon discover that their habits of life render them unserviceable , or very inferior to the black slaves of Timbuktoo. “ from An Account of the Empire of Marocco, by J. G. Jackson published 1809 and 1814.

2003 - “From 1500 to 1650 when trans-Atlantic slaving was still in its infancy more Europeans were taken to Barbary than black African slaves to the Americas. See, Robert Davis Christian Slaves, Muslim Masters: White Slavery in the Mediterranean, the Barbary Coast, and Italy, 1500-1800, MacMillan Publishers, published 2003.

The impact of the white slave trade and its contribution to the modern biology and appearance of the modern North African stems from before the Arabian and Muslim waves into Africa. The Roman ruler Claudian spoke concerning Gildo, the “Moorish” ruler of Africa and treatment of Roman women from the Levant by this North African chief and his countrymen:

4th century - Claudian wrote, “ when tired of each noblest matron Gildo hands her over to the Moors. These Sidonian mothers, married in Carthage city must needs mate with barbarians. He thrusts upon me an Ethiopian as a son-in law, a Berber as a husband. The hideous hybrid affrights its cradle.” Claudian, by Claudius Claudianus, translation by Maurice Platnauer, published by G.P. Putnam's sons, 1922 p. 113. (Gildo was brother to other Berber chiefs Firmus and Maseczel. Gildo is related to Aguellid or Galdi which remains the modern Tuarek word for chief. Masek, Amazigh ot Imoshagh was the name for the ancient and modern Tuareg clans in general. The Mezikes tribes were called “Ethiopians” in Roman texts of the time. )

1st c. A.D. - “Diodorus Siculus speaks in reference to the expedition of Agathocles a Sardinian general, of three Libyan tribes on the coast of Tunisia, the Micatani and Zufoni (see Zafan ),who were nomads and the Asfodelodi, who by the color of their skin resembled the Ethiopians” , p. 50 The Mediterranean Race Book XX, 38, 57 Guiseppe Sergi, 1901. The Micatani were also called Ukutameni and Khethim by Josephus. In later writings they are called Ketama Berbers. The name Maketa or Imakitan remains a name for the eastern branches of the Tuareg.

1st century A.D.– Marcus Valerian Martial was one of the earliest Europeans to use the phrase “woolly hair like a Moor” in one of his Satires, and the phrase was commonly used up until the Middle Ages. See Nature Knows No Color Line by J.A. Rogers, 1952. p. 50 The Muslim era didn’t begin until the birth of Muhammed, the Prophet, over four centuries after Martial. By the 7th century the word came to be used for Arabians who in the early era of Islam for the most part also of “black” complexion.

1st century Silius Italicus also describes the Moors with the term ‘Nigra’ meaning black. In the 3rd century Roman dramatist Platus or Plautus maintained the name Maure was a synonym for “Niger” which another common term for the blacks in Europe. 6th century Isidore Archbishop of Seville claimed the word Maure meant black according to Brunson and Runoko Rashidi in “The Moors in Antiquity” in Golden Age of the Moor, 1991.

6th A.D.- Corippus uses the phrase “facies nigroque colorus” meaning faces or appearance of black color to describe the North African Berbers. In his book Johannis, I/ 245.

6th A.D. - Procopius in his History of the Wars book IV contrasting the Germanic Vandals who had settled in North Africa with the Maures claimed the Vandals were not “black skinned like the Maurusioi” . The tribes he classified as Maurusioi are those called the Numidians, Masaesyle, Gaitules, Massyles and Mezikes several other “Berber” tribes then settled between Tunisia and Morocco.

9th century - According to old Norse Saga Danish (Viking) raiders attacked Spain from Ireland the saga says: “From the latter place they ‘carried off a great host of them as captives to Erin and these are the blue men of Ireland (fir goma of Erin) for Mauri is the same as black man, and Mauritania is the same as blackness…Long indeed were these blue men in Erin.’” Jack D. Forbes, Black Africans and Native Americans (New York : Basil Blackwell, 1988),p. 68. Another transalation says “because the Moors are the same as Negroes; Mauretanis is the same as Negro-land.”

After the 8th century the term Moor came to be used for the many Arabian clans who had invaded the Mediterranean and Africa because of their complexions which were the same dark brown or near black to absolutely black color of the Berbers. Most of the Moors in Spain were in fact the people also first known as “the Arabians”.

http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=15;t=001694

What a joke

You are a complete joke dude. stop talking rubbish. What white visitors are you talking about. Stop posting afrocentric rubbish from Americans who dont know anything about Africa


What a complete joke

Kilode?!:

@Algerian, what do you think about Bouteflika and his 3rd term in office?

You said Arabic is not your mother tongue, What about your culture before Islam and Arabnization? And which one do you prefer?

Arabic is not the mother tounge of Ethnic groups in North Africa like Kabyles, Riffs etc


many people on the African continent dont even know the full history of the continent.

Berbers are the indigenous peoples of North Africa west of the Nile Valley. They are discontinuously distributed from the Atlantic to the Siwa oasis, in Egypt, and from the Mediterranean to the Niger River.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berber_people


people should stop talking garbage when they dont have any idea of what they are talking about

ROSSIKE:

Algerian said:

You must be drunk or ignorant to write that garbage. North Africa has most certainly NOT been ''always white'' any more than Australia has, and for the same reasons. Now run along and learn where you really came from.

North Africa has always been "white"
stop talking garbage and do some research before making a buffon out of yourself

Algerian:

Hi all,

this is my first post here and I must admit that I registered just because I read some "astonishing" things said in this topic, so please bare with me  

To make things short (and sorry, I didn't follow all the discussion), I'm Algerian (you've probably guessed that), I'm Arab (which is NOT an ethnicity!) even if arabic, as MILLIONS of north africans, is NOT my mother tongue and my ethnicity is from Africa even if I'm whiter than many Westerners. Yeah, that's right, saying African ethnicity=black people is as true as saying Asian ethnicity=slanting eyes people.

So why North Africans call black people "Africans"? Well this has to do with History and politic correctness. The popular name there is just "Black people" but it seems that some think that is offensive (while "white people" isn't!!!) so they don't use it in media. For the History part, the name "Africa" was originally meant by Greek/Romans to call JUST North Africa where people have always been white as all mediteraneans, then it was used by Arabs (the real ones this time) to call "Tunisia" of nowadays and finally by Europeans during colonisation for the whole continent minus the northern countries which were called affectionately the "Barbarian States".

Btw, slaves in North Africa (at least the Turkish/Ottoman part) were White Europeans, was it the same in "Black Africa"?  

Welcome to nairaland

many people here dont know anything about North Africa. they think the word Africa = Black and people in North Africa are invaders


many people here dont know that North Africans are a majority Berber people who are indigenous Africans like the "black" people of the South

They wrongly assume that North Africans are invaders because of the skin colour which they are not

The word Africa never even referenced "black" people, but originally refered to North Africa

naijaking1:

ROSSIKE's analysis is right on the money. I don't know how of history you guys studied, but just look at it from Southern Sudan' s supporters of APC to our own Othman dan Fodio's massacre of black African's in the name of first religion, then in the name of "brotherly love"

Someone said ROSSIKE lives in the past, the person is obviously a fool, because it's only a fool that will proceed to the future without learning from the past

Otthoman Dan Fodio was a Fulani just like west African Fulani's so i dont get the reference to him at all. people kill people for different reasons. Germans slaughter Britons, Japanese slaughter Chinese etc there is brutality all over the world

All the "black" this and that he keeps yapping about is rubbish of the highest order


Anybody who adopts that mindset is worse than a fool! I so much hate people like that

and if anybody thinks he is a slave, good for him. You probably are


please dont drag anybody else into your bottomless pit of idiocy. Nobody else apart from morons who yap about "slave" rubbish talk nonsense like that. Slave yada yada yada. Arrant nonsense that very foolish people parrot

i seriously hate people who come on here and go on and on with this "black" nonsense. Any African who buys that kind of mentality deserves to be shot on the spot witout hesitation

Those who have that type of mentality are Zap.e.d up for life and I hate them with every bit of me.

I mean who the Zap goes around thinking "black African" rubbbish that morons on here parrrot. Seriously!!!!!

Now watch the fools come back and start yapping about "slave" this and "slave" that

kodewrita:

Finally ROSSIKE gets called to order. Told u , u are stuck in the 70s. Dont worry, you are forgiven but please catch up with your reading, the world has moved on since then. We dont think in terms of BLACK AFRICANS anylonger. you are an isolated racist at the moment.

However I commend your stand on this topic (aside the BLACK AFRICAN ish which you still have to get rid of).

+10000000000

The starter of this thread makes himself look like a buffon with his "black African" nonsense IMO

of course he thinks he is educated and so is stuck on such idiocy. His past threads have reflected the same mentality imo. He blabs about "Arab" this and "that" and thinks he is making sense.

His type of mentality is what every right thinking African "white", "yellow" "brown" or "black" should completely avoid. Archaic mentality at its worst!!
of course he is going to ome back yapping about some "black African" nonsense so there is no point in even engaging him


A moderator needs to chane the topic of this thread to Chadians imported into Lybia or something like that.

The guys mentality is seriously bleeped up with this "black" nonsense he is into

The original poster was not even born or raised in Nigeria, so WTF is he talking about