by tiarabubu: 7:28am
The joke is on you oga,

Christians may reject Islam; do we strap bombs to bomb mosques or make life of Muslims difficult in predominantly Christian countries? No

Some Christians may reject Catholicism; do we murder them like Sunnis' do the Shia's (over 20,000 shias murdered in Pakistan alone shocked Infact its called a GENOCIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!).

Rejecting a faith or a creed should not mean murdering adherents! unfortunately, some Muslims show us how;

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2012/11/201211269131968565.html


Instead of bogging us down with innuendos, FACE THE PRESENT. You guys need to clean house before turning your sights on Christianity. tongue

i am laughing, already. if youth of the religion is benchmark, we see that christianity in europe waged war against judaism. if strength is the benchmark, we see that christanity waged war against islam and judaism in spain. we also see judaism under zionist agenda is waging war against the palestinian people. if population is the benchmark, we see judaism waging war against palestinians. we see hinduism waging war against muslims in india. we see christians oppressing muslims in major pockets and parts of the world, directly or cooperating in many forms with hindus, jews to oppress my people.

while i dislike what muslims in many parts of the world are doing to other muslims and those who are not muslims, i in the same strength dislike what others are doing to musims and non muslims.

christians overran many people. apart from converting and colonizing them, they oppressed and in some way oppressing the people right now. there is no hiding it. when you travel to a foreign land and have your christian signs and books along with your guns and swords, it is obvious that you at least have your religion in what you are doing.

i dont think there is a muslim there who can abuse anyone out there by using a verse of the Quran, with someone in his community saying he is wrong. people say al the time that the father of blacks is different from the father of whites. aparthied was based on a biblical verse. jews see their destiny as superior over the muslims based on discrimination in the bible. the christians see themselves as taking the mantle as the new covenant people. and in te least as brother of jews in faith. i can see such a mindset from these two groups will make it easy for them to kill the people of ishmael the son of hagar! it is no surprise that they will support hindus who may want to partake in the oppression or less, killing.

its all in the truth.

i am sure tiarabubu forgets conveniently that jew and christian reject each other group as the final religion. and there are jews who reject other religious group of jews. the christians do the same to other christian groups, too.

the joke is going to get serious and loud and louder laughs.

the group that says stone, etc is his God does not claim that his God is 1 or that he is the highest in faith. the christians say they are the highest in faith. they say they have taken the mantle of closest to God from the jews. Yet the christians make this blasphemous statement. i am sure there are somethings that people will say that will shock tiarabubu so much so that she will open her mouth as sign of being shocked of what she heard.

she can say my mouth could not open wide enough for the shock i felt. the almost falling of the heaven is in that manner. Allah did not let the heaven fall. if tiarabubu could have opened her mouth wider about the shock, she would have done it. but the skin and tissue and muscle holding the upper and lower jaws will not let the what could have happened happen.

@Proo212:

by proo212(m): 5:50pm

when Jibril [as] said at the cave to Muhammad [sa] "IQRA" Muhammad [sa] cant pick up a book and read, cant proclaim any message or anything, but can only recite by saying what he heard. He heard Iqra and after hearing it repeated it. then he told people. He didnt add to or remove from what he heard.


According to your argument, I think what Mohammed should have said was "Recite" 3 times when Jibril to him to recite...since that is what he heard Jubril say, Jubril did not tell him anything else (If you believe the word Iqra'a means to recite).

i figure someone will think like you just did in the bold.

the first argument against it is that Jibril [sa] continued the revelation upon Muhammad [sa] saying he cant recite, since he was not a poet, he couldnt say he cant read since he knew he cant read, he couldnt say he cant proclaim since he had nothing to proclaim, by finishing the first verse the word IQRA is and continued on to add 4 other verses. Muhammad [sa] got the message that he was to recite because God opened his heart to it. Jibril further confirmed after it as he occupied the whole horizon by tell Muhammad [sa] "I am Jibril and you are a messenger of God".

other evidence against your idea is that there is no 2 words that follows each other in the Quran. none. other arguments would be that every ramadhan, Jibril would come to muhammad and both will recite to each other what is Quran at that time [a fraction of what is Quran now]. they would do this one each time to each other. There was no time Jibril says to Muhammad, the Iqra in surah Alaq is more than 1 at the beginning. In the last year of Muhammad on earth, that Ramadhan, they recited it in an unusual manner; 2 times to each other whereby Muhammad told his companion that that may be his last year on earth.


so that you know, if a muslims says, IQRA in that verse 1000 times before he continues and recite the whole verse, the people will just assume that he is repeating it and count it as just 1 time in the verse. you can repeat a word, a verse, etc in recitation. it does not matter because there is a continuation process that everyone understands when you recite.

even if your friend holds a d.sc., the truth lies in the Quran and the example is tat of the messenger [sa].

hausa or no hausa, islam is not a local religion and no local community has authority over it over another.
islam is an individual religious process of piety towards God. a person is quantified by God only based on his piety in his heart.

d.sc in Islamic study does not mean the heart is better than that of an uneducated man. after all the messenger [sa] was not educated.

@Proo212;

by proo212(m): 3:42pm
If the all knowing, all powerful God sent Angel Gabriel to Mohammed to ask him to read or recite, and Mohammed the unlettered prophet recited or read straightaway, that would have been a miracle but even after three tries of forcing Mohammed to read or recite, Mohammed still couldn't read (one of his qualities as we all know is that he was illiterate which Muslim claim makes him unique) and he didn't lie by reciting what he didn't know. He said 3 times, that he couldn't read but for the sake of argument "recite" because there was nothing to recite.

I'm struggling to see the logic....

when Jibril [as] said at the cave to Muhammad [sa] "IQRA" Muhammad [sa] cant pick up a book and read, cant proclaim any message or anything, but can only recite by saying what he heard. He heard Iqra and after hearing it repeated it. then he told people. He didnt add to or remove from what he heard.

Muhammad [sa] knew for himself that he couldnt read. That was clear enough and there was no book handed to him by Jibril. so it could not be "READ" that Jibril was meaning by the iqra. Muhammad [sa] was alone with Jibril who said Iqra. It could not mean PROCLAIM because there was nothing to proclaim.

If we look at all of the possibilities, RECITE was the correct one and the only choice at that moment for the arab illiterate [sa] who knew his arabic language, at least more than anyone alive, today.

Later, when Muhammad [sa] was told to proclaim the message, that very message was the Quran, which he would recite in his proclamation duty that God is One and He deserves all worships, in the way He ordains. Muhammad [sa] was never able to read the Quran he received, but the words he can recite and he proclaimed his prophetic office upon it. However we have today the Book that we call Quran which we did not have in his time. This is in itself a miracle fulfilled. We recite without a book, daily. We read it and recite it in Book form from the pages. We proclaim its message, even here to you now that God is One and not a Trinity, human, ghost, father, weak, wanting, incapable, etc, etc., etc.


i have heard of stories that some people memorized the Quran, without being able to identify a single letter or word. do they read the Quran or do they recite it? We in Islam under Muhammad [sa] are honest enough to say Mary is the best woman among world woman folks, Jesus is the christ, the very litmus of who is of God among those who will say they are "prophets" after Jesus, having a correcting message. somebody is here now beefing that IQRA has to be read and nothing else. What about recite which muslim do today? what about proclaim, which muslim do today in giving message? If a muslim says to me "iqra" Al Quran, i know that he want me to recite what i know from memory. if there is Quran around, i can pick it up and open and read in good recitation tone. If its at a rally or public, it is proclaiming to the audience even as i recite it by reading from the Book. What happens to its other meaning especially when there was no book to read at the time we are all discussing, now? do we decide to forget them and that will show that we are honest?

by proo212(m): 5:00pm
@Sweetnecta, please do not change the subject as you often do by writing epistles which have no bearing on the discussion. You said you trust your prophet's words. If you do, do you believe what he said about men and women's expulsion resulting in the offspring's resemblance? If someone said that to you, you would say this is ridiculous. I'm sure Muslim scientists would laugh at such a statement because the logic is flawed but I trust once they hear Mohammed said it then would believe it like yourself.

if no one spoke about the gender of children, i wouldnt raise it here. i simply responded to what you said, or your brother or sister said it. i am a father and what came out of me proves Muhammad [sa] to be speaking the truth. are you a father and how is the result? there are muslim doctors and they are quite happy with islam. the only way you could have proven Muhammad [sa] wrong is if you are God, prophet of God, like Jesus, not like your fake tb joshua. if you cant prove that God did not make man from dirt, a thing completely different from flesh and bone, etc, how can you not accept the possibility that what develops in the inside of mother as Muhammad [sa] said is 100% possible?

On another note, Abdullah bin Salam became a muslim. Good luck to him but what about his people, what did they say when they heard it because you conveniently decided not to read to the end of the hadith The Jews said, "May Allah save him from it." Then 'Abdullah bin Salam came out in front of them saying, "I testify that None has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah." Thereupon they said, "He is the evilest among us, and the son of the evilest amongst us," and continued talking badly of him. Even the Jews still did not come to Islam afterwards. That tells you something.

i know the hadith. you are not going to tell about hadith that i have read, listened to lectures, many times on. you do not know that the jews rejected Jesus, from their own blood and you are complaining about their refusal to accept Muhammad [sa], an arab, a son of Ismail they say is not a child of his father, the grandson of Hajar they say is not the wife of her husband? how smart is this idea of yours? and today, we have muslims who are jews. what do you say about that? in the time of the holy prophet [sa] they didnt say e was not a prophet. they just refused to follow him as they had refused to follow Jesus [as].

by truthman2012: 1:45pm
@sweetnecta

Your answers are off-points as they do not address the questions.

this is the biggest proof that you are exactly how everyone here describes you: not interested in truth. shameful though that you have truth as part of your moniker. heck, your truth is about to expire at the stroke of 12 midnight december 31st.

I have advised you to link up with your fellow anti-christ agents (those you place their video) possibly they will be of help.

one of the benefits on me, is that God gives me the ability to think, knowing right from wrong, even when i indulge in the wrong. i do not need anyone on earth today to tell me what is truth except what Muhammad [sa] brought. i tried christianity and with all the freebies to attract a man, i rejected it.

Let me help you a bit.

shaytan will speak the truth that he knows that the one he is telling will not move away from. he will help so that you do not do the greater good. i listen and i i know that i need to avoid you after this.

Reading is different from recitation.

true. the truth that satan will speak so that you ignore the bigger truth.

Are they the same?

no. they are not. however you can read with your eyes, read aloud or not aloud with your lips. but you can only recite with your lips.

You read only from what is written and recite from what is memorized.

here is the beginning of your disinformation. it is your lack of knowledge that made me ask you what tribe are you from, so that i can use the oral history of your people to educate you about reading and reciting/repeating. when you recite first, it can be what is not written down, but what you are just hearing. like a song, it is not written down, but you are hearing it and you are repeating it. repeating it is reciting it. or what is reciting is to you the first time you recite? do you have to commit it to memory first, before you recite it the first time or it is reciting it the first time and often and or reading [if you can read] it that will make you be able to memorize it? some people are singers who can read a song. they can be song writer without being able to write or read songs. somebody will write down what they say.

Mohammed was not commanded to recite but to read.

he [sa] was commanded to recite. unless you have knowledge of what iqra means, that it does not mean recite, then you failed and you are a person to be ignored because you are disputing the truth, ignorantly.

Isn't it?

no.

My questions are clear.

your questions will earn you fs with me if i were your lecturer. if you are in my employment right now, you have lost your job because i will want to get rid of your type.

Mohammed was commanded to read what?

since there was no book there, it is logical that you are not teaching an illiterate to read but to recite by repeating what you are saying. some people.

Gabriel had not said anything yet nor came with any written documents.

was Gabriel saying Iqra? Yes. what is the meaning of Iqra but recite as in repeat, proclaim as in tell people, read as in written down so that you can recite it, again and again, to commit it to memory.

Read what?

nothing. but recite what is being said as in repeat.

Mohammed himself was surprised at the command and he asked 'what can I read'? Why? Because there was nothing to read.

is there anything to recite as in repeat [after me]? yes. there was something to repeat; what Gabriel was saying and Muhammad [sa] was hearing it.

What a liar is Gabriel and his sender commanding illiterate Mohammed to read when there was nothing to read.

Gabriel [as] who says recite and at the end Muhammad says "recite" is not a liar since there was no book and neither Muhammad nor Gabriel had different meaning of what Gabriel uttered. you sir are the anti truth. it is a shame that you have the word truth in your name. i know you are liar based on my experience of dealing with your kind.

The Bible says Satan is a liar and the father of all liars (John 8:44).

let me list satan for you. in your Bible, Jesus said to Peter, "get behind me, satan". the same peter that is your rock. you have built your spirituality on what has its bed"rock" in satan handwork. also, i do not have to remind you who the liar is; Paul who lied for the Glory of God. will the real God needs a liar when another comforter is on the way? no. Alhamdulillah that God made Muhammad [sa] correct all spiritual faults.

Gabriel came introducing islam with lie and violence.

look into your ot and nt to see what violence and lie really are.

He strangled Mohammed thrice for no offence.

so you think if an angel strangles a man the man will not have bruises on the "NECK"?

What can be more violent than that?

satan taking a person on the cliff is.

If he could torture Mohammed who he wanted to use to carry out his deception, who could he not deal with.

how about telling a person on the cliff to fall? how about killing a God? or you think those who killed your God are not satans? i want to read what you will do here. hopefully, you will defend the killers of your God as angels instead of satans. either way, you lose. i have an opinion that you will not answer, but turn bind eyes, once again.

No wonder the killings being carried out by muslims throughout the world.

including israel, America and others? How about Aluu?

When Gabriel is blood-thirsty, he has the muslims he uses to supply blood.

since Gabriel is not part of the Bible, tell me what killed the first borns of humans and animals in Egypt?

All muslim nations are never at peace.

we in Islam knows there is no muslim nation. there are nations where muslims are majority. even 100% of the population. But when they vie away from the Quran and Sunnah, we dont say they are muslim countries.

The Bible says there is no peace with the wicked.

read the fights between nigerians on this board. it s about tribes, for the most part and i have seen when igbo and yoruba fight. the fighters are almost always christians. now tell me where is the peace in christianity?

Gabriel is a violent spirit

he couldnt top the spirit that conduct the killing fields in ot. i hope you will address the nature of that spirit.

and this is why muslims are violent beings.

inshaAllah, i ma working on some christians to accept Islam. my effort, may Allah make it a success. Amin.

Their religion was introduced with violence and once they are possessed with the spirit of islam (demon Gabriel), they become wild, violent.

nigerian civil war; ojukwu and gowon. both christians. the first coup. christians. even awolowo and azikwe,both christians cant agree. awolowo and akintola, both christians cant agree. tell me what i dont know, already.

george bush; crusade against islam. imam hanza yusuf is the one who told him to change it because we in islam knows what crusade is. you want me to remind you of blood thirst that plagues you? i thought you said you have been here on earth for sometime? and you are letting me to remind you of world history? i believe your christianity is the culprit of this amnesia you are displaying.

The more a muslim read Gabriel's message (quran), the more wicked he becomes. Every alfa I know looks wicked, ready to kill.

i wonder if adeboye, etc, joshua who only sees evil are muslims? where do you live mehn so that somebody will tell you to go to your local pastor and see wicked soul. this summer one of your big pastors divorced his wife and put the ex on public display. there is something called dont kiss your wife and tell. come on.

Please note that Mohammed's Gabriel was not the same with Mary's Gabriel.

that Gabriel told her that holy spirit God is coming to mount her. i know. our Gabriel does not announce se.x. Our Lord does not mount anyone.

That of Mohammed was a wicked and violent spirit from Satan while that of Mary was a gentle spirit from God as he didn't punish her before he delivered his message.

was the satan that enter Peter, took Jesus on the cliff, etc the same?

Besides their messages are not the same.

after you bastardize the message, how can the message be the same? you cant make up your mind what God is between being 1 and 3. you cant even define Jesus, a human prophet or a God that is mark for dead?


This is my last response to you. InshaAllah. I see you as one who denies faith. May Allah protect all from the likes of you. Amin.

@dexmond;

by dexmond: 5:50pm On Dec 17
^^^^

You are denying your scholars who spent most of their lives studying Islam. I may well advise you to stop listening to your all your Alfas because if they study hard like those I quoted above, they will surely end up telling you the same. The main point is that Islam teaches and encourages violence, you can not pick what to believe as allah will not accept anything but total submission from you. What are you going to teach your kids, love or hate?

i think that you should know that people on total submission will differ, sometimes and on something. when you differ, to know the truth you God back to Allah [His Word is the Quran] and His Prophet [sa] [His Hadith [what is truly hadith], his sunnah [what is really is action]]. So if you have a Ph. D. in Islam, you can never qualify in Islam better than Muhammad [sa] walking, talking, living, breathing Quran. What do you think Islam is except what Muhammad [sa] was given. I follow a believer when he follows Muhammad [sa]. I will not follow him on anything he is not following Muhammad [sa] on. Muhammad is the gate to paradise, if you follow the path his Lord gave him. True believer with sound scholarship is like a troop leader in military column, marching on the path towards the gate. The one who is leading you to another path or ignoring the arrow pointing towards the gate should have the khaki wearer not following him. They must tell him, oga, you are going astray.



@plappville:

by plappville(f): 9:43am On Dec 18

Sweetnecta: @dexmond: in Islam of Muhammad [sa], the only human being you can not disagree with is Muhammad [sa].
this means the only human that can not be wrong is Muhammad [sa] when it comes to spirituality and morality.

so the 'experts' you have quoted, are just experts. people can reject or ignore or disagree with their statements, except when it grounded in what Muhammad [sa] brought, the Quran and or his pattern of behavior based on it and or his saying [what he says
agrees with the Quran].


So Mohammed was that perfect man? grin Yet He would ask The one who pen down His visions to modify them? How perfect was that? undecided

Muhammad [sa] is the perfect man. i can give you many reason, including no muslim on nl asking any christian that he wants to hold body because body no be wood. i have read so much that i know this is a market place for what Muhammad [sa] by his lord warned us all as one of the great sins. And as to your asking scribes to modify, the Quran itself answers you; Allah will protect this Revelation. Hence we in Islam, regardless of the whole world asking us to "MODIFY" it, we say no. And the anger you resorted to therefore is to make up story that the prophet [sa] asked for modification. I laugh in the language normandy.

by plappville(f): 9:49am On Dec 18

dexmond: ^^^^

You are denying your scholars who spent most of their lives studying Islam. I may well advise you to stop listening to your all your Alfas because if they study hard like those I quoted above, they will surely end up telling you the same. The main point is that Islam teaches and encourages violence, you can not pick what to believe as allah will not accept anything but total submission from you. What are you going to teach your kids, love or hate?


They call it "Holy war" hahaha...allah truely like blood grin
My broda thank you, there are the true color of Islam.
Even if some try to pretend, the book has all evidence of the above writeup.

are there holy warriors among the chrstians? if there are, plappville is not one of them and she will say they are fakes. But she believes in holy ghost. We have holy prophet, holy war. I am sure that there are better scholars in christianity than Jesus, is what you are arguing. We in Islam say that Muhammad [sa] is the best among man, in spirituality, leadership, justice, mercy, etc. I will not turn my other cheek for you to hit it. That will be stupidity. And I do not want to ki.ss everything that moves. Its not every skirt I want.

by plappville(f): 9:55am On Dec 18

tintingz: Ignorant crusaders grin

Get behind me...


You can say that again....!!!
@sweetnecta, ma broda in Adam&Eve, how u dey na?
So You know better than those Islam Experts?
You dont trust them and yet trust Mohammed who was illitrate, who has no ideal of what is been penned down for Him?

i dey. i hope you and yours dey? i pray good for all of you. There is no Jesus name in my prayer. It is direct to God without stopping at some station of somebody to carry. The scholars are learning from what comes from Muhammad [sa]. i am learning about you, can i know you more than you, who know you more than your hubby who knows you more than me, or your children who knows you better because they know you and i have not seen you? Since I am not a prophet receiving revelation from God about you, you will know yourself better than me. if i were receiving true revelation from God, then there are things God knows about you that you do not know. God may tell me those things and your husband must accept the things i say about you. Do you see how prophet of God is better in revelation than those who study the same revelation?



@proo212:

by proo212(m): 5:47pm On Dec 18

Sweetnecta: @dexmond: in Islam of Muhammad [sa], the only human being you can not disagree with is Muhammad [sa].
this means the only human that can not be wrong is Muhammad [sa] when it comes to spirituality and morality.

so the 'experts' you have quoted, are just experts. people can reject or ignore or disagree with their statements, except when it grounded in what Muhammad [sa] brought, the Quran and or his pattern of behavior based on it and or his saying [what he says agrees with the Quran].


@Sweetnecta, I hereby present this saying by Allah's apostle. What do you think of it?

it is this presentation of yours that is making me responding this morning. by the way is your 212 has something to do with manhattan? i live in it.

Volume 4, Book 55, Number 546:
Narrated Anas:

When 'Abdullah bin Salam heard the arrival of the Prophet at Medina, he came to him and said, "I am going to ask you about three things which nobody knows except a prophet: What is the first portent of the Hour? What will be the first meal taken by the people of Paradise? Why does a child resemble its father, and why does it resemble its maternal uncle" Allah's Apostle said, "Gabriel has just now told me of their answers." 'Abdullah said, "He (i.e. Gabriel), from amongst all the angels, is the enemy of the Jews." Allah's Apostle said, "The first portent of the Hour will be a fire that will bring together the people from the east to the west; the first meal of the people of Paradise will be Extra-lobe (caudate lobe) of fish-liver. As for the resemblance of the child to its parents: If a man has intimate intercourse with his wife and gets discharge first, the child will resemble the father, and if the woman gets discharge first, the child will resemble her." On that 'Abdullah bin Salam said, "I testify that you are the Apostle of Allah." 'Abdullah bin Salam further said, "O Allah's Apostle! The Jews are liars, and if they should come to know about my conversion to Islam before you ask them (about me), they would tell a lie about me." The Jews came to Allah's Apostle and 'Abdullah went inside the house. Allah's Apostle asked (the Jews), "What kind of man is 'Abdullah bin Salam amongst you?" They replied, "He is the most learned person amongst us, and the best amongst us, and the son of the best amongst us." Allah's Apostle said, "What do you think if he embraces Islam (will you do as he does)?" The Jews said, "May Allah save him from it." Then 'Abdullah bin Salam came out in front of them saying, "I testify that None has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah." Thereupon they said, "He is the evilest among us, and the son of the evilest amongst us," and continued talking badly of him.

who is Abdullah bin Salam [RA], except that this jewish scholar became a muslim by the answer provided by Muhammad [sa] on child being like mother or father.

i have friends who married and fathers of children. most of those who are the dominant husbands have more sons, almost exclusively sons. those who are dominated by their wives, have more daughters, almost daughters, exclusively daughters. those who are neither dominating or being dominated have daughters and sons.

i have a friend whose ex wife is an admin judge in nyc. the woman dominated him so much that it led to their divorce. it was after the children were college graduates that she could not find any excuse to drag him to court. guess what? the children betweens them are daughters. he remarried and became the alpha male and he has a son. i have a friend who has about 9 sons and no daughters, he dominate in his relationships. my brother has 4 sons no daughters. i have sons. my sister has daughters. other sisters are daughters. what i found is that the personality and the son only fathers, their children look like them. the daughters only mothers, their children are unlike the fathers.

now, its what comes our of the male in inter.course that determines the gender of the baby. the woman egg is x always. when it is the sperm with y properties that reaches the egg first, it will penetrate it and no other sperm can penetrate the egg. such egg because of the male y which female does not have will develop to be male. if it is the x type sper.m that reaches the egg, the egg that has only x chromosome, when it penetrates it, what the egg develops to is always female. you can see it is what man carries, if its truly male that makes male babies. and when it is female, female babies occur because the x from mother is always there.

if you cant understand it in this scientifically, then if man discharges first, it will allow the Y type of sper.m to quickly swim to destination, leaving the x carrier sper.m much behind. the y sper.m will fertilize the egg and when the x sper.m finally swim to destination, there is no entry for it. If woman discharges first, the y sperm may run past the destination, while the x type of sper.m just stroll to the goal post. the goal keeper egg will say, hey my sister in x sorority, enter. then you have daughters.

i am sure if you look at personalities and resemblances of children, sons look more like dad, even in body structure, while daughters are more like mom.


are you married, mehn? do you look like mom? do your male children look like mom?


how about your children, plappville? do the boys look like you?

unfortunately, the delusion many suffer will not let them see the handwork of satan in the bibles.

the least activities of satan was house himself in peter so much so that Jesus shouted at him. in his he called him shout satan.

the satan had the gut earlier to take Jesus up the cliff, also asked him to worship him that he will give him food, says he will give him the whole world. spirit drove him to the wilderness before all of these. good spirit does not drive people, not to the wilderness.

people who closed their eyes will not see the above in the Bibles. no sir. they may think it is in the Quran. you will not see it there and you have to make up to make Quran look bad.

@paris-love; i couldnt watch this, though i live in a society where people do not care except for their own survival. but since you seem to be fixated on the jewry, here are videos that should make your day.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwp&NR=1&v=sY8dPGiOTGs





http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=th-7w1qkalg&NR=1

muslim has 2 minimum at anytime. and there are 2 shifts [the time of salatul subh and the time of salatul asr] in a day. so at the time of the shifts, 4 angels are with muslim.

by truthman2012: 12:57pm
When Gabriel appeared to Mohammed, the first command he gave him was 'read'. Mohammed as an illiterate man could not read but after a torture three times, he was forced to ask ''what can I read''. This is where the quran derived its name 'the reading.

The narration above poses some questions:

Firstly, why should an illiterate man be forced to read?

an illiterate man or educated man can be asked to recite, which means repeat. if you know the story, Jibril [as] did not appear to him and forced him [sa]. He said to him, first, 'IQRA'. this word means recite if words are said to you, proclaim if order was given to you, read if a book is given to you. Since what he got was no order yet or book, he responded 'i do not know how to recite' to mean what is it shall i recite, if you will. It is after this that Jibril embraced him which he said was a hard squeeze. then harder and harder until Jibril says Iqra bismirabbikal lladhi khalaq [meaning recite in the name of your Lord Who creates]. then 4 more verses to make 5 in the first revelation. Did Jibril get the attention of the prophet, without mincing words? Yes. Jibril was instructed to give him revelation and he did not say anthing else but just the revelation. there is no "oya". 'do it' etc.

Secondly, what was there to read as Gabriel did not come with any writing or book?

so if you knew there was no book, why do you ask the first question, above? information can also be given by speech. that what happened.

That Mohammed asked ' what can I read' shows there was nothing to read.

how is i do not know how to recite which meaning there is nothing to recite [i am not a poet, so there is no poetry to recite] is meaning what can i read? are you sure you are not being lied to by your friends?

IT MEANS GABRIEL STARTED HIS REVELATION WITH A LIE.

how you made this leap of fate to arrive here is between you and your conscience. if Muhammad [sa] thought that he was to read a book, his response would not be what can i read. it would be closer to i do not know how to read since he was an illiterate. if you turn around to argue that he had a ph. d. it would be closer to there is nothing here to read.

Thirdly, after Mohammed was tortured to read, was he able to read afterward?

forced to conclude that he was to repeat as in recitation of what he was hearing. yes. he was able to recite and thats how we have the Quran, today. by the way we still practice the recitation, exactly. listen to what was revealed in the incidence that you are talking about. its the verses 1- 5. but the whole surah is in there by my favorite reciter;


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EU5OKeFg6LI

Fourthy, the quran was revealed as recitation which Mohammed memorized, how do you read from the memory of Mohammed as Gabriel did not tell him to write it down.

Muhammad [sa] was a man of future thinking. he had scribes to start writing them down, when it became a thing that is comng regularly. its like a sudden drumming of droplets of rain on your roof. when it starts, it is not all at once. it has an interval between the sound. you may not bring out you buckets to collect this. but when this now begins to be heavy, you can bring all kinds of collectors so that you will have many means of collecting what God is allowing you as blessing.

Muhammad [sa] had at least 4 scribes to memorialize the Quran. one of them was his cousin, Ali [RA]. at some point, the Quran was a book written in patchments, etc, but was called a book already in the 2nd verse of the 2nd chapter. That is a book is saying in essence at that time a book preserved in heaven, already. so it is not a surprise now to me that writing it down in the form that i have it now is a predicted even, a prophesy fulfilled.

Fifthly, if Allah had wished quran be named 'the reading', one would have thought that Gabriel would come with the quran in written form and handed over to Mohammed to be read by people. Why wasn't it so?

it is not the reading so your proposed idea is not working here. it is the recited and every muslim knows how to recite a part. we use it to pray. and you cant pray without knowing how to recite surah fatiha. i know many people who cant read the Quran in arabic, but can recite a good portion of it.

I want the muslims to react to the questions first before I conclude that the quran is a bunch of falsehood and confusion.

now that i have barely scratched the surface of the introduction to the science of Quran, we in islam are waiting for you to expose us, just like the way you exposed our 1 God concept by you saying God is 3 parts.

Who is copying who?

if muslims say God is 1 and the christians say God is 1 in 3 forms, who is actually saying God is 1? The one who is not 100% saying God is 1 is copying the one that says plainly and simply God is 1.

When did islam come?

Islam came with Adam [sa] and the journey of maturity of this religion included it being the guidance of all the prophets and those who believed with them. when it became fully matured and stands as the only sincere way to God, it was in the hands of Muhammad [sa] and the believers [RA} under his mastership.

Which religion first existed?

Islam of Adam. even Islam of Abraham came before judaism developed as a disbelief after King Solomon was already dead. My proof; Go to your bible and see when the word jew was first used. it will refer to a tribe, then a people comprising many tribes and then the religion developed as a rallying point. that religion does not depend on Taurah, alone. it includes kabala, a magic act and other things. hristianity came much later, after the ascension of Jesus. Hinduism was earlier than judaism and christianity.

You people are funny. Where did Gabriel get the history he revealed to Mohammed wrongly and incompletely?

while Gabriel got the stories as revelation from God Almighty, even your personal hatred of the truth will not change a thing. Your brothers bear the very name you hate so much. Incomplete story, you said. Please tell me what happened to Pharaoh of Moses? Did he die or he returned back to his people and allowed his soldiers to perish in the sea? if he did die, what happened to his body? Quran has a detailed information of his life from the time he saw Moses leading the people across the sea. I wanna see if you know what incomplete is. God is the Owner of Completeness. From the story of this pharaoh we shall see the group God Almighty is favoring.

Satan had been cursed by God already.

yet you cant curse him?

He knows human curses have no effect on him as the curse of God is superior and is enough.

the man who knows how satan feels. Cursed is on satan. I curse him. I am under the protection of God because I seek it against satan. My seeking it is a guidance process and God is in charge of The process because He Orders me to do so.

He allows you muslims to curse him to deceive you

this thinking is so lame that it begs all sensibilities. Has one deceived and allows you to insult him so that you will not that he is the one that is behind any bad act that you hate?

so that you will not know he is the one behind the message brought by Gabriel, which you call the quran.

and the christians bear the name Gabriel even as you propose that he is a front for satan. What happens to the christians bearing Gabriel? Everyone, including the ignorant knows that the Jews see the el in Gabriel, Michael, Ishmael, Israel ad part of connection to God and satan has nothing to do with any of them.

Gabriel started his revelations with a lie and violence by strangling Mohammed almost to death.

so what was the lie and is hard or firm embrace the same as strangling? how do you strangle a person except by the neck? squeezing is not strangling, sir. you can not strangle a person by squeezing him.

So islam has been violent and continues with violence througout the world till date.

2 world wars and the civil war in our belonged nigeria, the leaders were christians. those who started the wars were christians. either you are with us or you are with the terrorists, since its a crusade is what exactly?

Remove islam from the world (even in Nigeria), there will be peace everywhere.

before the Islam of Muhammad [sa], the romans killed plenty of people. were the romans Muslims? i can give you plenty of wars that were between people that islam has nothing to do with it. Even in Africa as recent as the 1990s.

Wicked Devil's religion. We are knowing them by their fruits.

and your fruits are predominantly homo.sexuals, prostitution, alcoholism, lack of respect of elders, gambling, etc. blood of the innocent will not wash you clean. you committed the sin, you bear the consequences. repent before you are called to account.

let me advise you mr. truthman2012.

tbaba explained what Quran is to you. you dubiously refused to accept what the definition is among muslims.
the muslims practice the meaning of Quran, everyday.

you are neither a muslim nor an arab. how in this world created by God did you come to know the meaning of Al Quran more than muslims the world over?

if you are a nupe, how can i a non nupe man know the meaning of the word nupe more than you? if you didnt know how disingenuous your argument is, there it is. it is ridiculous that it stinks.


the arabs know the root word of QRN and in all forms it can be used. the book before it was written down was called Quran. The first verse revealed, indeed the first word is IQRA. you dont read what you are just told in oral form, but you must repeat it first as in recitation of what you heard.

Spiritual things belong to spiritual minds as carnal minds cannot comprehend them. The Bible in the book of Revelations Chapter 12 makes us to understand that there was war in heaven and eventually Satan and his supporter-angels were cast down. These cast-down angels are now called demons (evil spirits). Some of them now live in waters (rivers and ocean), some in the air, trees, etc.

i guess that if the book of revelation was not penned down by the another comforter, directly or given to the disciples by the holy ghost, then the verses of prophesy about him [another comforter] is not fulfilled in the bible.

whoever the writer of this revelation chapter 12 is, f he is not the another comforter, he is something else. he has proven that it did not end with jesus. we know that because we know it will end with the another comforter. i say the book of the another comforter is the Quran.

God created Angels with no free will, so how is there a single angel that is evil? my truthman2012, thats an assignment for you. God is the Knower of all that He created. However, God told us that Angels are created from Light. Jinn created from Smokeless fire. Man created from soil and water. While Angels do not have free will, they are not only loyal but committed in their duties to God. Man and Jinns have free will and it is the primary reason you have believers and believers among each group. every religion that man has, there is a jinn in that religion. To argue that a single angel has disobeyed is really a sign that you do not have the understanding of the nature of Angels.

You must have noticed the quran never mentioned demons.

a man, a male, a boy. whats the difference since they are all in the masculine gender? a jinn, a demon. is there a difference? no. God, Oluwa, Chineke. is there a difference? no.

Why? Because Gabriel is one of them.

Gabriel. A name i have heard many christian have. Is Gabriel different from Gabriel? Do christians bear Satan, Judas? I know many Jews who bear Judas. How are christians bearing Gabriel if its a demonic name? do people not think, any longer?

He led you into deception that there are jinns, some good some evil and that is why muslims contact jinns through arabian magic or charm. They don't see anything wrong with magic because that is the source of islam.

the enemy of Gabriel, says the Quran, is also the enemy of Michael and enemy of God and enemy of believers. No muslim who knows anything about Islam indulges in magic. In islam magicians deserve death. Allah is Sufficient to handle all affairs and solves all problems. is there anyone beside Him?

I ask you, can you be associating with jinns (demons) - God's enemy and expect to be in God's paradise? Never. The English people say the friend of my enemy is my enemy.

I read many times the christians say this or that ex muslim saw Jesus. I have asked; how did this ex muslim know what he saw was Jesus instead of Shaytan [lanatUllah] who has seduced him away from guidance? Picture of Jesus, no one has. so it is shaytan that takes people from Islam. satan has been taken them in a personality that says he is Jesus. he has been dumping them into christianity.

now, where will you find friends of satan, from the above stories of ex muslims, mr. truthman2012? when a person makes 3 to be 1 or 1 to be 3 whereby one of them is standing by while the other is being killed even as the third strengthened him, he still cried my God, my God. . . . now who is the God that the one crying is crying to? who is God between the two; the crier or the One cried to?

while i am not a shia, however, i will like to point out to you that the garbage called facebook will create account for you, if someone goes there looking for your account.

if you want to quit, facebook is shameless so much so that it continues to pester you with 'do you know so and so and other 8?'.

once your info reaches them, they will not let you go.

the shia leader may have nothing to do with the account. but time will tell, if he publicly announces his membership.

but is the big hoopla about it, anyway? maybe it is an outlet for you to poke fun at islam?

truthman2012 and his mislabeling.

is God 1? according to truthan2012, not but 3. so to him God is human; Jesus, ghost; the holy [kind of] Ghost.

he has the smart to call God a ghost, but he does not believe that there is a jinn; unseen spirit that has free will like human and will be subjected to judgment, like human.


so he believes that there are only demons, but no jinns.

@Truthman2012: whats the holy ghost?
is it a jinn or demon? if it is neither, tell us what it is, plainly.


from your bible, there are many spirits of God, please are all the same kind or different? tell us about each, its nature and tell us if it a demon, a jinn or what, exactly. or are they all ghosts? how many and how is one ghost different from the other in the group?

by truthman2012: 1:35pm

Sweetnecta: which group of people [tribe] you belong to mr. truthman2012?

if i know, i can use their story which you will be most familiar with [hoping you have heritage from that culture; stories, etc] to explain what Quran means.


This does not answer the questions raised.

i hope you are not ashamed of your people, even if you are ashamed of yourself?

never mind. you were told that Quran is what is recited. what is recitation, considering that arabs were at the pick of poetry when Quran began coming as revelation?

we must know that even Taurah of Moses was words from God to Moses, the one who heard it. Take the case of the Burning Bush where he was chosen as messenger [as] to deliver message to Pharaoh, to the children of israel. God spoke. Moses heard. God didnt write. When God spoke, Moses didnt write because he did not have a pen and paper, or did he?

coming to your tribe or mine, your pick. we both agree that our forefathers were not ph.d. holders. in fact Adam was not. yet Adam was able to communicate. in his communication, he was able without any writing tell his children what God wanted them to do. it was disobedience that led to the killing of his brother, because God rejected what Cain offered.

this was part of the first revelation of God to Adam. when it comes to Muhammad [sa] God assured him that this revelation, the Quran will be a thing that will be easy on his tongue. In other words, it will enter him and it will be retained by him.


I remember my grandmother and those who were her aunts reciting the Quran from memory. none of them went to school and no of them went to Quranic school. They learned whatever they knew from hearing the imam when he led them in salah.


about knowledge in african society. we find that traditionally, we are oral people and our history is always passed down from old people to young, by speaking, orally. Obasanjo spoke about hearing the history of the yorubas from where they came from and their arrival in nigeria's south west from his grandfather. what is grandfather did, if it were revelation, like Quran, it is recitation. it would not be a once upon a time type of story, but a story as full command in revelation so that people learn spiritual lessons.

many people still recite, orally their tribal stories.

before you have a book written down, you must have the material recited orally.


and the jews who followed Moses in guidance will be different and already dead before the jews who rejected Jesus. the christians who followed Jesus in guidance will be different and already dead before the christians who said the laws of Moses and all the prophets were already nailed to the cross.

if the jews who rejected jesus were jews in religion, then the ones who followed the guidance of Moses, like Aaron, Joshua must not be jews in religion, but believers of what Moses and Abraham, etc believed. The christians who say the laws and prophets were nailed to the cross are the christians, then the christians with Jesus who didnt believe the nailing to the cross must be believers in what Jesus believed in, the religion of Abraham where you prostrate and obey God.

you will see that christian is only a term relative and it could be relevant, just like yoruba in nigeria is not the same as yoruba in panama, brazil, cuba, etc. definitely, the yoruba who arrived in these places will not be speaking the same yoruba that the people there are speaking today. definitely the makumba they call religion there in brazil will be strange to the yoruba who were brought there, first.

@Mee234 and truthman2012;

by truthman2012: 8:51am

Mee234:
you know what the word 'al quran' means right? You have enough Arabic knowledge to that the word mean compilation of books or something in that region. The way Islamic apologists try to make Arabic word mean what they are not especially when talking to non Arab speaking persons is a bad thing.

if it is your belief that we are all lying, tell me which comes first speech of the professor and your writing his teaching down in a lecture? i have seen many people who hardly take down notes in lectures. for example most public lectures today are listened to by the audience. songs are committed to memory today and can rival the original singers. imagine how easy God can make it possible for the brain of believers to absorb what is spiritual word, The Quran? The chain of recitation among men is unbroken to the source, Muhammad [sa], the receiver. what is profound is that God says he will protect this particular Word. is your argument that Quran is not what is recited? what do you think Quran is, then? give us the definition of Qirat, Iqra, Al Qari, AL Quran.

I wonder if it was not a thing to be recited what is it and why are we reciting it? The most noble in honesty is the one who was told to tell something against himself, against his family, against his tribe, against his nation, against his people that he told it as he was exactly told, in words, exactly. it is very easy to have hidden what was revealed to him in secret. After all, the enemies of Islam always say that no one saw Gabriel. Since Muhammad [sa] did not lie about Moses [as] Pharaoh, regardless of his paternal grandmother [Hagar] being an egyptian, did not down grade Mary the mother of Jesus but elevated her as he was commanded as the best woman, saying Jesus is the christ, instead of not saying it, I say Muhammad [sa] is okay by me. God says Muhammad [sa] is okay, who am i to say no? Further, all the arguments put forward in the Quran are extremely logical and easy and complex minds to absorb.

Thanks, Mee.

I defined quran as a message of Satan delivered by demon Gabriel. How do I know? Demon Gabriel came to re-establish the denial of Jesus as the Son of God as done by the Pharicees and Saducees. That Jesus called Himself Son of God was the reason they killed Him. The quran is a continuation of the persecution of Jesus.

which satan give a message and says to the receiver please curse me when you recite this message? all who recites it till the end of time must curse me?

how many satan are there? the one i know is cursed by Muslims.

the one you know is blessed by you?

in Islam we are told to seek refuge of Allah against the accursed satan.

what are you told in your Bible, since we in islam are definitely the opposite of you? do you praise satan or you are copying us to curse satan? please post how you praise the accused satan, except that you will be copying Islam in this case.

@paris-love;

by Paris-Love: 11:57pm On Dec 17
Comments from readers; David Dowse 8:49 AM | Reply

So. Ok.

We have it on record now (again) that the PA's highest religious authority is citing his own "religious" texts, and proclaiming their verity - put simply (again), he is calling for Genocide. He quotes Bukhari. He quotes Muslim.
He says it is their destiny to kill Jews.

Shall we finally take him at his word, or shall we sink back into a relativistic stupor?(again).
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The Jewish people are a RACE of people. Imagine, for the sake of argument, if we heard, day in and day out, some religiious authority in the USA calling for the killing of Jews, naming them descendants of apes and pigs, and sanctioning the killing of this race of people.

We would not allow it, of course, because it is calling - outright - for genocide.

Imagine substituting the word, "Jew" for, forgive me, "Nigger". The noble Black Race of America would never stand for it, and "persons" such as the clown in the (curiously) Hurdy-Gurdy-Hat, would be hauled before a court for hate crimes and thrown in jail, and rightly so.

How is it that we continue to fund the PA? How is it that the American taxpayer funds the purchase of hats for the Religious Hurdy-Gurdy man? How is it that we, all of us Americans, are not outraged?!(again).
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I stand with Israel and the Jews.

I stand with the United States.

I stand against Fascism, Supremacy and Genocidal Hurdy-Gurdy men.
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I stand for Liberty, Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Conscience, protection of ones' Person and protection of one's Property.
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Anyone who seeks to deprive me or my Jewish bretheren of the above is my enemy

let me recommend the jewish professor Ilan Pappe videos to you. you need to know about the agenda of zionism and the agreement of the powerful nations on it by being quite and using kid glove's approach on them. But God is above all and the end and the decision at the end are His. evil will not succeed. no sir. if you think it is succeeding, it will be temporary. the everlasting success belong.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMcWLyUGZHU

watch his series. i ave given you the window and its your choice to ignore or investigate.





watch benjamin netayanhu as he was netay below. the deceiver can not deceive God.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lixYEZ9M_dU

which group of people [tribe] you belong to mr. truthman2012?

if i know, i can use their story which you will be most familiar with [hoping you have heritage from that culture; stories, etc] to explain what Quran means.

olaadegbu, you should be ashamed, sir.

if Yahweh is a good father, he will not throw his son to the wolves, according to you.

Alhamdulillah that Allah allows me to discipline my child, protect my child and i must not prefer wayward people to my good child.

whoever holds on to yahweh, as we have seen what he allowed his son to experience, you have chosen a hand that will fail you. unless people have lied about Yahweh making Him a father and chose to not protect His elect.

if i have a faithful subordinate, i will make sure he is given the protection so that he can complete the assignment i give him. i am only a man. To say that God cant protect His elect so much so that the elect didnt complete his assignment because the bad boys killed him from the Hand of God is a lie unless the sender is not God. God will never be powerless.

Its is best to be sonless and care for all than to have a son that you cant protect, aiding hoodlums to tear him into shreds.

somebody needs to shut this sick pastor up.

does he see anything good or its his pride to be bearer of bad news?

he has good news from me: we are all going to die, pastor. someday it will be yours.

and you will have to account for all your deeds. no one will bear the burden for you.

proo212, the role of muslim is to guide himself, first.
secondly, his family.

if each 'preacher' is always 100% correct, there may be a group that will begin to worship or at least give the preacher undue title, more than just respecting him for piety, honesty, God consciousness.

everyone can make spiritual mistake. except the one [sa] who is buried in Madina. his actions are spiritual examples that we learn by.


i have a video for you mahn. its a jew who fears the worse and actually says that zionist israel is not democracy but a new german reich. the abusers are always the ones who are worse in abusing. they are more likely to be abusers.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=1VBjdxzjuyE&feature=endscreen

by truthman2012: 10:10am
@sweetnecta

You said a lot of things that make a sensible person wonder how you reason.

Everything is relative. A bad man in a good society is really a very good man in the worst society. But is he a good man, truly?

How can you say Mohammed was invisible?

the same way i can say Jesus was invisible when Moses was talking to pharaoh.

How can you say Mohammed was the Holy Spirit?

Spirit is same as Prophet in the Bible. False Spirit is false prophet. true Spirit is True Prophet who is also Spirit from God being Prophet from God. Holy Prophet therefore is Holy Prophet [sa].

How can you say Mohammed lived in the disciple of Jesus when his forefathers were not born yet?

Unless Jesus was given them incorrect prophesy, it is safe to say that he must have described Another Comforter to come. I can safely say that his telling them "he will hear God and then he will say what he hears without addition [exaggeration] or subtraction [hiding something]. . . ." there is 8 he[s] to tell this listeners what this another Comforter will do. Is any of it done by a non talking spirit? Have heard directly fro the holy spirit or read what he sad to the disciples? You have no evidence of either. if you have any idea, show us the Book the disciples wrote about the info they got. Or tell me one thing the holy spirit told you of any good that Jesus didnt say.

The Holy spirit as another Comforter was not to make people brave so that they can preach away. No sir. Read the functions and you will not find making people bold in it. Boldness will be a product of being sure. You cant be sure unless you hear fro the holy spirit of what God told him. When you make holy spirit God, you eliminate him fro being God because does not need to wait and hear from Himself before he gave Moses revelation, David revelation, Jesus revelation that he preached. Why will God now change tactics? God is not going to affirm what Jesus said but send another prophet to do so. After all God sent Jesus to affirm what Moses said. God will not come to teach new or fullest info after jesus. He will send another prophet. Thats what God did when Jesus was sent to give fuller details by Jesus upon what Moses was given. You are wasting my precious time by not being a progressive thinker. I just woke up and i found you thinking like this.

If Mohammed lived inside the disciples of Jesus, wouldn't they be fighting and fornicating about like him (a warlord, a man with insatiable se.xual urge)?

Muhammad [sa] lives inside me, now. At my age and stature, if Muhammad [sa] is not inside me, do you know how much nl freebies are possible; in and out of nigeria? please dont make me laugh, unless you are from another planet. While people are having bf and gf, Muhammad [sa] inside us is the reason we are not doing it. I dont have the luxury of saying the blood of somebody is enough and i can do anything i want. Muhammad [sa] let me have shame and while i am not an angel, i am not a friend of satan who is a cheerleader that you should on with it; Hump anything, eat anything, do anything. Moral, the best example is Muhammad [sa]. You must have heard when you push a goat so far to the wall, it will turn around and bite you? Muhammmad [sa] let me know that i can defend myself when my life is in danger. There is no turning the other cheek unless my wife is lovingly touching them. If you truthman2012 slap me on this cheek, i definitely will not volunteer that cheek. I can walk away. I can warn you. I can slap you back. I have options and my action will depend on how mild, meek, etc i feel.

What can you call holiness in the life of Mohammed, an addicted sinner?

could you give me a sin he committed and provide the story from a to z because i will catch you in a lie. Now, i am bold enough to call you a liar here. i believe that you have no shame and your truth is from satan. and perish is the support of satan.

Frankly speaking, you are not honest with yourself and I pray you don't die a liar.

if my spirituality is a lie, God put me in the worst part of hell. Amin. If not a lie and I am struggling to follow your elect, Muhammad [sa], forgive me and forgive those who are believers in Muhammad [sa], make all my people alive now and all their generations till end of mankind, Muslims. amin.


Do you have assurance in christianity to make the same supplication to God, first against yourself and then for yourself, alone without involving your people? its one thing to pretend. please note that the time you can hide is over. If you believe in Jehovah and Jesus and Holy Ghost and your God or Gods, your choice, you now have the flow to supplicate Him, them.

I am not a friend of satan but I can imagine how he looks like. Condemned to everlasting fire by God, he would never look happy and so do those who are deep in islam look.

i am happy. all the muslims i know are happy when we see one another. i have many families who are happy to entertain other muslims. Everyone loves and happy to see others for the sake of Allah. I will leave you and shaytan alone.

You talked about Mohammed being the Comforter again? When will you muslims stop trying to legitimize the prophethood of Mohammed by refering to the Bible. You people don't know what you are doing at all. You are worried that Mohammed is not a true prophet and every spiritually intelligent people know and you now seek his legitimacy from the Bible.

Surah As Saffat verse 6 indicate that Jesus delivered to his listeners that Ahmad [sa] will come. I know you ignore it in the very same manner you ignore the warning that you must not abolish the OT. heck. Paul is driving you.

I do not need the Bible for nothing. Nothing at all except to use it to argue with you. If Muhammad [sa] was not the another comforter expected, in view of the role of the another comforter, tell me who it is and provide evidence for your choice. i do know that you now human beings expect God not to be an errant entity. Yet it is God the holy ghost you are saying is listening to himself so that he can now tell humans what he heard from himself. Is there any sense in such an idea of you listening to yourself so that you can now be the messenger of yourself to your friends?

You said the Bible is corrupt and and yet you are taking from it to support Mohammed being the Comforter. You muslims are not only deceived you are confused as well.

corrupted society is a society being run with much corruption. for example they may do good project. but they over charge. they may do project that is not up to standard when they pay the money for standard quality project. they may not do the project at all but somebody keeps all or part of the money. but there is the idea of project in place. As to corrupted Bible, we read some part says God is 1. Then another part says Jesus is God. Holy Ghost is God. Jehovah is God. Now, how are they all these separate God[s] now 1 God? does it make any mathematical sense? God is not the Author of Confusion. is there a greater confusion that 3 is 1? Get me 3 houses and let me pay you the price of 1. Get me 3 paris[s] and we shall see how 3 Eiffel Towers will pass for 1. I hope when a family is exploring 1 of them, they are at the same time exploring all of the 3?

Jesus said ''the Comforter is the Holy Ghost'' (John 14:26).

is that all Jesus said and his disciples believed? Is the Another comforter a spirit of truth from God? Is Spirit prophet? Is false spirit false prophet? is true spirit from God a true prophet from God? How do you know a true prophet except what he says must come to pass? How do you know the prophet/true prophet that will come after Jesus except that he will say jesus is the christ and nothing more? Was the another comforter not the entity that God will speak to him and what he hears he shall speak to people? Was this another comforter not supposed to lead to all thing, teach people who will be believers, remind people of what jesus said, glorify Jesus, etc?

Now tell me how possible it is that the disciples of Jesus will need a reminder so quickly? i am sure their brain is not made of quick sand. what did the holy ghost you claim is the another comforter taught anyone? 1 thing he taught the disciples which Jesus never taught them. One thing Jesus didnt teach the disciples that you are taught by the holy ghost. 1 thing, among all that you were supposed to get from the another comforter.


What nature was a previous comforter? can you give us a description, a name?

Is Mohammed the Holy Ghost? Jesus said ''the Comforter is the Spirit of truth (Holy Spirit) whom the world cannot receive because they seeth him not, neither knoweth him but ye (disciple ) know him for he dwelleth with you and shall be in you (John 14:17)''.

future events are unknown, unseen to people of present unless it is described to them. The disciples knew the description, hence he was already in them, in concept. if you were not a disciple, you would not know about the another comforter, a spirit, a prophet from God. The "Holy" prophet was here later. Did you see holy before the prophet, since spirit and prophet are synonymous?

Was Mohammed invisible that the people see him not?

when Jesus was telling the disciples, yes. Did you copy that?

Did people not know and see Mohammed?

not at the time of jesus. But much much later.

Was Mohammed born at that time to dwell with Jesus disciple?

Muhammad [sa] dwell in the hearts of the disciples. The disciple never met him because what the holy prophet [as holy spirit since prophet and spirit means the same thing in the context of Another comforter] must do as in teaching, reminding etc was for later time. Look, you are still expecting Jesus to come because he said he will come just one time for the disciples, not for you according to the bible. Did he come as he promised or a single disciple is alive waiting still? when one applies common sense, it will become clear that the writer of the verse about his return, the verse about when the another comforter will arrive missed the time. The time is much much later in both, not in the time of the disciples, for such in both.

noticed that Paul waited and he perished waiting. I am certain jesus didnt lie, but liars lied on him. One thing we know is that the another comforter will come before jesus returns. We know what the another comforter must do and whatever he was expected to do must be preserved for all time. What he heard from God must be unchanged because it will guidance for all till end of time. We see that this is exactly what is the case with Muhammad [sa] and the Quran.

You and I say Jesus will come back. Now pay attention. For me, I pray that i am long gone before he arrives. You wanna hang around? You case may just turn out like the case of Paul; waiting in vain.

Seek your prophet's legitimacy elsewhere.

Quran is enough. Muhammad [sa] is The Messenger of God. What else should be added? After all, a prophet does not have honor in his town. and son of man does not have a place to lay his head.

About your video, who is that satanic-looking man (an anti-christ) telling lies from the pit of hell?

no wonder. you know how satan looks. you are the friend of satan?

My explanations above (through the help of the Holy Spirit) have debunked all his lies.

holy spirit has done a shoddy job here. You present no evidence and you cant reconcile the differences in 4 Gospels. there was a single revelation, you people managed to create 4 stories about it instead of simply writing out the revelation, and keep the narrative separate in another book to serve as explanation. Holy Ghost missed a chance to shine when he gave 2 different sets of fathers to a single child of a woman.

3. How did you know the original was tampered with? You said ''the lack of the original is the evidence''. How reasonable is this answer?

if that was my only answer, it is very reasonable. all i have to do it to give indication that it is doubtful that what you have is original. i actually asked you to provide me with an original since you are so sure you have it. but will never because in your heart you know you dont have it. since you are a protestant, a catholic will be my witness against you that what you have is fake. or do you want me to bring you a coptic or ethiopian orthodox? there are other christians i can use to prove my point.

You could not produce any evidence that original Gospel existed because you don't know the author or what it contained nor have a copy.

remember that i do not need to have it to know that it does not exist. all i have to do is to say you dont have it because it is you who needs it. dont. if it were to be available, today, i am only to believe it, in the exact same way i believe it now that it is no more available. i believe Adam was a man. is Adam here now as evidence? i believe that dinosaurs used to roam the earth. are they here now? no. but i believe they existed, in the same way i believe the Gospel of Jesus was once here, on earth as pure document, revelation of God that Jesus preached. but at some point, it began to be compromised until it actually became extinct.

You are talking of something that never existed as the original of the existing one. This is very serious. The fact that you are incorrectly trying to fault the existing one is not the same as having another original.

existing one or ones? please show me the one that is original and try to read when it came into existence, relative to when Jesus roamed Galilee.

4. With what did you compare the existing Bible before you came to the conclussion that it has been tampered with? You said ''Jeremiah let you know that OT is corrupt''.

one of the evidences. I gave others.

How? You said ''Moses wrote his own death and burial and that let you know the OT is corrupt.

thats an illustration of corruption. evidence of corruption are absurd statements about God, prophets, etc. You will agree that Jesus who you said is greater than Moses because he is God to you did not write about his own death and burial. he didnt say when he was put up to hang, how long he stayed on the tree, when he was lowered from it, who carried him to the cave, how much clothe was wrapped around him, and which cave and stone that housed him and kept him away fro grave robbers. he didnt quite get how long he stayed in the cave. please calculate 3 days and 3 nights in the earth for me there.

Your assertion here is subjective, it is just for fault finding.

please correct me with evidence. Moses couldnt have written his own burial. it does not make sense.

Moses death was recorded in the book of Deuteronomy 34 which is the last chapter and the last book of Moses. He was alive up to chapter 34:1-4. Verse 5-12 recorded his death.

so Moses didnt write verse 5-12, yet you said Moses wrote the Torah? did Moses write the whole torah or part of it or none of it? you have to make up your mind. while you are trying to do so, combine this confusion with what Jeremiah says of the pen of the scribes and know that the evidences for corruption are in many levels.

It was the practice of prophets of old to go to mountains to seek God's face. They would go and come back to the people and go again. So Moses went to mountain of Nebro and he was communicating with the people up to 34:4. When no more words were coming from him, it is logical that the people would look for him. Getting to the mountain they discovered he was not there and his body was not found and it was believed he had died and buried by God or His angel.

seeking God's face in your mind means God will be seen face to face? How is Moses communicating with the people when he was on the mountain? i am sure you do not that microphone and speakers were developed much later? God Almighty does not do manual jobs. He is never tired or needing to refresh. Did Moses write OT or not? was it revelation, all of it to Moses or a narrative about Moses, by some other people, just like the Gospel is about Jesus not Gospel revealed to Jesus?

Common sense dictates that Moses could not have stated the number of years he lived on earth after his death as in verse 7. It was the people that said it and everything afterwards which they added to Moses writings.

common sense should tell everyone that Gospel according to John was not the Gospel Jesus preached. Common sense is not always common.

I really dont know what to say about this op, except to say that he is saying that i said things i did not actually said. let me just satisfy your emotion so that you will have no case against me.

the topic is deceiving because what you began to provide is not actually about Jesus but about the Bible. thinking that the Bible is 100% word of God.

Let me let you think about some few things for a moment: does God Almighty eat food, specifically human food? according to the Bible, in the story of visitors to Abraham to announce the birth of Isaac and later the plan to destroy Sodom, yes. God and the 2 Angels ate. Does God Almighty make babies by doing things to women? according to the Bible yes, in the same event above. When God visited Sarah and did as He promised she God pregnant. You will see that "did to" in this case is the same manner Samson "did to" Delila.

When you people say God eats and have se.x, we know that it is wrong information and there is no revelation or inspiration in such statement[s].

by truthman2012: 4:28pm
@ sweetnecta

First of all, I notice that this question is being dodged by all of you and I repeat it again: the muslims say they believe in Jesus and that the Gospel was given to Him by God. Right? Then, what are the teachings of Jesus in the Gospel and where did they find it since they don't accept the existing Gospel?

the Gospel of Jesus is not the same as any of the 4 which are Gospels about Jesus. This was my statement, when i answered your questions, the very first time. I am surprised that you turned blind eye to it. people can read it, above and see is honest or dishonest between you and I.

I listed the primary teaching of Jesus to Oneness of God Who deserves all worships as He Commands and not as you wish or someone else tells you. I also said that Jesus let us know that he is a messenger of God and he was sent to the children of Israel, not to the whole world. Jesus said that the revelations before him [example Taurah of Moses which is not OT in your Bible or what the jews of today present to us as Torah] and the prophets, specifically Moses, then Injil not any of your 4 gospels or what paul penned are revelations. Jesus also announced the coming of a messenger after him whose name is Ahmad [one of the many names of Muhammad [sa]] and that whosoever worship anything apart worship solely The God, paradise is forbidden for him and he will be a dweller of hell.

You can find the above in Quran and you will find exactly same in Bible. But I said the bible is corrupted because there is addition and omission of the whole truth. It is in your Bible that you will find a way to tell me that Jesus is God, then son of God. Then there is a ghost that is also God. when you add these 2 to Yahweh/Jehovah, you will tell me God is 1.

Let me amuse you. If a man dresses up like a woman and this woman was beat up black and blue with swollen eyes and ended in hospital ward for treatment, can the man part of the woman recuperating in the hospital bed be walking around in Shagamu or Abuja? there is only one true God and whatever you add to Him are not Him. Instead, they are fakes. I do hope you understand for the last time what corruption is?

Now let's come back to your answers to my questions. In your attempt to answer the questions, you rambled and gambled a lot. Let me summarize your answers and put my own comments.

people should check my answer and let us know if i rambled and gambled. where did i gamble? lol. funny.

1. Who tampered with the Gospel? (a) You said '' it was tampered with because it has 4 versions''.

evidence of tampering is the reason i listed 4 Gospels, of different stories. I did not tell you who tampered with the Gospel of Jesus by telling you there are 4 Gospels about Jesus. I said your religious forefathers and i gave Paul as one of the tamperers.

I believe you mean Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. I am sure you know they were four different individuals. If four different people write separately on an event, do you expect them to use the same words verbatim? If four journalist cover an event, do they write the same words verbatim?

if 4 people received revelation or inspiration by The true God, God would give full details to each of them. God will not tell John something and omit it when He is inspiring Mark, Matthew, Luke. It is only John that says Jesus is God because he is word of God. there are many things that only John got them from God and others were not told. In fact when God inspired John and another to write the genealogy of Jesus, God gave the two writers different fathers/versions and did not tell the other 2 Gospel writers. All of these are the hand work of Holy ghost. so I asked if there were more than 1 holy ghosts with 4 different versions of the same story?

The fact that four people wrote the Gospel and the four said the same thing make it more credible than the writing of one person (i.e one version).

they didnt say the same thing. Show me the genealogy of Jesus from the 4 of them. Please least each of the 4 and we will see that they are not the same thing. The account at the grave site on sunday is so important that all of the 4 should be same. Show each and let us see. The narrative of the contact of paul with the invisible Jesus cant be called "revelation" or inspiration. or in your mind, it is both? and there are versions from mr. Paul. evidence.

The only time you can quarel with it is if their statements contradict one another. Here your case is struck out for want of evidence as you failed to point out any contradition in their writings.

I am a married man. no one should talk about my family life without saying that i am a spouse of somebody. if a person is talking about me and says he knows me well and in his talk about me as a member of a family, he fails to mention that I am a husband, but says I am a son of parent. If another paints a picture of me as the only child, childless and a bachelor, can we believe either of them as somebody who knows me except that both of them are pretenders?

the list of the fathers in the bloodline of Jesus should be exactly the same. but not so. instead of 4 writing the same thing here, only 2 wrote and different from each other. i think there is a memory lapse, somewhere by somebody and they painted a picture to please themselves, instead.

It is your quran that has versions with diffenrent interpretations (contradictions) on the same subject. You have Marmaduke Pickthall, Shaktar and many others interpreting arabic writings contradictorily.

interpretation is opinion or what it means to the interpreter. Quran is One and it is an oral document in Arabiya. not street Arabic, but Quran Arabiya.

(b) You talked about Paul and his epistles. What is epistle? It means 'letter'. Epistles are letters written by Paul to the churches found by him, in which he gave them advice on the faith.

thank God that you said paul founded the churches and not Jesus that founded them. Paul has became Peter. Was the advise that Paul gave revelation and inspiration? You see what i spoke about. Paul opinion and or advise cant be word of God or are they?

Epistles are letters and not another Gospel as wrongly alleged by you.

NT contains Gospels Acts and letter of Paul and others. is there a corruption somewhere in the NT? In the NT, is God 1 or 3, 3 according to John's Gospel?

You muslims too have hadiths written by many leaders of islam. These hadith writters expressed their view on islam and they are inconsistent with one another.

correct and we say some are false and or weak. will you say the same about what you have in your biblical versions?

2. Where is the original that was tampered with? You said ''you guys have buried it''.

as in hidden and or lost it. remember when i said they may not let it see the light of day. Bury it as you refer to burying Jesus when he was only put in a cave.

Where did you see the original that was buried? What is your proof there was an original that was buried?

i asked you show me from the pile of the different Bibles, which one is not corrupt? i said whichever one you pick, i know there is a christian that will pick another to say in effect that what you say is not corrupt is corrupt and what you say is corrupt is not corrupt. 2 christians, catholic and protestant will have different bibles; one with 73 books and the other 66. which one is yours, while the other [catholic is corrupt]? I have many friends who will say the 66 books Bible is corruption first class.

It shows your religion permits you lie defending it?

i have used your Bible only. when i mentioned the Quran, what i mentioned in it as Gospel of Jesus is 100% in the Bible. But you people in effort to make jesus to God, you created gospels of 4 versions about Jesus.

No surprise, satan is a liar.

woe to liar. perish the hands of evildoers.

You also talked about the 66 books in protestants Bible and 73 in catholic Bible. The catholic's case is another deception of the Devil like islam where he (Devil) succeeded in passing his message as God's message to the people. The catholic worship Mary instead of Jesus as done in the Bible.

the worship of Mary is another thing. Let me show you how wrong you are. if the catholic are wrong, you are just as wrong because both of you are worshipers of 3.

What you didnt pay attention to is that before Martin Luther of Germany created the protestanism, was he not a catholic? of course he was. Sales of indulgence as corruption is the reason he started the movement you now take as truth. Jesus was not a christian. he never worshiped like christian. he worshiped like the father of faith, Abraham. They both submitted to God.

The catholic and the muslims have some things in common possiblly because both of them are under satanic deception.

Accursed is Satan. this is simply showing you and satan that my God is The Almighty.

Islam is comfortable with catholic and that was why they borrowed the use of rosary from them.

i dont use rosary.

before the jews, the Creator had provided cure for each disease.

please watch the below before you sleep.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeW-CRYr2u0&feature=endscreen&NR=1