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Religion / Re: Polygamy - Insatiable Desire For Multiple Wives by solbil: 11:26pm On Mar 18, 2017 |
enshy: and not to forget, doing things are easier when you have a large home. Chores, etc. Someone is always available to take care of the kids. No wonder those of us from proper polygamous homes are more accomodating than you guys. Although this is not just the benefit of polygamy, but of a large home including monogamy. And polygamy doesn not have to be unnecesarily large. How many women want to have more than 3kids today. You have 2 wives and they have 3kids each. That means it is a house hold of 9people. The man is working, the women own their businesses. They should be able to maintain that home. |
Religion / Re: Polygamy - Insatiable Desire For Multiple Wives by solbil: 11:22pm On Mar 18, 2017 |
enshy: "vague justification" about what? Care to explain further? And yes, you guessed right, i am an atheist, with a little better than average understanding of christianity and christian teaching. I believe this should not be a problem for you to just get hooked on and say "oh, since you are not a christian, you definitely cannot understand things of the kingdom". That would rather be a cheap way out. And yes, the atheist is right when he tells you there is nothing the christian enjoys or suffers that everyone else does not suffer or enjoy. It says: "my sun shines on the just and the unjust alike"--- Gospel of mathew. Polygamy may have its unique challenges same was as monogamy, singlehood/celebacy/gaymarriage all have their own challenges. Which is why i said they are all equally valid! The other lady disagreed with me and probably believe i was talking nonsense. But when you see the unique challenges of monogamy, you don't use it to denounce monogamy. So why do that with polygamy? What all the hate and all the effort to demonise a thing you don't see yourself ever taking part in? And as for "what value has it added...", the same value monogamy has added too. Emotional and psycological support, financial support etc. I know at this point, some people will come out and say "what are you saying?". But isn't it right in your very eyes Peter Paquare had an issue with his brothers over money? Have you forgotten that? The issue was so painful that it threatened to pull the family apart and his twin had to sing a song in tears reporting them to their late parents? Are they not monogamy? Despite all the things i have said here, you will still stubbornly hold on to that idea of yours God hates polygamy. Wake up, brother! |
Religion / Re: Polygamy - Insatiable Desire For Multiple Wives by solbil: 10:38pm On Mar 18, 2017 |
MZLady39: it is not the exception. I remember telling you that many polygamous homes i know are like mine. Also, you should take a survey before you know what is majority and what is not. You can also come to the other thread i invited enshy to so that we could have a better debate upon it. All the issues you hear exists in polygamy, exists in monogamy too in equal or even far greater measure. |
Religion / Re: Polygamy - Insatiable Desire For Multiple Wives by solbil: 10:32pm On Mar 18, 2017 |
https://www.nairaland.com/3689844/polygamy-not-sin-christianity#54723317 @enshy you can come here and lets talk. |
Religion / Re: Polygamy Is Not A Sin In Christianity by solbil: 10:26pm On Mar 18, 2017 |
KingGBsky: and like the guy above me said, you guys like coming out with that last part just to kill of the discussion when you've run out of points. Lets agree that the holy spirit is needed to understand everything he or anyone wrote here. Now please tell us what exactly is the heresy in all he has stated using the bible as a proof? What did he get theologically or by revelation, wrong in all he or anyone here wrote above? If you can point it out, then i will give it to you; but if you can't, then i will ask that you may have to review how you use that last part about the need for the holyspirit to understand the scriptures when other people's point is begining to prove harder for you. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Religion / Re: Polygamy - Insatiable Desire For Multiple Wives by solbil: 10:19pm On Mar 18, 2017 |
enshy: see you forming feminmist. The last time i checked, Polygamy does not make a man more promiscuous than monogamy does. If a man is promiscuous, then he is, peroid! There are men who go into monogamy just for the sex too, what do you call that? At least, Paul alluded to it that "...for the sake of the flesh, get marry one". And by this, he didn't mean a unity, one. For the number of wives one could marry was not the issue, but the issue was about dedication to the work of God. Some were argueing that it is better not to be married since getting married can hinder the work of God. So he wrote a letter to them telling them, he would have loved it if all were like him and could hold themselves, but instead of burning with passion, just get married. Also, was sex the reason Abraham, Jacob, Lamech, David, Solomon etc took another wife? You people love holding on stubbornly to preconcentions and preconvictions and you will twist which ever scripture available to you just to get your way. 1 Like |
Religion / Re: Polygamy Is Not A Sin In Christianity by solbil: 10:02pm On Mar 18, 2017 |
Here is a part of the bible where it was recorded that a man, Lamech, had two wives and no kind of ill feeling, jealousy etc was recorded among them, instead, only good things were said about their children; that they became the ancestors of those who raised livestock and lived in tents, and also played music. Such was the height of their achievement. Lamech had two wives, Adah and Zillah. Adah gave birth to Jabal, who was the ancestor of those who raise livestock and live in tents. His brother was Jubal, the ancestor of all musicians who play the harp and the flute. Zillah gave birth to Tubal Cain, who made all kinds of tools out of bronze and iron. The sister of Tubal Cain was Naamah. This is Gensis 4: 19-22 |
Religion / Re: Polygamy Is Not A Sin In Christianity by solbil: 9:58pm On Mar 18, 2017 |
adepeter26: i wonder how on earth he is going to rewrite the bible and include it in one of the things Jesus said can let you go into heaven or not when he said: "when i was hungry, what did you do? When i was thristy what did you do? When i was sick and in prison, what did you do?...if you did something,...ehen, come into the home of my father". |
Religion / Re: Polygamy Is Not A Sin In Christianity by solbil: 9:38pm On Mar 18, 2017 |
adepeter26:the guy was terrible in his other thread. I just no get him time then na wetin make wey i just leave am. I just hope he can come down here and read all these elaborate write up from an enlighetend mind. |
Religion / Re: Polygamy Is Not A Sin In Christianity by solbil: 9:36pm On Mar 18, 2017 |
Those who feel a man has to make what they call resitution by sending his second wife and her children away should just please sit down and listen to that Bulshiiit again and tell me if they would be very proud of themselves making such a shameful statement. These people do not even have the idea that they are talking about a person's mother when they openly and shamelessly refer to her as the "strange" woman. To make restitution, one has to return that which is not his. So please tell me: if you think a man took another man's wife by marrying a single woman, then i would ask you to tell me the name of that mythical man from whom the other man took a his wife. For Paul to make the statement "a bishop should be husband of one woman", it means that it was not uncommon that the christians at the time were polygamous. If a so called restitution is suppose to be made now that they are believers, why didn't Paul mention it anywhere in the Bible? Why didn't Jesus, or any of the other apostles? You all keep making man made laws and by that, you bring pain to other people by distroying their homes, and the sad thing is: they all feel ok doing that. |
Religion / Re: Polygamy Is Not A Sin In Christianity by solbil: 9:22pm On Mar 18, 2017 |
The scripture in which Paul told Timothy that a Bishop should be husband of one wife does not, in anyway, condemn Polygamy. The issue Paul was addressing at the time was the issue of duty. Remember he said to the corinthians that he would like them to be like him, a celibate who is dedicated to the work of God and can travel as he likes. For Paul, getting married would have made it more difficult for him to carry out the work God like he would have wanted to (DUTY), the same thing Catholic priests do today. And now that he is talking about an office, the office of a Bishop, that would need so much time and dedication, he instructed that the person that should fill up that position, should be the husband of one wife, so that there would be more time and less pressure to do the Duty of a Bishop, caring for the flock. He was never condemning polygamy like many polygamy haters in the church would love to believe. |
Religion / Re: Polygamy Is Not A Sin In Christianity by solbil: 9:12pm On Mar 18, 2017 |
flyover30: staying without a woman at all, would also save you even more trouble, i guess. 1 Like 1 Share |
Religion / Re: Polygamy Is Not A Sin In Christianity by solbil: 9:10pm On Mar 18, 2017 |
Good write up! To add a few things: Cain Killed Abel in what is a gruesome premeditated murder of the first degree. Guess what? There were brothers born of parents in monogamy! That's hate and jealousy at play, even higher than that which you find in some polygamies. Essau wanted to kill Jacob, his twin brother! They were born of parent in exclusive monogamy. If not because he, Jacob, ran away, there would have been another tragedy. The bottom line, and like the op said, hate, jealousy, etc, is not a polygamy problem, but a problem many people have to look for ways to deal with. Before you tell me it is more common among polygamy, i will have to tell you that you should remember you've not taken a survey to know this, hence, you should just stop and don't say what you do not know. |
Romance / Re: "Lady Dumps Her Fiancé For Raising Up His Hand In Attempt To Hit Her" by solbil: 8:34am On Mar 17, 2017 |
ojuu4u: una too dey fall person hand. Why are you all obsessed with women competing with you? If a lady is not respecting you based on fair rules, dump her! |
Romance / Re: "Lady Dumps Her Fiancé For Raising Up His Hand In Attempt To Hit Her" by solbil: 8:11am On Mar 17, 2017 |
It is good she walked away. No one man or woman should ever take any kind of abuse in a relationship. It takes away ones self esteem before it kills you finally. And also men, don't take any kind of insults from your wife or any kind of disrespect from her, when she does that, dump her sorry arrss as soon as posible! 1 Like |
Foreign Affairs / Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by solbil: 7:09pm On Mar 01, 2017 |
Odunayaw: should Nigeria be worried, especially when they have a decent airforce? |
Foreign Affairs / Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by solbil: 6:23pm On Mar 01, 2017 |
guys, what do you all think about Morrocco joining ECOWAS? What are the motives? What prospects does it hold in terms of security, economy, etc? Would it be a game changer in the order of things? |
Religion / Re: Polygamy - Insatiable Desire For Multiple Wives by solbil: 7:15pm On Feb 27, 2017 |
MZLady39: your puzzlement is a genuine one. But i guarantee you that it exists. I know that no matter how hard i explain to you, you still wouldn't change your stance knowing fully well that christians and Africans our generation have lost all idea of polygamy. But i can assure you that i am from polygamous home and we do not have those issues you are concerned about. The many other polygamous homes i know are like mine too. If you don't want it, then don't do it! Its that's simple! I can defend you in court if any man wants to ride you and bring another woman you don't consent to. Lastly, and i am going to drop my pen here: polygamy is as valid as monogamy, and monogamy is as valid as singlehood/celibacy. Which everone you choose is pleasant in the sight of the christian God. Bye! |
Religion / Re: Polygamy - Insatiable Desire For Multiple Wives by solbil: 7:09pm On Feb 27, 2017 |
enshy: so its no longer "insatiable desire for sex", but now "insatiable desire for multiple wives". Good you learnt something from the education i provided in the other thread. That means my effort wasn't a waste. I am not a professional debater. I have been warned several times by those who know me not to engage in fruitless arguement. But i encourage you to seek your own truth; "seek and you shall find; knock and the door will be opened". Enjoy your sincere quest for knowledge and wisdom. I drop my pen here. |
Religion / Re: Having Two Wives But Now A Born Again by solbil: 2:33pm On Feb 27, 2017 |
@enshy adam had a monogamous family, and his children killed eachother. Isaac had only one wife, yet, one would have killed the other if not because the other ran away! So we have seen cases of monogamies fail before too, but no, you arr not going to condemn monogamy even though some like i have mentioned, ended badly. My home have succeeded, and no amout of hate from bigots can change anything! |
Religion / Re: Having Two Wives But Now A Born Again by solbil: 2:29pm On Feb 27, 2017 |
@enshy ok, i take that back when i said he had sex with a 13 year old girl. I just confirmed in 1kings 1:1. But the other things i have said, stand. You are free to correct where you can prove is wrong. |
Religion / Re: Having Two Wives But Now A Born Again by solbil: 2:14pm On Feb 27, 2017 |
enshy: all lies and deliberate manipulation of scripture to fulfil your own end. Care to show me where God COMMANDED the kings not to marry many wives? I am really looking forward to it. And when Jacob's second wife died, did he also put aside his concubines too, the ones with whom we had some of his children? My dear, stop telling lies about the bible as if we can't go into the bible and confirm that you are lying! God did not reject Saul because he too many wives, but because he disobeyed God due to his greed, and he thought he could also bribe God and so God told him through Samuel that "Obedience is better than sacrifice". You don't talk like it is only you that have access to the bible. David did not pay for marrying many wives, for polygamy NOT A SIN AGAINST GOD, stop the lies already! Yes, his wife was raped in public, not because he married many, but because God pronounced judgement on him when he TOOK ANOTHER MAN'S WIFE, AND NOT JUST THAT, HE HAD THE MAN PUT TO DEATH, A HUMBLE AND LOYAL MAN. stop the lies already! And yes, even in his old age, David still had sex with another concubine confirming that he is what you would call today a pedophile. Yes, you heard me right. When he was old and weak, his people told him: "why don't we bring a young girl (13 years old) so she could keep you warm?" i am going to give the quotation here later. As for Solomon, he also didn't get punished because he many many wives. He got punished because he took wives from other nation who would eventually drag him to other gods, a thing detested by God. If he had stuck to the women of israel, he probably wouldn't have been punished. The bible never said so much about the pesonal lives of the apostles, so there is no way for you to know that. Polygamy was not an issue all through the bible. And when Paul talked to Timothy, polygamy was not the issue, for duty was! And paul was concerned about dedication that's why he did not encourage the men with large homes to take to church office. Now you tell me: do you think that the kind of person Paul was, especially someone passionate about the Gospel, would see an i don't care attitude from monogamous families to ards the things of God, and if there is a polygamous family showing high level of dedication, he is not going to give them even the office of a bishop? And no, Polygamy is not an insatiable quest for sex, sex and sex alone, for Abraham did not take another lady because he had an insatiable desire for sex. Jacob did not take another wife because he had an insatiable desire for sex. And even after marrying two wives, he still did not take the concubines offered him by his wives because he wanted sex. So stop with all the lies trying to paint Polygamy in a bad light. You should know you are hurting real people, and you are puting your man-made laws above love itself. Jesus spoke to the jews when they came up to him and questioned him why he must heal someone on a sabbath. (the law was: don't work on a sabbath). To show to you that these people valued law more than the essence of the law itself, sabbath, Jesus asked them that which one of them would his child fall into the well on a sabbath, and he won't go into it to bring out the child? My dear, stop placing your man made laws, which have no significance in the realm of the spirit, above the core of the christianity, faith, hope and LOVE! |
Religion / Re: Having Two Wives But Now A Born Again by solbil: 9:16pm On Feb 26, 2017 |
enshy: i read your post very well and i understood it completely. And i did not say you said the products are a sin. I said: "you will not agree that the house of Isreal and Jesus are a product of sin", since you believe polygamy is a sin. I am never going to convince you, but i am also not going to give you monopoly of the airwaves so you don't do damage to people's self esteem. Mention where polygamy is recorded in the bible as a sin, go on ahead! |
Religion / Re: Having Two Wives But Now A Born Again by solbil: 9:10pm On Feb 26, 2017 |
And how is polygamy sexual immorality? Are you saying the ancestory of Jesus was immoral? And the very foundation of the house through which God was going to call the world to himself, Isreal, is immoral? iHarrie: |
Religion / Re: Having Two Wives But Now A Born Again by solbil: 9:07pm On Feb 26, 2017 |
iHarrie: will you also tell a man who turns to the lord in repentance to rewind time and go replace all the meats he stole from his mum's pot? Which one is easier? Tell him to send away his wife who now has children for him, and the sending away could distabilize a probably exemplary family, or tell a man to rewind time to replace all the meat he stole from his mum's pot? If you are not going to tell the man to return the meats he stole, why tell the man who has more than one wife to send one of his wives away? Why should doctrine be more important than human lives/happiness ad unity? Col 2:13-14 "he forgave us our sins and did away with them all its binding rules...". This means you can't win your salvation for yourself, and the cross should a be a free gift. |
Religion / Re: Having Two Wives But Now A Born Again by solbil: 8:59pm On Feb 26, 2017 |
Charly68: yet, the likes of @enshy believe polygamy is a sin but he will definitely refuse to say the the twelve tribes of Israel and Jesus himself, who did not come from all first wives, are a product of sin. |
Religion / Re: Having Two Wives But Now A Born Again by solbil: 8:15pm On Feb 26, 2017 |
Roseey0: in the first place, he never adviced one man one wife. The only part he appeared to have said so was when he said: "for the sake of the flesh, marry one". So you can see here that he wasn't even talking about polygamy here, rather he was responding to an issue raised in the corinthians church about celibacy (singleness). And he also wasn't reducing it to just one, but he is advicing to get married. I'm sure you understand it now? |
Religion / Re: Having Two Wives But Now A Born Again by solbil: 8:11pm On Feb 26, 2017 |
enshy: paul also 'insulted' a people. "...who has bewitched you" stephen said to the elders who confronted him: "you stiff naked people, uncircumcised humans..." so what's your point. But i withdraw the insult and tender an apology anyway. i am sure any right thinking person can understand my emotion. |
Religion / Re: Having Two Wives But Now A Born Again by solbil: 8:05pm On Feb 26, 2017 |
Btruth: there is someone in the front page who posted a verse in the gospel where jesus rebuked the jews for going far and wide to win converts only to yoke them with complex teaching of men. When a man repents, he is not to divorce his wives. If he tries to do it, then he is trying to win hois own salvation and rejecting the grace of God that has won him salvation for free. Are you going to tell the one who wrote waec to return his certificate because he cheated to get it? Well, if you will tell him that, can you also tell him to go back in time and replace all the meat he stole from his mother's pot? You guys are begining to diviate from the gospel you recieved and are begining take man made teachings as superior to God's. Col 2: 13-14. "...he forgave you your sins and did away with it along side its binding rules". The "binding rules" refer to the punishment and so called restitution you are to make. You guys goofed with tearing an innocent family apart. You should take responsibility!!!! |
Religion / Re: Having Two Wives But Now A Born Again by solbil: 7:49pm On Feb 26, 2017 |
Sjoy: are you going to return your waec certificate too, when you get born again and call it restitution because you cheated to get it? If you you do that, i want you to know that the cross is of no importance to you for you are trying to win your salvation all by yourself, and not trusting the grace of God that have won it for you as a gift. Why don't you tell him to rewind time so that all meat he stole from his mother's pot can be returned. 1 Like |
Religion / Re: Having Two Wives But Now A Born Again by solbil: 7:30pm On Feb 26, 2017 |
enshy: you are an idiott, and no apology for that! If God made ONLY Adam and Eve at the begining, who then are those people Cain and God spoke about when God was pronouncing punish ment on him for killing his brother and he was complain of the severity of the punishment? He said: "anyone who sees me will kill me..." and God said: "anyone who does that, will recieve several times your punishment". So who were the "anyone" the both of them spoke of? Later in that chapter, they said "and cain knew his wife". Are you going to tell me he married his own sister? Why don't you stop your bulshit and stop spreading hate and dividing people, people who are better christians than you! You say God detests it. Why don't you just open the bible and tell where it was spelt out that way? If God detests it, why then did Jesus not come through all the first wives? If God detests it like you claim, why then don't you have the confidence to classify it as a sin and can take someone to hell? And what spiritual revelation does polygamy violate? Your God has not classified polygamy a sin, stop playing assistant God and helping him to make laws when you are just a mere mortal! And before i forget, yes, the bible said "...cleave to his wife" and not "wives". But that's because when a man gets married to more than one, they are not getting into a trinity or a 'fournity'. Each wife is his wife, whole and entire. He is their husbands each, whole and entire. So yes, that passage applies to polygamy too. |
Religion / Re: Having Two Wives But Now A Born Again by solbil: 7:19pm On Feb 26, 2017 |
Sjoy: my dear, will just shut up already! You don't even know you are talking about human lives here and real human experience! You say the church is doing the right thing? Who taught you to put doctrine ahead of family values and unity? Who taught you that the church and its warped belief is better than the hapiness of a people? Is your likes not the people Jesus talked about when he said " these people value their traditions more ..."? |
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