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Re: Dilemma : Is GOD a Trinity by ijawkid(m): 12:08am On Oct 09, 2012
matrix789: The Sonship of Jesus is HYPOSTATIC. it is not biological.
Jesus was not created because he is the Almighty God.
the truth is that Trinity is way beyound we mortals.

Hmmmm....

.So Jesus and the Father both have no beginning??

But bible says 1 was begotten while the other is the begetter......

Think of that......
Re: Dilemma : Is GOD a Trinity by matrix789: 12:11am On Oct 09, 2012
what does JOHN1:1 say?

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Re: Dilemma : Is GOD a Trinity by matrix789: 12:12am On Oct 09, 2012
anyways Trinity is a mystery.you can research all you like Jesus is the Almighty God.
It does not matter what any of us feel or think.
for me it is settled.He is the everlasting Father isa 9.

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Re: Dilemma : Is GOD a Trinity by Nobody: 12:13am On Oct 09, 2012
matrix789: what does JOHN1:1 say?


what does John 1 v14 say ?
Re: Dilemma : Is GOD a Trinity by matrix789: 12:13am On Oct 09, 2012
Besides why Did Jesus accept Worship?
when we are to worship only God?
Re: Dilemma : Is GOD a Trinity by matrix789: 12:14am On Oct 09, 2012
IF YOU UNDERSTAND GOD then HE IS NOT GOD

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Re: Dilemma : Is GOD a Trinity by IbrahimB: 12:16am On Oct 09, 2012
matrix789: With all Respect the Muslim Allah and the Christain God are two different persons.
So muslims may never understand what Trinity is?

Apparently smiley For the "Muslim Allah" says:

"Surely, they have disbelieved those who say 'God is a trinity', while there is no other god but one God.."

Qur'an 5: 73
Re: Dilemma : Is GOD a Trinity by matrix789: 12:16am On Oct 09, 2012
Mat 28:19
shows three differnet personalities yet Unified in existense and purpose.
1 John 5:7
7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.

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Re: Dilemma : Is GOD a Trinity by matrix789: 12:18am On Oct 09, 2012
that is why i say Allah and God is not the same person.
you will not and never understand
Re: Dilemma : Is GOD a Trinity by matrix789: 12:20am On Oct 09, 2012
in Hausa Language we call God Ubangiji-Allah.
so Ubangiji pre-supposes an incarnate Son(HYPOSTATIC).
but Your Allah has no son.
so just let it go
Re: Dilemma : Is GOD a Trinity by IbrahimB: 12:22am On Oct 09, 2012
matrix789: Besides why Did Jesus accept Worship?
when we are to worship only God?


The bible also has Jesus as worshipping God as well for example: falling on his face in prostration, blessing God after meals, supplicating, fasting, being baptised etc, etc.
Re: Dilemma : Is GOD a Trinity by matrix789: 12:34am On Oct 09, 2012
Jesus had dual nature.
As a man he prayed to God his Father.
His father was greater than him(because he is Man).That tells us of his humilty according to phil 2:6-7
6 who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God,
7 but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men.
but when he went back to Heaven see God the Father Testimony about Jesus.
col 1:9
9 For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily;
Heb 1:8-14
8 But to the Son He says: "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
9 You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You With the oil of gladness more than Your companions."
10 And: " You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, And the heavens are the work of Your hands.
11 They will perish, but You remain; And they will all grow old like a garment;
12 Like a cloak You will fold them up, And they will be changed. But You are the same, And Your years will not fail."
13 But to which of the angels has He ever said: "Sit at My right hand, Till I make Your enemies Your footstool"?
14 Are they not all ministering spirits sent forth to minister for those who will inherit salvation?

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Re: Dilemma : Is GOD a Trinity by matrix789: 12:51am On Oct 09, 2012
If you look at Heb 1:8-14
you will see that God is one entity.
it is God that is working all in All
IF Jesus is the same yesterday and today and forever it means he is immutable.
Heb 9:14 the Holy Spirit is immutable and eternal.
so God Almighty(Father,Son,Holy Spirit) is One God.
But because he is God our limited knowledge cannot comprehend his nature
see Isaiah 40:13-15
13 Who has directed the Spirit of the LORD, Or as His counselor has taught Him?
14 With whom did He take counsel, and who instructed Him, And taught Him in the path of justice? Who taught Him knowledge, And showed Him the way of understanding?
15 Behold, the nations are as a drop in a bucket, And are counted as the small dust on the scales; Look, He lifts up the isles as a very little thing.
who has directed the Spirit of God?
who has taught him the path of Knowledge?
Who did he take council with?
it shows that This personality is the Almighty God,because it is only God that knows all things.
so Trinity exists in the Bible.



Hb 1:8-14
8 But to the Son He says: "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
9 You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You With the oil of gladness more than Your companions."
10 And: " You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, And the heavens are the work of Your hands.
11 They will perish, but You remain; And they will all grow old like a garment;
12 Like a cloak You will fold them up, And they will be changed. But You are the same, And Your years will not fail."
13 But to which of the angels has He ever said: "Sit at My right hand, Till I make Your enemies Your footstool"?
14 Are they not all ministering spirits sent forth to minister for those who will inherit salvation?

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Re: Dilemma : Is GOD a Trinity by patostation(m): 12:53am On Oct 09, 2012
Of all so called 'christian' denominations, the Catholic Church is the lowest in the ladder of understanding Bible truths. In their elaborate cathedrals, they have what they call grotto where idol images are worshipped (infact their cathedrals are full of idols). They have a clergy class that refuse to marry but find pleasure in sexually molesting children. They burnt people on stakes for trying to find out the truth from the Bible in the days of the Spanish Inquisition. They continue to worship Mary just because God used her to bring his son into the world. They therefore call Mary the Mother of God. If God has a mother, shouldn't he have a father and grandfather and grandmother and great grandfather etc. Wouldn't God have uncles, cousins, aunties and nephews? In that case, God will no longer be God but man. What a way to debase the essence of God. Some say Catholicism is a major, reprehensible part of the world empire of false religion. I say they are the habinger of satanic confusion we have in the world today. See Revelation 18:2-5. Get out of there my people!

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Re: Dilemma : Is GOD a Trinity by ljila(f): 1:07am On Oct 09, 2012
TroGunn: Accroding to the Bible, God is not a Trinity. Neither the doctrine nor idea exists in the Bible. The idea developed after the death of Christ and the Apostles.

Genesis 1:26 And GodH430 said,H559 Let us makeH6213 manH120 in our image,H6754 after our likeness:H1823 and let them have dominionH7287 over the fishH1710 of the sea,H3220 and over the fowlH5775 of the air,H8064 and over the cattle,H929 and over allH3605 the earth,H776 and over everyH3605 creeping thingH7431 that creepethH7430 uponH5921 the earth.H776
H430
אלהים
'ĕlôhı̂ym
el-o-heem'
Plural of H433; gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates; and sometimes as a superlative: - angels, X exceeding, God (gods) (-dess, -ly), X (very) great, judges, X mighty.

Genesis 1:27 So GodH430 createdH1254 (H853) manH120 in his own image,H6754 in the imageH6754 of GodH430 createdH1254 he him; maleH2145 and femaleH5347 createdH1254 he them.

Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Matthew 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen

John 20:26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.
John 20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
John 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
John 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
Notice Jesus did not rebuke Thomas for referring to Him as God.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the[b] Word was with God, and the Word was God[/b].
John 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
John 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
John 1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
John 1:15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.
John 1:16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.
John 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.


1 John 1:1[b] That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;
1 John 1:2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto uswink[/b]
1 John 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one

1 John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

Exodus 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
Revelation 1:17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
Revelation 1:18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
Revelation 1:19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;

John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with[b] the glory which I had with thee before the world was.[/b]

The pre-incarnate Jesus:
Joshua 5:13 And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries?
Joshua 5:14 And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my lord unto his servant?
Joshua 5:15 And the captain of the LORD'S host said unto Joshua, Loose thy shoe from off thy foot; for the place whereon thou standest is holy. And Joshua did so.

Notice that Joshua was not stopped from worshipping the "Captain of the LORD"S host" by Him, because He was God. Worship of angels were forbidden and angels rebuked anyone from worshipping them, so this "Captain of the LORD"S host" could not have been an angel.
Colossians 2:18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind
Revelation 22:8 And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.
Revelation 22:9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God

Hebrews 1:13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
Hebrews 1:14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

Just a little more "external input" - This is what Jesus had to say about the founder of Jehovah's witnesses' Charles T Russell, in a divine revelation of heaven and hell that an Evangelist from Dominican republic (Rodolfo Acevedo Hernandez) says he had: "“Rodolfo, for that cursed man, all these souls are entering into hell. This man taught that God was only a God of love. The Bible says that God is a consuming fire. This man Charles Russell took the word hell from the Bible and he took out all the words sheol and Abaddon. Also, he denied the deity of Jesus Christ and also denied the deity of the Holy Spirit and he put only the Word Jehovah in the Bible. He took out Jesus and the Holy Spirit. For this cursed man, all these souls are falling into hell.” (Rev 22:18-19).

Then the Lord said: “I curse that man”
Link: http://christiscoming777./2012/07/25/testimony-of-heaven-hell-the-condition-of-todays-church-by-rodolfo-acevedo/
Read through his account and see if what he says aligns with scripture or not, afterall, the bible in 1 Corinthians 2: 15 AMP says "But the spiritual man tries all things [he examines, investigates, inquires into, questions, and discerns al things], yet is himself to be put on trial and judged by no one [he can read the meaning of everything, but no one can properly discern or appraise or get insight into him]" and sincerely ask God to help you see HIS truth, not some man's opinion or what[b] you [/b]think the bible should say! Eph 1:16 Cease not to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers;Eph 1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
Eph 1:18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,
Eph 1:19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,
Eph 1:20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
Eph 1:21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
Eph 1:22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,
Eph 1:23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.
Re: Dilemma : Is GOD a Trinity by TheOP1(m): 1:16am On Oct 09, 2012
I did like answers to the following questions:

1. Can God die?
2. Did jesus die?
3. Did jesus raise himself up?
4. Who were the jews expecting; a prophet like unto moses or Jehovah himself?
5. Why werent the Jews aware of the coming of the almighty Jehovah to the earth.
6. Before the advent of Christ were the Men of God or Prophets aware of the Triune nature of Jehovah, I mean If God doesnt change why wud the First fundermental belief change?
7. What is the meaning of the word Begotten and its implication on the nature of christ (N.B the bible also refers to him as the First born of all creation).
8. On the cross when he said " Father forgive them for they know not what they do" why didnt he say instead " I forgive You for Ye do not know what Ye are doing", If he had the authority?


9. Was the Devil aware that the man Jesus was one and the same God that banished him from heaven, If so can the devil attempt to tempt God?

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Re: Dilemma : Is GOD a Trinity by Debroslink: 1:19am On Oct 09, 2012
1 JOHN 3:16... PERCEIVE WE THE LOVE OF[b] GOD[/b] BECAUSE[b] HE[/b] LAID DOWN HIS LIFE FOR US
I THINK D VERSE ABOVE REFERS TO JESUS...

WHO FORGIVES SINS? GOD? YES CHRIST FORGIVES SINS TOO. WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU?

THE JEWS HAD A CLEARER MEANING OF JESUS BEING THE SON OF GOD...
IN JOHN 5:18... Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said God was His Father, thereby making Himself equal with God..

Christ Himself said in REVELATION 1:8... I am ALPHA and OMEGA, the Beginning and the End, says the Lord, who is, who was and who is to come, the ALMIGHTY

CHRIST WAS NEVER CREATED... ISAIAH 9:6 CALLED HIM THE EVERLASTING FATHER

PLS STOP BLASPHEMING CHRIST AND THE HOLY SPIRIT. REVERENCE THEM AS U REVERENCE THE FATHER...

THERE IS ONE TRUE GOD IN THREE PERSONS

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Re: Dilemma : Is GOD a Trinity by LCASHMAN(m): 1:21am On Oct 09, 2012
chucky234: In Gen 1 vs 26 Then God said,let US make mankind in our own image,in our likeness,so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky,over the livestock and all the wild animals,and over all the creatures that move along the ground. NIV
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God is not three person but three in one person and that's why God said in the above,let "us" make mankind in "our" own image. When God said "us" he was referring to Christ (God the son) and Holy Spirit (God the holy ghost),the Bible also confirmed that Christ is Lord.
BUT GOD IS NOT LORD. DUH! READ MATT 28:19. DIRTY
Re: Dilemma : Is GOD a Trinity by Debroslink: 1:23am On Oct 09, 2012
1 John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

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Re: Dilemma : Is GOD a Trinity by LCASHMAN(m): 1:24am On Oct 09, 2012
matrix789: Mat 28:19
shows three differnet personalities yet Unified in existense and purpose.
1 John 5:7
7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.
COMMON SENSE PEOPLE. THREE THINGS CANT BE ONE. IT IS T H R E E .THREE ORANGES PLUCKED FROM ONE TREE CANNOT BE ONE ORANGE.SIMPLE MATH. 1+1+1=3.
JOHN 17:3

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Re: Dilemma : Is GOD a Trinity by LCASHMAN(m): 1:33am On Oct 09, 2012
Debroslink: 1 JOHN 3:16... PERCEIVE WE THE LOVE OF[b] GOD[/b] BECAUSE[b] HE[/b] LAID DOWN HIS LIFE FOR US
I THINK D VERSE ABOVE REFERS TO JESUS...

WHO FORGIVES SINS? GOD? YES CHRIST FORGIVES SINS TOO. WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU?

THE JEWS HAD A CLEARER MEANING OF JESUS BEING THE SON OF GOD...
IN JOHN 5:18... Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said God was His Father, thereby making Himself equal with God..

Christ Himself said in REVELATION 1:8... I am ALPHA and OMEGA, the Beginning and the End, says the Lord, who is, who was and who is to come, the ALMIGHTY

CHRIST WAS NEVER CREATED... ISAIAH 9:6 CALLED HIM THE EVERLASTING FATHER
BUT THE BIBLE SAID THAT NO 0NE CAN SEE THE FATHER AND YET LIVES BUT PEOPLE IN THOSE DAYS SAW AND TOUCHED JESUS AND TO MAKE U THINK MO0RE LIKE A HUMAN, WHEN THE HOLY SPIRIT WAS MENTIONED IN THE BIBLE, IT EITHER APPEARD AS A "DOVE" (WHEN JESUS WAS BAPTISED),* BTW WHOSE VOICE WAS THAT THAT SAID" THIS IS MY "SON", MY BELOVED WHOM I HAVE APPROVED,LISTEN TO HIM.) AND WHEN JESUS ASSENDE TO HEAVEN, THE HOLY SPIRIT APPEARD AS A TONGUE OF FIRE(PENTECOST 33 C.E) C'MON PEOPLE READ THE BIBLE AND MEDITATE AND STOP TALKING WHAT FATHER OR PASTOR SAID IN CHURCH.AM SURE 80% OF PEOPLE REPLYIN TO THIS POST NO EVEN GET BIBLE. HOLY SPIRIT IS A FORCE , JEHOVAH IS GOD THE ALMIGHTY AND JESUS HIS SON WHO HAS A BEGINING( COLOSIANS 1:15)IS OUR MEDIATOR. " NO ONE COMES TO THE FATHER EXCEPT THROUGH ME." JESUS SAID. SO MY QUESTION IS WHICH FATHER WAS HE REFERING TO?

PLS STOP BLASPHEMING CHRIST AND THE HOLY SPIRIT. REVERENCE THEM AS U REVERENCE THE FATHER...

THERE IS ONE TRUE GOD IN THREE PERSONS


Re: Dilemma : Is GOD a Trinity by LCASHMAN(m): 1:34am On Oct 09, 2012
Debroslink: 1 JOHN 3:16... PERCEIVE WE THE LOVE OF[b] GOD[/b] BECAUSE[b] HE[/b] LAID DOWN HIS LIFE FOR US
I THINK D VERSE ABOVE REFERS TO JESUS...

WHO FORGIVES SINS? GOD? YES CHRIST FORGIVES SINS TOO. WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU?

THE JEWS HAD A CLEARER MEANING OF JESUS BEING THE SON OF GOD...
IN JOHN 5:18... Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said God was His Father, thereby making Himself equal with God..

Christ Himself said in REVELATION 1:8... I am ALPHA and OMEGA, the Beginning and the End, says the Lord, who is, who was and who is to come, the ALMIGHTY

CHRIST WAS NEVER CREATED... ISAIAH 9:6 CALLED HIM THE EVERLASTING FATHER
BUT THE BIBLE SAID THAT NO 0NE CAN SEE THE FATHER AND YET LIVES BUT PEOPLE IN THOSE DAYS SAW AND TOUCHED JESUS AND TO MAKE U THINK MO0RE LIKE A HUMAN, WHEN THE HOLY SPIRIT WAS MENTIONED IN THE BIBLE, IT EITHER APPEARD AS A "DOVE" (WHEN JESUS WAS BAPTISED),* BTW WHOSE VOICE WAS THAT THAT SAID" THIS IS MY "SON", MY BELOVED WHOM I HAVE APPROVED,LISTEN TO HIM.) AND WHEN JESUS ASSENDE TO HEAVEN, THE HOLY SPIRIT APPEARD AS A TONGUE OF FIRE(PENTECOST 33 C.E) C'MON PEOPLE READ THE BIBLE AND MEDITATE AND STOP TALKING WHAT FATHER OR PASTOR SAID IN CHURCH.AM SURE 80% OF PEOPLE REPLYIN TO THIS POST NO EVEN GET BIBLE. HOLY SPIRIT IS A FORCE , JEHOVAH IS GOD THE ALMIGHTY AND JESUS HIS SON WHO HAS A BEGINING( COLOSIANS 1:15)IS OUR MEDIATOR. " NO ONE COMES TO THE FATHER EXCEPT THROUGH ME." JESUS SAID. SO MY QUESTION IS WHICH FATHER WAS HE REFERING TO?

PLS STOP BLASPHEMING CHRIST AND THE HOLY SPIRIT. REVERENCE THEM AS U REVERENCE THE FATHER...

THERE IS ONE TRUE GOD IN THREE PERSONS


Re: Dilemma : Is GOD a Trinity by LCASHMAN(m): 1:35am On Oct 09, 2012
BUT THE BIBLE SAID THAT NO 0NE CAN SEE THE FATHER AND YET LIVES BUT PEOPLE IN THOSE DAYS SAW AND TOUCHED JESUS AND TO MAKE U THINK MORE LIKE A HUMAN, WHEN THE HOLY SPIRIT WAS MENTIONED IN THE BIBLE, IT EITHER APPEARD AS A "DOVE" (WHEN JESUS WAS BAPTISED),* BTW WHOSE VOICE WAS THAT THAT SAID" THIS IS MY "SON", MY BELOVED WHOM I HAVE APPROVED,LISTEN TO HIM.) AND WHEN JESUS ASSENDED TO HEAVEN, THE HOLY SPIRIT APPEARD AS A TONGUE OF FIRE(PENTECOST 33 C.E) C'MON PEOPLE READ THE BIBLE AND MEDITATE AND STOP TALKING WHAT FATHER OR PASTOR SAID IN CHURCH.AM SURE 80% OF PEOPLE REPLYIN TO THIS POST NO EVEN GET BIBLE. HOLY SPIRIT IS A FORCE , JEHOVAH IS GOD THE ALMIGHTY AND JESUS HIS SON WHO HAS A BEGINING( COLOSIANS 1:15)IS OUR MEDIATOR. " NO ONE COMES TO THE FATHER EXCEPT THROUGH ME." JESUS SAID. SO MY QUESTION IS WHICH FATHER WAS HE REFERING TO?

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Re: Dilemma : Is GOD a Trinity by Johnchike(m): 3:35am On Oct 09, 2012
pato station: Of all so called 'christian' denominations, the Catholic Church is the lowest in the ladder of understanding Bible truths. In their elaborate cathedrals, they have what they call grotto where idol images are worshipped (infact their cathedrals are full of idols). They have a clergy class that refuse to marry but find pleasure in sexually molesting children. They burnt people on stakes for trying to find out the truth from the Bible in the days of the Spanish Inquisition. They continue to worship Mary just because God used her to bring his son into the world. They therefore call Mary the Mother of God. If God has a mother, shouldn't he have a father and grandfather and grandmother and great grandfather etc. Wouldn't God have uncles, cousins, aunties and nephews? In that case, God will no longer be God but man. What a way to debase the essence of God. Some say Catholicism is a major, reprehensible part of the world empire of false religion. I say they are the habinger of satanic confusion we have in the world today. See Revelation 18:2-5. Get out of there my people!
you're entitled to your opinion.
Re: Dilemma : Is GOD a Trinity by gbadexy(m): 4:08am On Oct 09, 2012
frosbel: Trinitarians insist that you worship a different God if you do not have a three-person-God as they do. Therefore, by their own admission, they have a different God than Jesus did and Jesus' God was a different God than their God. Jesus' God was not a Trinity, a Triune being, a three-person-God. His God was a one-person-being, his Father alone. Will Trinitarians then confess that their God is a different God than Jesus' God?

Oddly enough, they implicitly do confess their God is a different God than Jesus' God. My God, for example, is exactly the same as Jesus' God. His God was the Father alone and my God is the Father alone. But since my God is not their three person God, Trinitarians insist that necessarily means I have a different God than they do.

But if I have a different God than Trinitarians do, then so did/does Jesus my Lord. My God is his Father alone and his God was, and is, his Father alone. They are identical.

What then does this tell you about the men who desire to persecute those who do not serve their God but rather serve the exact same God as Jesus?

Why would you want to have a different God than Jesus?

I ascend to my Father and your Father, and my God and your God.
- Jesus my Lord


Jesus has made us to be kings and priests to His God and Father.
-John


You turned to the God from idols to serve a Living and true God, and to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, that is Jesus, who rescues us from the wrath to come.
- Paul

Jesus has made his disciples to be kings and priests to who? To his God and Father. That's the God Jesus' disciples serve, the Lord's God, his Father alone, Jesus' God and Father.

Jesus served his Father alone as his only true God. He instructs his disciples that his God is their God. Yet Trinitarians claim that serving the Father alone is to have a "different God." And indeed, they will even claim that to have a different God than the Trinity means you cannot be a Christian and you will not be saved.

But Jesus had a different God than the Trinity. His God was not the Trinity but was the Father alone. Have Trinitarians then condemned Jesus for having a different God?
I don't like quoting even moderately long posts but I just had to quote this.
I have opened a thread challenging the concept of trinity before and you won't believe the incoherent jargons people where saying to support it, nothing logical!
I can still relate to the fact that Jesus is a son of God as a muslim because we believe jesus was from God's spirit according to Islam(although so was adam and eve without se.xual reproduction).
What confuses me is the holy spirit, isn't God suppose to be a spirit, is the only spirit a third different entity and with independent thought like jesus and God were, and I know that jesus has an independent thought from God and therefore a different spirit even though he is from God.
I also asked what the difference was between God's breath (as in adam and eve) and God's spirit as in Jesus and aren't all things powered by God's spirit( I assume the whole universe and angels are all from God's spirit and are extension of God's spirit including satan that is God's creature).
That seems to be the only and major difference between Islam and christianity, we believe in jesus too(albeit as a prophet) and we acknowledge his immaculate conception, we believe in the previous prophets of God and we are explicitly told to worship jesus', Abraham, Moses, Muhammad and all other prophet's God alone as worshiping anything along with God is idolatry according to Islam and is the highest sin.
Re: Dilemma : Is GOD a Trinity by gbadexy(m): 4:46am On Oct 09, 2012
Eze Promoe:
Stop fooling yourself. Jehovah is the Hebrew name for God. Just as Igbos call him Chineke and Yorubas call him Oluwa.
And as muslims call Him Allah, yet christians don't insult Chineke or Olorun but foolishly insult Allah which is the literal translation for God the creator in arabic language and is used in hausa and arabic bible to represent God.
Re: Dilemma : Is GOD a Trinity by Ubenedictus(m): 5:19am On Oct 09, 2012
ijawkid: I once told a trinitarian here on this forum that a. Follower of christ must imitate Jesus in worshipping the God Jesus himself worshipped.......

Jesus set a fine example on how we should worship and who we should worship.....

Let all trinitarians remember::::

The God of Jesus Christ should be their and is their God..........

They should be humble enough to really follow Jesus........
and all christians must obey christ wu said that he shuld b honor as his fada is. The honor given to d fada is worship, the son asked for d same honor, are u xtian gonna tell christ he doesnt deserve it? Besides my bible tell me that the father confirms that all the angels shuld worship his son. Ijawkid u are on ur own here, both fada and son must be worship and glorified.
Peace

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Re: Dilemma : Is GOD a Trinity by Ubenedictus(m): 5:26am On Oct 09, 2012
henrychubayo: The word trinity, can anyone show me where it is in the bible. Should we adopt doctrine just because others are doing so. I need to see that word in the bible plz
u want to show me where d word bible is in d bible abi? U make me laugh

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Re: Dilemma : Is GOD a Trinity by Ubenedictus(m): 5:35am On Oct 09, 2012
frosbel:

Sold by the catholic church along with Mary and other non-Christian doctrines and implemented by FORCE.

I hope you know that not only Muslims and Jews were killed for rejecting this madness, thousands of Christians who held to ONE GOD were burnt at the stake, tortured, exiled and humiliated.
hahaha! Frosbel take it easy, the catholic church didnt invade d houses of arians and modalist and ask them to accept the trinity, at nicea ae overall majority of christains made it clear that the good news handed to them identified that the father is God, the son is God and so is the holyspirit and that that same faith they recieved and profess says God is one. The borrowed the word other christians used in describing d reality, that is how the word "trinity" came about. Your history of muslims and jews are totally wrong. I cant remember d name of anybody that was killed by the catholic church becos he said he believed in one God, but i clearly remember that the protestant reformers calvin an luther were busy burning their fellow reformers for it.
Re: Dilemma : Is GOD a Trinity by Ubenedictus(m): 5:42am On Oct 09, 2012
frosbel:

But me , my soul and spirit equals to ONE Person not THREE , no ?


Trinity implies 3 Persons !
ofcus trinity implies 3 persons, humans have one being one person, animals have one being no person God is one being 3 distinct persons. I dont see nting illogical there, being is different from person. The father unoriginat and unbegotten, begat a son from all eternity and all things were created thru d son. The spirit is both of the father and son, he is lord and vivifier of life he is with us even today as an abiding sacrament(i.e reality) of divine presence. And these 3 persons are eternal.
Peace

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Re: Dilemma : Is GOD a Trinity by Ubenedictus(m): 5:45am On Oct 09, 2012
frosbel:

Okay.


Can you show me just ONE scripture where GOD , the prophets or Jesus suggested that GOD is 3.

I promise for everyone verse you bring , I will bring 20 verses from the same bible that confirm that GOD is ONE and he is the FATHER, YAHWEH, the owner and giver of LIFE , indeed there is none like him.

He loved us so much that he begat a Son with flesh and blood to save us from our sins and grant unto us eternal life.

God is LOVE.
nobody said God is 3, we said in one God there are 3 person. Learn to differentiate person from being

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Re: Dilemma : Is GOD a Trinity by Ubenedictus(m): 5:47am On Oct 09, 2012
frosbel:

God is ONE , not THREE.
wu is debating that God is one? Frosbel!!!

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