^^^^^^^^^^^^ The jews use the same gimmick against the Christians.

@Frosbel:

by frosbel(m): 1:04pm

Sweetnecta: hey Olaadegbu, Frosbel is arguing against trinity in a thread near you.

he says neither Jesus nor Holy spirit is God.


Yahweh is GOD.

Jesus is GOD in the sense of the word Adoni which means LORD .

In purpose JESUS is ONE with GOD but Yahweh is ONE Only and there is no other.

The Holy Spirit is GOD Himself, which is to say his Spirit , so please do not misquote me wink

3 Gods, 3 persons. Is this not Trinity that Olaadegbu is talking about that you are at the same time saying does not exist? As much as I say Olaadegbu is wrong. He has something better than you in character He is consistent. He stands on principle, though deficient. You on the other hand stands on nothing. You criticized Trinity yet you are using 3 God persons to argue with me.

Can you run a serious computer program on one hand saying God is Yahweh and there is no other God and Jesus and Holy Spirit are Gods in addition and let me see how you come out?

@Tiarabubu

by tiarabubu: 6:11am

Let me quote this passage that breaks this down to a basic level;


First, let the New Testament texts speak for themselves. They clearly state that the Comforter is the Holy Spirit. There is no ambiguity about this. Consequently Muhammad is not the Comforter based upon what the Bible explicitly states.

the verses stated that the another comforter to mean there was a comforter or comforters before him is spirit of truth, then Holy spirit, then spirit of truth and spirit from God. This means 3 times; 1st, 3rd and 4th statements is spirit of truth and only 2nd statement is Holy spirit which is 75% spirit of trut and 25% holy spirit. Do the math and see if holy spirit made the grade or is it spirit of truth that did.

What is spirit of truth except the one who speaks the truth regardless of the bitterness; in correcting, teaching, etc?

Second let us take the context of the texts into account. If you are going to understand any passage of Scripture you must understand its context. When Jesus spoke these words in John it was His last ministerial time with His disciples prior to His death, crucifixion, and resurrection. Jesus is being very intimate with them. Understand then, when he speaks to them He is including them – these very disciples, specifically. These are the men He knew best and loved; they were His friends. These were His final words to them, and He wanted them to know what was in store.

you must then know that there is no way you or I should accept anyone in the generation of the disciples to have any opinion except the another comforter. so where do you place saint paul in this case if he is not the another comforter, a comforter who must have audible voice based on the description of his duty?

Therefore, knowing that these passages of John are being spoken intimately between Jesus and His disciples there are several key points we can discover concerning the Comforter and His relationship with Jesus’ disciples.

if it is true, disciples only not anyone or generation after the 12 disciples. ironically, there were 11 left and all of them are now dead and Jesus has not returned as promised in their lifetime.

John 14:16 — And I will ask the Father and He will give you another Comforter to be with you forever - the Spirit of Truth.

not the holy spirit.

The Comforter will be with these disciples forever.

are the disciples for ever? at best the another comforter ended with the 12. are you ready to accept this? Where is the correction information from the another comforter if he corrected anything?

Jesus promised the Comforter would be with these disciples forever.

Forever as in end of time or the end of their time?

Muhammad could not be the Comforter because he wasn't born until over 500 years later - following the deaths of these disciples. He was born around 570 and died around 632 AD.

you will have to accept that the another comforter was a thing of the future when spoken by Jesus. Jesus said he will come in the lifetime of the disciples. But he never came because you are still expecting him. I am expecting him, but hopefully not in my lifetime. Its been 2000 years at least you have been expecting him. so 570 years after his death is within the ball pack of fulfilled prophesy if Jesus was not wrong in that verse about the talking another comforter.

What is amazing is that we believe that a Day in the Sight of God is 50,000 years or more or less of our human day. so how much is 570 years in relation to 50,00 years as a day? less than one hour.

John 14:17 — But you know him for he lives with you and will be in you

these 2 bold oppose each other. The first is already active while the later is something will just occur in the future.

The Comforter lives with the disciples already now and will later be 'in' them.

Does this make logical sense? You live in your house now. But will later begin to live in your house?

The Holy Spirit came to the disciples and indwelt them.

if this was true, i wonder how one of them was called satan by Jesus? and they were of little faith even then? how was the holy spirit indwelt "them" that they now need correction, because they must have made mistake?

Muhammad could not be the Comforter because first he wasn't around at the time when Jesus was speaking to his disciples nor second could he ever be in any of the disciples. The Greek word is 'en', and it means 'right inside'. Jesus is saying that the Comforter will be 'right inside' of the disciples.

You couldnt use syriac or aramaic word; I know. But "right inside" of the disciples will mean Paul was a liar and you are not better of claiming that holy spirit dwell in you or even following Paul. You will know that there is no Gospel of Jesus, only Gospel of others about Jesus, hence watering down the truth from Jesus one of the reasons for a correcting Another comforter.

John 14:26 — The Comforter is specifically described as the Holy Spirit.

Te spirit of truth 3 times while holy spirit just 1 time.

The Comforter is not a man.

Man usually speaks in audible voice. Invisible spirit doe not. not usually. The another comforter was to speak what he hears. It means he must hear first before he speaks. This will tell me that he is not a God. whereas you will argue that Holy Spirit is God and God can not hear from God before God speaks to man.

Muhammad could not be the Comforter because he was never the Holy Spirit.

Muhammad [sa] like Jesus [as] was human with audible voice. Holy spirit does not have a voice. The another comforter is supposed to speak in audible voice. The Holy Spirit which is part of the Gods in Trinity can not be the another comforter.

John 14:26 — The Comforter will be sent in Jesus' name.

Thats what you said Jesus said, while Jesus came in the Name of God, like all previous prophets [as]. Unless the another comforter is less than previous prophets who were send in the Name of God, there is no way the another Comforter to correct once and for all, finally, will be sent in any name less than in The Name of God.

The Holy Spirit represented the Lord on earth.

Why would it be sent in a lesser name than in The Name of God?

No Muslim believes that Muhammad was sent by God in Jesus name.

No one is ever sent by any other name than The Name of God and still be a Messenger or Prophet of God. Jesus was also sent in The name of God and he was not the last that will be sent. Why would this last be sent in the name of lesser entity than The Name of God?

Muhammad did not come in Jesus' name, as the apostle of Jesus, rather he came in his own name with his own questionable “revelations”.

Muhammad [sa] came in the Name of God. Read the Quran. The apostles of Jesus were 12; from them the denying Peter the satan dwelling, the betrayal Iscariot, all of the 12 are of little faith, non to count upon in tie of need. Why should Muhammad [sa] come from this stock? Questionable revelation in regard or compared to what and which revelation? Te Quran is in authentic Arabiya. Every muslim agrees to it.

John 14:26 — But the Comforter, the Holy Spirit whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you."

this is the only place the another comforter is called holy spirit. But what did the another comforter teach and remind the disciples? Name one. Just one and point us to the statement in any book about the another comforter by the disciples.

The Comforter will teach these disciples and remind them of what Christ said to them. As the early Christians grew the Holy Spirit taught them. Muhammad is not the Comforter because he never knew the disciples and he didn't teach these disciples, and Muhammad never reminded the disciples of what Christ said.

read the first part preceding the bold. then read the bold. Unless the people in the bold are the disciple, your effort to include them in the activity of the another comforter is foiled, if the Bible verses recorded Jesus accurately. I have addressed the issue of Muhammad [sa], earlier.

John 15:26 — When the Comforter comes, whom I will send

initially, it is Gd that will send the another comforter. Now it is Jesus who will send him. You see double talk as in subtle change in word and name and process that feeble will just swallow the lies?

to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father, he will testify about me.

He is called spirit of truth, the 2nd time, testifying. You testify by physical action or audible voice.

The Comforter would be sent to these disciples. These disciples received the Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost. Muhammad was never sent to these disciples.

what did the holy spirit teach them, correct them on, etc on the day of pentecost? You must give example, otherwise people will think you are playing trick on us all. and we aint buying. If nothing, then Jesus is either wrong or all of christianity is wrong or both.

John 16:13 — But when he, the Spirit of Truth comes, he will guide you into all truth.

he is referred again as spirit of truth the 3rd time and he is now guiding to all truth that Jesus did not guide to. Tell me now which truth is in the all truth that the holy spirit guided the disciples to?

The Comforter will guide these disciples into all truth.

One truth please show us. That should be easy from "all truth".

These disciples (and others) grew in the knowledge of God through the revelations from the Holy Spirit.

It is promised to the disciples, alone and the other is your own trick. sow us how te disciple grew in the knowledge of God after Jesus left and new spirit came to them?

Muhammad never guided these disciples into any truth.

Read your above where you added 'others'. and here you remove the "other", on the same subject matter, thinking we will not discover your dishonesty. We read and we pay attention. Muhammad[sa] has the Quran. What is the book of correction from the Holy Spirit?

John 16:13 — He will not speak on his own, he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.

Speaking, hearing, telling of things yet to come are descriptions and functions of the another comforter. Muhammad [sa] heard and then spoke of what he heard by the Quran. He spoke about things yet to come by it, the sunnah and hadith. Tell us anything from the Holy spirit that is comparable to what I have said about Muhammad [sa], here.

The Comforter will speak to these disciples.

Quote a single statement from the Holy Spirit. That will be enough and I will stop hounding you. I know you cant.

These disciples grew to know the leading of the Holy Spirit, i.e. they knew His voice.

If I were not a gentleman, I would say you are lying. You know thats not true, tiarabubu.

Muhammad never spoke to these disciples.

Neither did the voiceless Holy Spirit. Then Jesus was wrong, if this is the case, or it was the Bible writers who lied.

John 16:14 — He will bring glory to me by taking from what is mine and making it known to you. All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will take from what is mine and make it known to you.

what belongs to Jesus is not clear here because satan told him he has been given everything, using that as the carrot to ask Jesus to worship him. I say this verse or part of it talking about Jesus owning anything is a lie; the same Jesus who is powerless and knows not the time of the hour, like every creation.

The Comforter will take from Jesus and make it known to the disciples. Muhammad never knew Jesus and never took from Jesus and made it known to anyone.

Take what from Jesus? Tell us one thing that the disciples didnt know from Jesus and the Holy Spirit took from Jesus and showed it to the disciples. One ting.

The context of these passages shows clearly that Muhammad could not be the Comforter.

Neither could the Holy Spirit. And definitely after the 12, no christians could have benefited from the Another Comforter.

Jesus was not speaking of another person to come at a later date. Jesus’ precious final words to His disciples were meant for them.

so how do you claim more people than the 12?

Jesus was not merely preaching a sermon to be analyzed and intellectually talked about through the centuries, rather, He was giving His the disciples with Him there His final commands, love, and encouragement.

Jesus failed if this verses were penned accurately because the Holy Spirit does not have any audible voice. There is no record of anything he said anew about anything or anyone. Since Jesus has not returned and the disciples are all dead, we see clearly that Jesus was completely wrong unless the Bible writers misrepresented him. We have to then look at what is plausible. You will find the truth staring you down in the Quran.

Www.answering-islam.org/Silas/comforter.htm

Tiara, you can do better. Abeg.

@Ogoamaka99 and others including frosbel and Olaadebu; How did the Holy Spirit if not a talking Human being accomplished the below function of the another comforter?

for he shall [/b]not speak of himself; but whatsoever [b]he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Is the maker of that statement in the Bible completely wrong if its a voiceless Spirit instead of a good spirit as in human prophet from God?

Has anything other than man act as prophet or bringer of information to human community at large? Jesus was human. How can he now send voiceless spirit to humans now to speak? What did he say without any voice? What did he teach? What wrong did he make correction on?

hey Olaadegbu, Frosbel is arguing against trinity in a thread near you.

he says neither Jesus nor Holy spirit is God.

I am glad that Frosbel finally admitted that neither Jesus nor Holy Spirit is God.

Now you need to quit christianity altogether because the Bible, through the confusion maker magician saint Paul stated Jesus and Holy Spirit are gods in addition to Ellah The God of Jesus.

You cannot say you are a monotheist as a christian with what we find in the Bible.

Your best bet is Islam being the true monpteist, and the only radical and clearly worldwide Universal monotheists are the muslims; Islam is unlike the tribal monotheistic judaism or pseudo monotheistic christianity.

@Tiarabubu:

by tiarabubu: 2:18pm

LagosShia:

Holy Quran 61:7
"And [mention] when Jesus, the son of Mary, said, "O children of Israel, indeed I am the messenger of Allah to you confirming what came before me of the Torah and bringing good tidings of a messenger to come after me, whose name is Ahmad ("the praiseworthy";compare with the greek word used for "comforter" in the book of John)." But when he came to them with clear evidences, they said, "This is obvious magic."


Even if Jesus ever said those words, how does "Ahmed" compare with comforter (in characteristic and description)?


John 14:16
And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever--the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you.



Alas, you are trying too hard.

the things we must all agree in; the comforter will come after Jesus told his disciples about him and definitely after Jesus must have gone. if you call the comforter counselor and spirit, it simply meant he was not seen physically at the time he was being announced to be coming in the future and he will counsel people. there was at least a previous counselor before the another counselor, comforter who is also a spirit of truth, since the previous comforter must be a spirit of truth, too. The world will have a great disagreement with him first before any acceptance by some, since there is no prophet who did not have some segment of people rejecting him.

we see that holy spirit in the bible was already known, even as it has dwell with many and came on a woman and help and supported her son, Jesus. we therefore must think that the yet unknown by the world another comforter though only known by the words of Jesus to his disciples cannot be the holy spirit. His living in you as spoken by Jesus must be by description, only.

Now "Ahmad" [sa] one of the names of Muhammad [sa] means counselor, comforter.

The Bible outlined who the comforter, the counselor, the spirit of truth as a prophet of God description and his duties:

Below are the New Testament texts concerning the Comforter.



JOHN 14:15-17: "If you love me you will obey what I command. And I will ask the Father and He will give you another Comforter to be with you forever - the Spirit of Truth. The world cannot accept him because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him for he lives with you and will be in you."

JOHN 14:25, 26: "All this I have spoken while still with you. But the Comforter, the Holy Spirit whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you."

JOHN 15:26: "When the Comforter comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father, he will testify about me."

JOHN 16:7,8: "But I tell you the truth: It is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Comforter will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you. When he comes he will convict the world of guilt in regard to sin and righteousness and judgment...."

JOHN 16:13-15: "But when he, the Spirit of Truth comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own, he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. He will bring glory to me by taking from what is mine and making it known to you. All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will take from what is mine and make it known to you."

below is what the Quran says about Muhammad [sa]:

His concern about people: believers in particular

Quran Chapter 9 Verse 128; Surely, there has come to you a Messenger from amongst you, hard on whom is your suffering, for the good of you he craves and for believers he is kind, merciful. [128]

His position as the last messenger being already told to the prophets before him

(And when Allah took the covenant of the Prophets, saying: "Take whatever I gave you from the Book and Hikmah, and afterwards there will come to you a Messenger confirming what is with you; you must, then, believe in him and help him.'' Allah said: "Do you agree, and will you take up My covenant'' They said: "We agree.'' He said: "Then bear witness; and I am with you among the witnesses.'') (3:81)

Islam being the religion of all prophets before Muhammad [sa], including Jesus son of Mary [as]

(He (Allah) has ordained for you the same religion which He ordained for Nuh, and that which We have revealed to you, and that which We ordained for Ibrahim, Musa and `Isa saying you should establish religion and make no divisions in it.) (42:13)

(Indeed, the Messengers of our Lord did come with the truth.) (7:43)

With the above, it is no wonder that Jesus said in the Quran as Lagosshia rightly quoted,

Holy Quran 61:7
"And [mention] when Jesus, the son of Mary, said, "O children of Israel, indeed I am the messenger of Allah to you confirming what came before me of the Torah and bringing good tidings of a messenger to come after me, whose name is Ahmad ("the praiseworthy";compare with the greek word used for "comforter" in the book of John)." But when he came to them with clear evidences, they said, "This is obvious magic."

and when you look at what he is to do in the Biblical verses already posted above, the comforter must have a voice, how else can anyone hear him correct mistakes on the ground, teach, remind of what is the truth, leading, etc?

You now need to keep your bubu still, discard the tiara and put on a kimar and take shahadah and enter Islam.

@Crazyman and Olaadegbu;

by CrazyMan(m): 5:00pm

Sweetnecta: ^^^^ is this the test from your bibles or you just made it up, as usual?

@Olaadegbu: give me the verse if you are truthful. otherwise, i will say you are just making things up.

1John 4:1-3 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2 This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3 but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.

God asked us to be wise...I watched a video uploded on this forum where a pastor made it clear that christianity is all about the money.

A true child of God would not divert you away from the bible, but would make you embrace it even more...read the passage above and you would find much understanding.

i suppose you will see that from the first bold spirit is prophet.

an i suppose you will recognize that the test of true prophet in the second bold is that such a prophet will need to say Jesus is the Christ. Muhammad [sa] by Quran from his God and by hadith as his Lord permits stated that Jesus is the Christ.

@Olaadegbu:

by OLAADEGBU(m): 4:58pm

Sweetnecta: ^^^^ is this the test from your bibles or you just made it up, as usual?

@Olaadegbu: give me the verse if you are truthful. otherwise, i will say you are just making things up.


The verses you are asking for are right under your nose (The OP). What part don't you understand? Do you want me to translate it into Arabic?

i missed the verse below in the oped, because you tuck it in the obscure middle. i doubt if you actually believe it because it actually goes to classify the speaker of the verses below it here to be a false prophet: even though i know he wasnt but the bible writers must have lied.

quote from your op post:

The chief test of a prophet was not his ability to perform signs and wonders (v. 1). Elsewhere the test of total, lifelong accuracy was applied. "When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously. . . . that prophet shall die" (Deuteronomy 18:22, 20). A more immediate test lay in the absolute harmony of the prophet's message and deeds with the revealed Word of God, and the wholehearted commitment to the Lord Himself. This test takes the form of the holy standard set forth in our text.

the bold sure will prove the speaker of the below to be false prophet, will you not say? The false prophet shall die; a shameful death i suppose.

mark13 verse 30; "Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done."

Jesus was talking about his return to the disciples, long before apostle Paul. Alas! Jesus is still not here and you may die waiting, Olaadegbu.

JOHN 16:13-15: "But when he, the Spirit of Truth comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own, he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. He will bring glory to me by taking from what is mine and making it know to you. All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will take from what is mine and make it known to you."

if the another comforter which is the spirit of truth was not a man with big audible voice, how is the speaker of this verse correct and not a false speaker, false prophet?

JOHN 16:7,8: "But I tell you the truth: It is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Comforter will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you. When he comes he will convict the world of guilt in regard to sin and righteousness and judgment...."

how is a voiceless unnoticed quantity gonna perform the bold, unless a man is to perform it? will the speaker not be a false prophet if a human prophet is the Comforter here, since the comforters] before him was or were humans?

^^^^ is this the test from your bibles or you just made it up, as usual?

@Olaadegbu: give me the verse if you are truthful. otherwise, i will say you are just making things up.

whats the test for a true prophet? there must be a true prophet who had lived.


if there were never going to be a true prophet, the speaker about false prophet will never have given you the test to know them.

what is sickening is the misplaced reasoning of most of the posters.

if there are is injustice against the girl, thank God she has not been killed yet and the authority
discovered the injustice and now dealing the man who wanted to do her in, should we not commend

the pakistanis or do we blame Islam for all the ills that muslims commit?

does muslim dictate the purity of Islam, or it is degree of closeness in practice of islam

that will tell us how sincere a muslim is or not in his claim of practicing Islam?

islam is against fraud. the imam if try was committing fraud. do we now blame Islam?


I am happy that I am a muslim, for there is no guidance except from God Almighty, Alone.

@frosbel and truthislight: have you guys ever heard; body and soul?


@truthislight:

by truthislight: 10:36am

Sweetnecta: @Frosbel: So the 2 equations above, you got living soul because spirit is in the body. then when spirit is not in the body you have dead body. shouldnt living body be body with spirit in it, instead of saying it is a living soul? where does the soul comes from? shouldnt the opposite of living soul be dead soul, since spirit is the only addition or subtraction with the constant body? Maybe soul is actually spirit?


where did it come from when it does exist? where does it disappear to when it is no more existing?


soul could be spirit you know.


where does the soul return to if it is not the spirit?


is soul not spirit?



what is the definition of soul? you dont know it, i am assuming because you are silent on soul.

Soul: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soul


let us call soul "LIFE"

eg, an electric bulb + electric current = "light"


when the current/voltage leaves where does the light goes to? huh

the light source is disconnected and you will see the dimming of the light until the bulb does not have any light in it. light is created when current flows. life as in living is seen as existing because the soul is in the body of the walking about man. when the soul is removed from the walking around man, the body falls flat and dies.

soul is therefore the evidential source of life in the man. the Creator of soul of man is God. the bulb on its own does not illuminate. illumination is sign that current is in it. life of man is equal to illumination of the bulb. current in the bulb is equal to soul in the body of man. bulb unlit is equal to soulless or lifeless/dead body or at best just at contact of sper.m and egg.

But soul and spirit is what we are discussing here. I am saying soul in the spiritual realm is spirit. spirit of man when it enters the body, it is now the soul of the living man. when the soul is detached, you see a lifeless body, whereas the soul is the spiritual body unseen returning to the Creator.

@Frosbel:

by frosbel(m): 12:31am

Sweetnecta: @Frosbel: So the 2 equations above, you got living soul because spirit is in the body. then when spirit is not in the body you have dead body. shouldnt living body be body with spirit in it, instead of saying it is a living soul? where does the soul comes from? shouldnt the opposite of living soul be dead soul, since spirit is the only addition or subtraction with the constant body? Maybe soul is actually spirit?


where did it come from when it does exist? where does it disappear to when it is no more existing?


soul could be spirit you know.


where does the soul return to if it is not the spirit?


is soul not spirit?



what is the definition of soul? you dont know it, i am assuming because you are silent on soul.

Soul: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soul



We are called living souls because of the breath or spirit that God has given to us.

shouldnt you be called dead soul when the breath or spirit given you is taken back? you spoke about spirit as ruach. so is soul.

soul is spirit. spirit is soul.

You ladies need to read what Lagosshia, Maclatunji presented above, if you are honestly seeking the truth to set you free. Dont close your eyes and ears and dull the mind.


@andromida:

by andromida(f): 9:36pm On Sep 03
@sweetnecta

John 14 vs 26;But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things,

tell us how the ghost taught to all things? if you realize that he didnt, then you need to find the real anther comforter who has a voice. ghost dont have voice.

and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

how quickly they forget if this refers to the disciples. maybe teacher and students are bad for each others reputation? if this verse is true and does not refer to the disciples, then the disciples must have written things he had said to them. then somebody corrupted it, wherein the corruption became the new truth. you will now need the another comforter to bring out the truth to its former glory in the life of the people who have been misled by the corrupters and their corruptions.

From the passage above the holy ghost will be sent in the name of Jesus by the father.Mohammed did not come in the name of Jesus christ.

There is no father but there is God and Jesus is no son and not more than a human prophet, son of man from his own lips. The word of God is put in the mouth of Muhammad [sa] and that is the Quran. It is God Who is Singularly and Uniquely important. Not Jesus. Not Muhammad. No other, since they are each a messenger, a prophet on a mission.

In other passages we are assured that the holy spirit will abide with us forever.

unless you are a disciple of Jesus, there is no way the verse spoke about anyone, except the 12 minus the death disciple. Or do you think the verse is not talking about that generation of followers? interesting that each of them is dead, so how is the ghost abiding with them now? Imagine the forever.

I am more than certain mohammed is not living forever.

neither is Adam, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, Aaron, etc and Jesus is not here and you definitely dont know his present condition. Yet you talk about them as if they are here. Imagine Muhammad [sa] whose book the Quran from his Lord is still in Original Language and in use daily should he be just as considered as abiding forever in the minds of believers?

Mohammed does not even know God as father.

God is not your father and you know it, unless God is from your hometown? You know whodaddy is and his nigerian wife.

Jesus is Alive.

So is Muhammad [sa] and all the martyrs in Islam.

I know you don't believe this because your book says otherwise but faith is the evidence of things not seen the hope of things to come.I know you have read the bible back and forth to pick holes and criticize but I compare scriptures in the bible to scriptures in the bible not the koran.

? You lost me. Faith, we in Islam have it. Belief we have it too. Assurance we have it also. Hope we have it, just the same.

by andromida(f): 9:51pm On Sep 03
@sweetnecta

Jesus did die for humanity and rose on the third day and is sitted at the right hand of God and no he is not coming back to die.

this is from your own desire, since you will not be able to get 3 nights and 3 days from friday evening to dawn of sunday. oh. Jonah was alive from ship to shore and in between in the belly of the whale.



@nakash:

nakash: 10:20pm On Sep 03
@sweet quoting the bible to justify muhammad as usual.

hardly. what appears in Quran, you have similar in the bible, hence i just show you the truth that remain in your Bible. if you notice, i will not quote what is not in the Quran, like trinity, ghost overshadowing marry, etc.

And they say the bible is corrupt when it does not suit their slanted religion.

how do you reconcile Jesus is God, Ghost is God [the same ghost sent as another comforter, by your argument], and Yahweh is God and you claim God is 1? Are Yahweh, Ghost and Jesus the Jesus that got hung?


@andromida:

andromida: @sweetnecta

Jesus did die for humanity and rose on the third day and is sitted at the right hand of God and no he is not coming back to die.

prove it. start by getting me 3 nights and days from friday evening to dawn of sunday. it should be easy.

@Frosbel:

by frosbel(m): 8:04am
Man's Body + spirit ( the breath of God in him ) = Living SOUL

Man's Body - spirit (the breath of God in him) = Dead Body

So the 2 equations above, you got living soul because spirit is in the body. then when spirit is not in the body you have dead body. shouldnt living body be body with spirit in it, instead of saying it is a living soul? where does the soul comes from? shouldnt the opposite of living soul be dead soul, since spirit is the only addition or subtraction with the constant body? Maybe soul is actually spirit?

The Human soul does not exist after death , period.

where did it come from when it does exist? where does it disappear to when it is no more existing?

His spirit returns to GOD.

soul could be spirit you know.

"and the dust returns to the ground it came from, and the spirit returns to God who gave it." - Ecclesiastes 12:

where does the soul return to if it is not the spirit?

Acts 7:59 While they were stoning him, Stephen prayed, "Lord Jesus, receive my spirit."

is soul not spirit?

spirit can be defined as :

pneuma: wind, spirit
Original Word: πνεῦμα, ατος, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: pneuma
Phonetic Spelling: (pnyoo'-mah)
Short Definition: wind, breath, spirit
Definition: wind, breath, spirit.

or

ruach: breath, wind, spirit
Original Word: ר֫וּחַ
Part of Speech: Noun Feminine
Transliteration: ruach
Phonetic Spelling: (roo'-akh)
Short Definition: spirit

what is the definition of soul? you dont know it, i am assuming because you are silent on soul.

Soul:

Soul can function as a synonym for spirit, mind, psyche or self;[5] scientific works, in particular, often consider 'soul' as a synonym for 'mind'.[citation needed]


Islam
Further information: Nafs

According to the Quran, Ruh (Spirit) is a command from Allah (God).

And they ask you, [O Muhammad], about the soul (Rûh). Say, "The soul (Rûh) is of the affair of my Lord. And mankind have not been given of knowledge except a little." [Quran 17:85]

Islam teaches the soul is immortal and eternal. What a person does is definitely recorded and will be judged at the utterly court of the God.


Judaism

The Hebrew terms נפש nephesh (literally "living being", רוח ruach (literally "wind", נשמה neshama (literally "breath", חיה chaya (literally "life" and יחידה yechidah (literally "singularity" are used to describe the soul or spirit. . . .


Christianity
See also: Soul in the Bible
Soul carried to Heaven by William Bouguereau

Most Christians understand the soul as an ontological reality distinct from, yet integrally connected with, the body. Its characteristics are described in moral, spiritual. . .

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soul

by druid06(m): 5:21pm
I actually have read the Quran, and while maybe saying 80% is against inifidels is an exaggeration, it's safe to say that 65-70 % is.

the word infidel is a christian word to describe the muslims. it also appear in the Bible and there is no equivalent word in Quran that mean infidel. we should ask the uneducated professor how much of the Quran speaks of God, of good deeds, belief and believers, success, mercy, forgiveness, etc since he pegged 65% minimum to infidel, a word we do not see in Quran?

don't get me started on the chapter on how to treat women,

is the professor a jew or a christian? even if he were neither but another we can see that he does not know anything about Islam and how it has elevated women.

and all of the old testament that has been rewritten to suit Islam's ideals.

whats islam's ideals and which old testament part is rewritten? just because jews say they are the only semites does not mean it is so. I am a semite and not not jewish. so are all arabs. muslims are definitely semites. i use this to illustrate that lies often taken as truth is not the absolute truth.

The Quran has no sequence, and is a mish-mash of ideas that often contradict each other.

sequence as in revelation? this is in itself a great evidence that Quran is a miracle an revelation from God. can the professor anyone who prescribe his concept about islam tell me one contradiction in the Quran.

the history of Islam, if followers really knew and understood it, is enough make anyone question the validity of their "Allah". The Muslim religion was founded on violence,

13 years in Makka; tell one violence from Muslims. or do you expect a community not to defend and repel evil by trying to stamp it out?

with no secure hope in eternity in paradise.

Surah Fajr. the last verses were says to muslims to enter paradise. what is this professor on?

Mohammed fought dirty, lied and deceived, enslaved and killed.

Muhammad [sa] suffered 13 years in Makka and had to flee the city. When did he fight dirty or lied when he is known as the truthful still by the enemies in Makka and how did he deceived, oh ignorant professor? I hope this professor is not a nigerian.

People were converted at the end of the sword or agreed to pay a heavy tax and be slaves to Muslims.

no one is forced to become muslims, the reason non muslims in the places controlled by muslims pay tax, lighter than what muslims pay. the professor defeats his own idea. Allah has confounded you, oh evil professor.

Does this sound like the kind of religion anyone should belong to?

it is the best.

people go on and on about how Christians enslaved people in North America for a long time, but they forget that it was Christians who fought to abolish slavery,

so abolishing it after christianity profited from is is a reason to rejoice? slavery is abolished because industrial revolution ushered in machinery which is more time and cost effective that manual labor of slaves.

and they also seem blind to the fact that there are still slaves to this day, all in Muslim countries. Why is that?

while christianity benefited from slavery, so did christians and muslims while Islam does not benefit from slavery. Islam calls man slave of God, not slave of man, wie christianity advances slave of man who is son of Yahweh. what an irony.

that wasnt a professor. that was a clown. a dullard.

@Olaadegbu:

by OLAADEGBU(m): 2:42pm

frosbel:

You do know that deeper life has included some of these falsehoods in their church , right ?


This is what not going to church does to a person, it turns someone into kicking against the goads.

whats a goad? is it prick according to paul that the invisible Jesus said paul was kicking against? whats a prick or goad in this case and whats moral/religious message from it?

^^^^ comedy central and the uses of cartoons.


@plappville:

by plappville(f): 2:38pm

Sweetnecta: @Plappville: Paul, Peter, etc instead of Jesus. unless Jesus was the speaker in Romans instead of Paul?


Even though it will make no sence to you, but i will still have to correct you for the good of others you may be trying to use ur logic on as a Muslim.

You must know that Paul’s writings are authorities for faith and practice to Christians, His message is from Jesus Christ spoken through Him.

does paul writing take precedence over what Jesus says? lets see Jesus as son of man, servant and slave of God. His Messenger versus paul saying Jesus is God. which is correct? Jesus couldn't have had a messenger in Paul who is unknown to him especially when Jesus had 11 remaining followers and only predicted there will be an another comforter after him. Is paul that another comforter, otherwise what role did Jesus predict the like of paul to have except wolf in sheep clothing among the followers of Jesus?

He never claimed to have possessed absolute authority inherent in his position, Paul submitted himself when he was chosed and Jesus Christ lived, worked and spoke through him.

this is so untrue considering that he was not a prophet of God, yet began to have more authority than those who saw and followed the prophet of God. unless you will argue that paul is the another comforter?

There many bible verses to prove to u, but as u will never take them to be serious, this 1 is enough.

1 Thessalonians 2:13: 13For this reason we also constantly thank God that when you received the word of God which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men, but for what it really is, the word of God, which also performs its work in you who believe.

who is that verse from; Jesus or paul? who are you defending with it; paul?

God said Jesus is His Messenger [as]. Jesus said he is Messenger of God to the children of Israel.

Paul said Jesus is messenger of God to all the world, son and God Himself.

Tell me who is incorrect: God and Jesus who said Jesus is a prophet to the house of Jacob or paul who said Jesus is prophet beyond that and even son as well God?

@Plappville:

by plappville(f): 1:54pm

Sweetnecta: ^^^^ You killed your arguments in many fronts:

You quoted Romans as if that came from Jesus.
You failed to even imitate Jesus in a simple thing like marriage which takes no big effort.

when will you ever quote Jesus instead of other folks? please refer to red lettered bible. you may just find something we both agreed to likely from Jesus instead of the other guy.



the bold made my day. Allah has made your heart speak the truth. You should know that it is your right to embrace Islam. .


What other folks are you talking about?

Paul, Peter, etc instead of Jesus. unless Jesus was the speaker in Romans instead of Paul?

^^^^ I will attend to you in a minute, woman.

@frosbel:

by frosbel(m): 11:52am

Sweetnecta:


the bold made my day. Allah has made your heart speak the truth. You should know that it is your right to embrace Islam. .


Acts 2
37 When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?”

38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.”

40 With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, “Save yourselves from this corrupt generation.” 41 Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day.

the bold is from you in response to me posting the below, also from you.

It is impossible to show these as a verse or phrase in our Bibles:


1. "Accept Christ as personal saviour" spoken in scripture

if your two quotes are arguing against each other, whose fault is it to accept such a religion? there is problem in your logic frosbel.

@pastor aio;

by Pastor AIO: 11:42am
It is easy to sit aloof on a high chair and point the finger at the Catholic Church, but the church is made of human beings. And human beings err. Even immediately after anointing Peter as the foundation of his church Jesus has cause to call him 'Satan'. Does that mean that Jesus didn't know what he was doing when he said, " on this rock I will build my church".

word for church in the language of Jesus please [aramaic or syriac]? A satan as the rock of church that Jesus will build. interesting.

Please take a closer look at the passages.

13Now when Jesus came into the district of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say that the Son of Man is?” 14And they said, “Some say John the Baptist, others say Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.” 15He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” 16Simon Peter replied, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” 17And Jesus answered him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven. 18And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rockb I will build my church, and the gates of hellc shall not prevail against it. 19I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosedd in heaven.” 20Then he strictly charged the disciples to tell no one that he was the Christ.

why the bold? one will remember that this peter guy was the satan dwelling. at the same time God is revealing the unknown to him? where is purification first? i say this story does not add up. Jesus knew who he was and his God is Ellah no Jehovah or Yahweh.

21From that time Jesus began to show his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and on the third day be raised. 22And Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him, saying, “Far be it from you, Lord!e This shall never happen to you.” 23But he turned and said to Peter, “Get behind me, Satan! You are a hindrancef to me. For you are not setting your mind on the things of God, but on the things of man.”

i already dealt with the peter the satan. but i am wondering if the bold was not 3 nights and 3 days? please let us know.

@bukatyne:

by bukatyne(f): 4:25pm On Aug 05
i've been goin through some threads now and it seems muslims have this fantasy that Muhammad is the Comforter Jesus Christ promised. I'm surprised they cling to that even when they claim the Bible is corrupted. my question is why do they believe so?

there is no fantasy, but reality unless the another comforter has not come, yet? no one fulfill the duties out lined by Jesus that the another comforter will carry out, considering that Muhammad [sa] was a cousin of Jesus [as] trough Ibrahim [as] the father of true faith and not faiths. And just because a female is corrupt does not make her not to be a woman, still since there are still elements of womanhood remaining still. Same with the Bible: God did not reveal it to any prophet, But God revealed Torah to Moses. Sabur to David [as] and Injil to Jesus [as]. Since each was successive after the former, the purity of each when the prophet that received it was alive was at its highest. Hence, when Jesus was alive what he was preaching was more pure than the Torah that was in the community before him. This was his reason that he was correcting and admonishing his people, whom he was sent. Quran is preserved during the lifetime of the Messenger [sa] and remains in the authentic form, in its original arabic.

i believe this thread ll help them clear all doubts that The Holy Spirit and Mohammed have no relationship/correlation. No bashing, pls let's state our points in a matured way. thanks

Holy spirit is synonymous with prophet of God, being "spirit from Him" in the test the spirit as see if it is from God. A prophet is a warner, a teacher, a leader from God. so your holy spirit who did not fulfill any of the roles of "another comforter" cant be what Jesus promised. I doubt if the students of Jesus would be so daft to have forgotten what Jesus taught so quickly that they needed correction on Day of Pentecost.

by bukatyne(f): 6:34pm On Aug 06
i would really appreciate it if viewers dropped their views! take care

i hope you will return to examine all about Jesus statement about another comforter giving the opinion that there must be at least one former before the another comforter. I hope you will let us examine the functions of another comforter, and just maybe 'comforter' as a whole, former and another that is after all the former. I also hope that you will appreciate the examining of prophet being teacher, etc and definitely a spirit of truth as in good spirit against non prophets claiming to be prophets, hence are false spirits.


@lepasharon:

by lepasharon(f): 11:00pm On Sep 02
no mind them..the bible says a comforter who will be with you FOREVER.Mohammed was not here forever,and he sure aint no comforter..

sisi legelege. you fall my hand, gurl. define comforter first, considering another must mean there was at least one before? Give me the name of the former and his/its functions? any record you know? After this, you may know that Moses is forever with the Jews by his Torah. Each noble people are with us in goodness in our memory. The evil tyrant pharaoh [lanatUllah] is remembered and we curse him. And I am sure you must have heard you will always be in our memory and forever with us? Muhammad [sa] is here by Quran, his Hadith, his Sunnah, his Sirah. His mission has led us to One God instead of the confused concept of 3 persons in God. We have a firm process of worship, including obedience to God. We do not make our own ways. Its Muhammad [sa] that deviates my mind from accepting what the jews still say about Mary and having a baby. It is Muhammad [sa] that I know that a person can faith/play dead, a situation that may have happened to Jesus but not death that could made him a cursed soul.

by bukatyne(f): 11:24pm On Sep 02

lepasharon: no mind them..the bible says a comforter who will be with you FOREVER.Mohammed was not here forever,and he sure aint no comforter..

thanks. i know it's true but i wonder wat makes them think that.

don't mind sisi legelege lepasharon. she has no clue of what she is saying. I am waiting for all of you ladies to provide proofs. And i will provide mine while shooting down all your trial balloons.

@andromida

by andromida(f): 10:24am
For anyone who believes in Jesus Christ we know for fact that mohammed is not our comforter.

who is therefore the 'another comforter" meaning "comforter" class is more than one entity? one comforter at least must have existed before the "another comforter" is to come. No?

We know the spirit of God has existed since the beginning of creation and since God lives forever his spirit abides with those who are willing and able to submit to his authority. Naturally there will always be those who scorn the existence of the holy spirit but should not be our concern.

whats the relevance of this to the another comforter promised? are you saying that it is the holy spirit to be another comforter? would it not be prudent and direct to say i will send another holy spirit, if it is? after all your guy paul said there are 7 spirits of God. another comforter is promised to the disciples of 12, prior to judas taking his own life. one will wonder if Jesus is unaware that judas will kill himself. one will further wonder if Jesus is not aware that his students will be quick to forget the reason the another comforter will come to correct, reteach them, provide new information Jesus never provided, praise Jesus, etc. Or did Jesus happened to have gotten it wrong, or was it the Bible scribes or you the later generations of christians or all of you or combination of the 3 groups about the another comforter? who was the previous comforter before the another comforter? give me a name.

Mohammed is not the comforter our lord Jesus promised us.

here are your problems: you will dubiously claim that your Lord God is 1. yet here you have stated that Jesus is your lord. maybe your God too? i am sure the holy spirit is your lord and maybe your God in addition. definitely you will say Jehovah Yahweh is your Lord God. But Jesus said his own Lord God is One, being the Lord God of all, especially his people, the children of Israel. But on the cross the hanging biblical Jesus, if you believe the bible while dying cried out to his God Whose name is Ellah, so much so that the crucifying Jews said he is calling Ellias. Are you not possibly wrong in this matter of Jesus being your lord and other matters, if Jesus is right?

How can he be since he is long dead and will rise like the rest of us on the last day to be judged.

so being dead negates Muhammad [sa] is your proof? who is the first comforter, who is the last comforter before the another comforter? The father of faith Abraham who is also the best friend of God is dead. Adam created by God is dead. Noah who the whole world was destroyed in his time died. Moses who God spoke to died. John who there is no sin recorded against him died. You see that your argument falls flat.

The Biblical Jesus according to your faith died, except that you said he has risen. But he is not here, being lifted up by God. Enoch did not die on earth. Elijah did not die on earth, too. You see that no argument against Muhammad [sa] just because he died?

The Quran is preserved better and unchanging compared to the Torah, Sabur, and Injil. No prophet except Muhammad [sa] built a place of worship. No prophet instructed his community of the process of faith in and worship of God that the community did not change, except Muhammad [sa]. No prophet one can say was dedicated to his mission and his community became dedicated to it trying to imitate him except Muhammad [sa]. No prophet whose story of his life is so detailed as much as Muhammad [sa]. You have almost 17 years or more unknown about Jesus, while the whole of 63 of Muhammad [sa] are on record. Everyone shall die, including the angels [as], even death shall die. We in Islam say that Jesus has not died but in his return shall die.

But praise be to the Almighty God in the name of his holy child

you have a father. definitely you have a mother. whats the relationship of your father to your mother? mine was husband and wife. whats the relation of mother of Jesus to whosoever you call his father? I think you need to read what the holy spirit to his mother to produce him. can holy spirit who got him as a son now be the another comforter he sent to the disciples?

Jesus who in his infinite wisdom

infinite wisdom when he did not know the time of the hour? he was not te most wise among bible personalities; Solomon was.

allows us to have fellowship with his spirit even here on earth.

when we look at the functions of the promised 'another comforter', we are supposed to see new information that was not on the table before. please tell me what did the holy spirit provide as new information that was not available in the time of Jesus?

we also know that the holy spirit was to correct the disciples. what were they wrong in after Jesus left and what did the holy spirit correct them with?

we also know he was to lead them to new things. what did the holy spirit lead them into that is new?

we also know he was to glorify Jesus. how did the holy spirit glorify Jesus, whose young mother even today the jews continue to make fun of?

Anything that Jesus said about the another comforter to come by announcement, you find it in surah assaffat verse 6. I believe Jesus because of Quran and what Muhammad [sa] said. What i believe about Jesus makes logical and emotional and spiritual sense. if i look at the bible, I will see contradictions about God between and within OT and NT, illogical qualities of God and then Jesus. All of these within a book that says its from God and no one else and God is not the Author of confusion. I then read where curse is heaped on those who will use their mind so that they may conclude that there is still a different Gospel; the one Jesus preached, not any about Jesus.

^^^^ You killed your arguments in many fronts:

You quoted Romans as if that came from Jesus.
You failed to even imitate Jesus in a simple thing like marriage which takes no big effort.

by Fr0sbel: 9:07am



These should be obvious, but the truth is the MAJORITY of Christians have swallowed many a lie. How simple and easy it should be for a person who reads the Bible to see the obvious traditions and practices of Christianity which HAVE NOT A SINGLE VERSE to support them.

Yet the majority of Christians willingly accept the following as "Christian". Many of these subjects are further developed in articles on this site. In order to help you think in scriptural terms, here is a short list of unscriptural practices within apostate Christianity:

"add thou not unto His Word lest He reprove thee and thou be found a liar" "that ..ye might learn not to go beyond the things which are written; ..." -1Cor 4:6

when will you ever quote Jesus instead of other folks? please refer to red lettered bible. you may just find something we both agreed to likely from Jesus instead of the other guy.

It is impossible to show these as a verse or phrase in our Bibles:


1. "Accept Christ as personal saviour" spoken in scripture

the bold made my day. Allah has made your heart speak the truth. You should know that it is your right to embrace Islam. .

^^^^ You killed your arguments in my fronts:

You quoted Romans as if that came from Jesus.
You failed to even imitate Jesus in a simple thing like marriage which takes no big effort.

by Fr0sbel: 9:07am



These should be obvious, but the truth is the MAJORITY of Christians have swallowed many a lie. How simple and easy it should be for a person who reads the Bible to see the obvious traditions and practices of Christianity which HAVE NOT A SINGLE VERSE to support them.

Yet the majority of Christians willingly accept the following as "Christian". Many of these subjects are further developed in articles on this site. In order to help you think in scriptural terms, here is a short list of unscriptural practices within apostate Christianity:

"add thou not unto His Word lest He reprove thee and thou be found a liar" "that ..ye might learn not to go beyond the things which are written; ..." -1Cor 4:6

when will you ever quote Jesus instead of other folks? please refer to red lettered bible. you may just find something we both agreed to likely from Jesus instead of the other guy.

It is impossible to show these as a verse or phrase in our Bibles:


1. "Accept Christ as personal saviour" spoken in scripture

the bold made my day. Allah has made your heart speak the truth. You should know that it is your right to embrace Islam. .

^^^ Hardly. Muslims in Nigeria and elsewhere, maybe.

There is only one prophet Muhammad [sa] and he had lived and gone because Islam is complete.

Islam is firm and not shaky. I hope you will not be delivering a saint Paul since christianity by its book is not ratified, yet?

The poverty in Nigeria is making them resorting in evil means of creativity.
It reminds one of the old wild wild west gold rush phenom in USA.

Go west young man may mean even start your own snake oil gimmick.

sisi plappville. how now. how far?