@wiegraf:

by wiegraf: 1:31pm On Oct 22

Sweetnecta: @wiegraf: i am only responding to the bold and not any other, including your website.

is there a limit to freedom of speech before it encroaches upon the privacy and person honor and it become a libelous? will you not be offended if someone make what is called your mama joke around you? how respective is your friend who will falsely malign your beloved mother to your face? will that still be "freedom of speech" to you, when you know that he had lied?

even you are so thick skinned, the rest of the world will not be like you with your thicker than elephant skin. some of us care for what we care for and we love to protect the honor of what makes us "us",


Violence is NEVER the solution, even in the cases where the aim is to slander, talk less of criticism. For speech of any sort, so long as it does not call for violence, it should be allowed. You've been slandered? Fine, take it to court and settle it there, like civilized people do.

The whole point of freedom of speech is 'falsely maligned' is subjective. In the case of faith-based religion, very, very much so. It is doctrine based on faith for crying out loud! Your prophet was blaspheming himself against many. He even went to war ostensible to defend his basic right to practice whatever religion he wanted to, to say what he wanted to about the pagans, jews, xtians etc. You think islamic tenets are not outright slander (not to talk of criticisms) to various other faiths? This is bigger than me, you, or my mother you want to slander. Checking the excesses of doctrine, or anything else for that matter, is one of the main purposes of free speech. You might think it allright to marry off a 9 year so long as she's hit puberty (as you've mentioned a few times), but I don't, and will make that clearly known to you as loudly as I possibly can when I see fit, regardless of what your precious prophet thinks or did. He isn't precious to me, and I think his actions so egregious on so many varied topics I can't believe his morality is even up for discussion. But guess what, I might be wrong, it's now up to you, with your freedom of speech, to challenge me.

That is how it works, it is very simple. You have the right to be offended, moan, bi.tch and challenge me, same as I do. No schizophrenic 13(?) wived 6 year old marrying warlord from the 7th century is exempt, no one or nothing is. It is a basic right, similar to your right to believe in islam or pikiwokki should you choose to see the light.

On another note, the hypocrisy when muslims cry foul is astounding.

http://cifwatch.com/2012/09/23/jewish-reaction-to-thousands-of-antisemitic-arab-cartoons-no-riots-no-injuries-no-deaths/

You genuinely think they are not insulted? Or the claims that moh is sleeping-with mary are not extremely insulting to xtians? Xtianity and judaism are simply more mature than you guys, they realize the world is not created just for them.


I hope you enjoyed the other link as well

i dont need your links. i do hope that you know that your freedom of speech has a limit in the real world, otherwise someone may put his foot somewhere or respond in kind to you by slandering the person you love most. i love my momma most among living people, today. i will hate it if somebody slander her. you see that freedom of speech has limitation in my book?

first, jews are not the only semites. i by virtue of being a muslim is a semite. by my blood to makka because of my ethnic origin, i am a semite. Mary is not a christians and you need to get that into your system. no one says Muhammad [sa] is sleeping with Mary just like i am not sleeping with a houri.

you seem to be talking as if you know any jew. have you gone to a jewish home? no. have you dialogue with a jew about religion? i have done both and i wonder why you thin they call you gentile or goyim if they are so matured? heck. you have a lot to learn until you hit the real world where most jews will think you are literally a brainless man because you are black. are you kidding. you need to get out there and trek to Jerusalem and i will love to read you even the most dishonest report of people of your lord.

christianity and spiritual maturity are never to be used in the same sentence unless you are blaming the christian. you could abuse Jesus and they dont care. but talk about their momma and see the fist flying towards you. i wonder which one is spiritually greater?

@nextpart and truthman2012:

by nextpart(m): 11:26am
Muhammad was the greatest prophet of Allah but........

He ate poison that caused his death. He could not detect the poison until after eating it as a true prophet. What a great prophet.

Allah told him to take the beautiful wife of Zaid, his adopted son. What a holy Allah and his holy prophet.

After he abolished adoption of children following his take-over of Zaid's wife, Muhammad told Abu Hathafa's wife, Sahla to put her bosom in the mouth of (to bosom-feed) brother Salim an adopted son, a grown-up man with beard to be able to retain him in the house. What an exemplary prophet and founder of islam.

Allah told him tha he and other muslims could Be Intimate with their slaves and captives (Sura 23:5-7). What a moral and holy Allah and his holy prophet.

He married Aisha at the age of six and Were Intimate with her at the age of nine. What a responsible and respectable prophet of Allah.

He killed, maimed and destroyed the innocent and held many captives in the name of Allah. What a great warlord for Allah.

Therefore Muhammad was the greatest prophet of Allah as he possessed the attributes of his Lord.

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Re: Muhammad Was The Greates Prophet by nextpart(m): 1:01pm
For God's sake, how can anybody in his/her right natural and spiritual senses call this man a true prophet? An atheist is hollier than him. Even an idol worshiper cannot be as unholy as this man they call prophet of islam.

Are muslims not aware of the acts of this their prophet or they deliberately closed their eyes to them? Or is it satanic hypnotism and blindness? This is a serious, very serious spiritual problem. God have mercy. Most of you muslims are better than this man in term intimate integrity.

How then can any sensible person trust such a sinner's revelation or his Allah. It would have been understandable if he did those things before he became a prophet. Is God corrupt? How can He be dealing with such a corrupt man as His representative?

How can he get to paradise? Which paradise? The holy paradise for the holy people? Never. What is islamic definition of holiness? Killing and intimate immorality? God will not be seen as just if Muhammad goes to paradise and anybody sent to hellfire because nobody can be a worse sinner than him. God is not partial, if Muhammad goes to paradise, everybody will.

What sin was he warning people about? He was committing all the sins he was supposed to warn people about. Whenever he committed any sin he would say Allah authorized it like in Zaid's case. A holy God cannot give an unholy command.

The Allah that spoke to Muhammed was God-impersonated, not the true God and that was why he chose the type of Muhammed as his prophet. No wonder the content of his revelations and the hadith of his faithfuls.

It is stupidity of the highest order to compare such a sinful warlord with Jesus. They are not in the same class at all. You cannot even compare him with any prophet in the Bible talkless of Jesus.

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Re: Muhammad Was The Greates Prophet by truthman2012: 1:12pm
Will anybody defend this?

death does come to every creation. this shows that Muhammad [sa] is part of creation. same you say about Jesus by your statement that he died, too. same condition occurred to each and every prophet [as]. from the Bible the type of death, either natural or circumspect is not the measure of knowing who a true prophet of God is. or you dont believe the litmus tests of what the bibles say about who is a prophet [i am a muslim so i have a different take, but since these men only accept the bibles, i am using their bibles in this argument].

if Allah didn't protect Muhammad [sa] His Messenger from poison that was inactive for 2 years, Yahweh didnt protect His son from immediate hanging in the Bibles.

And as to the adoption of children, if it is abolished on Muhammad [sa], then it is also forbidden on others. it is logical then to know that Muhammad [sa] is not related to Zayd [ra]. Zaynab [ra] was married to Zayd by Muhammad. she was no more a virgin when adoption was abolished. if when she was a virgin, Muhammad [sa] did not force her to marry him, it will be illogical for him now that he is the most desired Arab [sa] to be running after somebody that he didnt run after before. Thats not how male think. you want it fresh and not as much when it is not. The hardest things that must be abolished were abolished on the family of Muhammad [sa] [interest was abolished on his uncle, abbass [ra]].

i remember when Muhammad Ali the boxer told Diana Ross the singer that in some black people's award that he does not want her now that she has been with [sorry diana; many men including white men [the almost exact words of the legendary boxer]]. i think that anyone who believes that the messenger [sa] will marry a woman so that adoption will be the thing of the past but then tells a woman to whip out her jewels so that some guy who didnt feed on it by wet nursing is sic in the head.

many reasons to believe that the hadith is something fabricated. the first and most important is that it is against each of the 6000 plus verses in the Quran. that alone disqualifies it as something to be seriously examined in classical understanding of Islam.

the other reasons hinges upon what we know of the superior morality of the prophet [sa]: he was not a man who goes against the Quran, even in the littlest of matters. Example of what may be consider little: when he was told to be conscious of Allah, the most conscious of Allah didnt say to anyone but I am the most conscious or I am conscious of Allah, always. When he was told that he frowned and turn his head, he rushed to the man and never forgot the man by saying upon this man, my Lord remembered me [even though revelations were coming to him [sa] day and night].

further, when adoption was cancelled, it covers everyone, just like when interest was cancelled [everyone was included]. D

Does anyone knows how plausible for a woman to breas.tfeed a grown man? it will be the most difficult thing to do without heavy sex.ual consequence on both. the location will be the most appropriate. If it is done in the open as to prevent other things happening, who determines when it is enough suc.kling is reached? how about the people who will be watching the whole scene, considering that the arabs used to be heavy in sex.ual orgy, even being initiated by women and Islam stopped them altogether? people of such nature or any people could be tempted by breas.tfeeding to go at it in the public because the shame was thrown out in the first place by the said brea.stfeeding. which of the men watching it will not see a free for alland probably say me too?

i dont wanna think about what will happen if it takes place in the privacy. pre-intimacy is what you have set up between people who know that they are not related and se.x can happen. if such a nu.dity of breast.feeding frenzy occurs in any society, lets keep religion aside, do you think there is a need for any covering of the body, anymore? what purpose is garment then? the evil disbelievers are not going to stop until they see the punish that they have worked very hard to secure for themselves. let me say this to you, if you dont know it already, Islam is what brings real honor and recognition to women and prevents men from outright advantage of them, if they fear God, with how terrible and se.x is today, you will see that the muslims have the fewest bad eggs of the religious communities that say they worship 1 God.

we have discussed the issue of Aisha [ra] over and over with you, so there is no need to do it here since your heart is made up against guidance. well let me just touch up on the slave women for a moment.

being a slave will not strip anyone from being a person, still. when a woman reaches sex.ual maturity, slave or not, she needs what a woman needs; her own man. if she does not have any, like the house helps in 9ja, she will get it from any male in the house. if OGA ask for it, when madam no dey house, it is as good as gotten, the reason many of the wives dont want sisi as house help because they know their husbands will be eating all kind of fruits and both house help and oga will be wiping mouth [these are the realities of nairaland storytellers]. a house help is most honored when she is having what the lady of the house is having.


Yahweh told His Prophets [Moses [as]] and many others to kill disbelievers. How do you think Allah will not tell the muslims not to defend themselves, especially when they have been such an awful attack for so long? even america began defending herself and then some against alqaedah and even saddam husaine. the nature is to prevent somebody taking your life by you working hard to preserve it. thats what the Prophet [sa] and his companions [ra] by The Command of God did. they didnt kill all the animals, and all the people, including the aged and non combatants. remember this for the future because i know you are not through fighting against Islam.


truthman2012, abeg help me console your man nextpart because i dont want his next part is blowing a fuse.

Whats Muhammad [sa] warning about, you ask, nextpart? He warned that you should not associate god with God [see the 10 commandments. its in there]. He warns that you should not say God does not exist [its in there in the 10 commandments against the atheists].

I will not dignify your statement about Muhammad [sa] in relationship with Jesus son of Mary [as]. When you know what holiness means we can talk, because the platform of true holiness is not from you but from God Almighty Who is Able to decide all affairs.

we have app for people like you. its called "ignore him". i will use it sometimes in the future after God as given me strength in wisdom to shame your posts.

@truthman2012:

by truthman2012: 6:43pm On Oct 23
Sweetnecta

I believe your quran permits you to lie in defence of islam. It is clear your quran is plenty of lies mixed with little truth to create confussion.

You said it was allah who commanded gabriel to pray for mohammed for blessing. mohammed was sick about dying of poison and you said he prayed for blessing? it does not make sense replying your further posts lest I become like you. you are an agent of satan like your prophet.

The Bible says satan is a liar and the father of all liars. everybody now knows you are a satanist.

Finally, I put it to you that allah commanded gabriel to pray for mohammed to rescue him from untimely death but was incapable. What a powerless allah you worship.

all good prayers are blessings. when muslims curse satan, it is blessing on the muslim who makes the supplication, but it is a means of further leading satan into his destination.

For example I read surah Massad every mondays as a way to curse abu lahab and his wife. yet it is a supplication from me as means of blessing on me.

Allah commanded. all angels, including ruuh qudus {gabriel [as]] obeyed. the same blessing then, we make it now on Muhammad [sa]. Muhammad [sa] to us is as alive as anyone living. why? if you think it was the poison of 2 years before that he died from, he was a martyr. and all martyr are alive. if you say therefore he was not a martyr but died naturally, like all other prophets died, he being a messenger, a position higher than prophets [as] is still alive just the same, because God forbids the earth to eat the body of martyr, a position not equal to a prophet and prophet are, again, below messenger [as].

Muhammad was destined to die just like everyone who walked this earth. Jesus prayed. I agree with you on that. You said he died, still. what am i suppose to make of that except that you said his own prayers was not accepted. but it is your prayer upon you that is most potent. Muhammad [sa] didnt pray for himself not to die, instead he said "to Best Friend. to Best Friend". The Best Friend is God, the reason we call Muhammad; Habibullah [sa].


My man, i will never be you because i pray i do not have your condition. You will never be me as I pray you will not have my condition. What is easy on you may be difficult for me. And what is easy for me may be difficult on you.

And i have not lied to you, here. So.

@chuqudy:

by OLAADEGBU(m): 1:04pm On Feb 09

chuqudy:

Thanks sooo much Olaadegbu. You have taught some thing. I googled the word al taqiyya and found what it means. I suspected this for long time that muslims voluntarily lie to protect the image of islam. Thanks so much Ola. I would like to learn more of islam tricks. Below was what I got from google about al taqiyya.

anything is everything on google or wikipedia. the devil is the detail of what olaadegbu entered for you. no one of the christians on nairaland agrees with olaadegbu, 100% at the fundamentals of your religious creed.

example of a critique of this your trusted teacher is frosbel going at it against him on trinity.

i know others who are quite comfortable to disagree with him; joeagbaje is one.

unfortunately olaadegbu was born in nigeria and lives in england. he would have been a perfect fit if he was born in the coal country of the us appalachian mountains. his view is like those who worship with the potent poisonous snake, thinking they are showing the greatness of their faith. their condition is almost always fatal when the snake react to their nonsensical.

al takiyya is nothing to muslims as a rule practiced. what are we going to hide from anyone about Islam? the whole "ISLAM" is open. we do not have hierarchy. if muslims are hiding anything about Islam, i am sure "al takiyya" you were able to find on the internet would be hidden. no? i learnt about al takiyya here on nairaland and i have been a muslim all my life and there in never anything i hide about islam because there is no reason to hide what i love others to have and enjoy as much as it is satisfying to me. nothing bad about islam and if there is i would have left it after 9/11 when it became unpopular to be muslim. if islam is getting bigger in the new worlds and the old world and still holding its own in the third world, i dont think we need to be ashamed or hide anything from view.

You are welcome, anytime.

you are still here? thank God. i have news for you: your campaign in religion will fail, in politics, too. Obama will serve his second term and Hillary Rodham Clinton will take over from him. if you think Romney will win because you dislike the religious view of Obama, you watch from your armchair in London. after all you dont vote. so your vote does not count in american politics.

pele. see o wa daa daa? iyawo ati awon omo nko o? Olorun a da won si o. Amina Yaa Allah. and if you are married yet, please omo boy, do so. igba o lo bi orere. aye nlo, aaa ma ntooo o ni.

read between the lines. i may or may not read through, the idea is clear. i think you are showing too much sour grapes.
smart people will get the gist of it.

^^^ look at the bibles. no. look at the new testament. what is the theme with so much words in it?

i have styled my writing after it. perchance, you may learn something other than just idle talk. while i speak the truth, it is not a chat with me. this is my jihad. you need to struggle to understand the truth rather than what you perceive as the truth.

it seems nigeria is just churning out bad grads. what a shame.

@muhammd: ^^^^ tell me whats the defectiveness of Islam with example from the religion that is not defective in your view.

tell me how you wish to verify the prophetic office of Muhammad [sa] and how you have verified those of others. process and exampe please.

no one is breastfe.eding any male unles her baby or a wild cat husband.

even christian women who can be nu.de as she wanna be will not brea.stfeed a male except the two above.
how will muslim woman breas.tfeed anyone when she has to coverup all the time.

Muhammad [sa] did not even allow a man who saw a woman leaving sit in the exact spot where she had just sat because the man may be wondering who she was just by whatever vibe he picks up, like the lingering perfume or the warmth still trapped in the spot. There is no way the noblest of man [sa] will tell a woman to whip out the family jewelry for another man to sample it. no way no how.


a fatwa is an opinion and it may be righteous or outright evil. it is not binding on the conscience or success of anyone. what is correct, absolutely are the Quran and Authentic Hadith/Sunnah that clearly supports and agrees with the verse it wishes to explain. Muhammad [sa] will not tell anyone to go contrary to what is permissible. My brother cant even see the jewels my wife is holding that make me happy. so does her father or mine and you expect a total stranger for it?

Omo alata, abeg, ba wa di si oro ti awon emewa [egbe ati ogba e ni esin] kiriyo tun gbe wa.
i know you are a kiriyo.

@Tpia@:

by tpia@: 12:42pm
If by Ismail you mean Ishmeal, then his mother was Egyptian, where many deities were worshipped

are you saying because of that she and her son were polytheists? Did you conveniently forget that she was married to the father of faith, Abraham? Abraham was from Ur of the Chaldean where polytheism was the order of the day in his time.

Does that make him a polytheist if his spouse is assumed by you as a polytheist because she was from Egypt?

My statement again was when did the first idol introduced to the Kaaba or was it build purposely from the scratch to house idols?


The evidence is what Muhammad [sa] did when he and his followers entered Makka as victors. They destroyed all idols and cleared Makka and its vicinity of any and all idolatry shortly after that. Surah 9 was revealed because of that giving the makka idolaters 4 months of grace. idolaters in the community of Moses did not get a day even because they had to drink up their Idol yahweh in cow shape made of gold. They drank gold!


Muhammad [sa] was a mercy even to the pagan makkans.

^^^ i think we are moving along and no one has claimed somebody punched him, yet. or is fight by you includes heated argument? i dont think this contentious.

@Mckybarf: This may your fate if you die in the faith you are in now: I do not know ye, Jesus will say to even the great miracle workers in his name.

@reyginus:

by Reyginus(m): 1:10pm
@sweetneckta. Does it mean that reciting the koran in any other language beside arabic, is ineffective?

do you know what it means to be obedience? reciting Quran in the language it was revealed, recited by the one who it was revealed to [as], recited by his companions [ra] in that language and the chain has not been broken since, including the styles of recitation is obedience.

there is always reward in obedience and it is the other side of disobedience that could result in punishment, at least rejection of said action.

listen to this recitation. per chance it may affect your heart:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpJj0EUithQ

@reyginus:

by Reyginus: Let me step in here.
If you think that is illogical, dont you think that the recitation of the koran in arabic alone is also illogical?

when you read the Quran in arabic it comes to live in your heart.


Allah The God Who made Adam from nothing but dirt and water to all that body holds, taught him and what man didnt know, taught him the use of the pen and made him a diverse collage of people and made the boat a safety for Noah and those who followed him, Abraham finding peace in the raging inferno and find God without compromising by accepting his family's idols, made journey all over the place and was under the Protection of God, raised Jacob as his elect regardless of all the deception of his mother and the tricks of stealing awes as recorded by the Bibles, made a victor out of non eloquent Moses, victor of little David over towering and seasoned warrior Goliath [the disbeliever], a father less Jesus a man of honor, this Allah made a fatherless Muhammad the orphan [as] a man with abundant Iman in his heart, not compromising with the Quraishi regardless of their efforts, That Allah opens the heart of reciters to understand Quran in Arabic, His Last Revelation.

After all before man had diverse tribes and languages, man had no ability to reason, understand. Man was even non existing then. I understand the Quran in arabic better the more I read it. It is made easier on my tongue, and before I die it will be as easy for me as Yoruba or English [InshaAllah].



@daidylan:

davidylan:

this is too generalized and a sneaky way islam has succeeded in appropriating jewish prophets by claiming they "submitted to God's will".

who was the first Jewish prophet? was there a single prophet before the first jewish prophet? Can you tell me how Moses was a religious jew considering how the jews conduct their prayers that you can observe if you see them at the wailing wall? Did Moses ever pray at the wailing wall or any prophet for that matter? How about your God Jesus: did he pray at the wailing wall while you bibles recorded him making Sujud all night long to his Master Allah azhawajal? I guess you have disqualified christianity by your statement above.

davidylan:
Ifa priests submit to Ifa but are they muslims?

submission to God is not the same as submission to gods which ifa is a god. Allah The Powerful does not bear ifa or Jesus or holy Spirit. Olorun is not ifa and you need to know that much. Muslims in the time of Abraham were known as hanifan; submitting to Allah an do not compromise by disobeying Him [Ibrahim submitted even to the slaughter of his son [as to both of them] and not adding god to God [Ibrahim rejected the god of his family and gods of places he lived after].

@lord_reed

by Lord_Reed(m): 4:27pm On Oct 21

maclatunji:

Gra-gra plenty for una. If we agree that Islam is submission to God, then we have to define who God is and what His commandments really are because if you don't know who God is and what his commandments truly are. How can you truly submit to him?

However, following the drift of your argument. Yeah! It's possible to die as a Muslim and not know that you're already a Muslim just because of this definition of Islam.


Really? What a laugh. Anyways continue to answer the question I am all eyes.

@Sweetnecta
You really should learn how to stay coherent in your posts. You jumble up words so much I really can't get what you are saying.

As for the video I have not been able to watch it yet.

i know that my post is physics to your history mind. when you have not even watched the videos, it shows how serious you are to find the truth if islam predates judaism.

@Truthman2012:

by truthman2012: 9:09am

You do not understand the concept of Jesus death for sin. What it means is that it makes forgiveness available for anybody who asks for it in Jesus name. Forgiveness is not automatic, you have to ask for it.
Jesus paid for sin forgiveness.

you dont have to die before can be forgiven. to say someone died for your sin is fool.hearty. While there is no acceptance of repentance of death bed, the Bibles agrees with the muslims that the sinner shall have his rewards of what is reward of sin is, unless hs repentance is accepted and be forgiven by God, no Jesus.

I am sure you are aware that Jesus will reject almost all of you christians because he said will reject the "miracle workers by his name" among you. You are a miracle worker here and now trying to cajole us to accepting fallacy we dont want.

Forgiveness is without human blood being spilled. Thats what we see in Quran where forgiveness is made easiest; made directly to Yahweh sincerely from the heart.

Most of you have never seen an ex muslims, before. You only read about them, true or false ex-muslims on the web. I have seen ex-christians and ex-jews with my own very eyes. I even have some in my life; my mother, my spouse, a whole bunch of my friends and associates. i am working on many "christian" families both in chicago and beltsville maryland. I pray that God soften their hearts to know 3 is not 1 and 1 can never be 3. God does not accept human to be sacrificed to him and if Jesus was sacrificed as you claim, he was not sacrificed to God and God will not sacrifice Jesus to satan.

Forgiveness does not have to be a blood sport. Not with God. maybe with you people and satan.

@truthman2012:

by truthman2012: 7:34pm On Oct 22
There is a lot of difference between the death of Jesus and that of Mohammed.

Jesus was not poisoned.

he was hung.

He surrendered Himself to death because that was what he came to do.

surrender you said? those who are going to surrender do not beg.

He was talking about His death before it came.

and he begged. Thats not sincerity in surrendering. The death of Muhammad [sa] was already predicted. have news for you: Jesus will die when he returns. and that will be his first and only death because death, judgment.

He told His disciples that Judas would betray Him even before he did. He could not have eaten poison without knowing.

but he would after all of that. do you know what we call those people who die after knowing how they will die, murderer, suicidal, or helpless victim because they cant prevent the killers from ending their lives. in Islam not jihad[ing] to preserve your life is enough to end up in hell. the only death permissibly is what God Ordained, not what you ordained for yourself. The Bibles make Jesus look bad. But the Quran clears up the bad image.

As for asking the cup to pass over him, He was considering the severeness of the type of death to pass thru. Mind you He said that even before He was sentenced to death, meaning He saw it before it came. Even the Quran admitted the prophethood of Jesus in all the sense of it.

it seems as if when shame was being given freely you didnt acquire any. Most of you people dont have any shame the reason you can pen the above. How is God, son of God, Prophet of God or even a sincere believer in Day of Judgment considering the severity of the type of death he knows is coming? From your Bibles little Isaac [not that i accept that isaac was the slaughtered son of Abraham] considering the "severeness [using your own jargon]" . Heck the lad was not even a prophet then. Your post is pitiful. And i see why you remain a christian. May God guide your soul an let your heart accept His Guidance. Amin. A God sentenced to death and cant get himself out and destroy all the evil planners as Allah destroyed Pharaoh and his army, letting the lifeless body of Pharaoh be recovered so that even people in our generation and future generations like so many past generations can see his end.

As for crying to God on the cross, He was passing thru a serious pain because of the nature of the death but God did not listen because He was carrying the sins of the world.

oh. you compound your ignorance as you write. You know how some people die and are smiling? are they having pain while they were ordinary humans? they must have a better relationship at the point of death with God than those who are feeling pain of death. Which sin of the world: before his death, those jews at his death, after his death or all of them, from Adam [as] to the last person that will be alive? Are you saying Pharaoh and evil people like him, including those who perished in the flood of Noah and the people of Lot, the sodomites will go to paradise? if after him, are you saying Hitler, Musolini etc are in paradise? if its the jews of his time, are you saying that those who killed him and the thief on the left who refused to idolize him are all in paradise? If you say its for the christians alone, then you have defeated your own statement. But wait, shall no christian be found in the lake of fire/hell? Are you people not destined for heaven and paradise for the muslims?

The Bible says God's eyes cannot behold sins.

the bibles lie because Adam and Eve sinned and God saw the sin. God of Islam forgives when a sincere repentance is made. God forgave them, while satan is not forgiven because he had a chance to make repentance, instead he committed more sins on top of the previous ones.

But note that God never attempted to rescue Him and failed unlike the case of Allah and Mohammed.

Jesus is God according to you. He attempted to rescue himself. so you opinion is contrary to what Biblical God did and failed to accomplish his purpose.

If Mohammed had called on Jesus for healing, he would not have died.

Can Jesus heal himself? I can but do nothing of my own power is enough evidence that he cant heal anyone or even himself. Why would any believer seek help of creation when the Creator is nearer than the jugular vein?

He raises the dead, He heals the sick. What Mohammed's Allah could not do, Jesus would have done it. There are records to prove this.

and the record of the last act wipes off what was done before. Physician heal thee self. A physician who cant heal thee self is not a real physician.

You said it is Allah that decree death in islam. Let me ask you these questions and be kind enough to answer them one by one:

you people are as kind to answer our questions.

1. Who decreed Mohammed's death?

His Creator, Allah The One Whose Face Never Perishes.

2. If it was Allah, why did Gabriel pray for him?

The angel wished his brother in faith good. In the Quran, in Surah Ahzab, Allah commands the angels to wish Muhammad [sa] good and the believers to make taslim [wishing him good] upon Muhammad [sa]. Its a command from Allah.

3.Was Gabriel not aware of Allah's death decree on Mohammed before praying for him?

your answer is in above Allah commanded prayers upon Muhammad by the angel. There is a prayer muslim make; bless Muhammad as by number of believers who wish him blessings. bless Muhammad as by number of the disbelievers who do not wish him blessings.

4. Was Gabriel acting against the will of Allah by wanting to rescue Mohammed from Allah's death decree by praying for him?

Gabriel is acting accordance to The Command of Allah.

If these questions are correctly and honestly answered, every reasonable person will know that Mohammed's death was Allah's decree. But until then his death will continue to be seen as Allah's inability to save him which cannot be said of the true Omnipotent God.

now go and read surah Ahzab verse 56 will help your heart to accept that Allah commands and the ending of any affairs is His, Alone. All you need to do is obedience to His Commandments.

In your post please address the issue of Mohammed's death to avoid muddling facts and open another post for Jesus where you can say anything you feel about him. I will surely respond.

we shall not insult Jesus son of Mary [as] because he is our leader in faith, while you dubiously claim him. Prophet Jesus rejects your label for him. He will tell you according to the Bibles that you get away from him because he never knew you. and for sure he does not know you, ever.

^^^^ The Quran is already here, existing, with or without the Bibles.
Let me leave you alone for the moment. I will come back to you.


@Nextpart:

by nextpart(m): 11:49am
This post is meant for intelligent and unbiased people.

there is a "part" waiting for you in the "next" nollywood movie of bad acting. Unbiased he said with a straight when he knows he is lying to us by his conclusion below.

That Muhammed ate poison that caused his death means he did not die a natural death, he was killed. That Gabriel prayed for him to rescue him from death again confirms that the death was not natural. If a true prophet one would expect him to discover the poison before and not after eating it.

That Gabriel prayed for him and he still died means he (Gabriel) wanted to help Muhammad but was incapable of helping him.

That Gabriel prayed for him means Allah too did not want him to die as Gabriel could not do anything without Allah knowing or authorizing it. This means Allah did not want Muhammad to die but yet he died.

My inference based on the above analysis is that Allah/Gabriel who wanted to save Muhammad from death but was incapable of doing so could not be the Almighty God Who has power to raise the death talkless of the dying. God is capable of doing anything he wants done.

pay attention to the bold, because it will be used below.

There are several references in the Bible where true prophets of God raised the dead how much less the dying people.

since you bring your Bibles to your mess, it is only natural to ask you to tell us how a few of the Biblical "prophets" died:

Moses: Was he killed or he died a natural death? describe his death in one word.
John: was he killed or he died a natural death? describe his death in one word.
Jesus: was he killed or he died a natural death? describe his death in one word.

If any of these Biblical prophets was killed in a most horrific way, I hope you will not be happy Yahweh was so powerful [i couldnt say powerless] to allow the killing? if a biblical God was killed and no God rescued him from death, why blame the Muslim God who allowed Muhammad [sa] to live 2 full years after the poison before he died at 63 years of age? Do we say the Biblical Gods that did nothing is what now if you say Quranic God is not God after keeping the man alive with the most potent poison for 2 years after ingesting it?

I therefore believe that a Spirit must have impersonated Allah (i.e. if Allah means the true God in Arabic) and that was why he did not posses the Amighty power of the true God.

you said God is Capable of doing anything He wants to do. This agree with you and it shows that Gabriel was not God. I can say therefore that Jesus is not God, because just as Gabriel prayed, Jesus prayed. But God decided according to you to do the opposite.

however from the Quran, God says every soul [creation] will taste death. God confirms that every creation shall perish and what will remain is God the Creator. God ask the companions of the prophet that we they turn on their heels if Muhammad [sa] were to be killed. whatever you say, we agree that he was "killed". It is already indicated that he will die in the Quran when God says if he was "killed". I will say it is a verse fulfilled. Its a proof that God is Allah. Allah is God.

This impersonated Allah revealed the Quran and is the reason his message contradicts the word of the true, all-powerful God, the Bible.

there is no way the Bible is from God. let me give you some evidences:
the old testament contradicts itself. Jeremiah confirmed that to us by his statement that the pen of the scribes have forged "it".
the new testament contradicts itself. The fact that Jesus did not return as promised to the disciples while you who did not have promise from him is looking for his return. Then we read opinions of Paul and lies and deceptions of Paul for the Jesus.
The OT contradicts the NT [ and the reverse is the case]

And all-powerful God will not need to "refresh".

This Allah who was not capable of saving Muhammad from physical death cannot be trusted for salvation of human's souls because he is not only limited in power, he is not in control of the real heaven/paradise.

Paradise is for muslims and you are not allowed in. Keep your heaven and you may find hell fire in there if you dont open your eyes, you may just fall in. This a good response once; a christian said what you just said and a muslim told him that Yahweh was crying and apologizing to Muhammad [sa] saying that he was even unable to save his own son. Muhammad was said to then show mercy and consoled him and then forgave him.

Look. you will drag yourself through the mud, next time you play the part of an ignorant poster

before polytheism, what did the first arab practice?

let make it easy for ue to understand. what did Ismail [as[ the son Ibrahim [as] practice?
Ibrahim assisted by young Ismail was reported to be the builder of Kaaba in Makka.
I am sure he had a purpose for building it. Did he, Ibrahim and later Ismail [as] house any idol to worship at Kaaba?

Evidently, paganism must begin there at some point, much much later than Ibrahim and Ismail [as] and the generation of the 12 sons of Ismail.

Which religion practiced or being practiced by people of the "scriptures" should Muhammad [sa] have chosen when neither Moses nor Jesus practiced neither of them but Islam itself?

Could anyone tell me a single prophet [as] whose religion is judaism or christianity and give me evidence for it.
we see the jews praying to a wall in Jerusalem. we see the christians praying as they pray in their prayer processes.

Can anyone be certain of a named prophet [as] who did like the jews or the christians?

@wiegraf:

by wiegraf: 1:59am

joey4jo:
With an attitude like this, why would you blame when some muslims turn violent.


You actually think violence is a justifiable means to protect your fairy tales? You think freedom of speech should be suppressed with violence? And you seem pretty pleased with yourself. Who let you out of the 7th century? Perhaps you've not come across this; if you've truly been offended you might have a case, but pls read this link to get another opinion
https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Offended

i am only responding to the bold and not any other, including your website.

is there a limit to freedom of speech before it encroaches upon the privacy and person honor and it become a libelous? will you not be offended if someone make what is called your mama joke around you? how respective is your friend who will falsely malign your beloved mother to your face? will that still be "freedom of speech" to you, when you know that he had lied?

even you are so thick skinned, the rest of the world will not be like you with your thicker than elephant skin. some of us care for what we care for and we love to protect the honor of what makes us "us",

If you dont get to Jannah, how possible for you to ask the Chairman of jannah question?
you people should think before posting.

Those who enter Jannah will have no ill in their hearts. No worries, no nothing of evil.
People of Jannah will be greeted "Salaamualaykum" by angels and then one another, always. Allah is Pleased with them and therefore Pour His Mercy abundantly on them. He has ransomed them by preventing punishment of hell from them.

The people of Jannah will say "Alhamdulillah" a lot.

There will not be a disbeliever in Jannah and only disbelievers will be proposing silly opinion as the topic of this thread and the responses chuck full of "nuts" [things that will be impossible for good soul to indulge in].

Heck. what can we expect from defective heart lacking sincere faith in God but what we find in this thread.

@Truthman2012 and his christian folks:

I wish when muslims make statements about your religion, wanting you give logical truth, you guys will at least mount a reasonable effort, as i have attempted and my brothers and sisters whose posts your find full of knowledge have done. knowledge is no benefit unless you use it. so my advise is that you act upon the knowledge you got from the muslims by implementing it in your spiritual life instead of blindly stuck in dogma that you have accepted because that what momma and papa are in and as an adult you refuse to venture out, even parents can be wrong. save yourself and them from hell whose fuel are stone and "man".

since you find it hard to read my post, here is an advise: ask questions and let my educated brothers and sisters answer and you can dialogue along in coming to a reasonable answer. they may not win you offer because of your faith or fate. but when you start out making allegations against God, His Religion, His Messenger [sa], this single religion, this messenger I love more than life itself, expect me to struggle against you by challenging your thoughts. My brothers and sisters may be milder than me, keeping in their corners for not wanting to offend you. i am not that wise and my wisdom will not prevent me to respond to you clearing up your ignorance. i wonder what you will do if your associate made derogated allegation of filth against the one you love most? will you laugh it of because i expect a person who has moral and reasonable sense of justice to say a word or two to defend the honor of who they love. Muhammad [sa] did when you and jews lied against Jesus and his mother.

Muhammad [sa] is the one who me know that Jesus was not a pagan claiming deity for himself since instinctively i know God is 1 without partner. All the love that I have for Jesus [as] came for what Muhammad [sa] said about him, honoring him, etc. If i take your bibles as the litmus for the position of Jesus [as] he will be categorized as i have done of sango.



@Truthman2012:

by truthman2012: 10:31pm On Oct 21
The summary of your post is 'Mohammed knew the truth better than Allah who told him to ask'.

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Re: Bible Is Superior To Quran by truthman2012: 10:35pm On Oct 21
The summary of your post is 'Mohammed knew the truth better than Allah who told him to ask, so he needed not to ask'

Now I ask you: if the Bible is corrupted according to you muslims, why did Allah tell Mohammed to consult it? You muslims are wiser than you Allah?

This is your own conclusion of my post. it is out there to sound mind what my post says. If I am told to as my uncle if my father was his sibling if i am in doubt of their father being the same man. I could ask if I am still in doubt. If my great grandfather that made that statement whom I have seem both my father and my uncle call grandfather and my grandfather calls him father, if I do not ask my uncle as suggested, it is clear that i believed the person who cleared the air for me by suggesting that i ask my uncle and or i had no doubt in the first place and the suggestion to "ask" was a double assurance of the relation is exactly the way it has been proposed to me.

Quran of Muhammad [sa] is the youngest of all revelations. Allah calls it THE TRUTH. What is there not to accept and if Muhammad [sa] ask or not ask, his Lord has made the DECISION that the TRUTH remains in the hand of Muhammad [sa]. You may need to take up course work in Logic to be able to read good materials and arrive at reasonable conclusion.


How is THE TRUTH going to become less than THE SCRIPTURES which came before it and not anymore described as THE TRUTH? In your mind, how many absolute truth can be on a single subject at anytime? In my understanding, it is ALWAYS 1 and never more than 1.

@Truthman2012:

by truthman2012: 9:22pm
Sweetnecta

You always surprise me and possibly everyone that reads your posts. You just answer as if it is a must for you to answer. There are many knowledgeable muslims I read their posts on nairaland, intelligent posts. I believe they do their homework before they say anything. Don't you discover you are left alone by others? Possibly they don't want to identify with your way of reasoning.

i always surprise you you said and farthest down, you are expecting my irrelevant post as usual. arent you contradicting yourself here? either you are surprise as usual or expecting which is not a surprise.

anyways. no one on nairaland is my islam and i am not the islam of anyone. may Allah accept our efforts in Islam. they say a person who make effort in Islam will have 1 reward, even if he is wrong unknowingly. if he is right, his rewards is double. I am like Abu Bakr [ra] in some ways, striving always. And in some ways, like Ali [ra], striving still. With all the intelligent posts of my brothers and sisters you have read, you have not become muslim and you have not toned f=down your rhetoric against Islam. what have you gained from these intelligent posts or is your heart so hateful of the truth you refuse to acknowledge? you need to check yourself before you are checkmated.

Anyway the summary of your weak defence is that Muhammad needed not to ask any question because he held the truth.

Thats not what i said and you do not know how to summarize anything is your problem. What i said is that when he asks knowing that he has the truth, if those people he asked were sincere, they should be entering Islam. and many did and i gave you a name among many, many. you should have researched before started a thread.

May I ask you, who gave him the truth?

You want to learn. Good. Allah is the answer.

If it was Allah, why did He still ask him to confirm the truth?

some truth are still left in the scriptures and this asking on one occasion may awaken the minds that have been deceived because those who are sincere may just say "how did this man Muhammad [sa] know this truth". Those of them who heard him with clear heart became muslims. We all agree that God is 1, unless you a pagan, trinitarian, atheist.

Suppose Gabriel gave a wrong message to him as only God is infallible.

you think the revelation is from Gabriel? if you shall become a muslim, after reading the truth, i will give you verses that shows that The Revelation of Quran is from Allah, all of it and Gabriel was a messenger carrier and he was unable to even come on earth unless commanded. You need to learn, plenty if you wanna be relevant on the thread you open to criticize Islam.

Was Satan not once an angel but later departed?

Satan was never an angel but a jinn [alujannu]. I will quote you verses in the Quran to support my argument, InshaAllah. But i am not going to waste my precious time to dialogue with you if nothing will come out of it.

Since Mohammed knew that the revelations he received was contrary to what had been in the Scriptures before him and he was given the opportunity to ask questions, why did he not ask?

Is "The Truth" not contrary to "the corrupted"? Which one is "The Truth" and which one is "the revelations before thee" between the Quran and the Scriptures? Make sure you answer according to the verse of the Quran which you quoted but may not have bothered to read and definitely failed to analyze.

Ordinarily a man is expected to be curious especially when he hears conflicting messages and moreso given opportunity to confirm.

how is it that the one who is given "The Truth" be curious about what is not the truth? he was told to as if he was in any doubt that he hold the Truth in his hand. if he didnt ask, it shows that he does not doubt. if he asked it shows that he followed suggestion so that his heart may not be in doubt, if it were before. Either way Muhammad [sa] is the winner.

I am expecting you irrelevant response as usual.

well, to you it is irrelevant. to others, and I, may we find benefit in it. Amin. I pray that Allah fill up my heart with HOPE from Him. I pray that Allah give your heart guidance so that you do not take 3 to be 1, or deceive others that 1 is 3. Amin.

^^^^ the sense you want is that i capitulate in the face of deception. i know your type and i know how to deal with them. Allah has given guts.


simple question we ask you you cant even answer it. yet you make a bold statement about "linking". abeg.

@Truthman2012:

by truthman2012: 5:10pm
Sweetnecta

You said you have to pass through hellfire for you to appreciate what you are spared from. For you to appreciate it you must taste the pain of hellfire.

why are you dishonest because I didnt say i will pass through hellfire, but you said I will and here is what you said in bold in the quote below and my response is what is not in bold in the quote

Keep following a religion that the faithful will pass through hell before some will be rescued, then you will know what staying in hell for a moment means.

The Mercy of God covered Abraham in the fire of tyrannical king. The fire was made cool on him and for him, if was a means of safety. If muslims pass through hell as you suggest, may we not feel its punishment like if we are disbelievers. Amin. But we are not going into hell, but shall be made to pass over it so that we see what we are spared from. Allah is Merciful.

Your quran did not specify how long it will take to pass thru it, how long can you afford to be in hellfire? Quran says some will be left while some will be rescued.

it says pass over it. you must have seen a pass over before?

And there is none of you except he will come to it. This is upon your Lord an inevitability decreed.

this is the verse you think says "into hell" whereas I say "over hell". The word used that you may need to research is WARIDDUHA to mean over it, a pathway over something. Inshallah I will not fall into it while some may just be brought into it without having the chance of the WARIDDUHA. The Power of Allah is Tremendous. Pharaoh and his army perish in the water which Moses and those with him pass through becoming solid walls which they passed between it to safety. I hope in the Mercy of Allah on myself and all sincere muslims. I hope you have the same confidence about your lords, otherwise, join me in Islam.

For some to be rescued from hell and some left there, it means you will all be in it first for an undisclosed period of time. Congratulations.

even if you say i remain in hell, it does not matter as long as my Lord does not punish me by it. My hope is different than yours.

@Nextpart:

by nextpart(m): 3:04pm
Pickthall 10:94

''And if thou (Muhammad) art in doubt concerning that which We reveal unto thee, then question those who read the Scripture (that was) before thee. Verily the Truth from thy Lord hath come unto thee. So be not thou of the waverers.

Here Allah/Gabriel told Muhammed to athenticate the revelations he received from the Christians and the Bible.

authentication he must do as instructed considering that Allah says "Verily [Muhammad [sa]] the Truth from they Lord hath come unto thee. So be not thou of the waverers.". Allah says Muhammad [sa] they truth and must not be one of those who wavers, to mean that there must be some people who had the truth and they waver before you, or there are some who are alive with you now who waver from the truth or is there another explanation of "so do not thou of the waverers"?

If you do not have truth in the first place you will not be a waverer, but just a simple ignorant person without knowledge. a waverer must have truth before he wavers to become a hypocrite, hiding the truth from himself, alone and other people.

What i gathered in the above verse therefore that Muhammad [sa] with the truth in your hand, definitely, you can question the people who are reading presently "scriptures" that was revealed at some point in time before you are given the "Truth" that you have, presently. Why ask or question this people with early revelation now that you have the truth? Maybe it is a means of Mercy to gently make them enter The Truth you have Muhammad [sa], because should be able to regain good common senses if they are sincere seekers of Truth. Here is The Truth and they should now get away from the falsehood they are dogged in, calling it "revelations", knowingly ignoring the corruptions that has entered them. Is there any other explanation especially that he must question/ask them when he has The Truth in complete purity, but gently nudge them without letting them feel shameful or humiliated so that those who are God conscious will accept guidance in your hands?

Definitely, we see that the "scriptures" saying that Jesus killed in crucifixion on the cross must be untrue if Muhammad's Truth says "he was not killed and was not crucified. . . .".

Pickthall 16:43:

And We sent not (as Our messengers) before thee other than men whom We inspired - Ask the Remembrance if ye know not.!

Here again, Allah/Gabriel said if Muhammad was not clear of any issue he should consult the Christians.

Let me help you and throw in "the Jews" because they are people who have received scripture, Torah of Moses, Sabur of David before the Injil of Jesus [as] to each of them]. Look at the bold, Each of them was a "MAN", and he was "INSPIRED". None of them was but a man receiving inspiration to be delivered. Said inspiration was not about him which gospel about Jesus in the "according to Mark, Matthew, John and Luke" indicate, instead of Gospel of Jesus "A Revelation of God Almighty on Jesus to deliver to man in his community" so that it can be spread forward, until The Last Revelation of God Almighty upon The Another Comforter {Muhammad bin Abdallah [sa]] The Quran that will be sufficient for man till the Day of Assembly.

The summary of it is that it is the Bible that determines the correctness or otherwise of the Quran.

not exactly because the Quran is the Truth with thee, remember? When Muhammad [sa] asked/questioned the people in Madina, many of them entered Islam and Muhammad [sa] didnt enter their religions. Thats common sense, if you know since Muhammad [sa] died as a Muslim and many former Jews and Christians entered Islam under Muhammad and also died as muslims. Some of the were former Jewish School, Abdullah AbdulsSalaam [ra] and many many more men and women who use to be people of the "Scriptures".

Why did Muhammad not take to Allah/Gabriel's advice on this because he had reason to make consultation with the Christians as the revelations he received contradicted the Bible especially the Sonship of Jesus among others?

Maybe my dialogue here is with a personality that is not fully formed, yet. Maybe, I said because there is no place in what you have put forward that suggest that Muhammad [sa] should do more than ask/question them since what he is hold is "The Truth". What will be better than the 'The Truth'? People should come to "The Truth" by following the one who has in his hand and his actions are based on the "The Truth".

If his reason for not making enquiry as required of him is the same with what today's muslims say about the Bible, was he wiser than Allah/Gabriel that required him to do so?

you seem to be at a lost because the person who is holding the "The Truth" is the person occupying the position of what "The Truth" offers. We can see that you are not paying attention to what you write if you know the difference between asking when you dont have the truth and asking when you have "The Truth". The latter is to awaken the consciousness or conscience of the persons you are asking because wen they hear you they should be able to recognize the truth that you have and if they are sincere acknowledge it and sign up along your side.


[quoteMuhammad's failure to ask appropriate questions on MARRIAGE, SONSHIP, REVENGE, PEACE, DIFFERENT DESCPTION OF HEAVEN etc will go a long way in determining where the whole muslim world will spend their eternity.[/quote]as a christian, can you personally tell me anything about marriage from any of the 4 Gospels when Jesus they are writing about was never married? do you consider a theorist better or even equal to the one who lived it in reality?

Can you in your entire life explain sonship in a clear manner that somebody will not have a doubt that God could really father a man? Let me leave you without going to revenge, peace because i will have to go hard on you with evidence that Jesus of the Bibles was revengeful and brought no peace, but swords and wars [at least thats what the Bibles recorded for him]. Different heavens? I thought heaven is just one where the christian will reside singing, behaving like angels [do the angels sing all the time and do nothing else?]. I am assuming from your statement that hell i somewhere else now; maybe on this earth? you may locate it for us or is it between the earth and heaven where you will have to pass when you are raptured? or under the earth that you as a christian is standing on?

Despite what the muslims say, the Bible remains a reference Book for the muslims.

no it doesnt because Muslims under Muhammad [sa] has "THE TRUTH". we shall let you christians and jews dispute with each other while you have the same book; The bible containing OT and NT, while I as a muslim believe in Torah revealed to Moses, Sabur revealed to David and Injil revealed to Jesus son of Mary.

@Nextpart:

by nextpart(m): 3:04pm
Pickthall 10:94

''And if thou (Muhammad) art in doubt concerning that which We reveal unto thee, then question those who read the Scripture (that was) before thee. Verily the Truth from thy Lord hath come unto thee. So be not thou of the waverers.

Here Allah/Gabriel told Muhammed to athenticate the revelations he received from the Christians and the Bible.

authentication he must do as instructed considering that Allah says "Verily [Muhammad [sa]] the Truth from they Lord hath come unto thee. So be not thou of the waverers.". Allah says Muhammad [sa] they truth and must not be one of those who wavers, to mean that there must be some people who had the truth and they waver before you, or there are some who are alive with you now who waver from the truth or is there another explanation of "so do not thou of the waverers"?

If you do not have truth in the first place you will not be a waverer, but just a simple ignorant person without knowledge. a waverer must have truth before he wavers to become a hypocrite, hiding the truth from himself, alone and other people.

What i gathered in the above verse therefore that Muhammad [sa] with the truth in your hand, definitely, you can question the people who are reading presently "scriptures" that was revealed at some point in time before you are given the "Truth" that you have, presently. Why ask or question this people with early revelation now that you have the truth? Maybe it is a means of Mercy to gently make them enter The Truth you have Muhammad [sa], because should be able to regain good common senses if they are sincere seekers of Truth. Here is The Truth and they should now get away from the falsehood they are dogged in, calling it "revelations", knowingly ignoring the corruptions that has entered them. Is there any other explanation especially that he must question/ask them when he has The Truth in complete purity, but gently nudge them without letting them feel shameful or humiliated so that those who are God conscious will accept guidance in your hands?

Definitely, we see that the "scriptures" saying that Jesus killed in crucifixion on the cross must be untrue if Muhammad's Truth says "he was not killed and was not crucified. . . .".

Pickthall 16:43:

And We sent not (as Our messengers) before thee other than men whom We inspired - Ask the Remembrance if ye know not.!

Here again, Allah/Gabriel said if Muhammad was not clear of any issue he should consult the Christians.

Let me help you and throw in "the Jews" because they are people who have received scripture, Torah of Moses, Sabur of David before the Injil of Jesus [as] to each of them]. Look at the bold, Each of them was a "MAN", and he was "INSPIRED". None of them was but a man receiving inspiration to be delivered. Said inspiration was not about him which gospel about Jesus in the "according to Mark, Matthew, John and Luke" indicate, instead of Gospel of Jesus "A Revelation of God Almighty on Jesus to deliver to man in his community" so that it can be spread forward, until The Last Revelation of God Almighty upon The Another Comforter {Muhammad bin Abdallah [sa]] The Quran that will be sufficient for man till the Day of Assembly.

The summary of it is that it is the Bible that determines the correctness or otherwise of the Quran.

not exactly because the Quran is the Truth with thee, remember? When Muhammad [sa] asked/questioned the people in Madina, many of them entered Islam and Muhammad [sa] didnt enter their religions. Thats common sense, if you know since Muhammad [sa] died as a Muslim and many former Jews and Christians entered Islam under Muhammad and also died as muslims. Some of the were former Jewish School, Abdullah AbdulsSalaam [ra] and many many more men and women who use to be people of the "Scriptures".

Why did Muhammad not take to Allah/Gabriel's advice on this because he had reason to make consultation with the Christians as the revelations he received contradicted the Bible especially the Sonship of Jesus among others?

Maybe my dialogue here is with a personality that is not fully formed, yet. Maybe, I said because there is no place in what you have put forward that suggest that Muhammad [sa] should do more than ask/question them since what he is hold is "The Truth". What will be better than the 'The Truth'? People should come to "The Truth" by following the one who has in his hand and his actions are based on the "The Truth".

If his reason for not making enquiry as required of him is the same with what today's muslims say about the Bible, was he wiser than Allah/Gabriel that required him to do so?

you seem to be at a lost because the person who is holding the "The Truth" is the person occupying the position of what "The Truth" offers. We can see that you are not paying attention to what you write if you know the difference between asking when you dont have the truth and asking when you have "The Truth". The latter is to awaken the consciousness or conscience of the persons you are asking because wen they hear you they should be able to recognize the truth that you have and if they are sincere acknowledge it and sign up along your side.


[quoteMuhammad's failure to ask appropriate questions on MARRIAGE, SONSHIP, REVENGE, PEACE, DIFFERENT DESCPTION OF HEAVEN etc will go a long way in determining where the whole muslim world will spend their eternity.[/quote]as a christian, can you personally tell me anything about marriage from any of the 4 Gospels when Jesus they are writing about was never married? do you consider a theorist better or even equal to the one who lived it in reality?

Can you in your entire life explain sonship in a clear manner that somebody will not have a doubt that God could really father a man? Let me leave you without going to revenge, peace because i will have to go hard on you with evidence that Jesus of the Bibles was revengeful and brought no peace, but swords and wars [at least thats what the Bibles recorded for him]. Different heavens? I thought heaven is just one where the christian will reside singing, behaving like angels [do the angels sing all the time and do nothing else?]. I am assuming from your statement that hell i somewhere else now; maybe on this earth? you may locate it for us or is it between the earth and heaven where you will have to pass when you are raptured? or under the earth that you as a christian is standing on?

Despite what the muslims say, the Bible remains a reference Book for the muslims.

no it doesnt because Muslims under Muhammad [sa] has "THE TRUTH". we shall let you christians and jews dispute with each other while you have the same book; The bible containing OT and NT, while I as a muslim believe in Torah revealed to Moses, Sabur revealed to David and Injil revealed to Jesus son of Mary.

@inurmind:

by inurmind: 4:00pm
Hmm let me see... The bible is a revised version of the ancient mythologies of indian, egyptian, and european gods; while the quran is a hideously revised version of others gods too.
So all me can say is they are both inferior to the mythologies they copied fromcheesy

maybe you are not so bright the reason you chose your moniker, unless you can provide irrefutable evidence to the bold? which hideously original did the Quran is a revision of, and what are the names of these other gods? i dont think they make them more stu.pid in nigeria these days; they open their mouth and what comes out is usel.ess garbage that even the best of waste energy system things its a waste of effort to collect. those who accuse must provide evidence.

@Lord Reed:

by Lord_Reed(m): 8:55pm On Oct 20

Sweetnecta: @Lord_Reed, Tiarabubu, etc:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PA2N2Iz5ExM

watch that video. The jewish rabbi says Islam predates judaism because they [the jews] know it is the religion of "beni Noah"
i have news for you: Islam was the religion of Adam [as] an his wife. You must believe they worshiped God. Not in judaism or in christianity. But in Islam.


watch this, too. You should hear the rabbi saying "God hears the arabs" so they the judeo-christians need to work hard to make sure The Muslims dont utilize the advantage of God making Himself the Hearer of the Arabs. What the rabbi forgets is that such intention to not let God hear what He has decreed to hear is actually fight against God.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdsVGoGbbqI&feature=related

if only you have not allowed your prejudices to cloud your judgment, you would would have read the two bold, watch the videos and the below statement that made no sense would not have been put up as a means of responding to me.

Sometimes I struggle to understand your posts because somehow they loose coherence. I don't understand what you are driving at.

Islam says dont let your dislike [prejudice] make you unjust. did you ask maclatunji to provide evidence that islam predates judaism? the ewish rabbi in the first video said the religion of beni noah they believe was Islam, to indicate that judaism came much later. Allah says that even Abraham who was after such a time as the time of beni noah was not a jew, because jew and judaism came much later, probably in the time of the children of jacob for the tribe of jew and much after Moses for the religion of judaism. remember was here to correct the lost among them, almost all of them was were lost except a few: John and his father, and their relatives.

the jewish rabbi in the second video was saying that the God he worships says He will listen to the arabs, evidenced by muslims praying 5 times a day [the words of the jewish rabbi]. dont they teach you people anything in school anymore? you seem no to be a reader of any beneficial material, if it will steer you away from what you are dogmatic about.

There is an app for reading: open your eyes.

@Truthman2012: You truly need a good education, ability to think through and coming to reasonable conclusion. I will do my bit on you this morning. I do not have authority over you agreement or disagreement on glaring reality. I can only put it in front of you so that you will have no defense.

? by truthman2012: 11:05pm On Oct 20
Sweetnecta

You believe what the Bible says about Jesus calling his mother 'woman'.

while i dont believe Jesus said that insulting expression to his mother, it is however in the Bibles where i read it. The reason I do not believe it is that no true prophet, in fact no good son will serious address his mother in such a disrespectful manner. Quran says Jesus was commanded to be kind and never to be a source of hardship, never to treat his mother harshly. I believe the Quran over the Bible. The Quran never says that i must believe in the Bible, while the Quran says I must believe what was revealed to Moses, David and Jesus {suhufi Ibrahim and Musa].

The same Bible says Jesus is the Son of God, do you believe it?

The bible parts I believe are because they agree with what Quran says: Jesus son of Mary [son of man says the Bible]. Jesus could not be son of God, because the evidences of that are his praying to God at the Gethsemane, his saying "your Lord is my Lord and He is One God", telling satan "thou shall not worship anyone but God [you truthman2012 worship Jesus, dont you see how disagree in reality with Jesus?]", and at the supposed hanging, Jesus was reported to have yelled "my God {Ellah while the jews in their rage said he said Elias]" twice without ever saying my father [aba] to show his father was letting him go through whatever he was reported to be going through.

The same Bible says Jesus is the only way to God, do you believe it?

no, because how did Jesus play the role of only way when he can only in the middle of the journey and never hang around to finish the leading which he said another comforter is the one that will lead us all to the straight and thorn free path? How did Jesus lead Adam [as], Eve, Abel, etc, Enoch and Noah and Abraham and Lot and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and Joseph and Moses and Aaron and Joshua and and and Samuel and Saul and David and Solomon and and and Zacharia and John to God when they were elects of God getting Information from to benefit man? You think it makes sense that man benefit from what these brought and they themselves didnt? You think everyone was in Hell until Jesus brought what he brought for people of the future? What about people of the past, even Abraham who was a Friend of God and Father of Faith? You think Yahweh will create Adam and throw him in hell not first showing him how to seek repentance so that he can receive SALVATION from Him? what kind of mean and unmerciful God you worship?

The same Bible says Jesus is coming again to take us to Himself, do you believe it?

the 12 disciples died waiting. The apostle Paul died never getting to that promised land that you want to be carried to. First the prophesy is not on you, but the 12 disciples of Jesus. Since it did not happened as expected, it is a failed prophesy and you know what they say about the prophet who says whatever that does not come true, about being "shall die" and "you shall not fear him". I say the Bibles lie on Jesus.

Of course I accept that he will return as part of the signs of end time approaching because of Quran saying so.

Keep following a prophet who his angel (Gabriel) said his fate and that of his followers is unknown.

then your arrogant mind has not allowed you to pick up The Quran and from it verse about paradise for Muslims. Are not one of those who say our paradise is glutenous? Why are bac tracking now? You think paradise is not paradise? Funny man, you.

Keep following a religion that the faithful will pass through hell before some will be rescued, then you will know what staying in hell for a moment means.

The Mercy of God covered Abraham in the fire of tyrannical king. The fire was made cool on him and for him, if was a means of safety. If muslims pass through hell as you suggest, may we not feel its punishment like if we are disbelievers. Amin. But we are not going into hell, but shall be made to pass over it so that we see what we are spared from. Allah is Merciful.

Keep following a return to imperfection after Jesus has perfected human salvation.

What is human salvation when you disobey Jesus you said is your leader? Disobeying God that Jesus worshiped is the absolute disobedience. I am with Jesus on worshiping his Lord Who is my Lord Who is One God.

@Lord_Reed, Tiarabubu, etc:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PA2N2Iz5ExM

watch that video. The jewish rabbi says Islam predates judaism because the know it is the religion of "beni Noah"
i have news for you: Islam was the religion of Adam [as] an his wife. You must believe they worshiped God. Not in judaism or in christianity. But in Islam.


watch this, too. You should hear the rabbi saying "God hears the arabs" so they the judeo-christians need to work hard to make sure The Muslims dont utilize the advantage of God making Himself the Hearer of the Arabs. What the rabbi forgets is that such intention to not let God hear what He has decreed to hear is actually fight against God.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdsVGoGbbqI&feature=related

@truthman2012:

btruthman2012: 5:17pm
Allah said he is the best creator of all creators. Any controversy in this? I think the English is simple enough.

it is simple enough just like the Biblical verse of "do not worship any other God beside me" which tells us the Biblical God agrees that there are other Gods. You may just have found your Trinity here

Biblical God says He is a jealous God. Why jealousy except there is expectation of competitions from competitors?