the woman is God's symbolic wife which is his heavenly organization and the son is God's kingdom with Jesus Christ as its king right now in heaven.

the woman being taken away to the wilderness is similar to what happened wen God brought the isrealites out of egypt to safety in the desert of sinai. the remaining seed of this woman here on earth as represented by those who have heavenly hope but are still on earth faithfully serving God, are brought into a glorious spiritual estate of learning where their measure of spiritual food supplies was provided at the right time to strengthen them for the work that lay ahead.

oga. plz rest. ur points are all clear and u knw wat I DO NOT CARE cos uve bin thoroughly deceived nd bewitched. you need prayers to save u from urself.

interested. let's tok herr

Chai. Please FORGIVE oh lord for they are confused.

u didnt state where the job is to be done.

well i guess now u have quoted scriptures, u have invited some persons formally. let me ask u ds plz. u can only gv apple to ur child ' if u have it' ryt?

luke4:5-7 when satan tempted Jesus Christ with the things of d world what did he say? All these things i will gv to u if u do an act of worship to me? why was Jesus given d world?

1john 5:19 states dt ' whole world' is lying in d power of d wicked one. i wonder wen dt power was taken off.
Revelation 16:14,16 said people from all over the earth gathered to wage war with God. that surely doesnt sound to me as what Jesus Christ would do.
but then my dear, common sense should tell us all here that, the goings on of human suffering, and all d other bad things around are all signs dt Jesus has not taken up rulership YET eventhough he has been given d power to do so. this is for a reason, that you and I should change from our bad ways and come to an accurate knowledge of the truth as found in God's word.

DeCleff:


Its even clearer that u don't know the scriptures or lack understanding of the scriptures. U quoted John 14:30 but failed to realize that Our Lord Jesus Christ made that statement before His death. Satan was actually the ruler of the world but everything changed when Christ disarmed him through His sacrificial death for mankind Colossians 2:15 and when He was raised from the dead, He declared in Mathew 28:18 that He has be given all power in heaven and on eaeth. And in Philippians 2:9-11 the Bible says at the mention of His Name every knee should bow, of things in heaven, on earth and under the earth and every tongue including satan should proclaim the Lordship/Kingship of Our Lord Jesus Christ.

So, u can now see that satan is no more in charge because Christ took everything from him including the keys of hell and death.

As for ur claim that O. O. Obu is misleading people, its laughable because u haven't even listened or read His sermons. If other Bishops, Pastors and Apostles are preaching the true gospel of Righteousness, True Holiness, Purity, Love, Faith and Patience like O. O. Obu, the world would have been a better place. But these set of so called men of God are the ones leading people astray with vain teachings of prosperity because all they wanted was money. They allow all manners of ungodliness in their midst. Women wear tight pants, short/mini skirts, paint their faces, fix artificial hairs and nail with uncovered head in the house of God and u saw nothing wrong with these things.

They claimed that Christ abolished the law without telling their members the truth on what law was abolished. The only abolished laws are that of remission of sin where man was required to sacrifice animals in order for his/her sins to be forgiven and the law of circumcision. The rest of the laws are still intacr. Infact, was tithe not part of the law? If the laws were ablished; why are they still collecting tithe?

In order to avoid arguement Leader O. O. Obu has in several occasion said He is not God but sent by God. All His teachings are centered on Christ's love for mankind.

guys, dnt sweat it. its of no use. ull end up being ' something' else.

Gombs:


Go get a bible son!

Satan stole rulership of the world from Adam, thank God for Jesus Sha... Whosoever believes in Him is no longer of this world. OOO is misleading a lot folks, but I'd pray for them. Meanwhile, can you explain what Jesus meant here?

John 14:30 New Living Translation
"I don't have much more time to talk to you, because the ruler of this world approaches. He has no power over me,

i can't believe I'm hear listening to ds BLASPHEMY.
JEEEZ

DeCleff:


As long as planet is concern anyone who came is expected to grow in age and size. Adam lived 930 years b4 he passed on. Our Lord Jesus Christ was born as a child, He grew up to the age of 30 b4 He started His ministry which ended 3 and half years later.

Now Leader O. O. Obu has done His own part and handed over to His Son even though He still manifest Himself both physical n spiritual. His Son has taken over rulership and will rule forever

plz whenever anyone is tokin abt d bible, make sure of what ure saying before even raising a topic. how do those scriptures match wat ure saying@op? plz b careful

his death is more important to me because it is by means of his shed blood I am able to be reconciled to God after having been alienated from him because of inherited sin from Adam and Eve. That is why my prayers can be heard because that blood serves as a cleaner.

His resurrection is also important because when he eventually starts rulling this world after cleaning it of all those ruining it, then I'll have a perfect ruler under the best conditions, with no need of voting in any human ruler . they are both wonderful to me. but his death, more important.

Well , I seem to be hearing things from people . The first is that even after giving birth to Jesus Christ, Mary IS STILL a VIRGIN and that's why she's being referred to VIRGIN MARY. the second comes up after this please so we'll deal satisfactorily with it.
What do you think guys(everyone and anyone)?.

Constructive Criticism and Arguments please , with the aim of digging out truth.

no way, apprenticeship ASAP

my goodness!!! is this what women have been reduced too? JEEZZZ . what makes u feel ure a God dt women cannot do without?? my dear , from dating, a woman with self respect and dignity should spell it out in clear terms dt CHEATING in whateva form will not b tolerated. if it happens, girl, no cheating man is WORTH ur tears nd sweat. he can bring in 15 more if he likes but plzzzzzz TAKE YOUR LEAVE.

what class ??

vooks on point dear. its as simple as that and that's all I've been saying. its good to know people agree with what the scriptures CLEARLY states. come to think of it @ sportsmaster, you want to tell me about bible chronology because you feel you have books? don't venture dear, there are people who read with open hearts and dig to find out the gold in the bible and thereafter accept the truth wholeheartedly. try it dear, it will help

Lest I forget, CURSED be the day i decide to remove and replace meanings of the inspired utterances.

ENJOY the circles because that's what this is. Dancing in Circles, saying the same things and changing them all over.
NO USE REALLY.

the truth, staring us right there in the face and we keep turning its interpretation to suit us? no need really. some things in the bible are just so crystal but no, we ignore and continue headlong. that to me is not humility to the inspired word of God and not constructive.
I sincerely believe this issue has been thoroughly thrashed, if not before, then now, once and for all.

my dear bro. acts 2:6-11 clear states that the reason for gathering was the loud sound of pouring of the Holy Spirit. their surprise was when they heard Galileans speaking in native tongues/languages like parthians, medes, elamites, the list goes on and on. verse 11 beautifully states that they heard them speaking about the magnificent things of God IN THEIR OWN LANGUAGE. peter then used the opportunity to tell dem to dia face what they had done to Jesus and how the speakers were not drunk but d event was a fulfillment of God's promise thru prophet Joel. so yes, they heard about the magnificent things of God IN THEIR LANGUAGE.

I also do not fight with anyone who claims to speak in tongues but cannot interprete, but there has to be an interpretation of what is being said, not a pre arranged interpreter.

its just so crystal clear in the scriptures. there should be no speaking in tongues if NO ONE ELSE understands what you are saying because the words from the mouth of the person doing that are just empty and meaningless and the man doing that KNOWS it.

The scriptures say when they were filled with the spirit, they spoke in tongues . Languages understood by everyone there and that resulted in a very serious decision- they were moved to be baptised. if they didnt understand, how could they have made such a weighty decision? Besides, the disciples didnt need anyone to TEACH THEM how to speak in tongues or how to interprete. That should make each and every christian think - What moves the speaking in tongues in people today? do they REALLY know the meaning of what they are saying or are just short of words? why does speaking in tongues need to be learnt?

sure no offense. it is the bible we are talking about and the truths in it. one on one wouldve been fine, but not possible obviously. so i guess here is perfect so others can contribute. that is why you started it here in the first place ryt? no of dense dear.
the time is just far spent, we can talk more later if you wish.

sportsmaster:

I would have preferred if this was a 1 on 1 conversation..I cannot totally express all that i want to by typing..
If there is still anything unclear..just kindly ask..
Let me know the things You disagree with so that we can look at it together..its is platform for learning..Sorry i sounded rude the other time@SOYE3

did you say teaching? who taught the disciples to speak in tongues? if your answer is no one, why do people need to LEARN to speak in tongues?

what you typed, is that all you have in your bible as 1Cor14:15? why not finish the verse. and beautifully too, verse 16 says how will the ordinary person understand you and even say amen when they don't understand.

14:5 you now agree with me that speaking in tongues should be to the benefit of the congregation right? so how will the congregation benefit when they do not understand what you are saying? That means, if you speak in tongues to the hearing of the congregation, you have to interprete for an understanding to take place.

27,28 says someone must interprete and 28 ends it all by saying if there is no interpreter, he must KEEP SILENT and speak to himself and to GOD. what do u understand by this?

:23 says if all the congregation speak in tongues and an unbeliever walks in , will that make sense to him? off course not. this means that he needs to understand what the blabbing is about by an interpretation.

12:7?? seriously? that everyone can manifest what? did you read to find out the truth or to back up your argument? cam you just read :8-10 and then 28,29? you'll understand better. have you ever wondered why some are good and maths and others are better in english?

well i do not think we are quarelling. i am stating facts, after having paid attention to YOUR details. 1Cor14:5 you must interprete what you are saying to the congregation if you really understand yourself or else :15 says do it in your mind. is this in your bible. if you insist on shouting out the abstract, then interprete.

1Cor14:27,28 says there should be an interpreter or else u should keep silent and speak to urself and to God. so if you think you have the spirit of speaking in tongues which is clearly languages and d congregation camnot be upbuilt by it because you do not have an interpreter and cannot forge out an interpretation, then speak to urself and let God be the ULTIMATE JUDGE.


what is the REAL PURPOSE of speaking in tongues/ languages. do not forget that the bible says if everyone in the congregation speaks in tongues that its useless, except it is to upbuild those who are not believers. how many unbelievers understand ur language wen u speak it?

Acts 2:6-11. did u also read op that each one in that room HEARD what the disciples said and even mentioned the tongues they were speaking in specifically? Now, to show that everyone there understood what they were saying, they made 2 things clearer when they recognised them as being GALILEANS but were speaking what everyone UNDERSTOOD in his/ her own language because they stated what they heard as being ' the magnificent things of God. This simply means that the tongues being reffered to here is simply LANGUAGES and not things only ONE person CLAIMS to understand.

1cor 14:5-13. If you can read further down you will notice that this same place you quoted clearly states that whoever speaks in 'a tongue' should interprete. verse 9 says you are speaking to the air if no one understands what you are saying. verse 10says there are many kinds of speech or tongues in the world and yet NO ONE is without meaning. how many of those who speak in tongues today interprete or give meaning to what they are saying. they rather make their followers believe that they are interacting with God.

in verse 18, he made it clear that he spoke in more tongues than the others. were these qorda abstract words. he said further that its supposed to be for the building up of the members of the congregation who have not become believers. so the words would be clear to them. please, jow many people do you build up when people DO NOT even know what you are doing?

not working wt my tecno s5 phone. d command to check d balance is showing as invalid. I'm so nt happy. wat do i nid to do plZ?