You guys should stop all these bickering! What about igbos married to yorubas? Are they divided against themselves? There is too much hate in this room and its very unhealthy for the human race.
Gracious10: You guys should stop all these bickering! What about igbos married to yorubas? Are they divided against themselves? There is too much hate in this room and its very unhealthy for the human race.
What about Ghanaians married to Nigerians, are they not from different countries? Time to move on, Nigeria is dead.
I see you as one short fat podgy woman with a set of brown dirty teeth and slimming irritating mucous running through your nose. The worse part is the ignorance that oozes out of that empty skull of yours. Did I hear you say the British that colonized the whole Nigeria failed? The same British you accused of helping Nigeria to whip your fathers a$$? Ojukwu was buried in Igbo land? Eeyah, thank Shagari that granted the coward amnesty otherwise he would have been buried in Ivory Coast. I ignore an obvious fool and move on.
Dude don't discuss international politics, when you are yet to pass WAEC. British have had many peculiar problems with igbos. They always revolt and threaten to destroy them. You'all should thank the igbos for the freedoms you enjoy now. In jamaica, igbos led revolts. In haiti, they led revolts. In USA, they led revolts. In Nigeria, they led revolts. In all these revolts, the brit pigs lost a lot of their people, and they couldn't sustain their Empire. All these things, plus other factors culminated to the abolition of slavery, independence of metu nations, and the present freedoms that you enjoy now. However the british were not ready to relinquish there influence, so they went to the dumb hausa/fulani, and promised to help them rule over the former slave nation Nigeria. In return the british get a huge chunk of the proceeds from the proposed slave inc. It wasn't working so nzeogwu tried to free you slaves and you revolted against him, in favor of the brit pigs. The pinks own you now and you wonder why. Don't get me started slave, you would not understand. You are a mere yoroslave.
ebere1712: Dude don't discuss international politics, when you are yet to pass WAEC. British have had many peculiar problems with igbos. They always revolt and threaten to destroy them. You'all should thank the igbos for the freedoms you enjoy now. In jamaica, igbos led revolts. In haiti, they led revolts. In USA, they led revolts. In Nigeria, they led revolts. In all these revolts, the brit pigs lost a lot of their people, and they couldn't sustain their Empire. All these things, plus other factors culminated to the abolition of slavery, independence of metu nations, and the present freedoms that you enjoy now. However the british were not ready to relinquish there influence, so they went to the dumb hausa/fulani, and promised to help them rule over the former slave nation Nigeria. In return the british get a huge chunk of the proceeds from the proposed slave inc. It wasn't working so nzeogwu tried to free you slaves and you revolted against him, in favor of the brit pigs. The pinks own you now and you wonder why. Don't get me started slave, you would not understand. You are a mere yoroslave.
Ojukwu died a king. With people from all over the world sending their respects and accolades. Awolowo died of self-administered rat poison, Abiola died of aboki-administered rat poison. Achebe is renowned and envied all over the world and beyond. You see these people lived very proud and accomplished lives. I hope that I can say the same for myself at some point. For a no use nincompoop like you to call them names speaks volumes of your mental state. Do yourself a favour, don't debate with your intellectual superior. You make yourself look even more foolish than you are.
ojukwu died a king from ur perspective, but if u ask someone else, they will say the opposite. achebe is renowned for mastering the queens english, but when it came time for him to use queens english to save his people, he failed woefully and the queen gave her support to aboki who can hardly string two english sentences together. so what was the use of achebe mastering the queens english? u dolts do not know what intelligence means.
btw, the face of awo is on the money u are spending. who wouldn't want that after death?
Awolowo died of self-administered rat poison, Abiola died of aboki-administered rat poison.
and oh, those are pure speculations by the way and not facts. but it is a fact that ojukwu fled the battlefield dressed in heels, skirt and a pink blouse.
To summarise: the Eastern Region did not declare a war, they voted for secession. Biafra did not consist entirely of Ojukwu and Ojukwu's wishes, he did have others with him in decision who were of different ethnicities including Ijaw and Ibibio. The war was not even meant to be as long as it was according to Nigeria, the major blunder was the saboteurs in the Niger Delta, the help from Egyptian bombers and other nationalities, and the blockade on all fronts (even from aid), if not then the supplies from Israel may have been good enough.
stop deceiving urself , the declaration of biafra was far from democratic.
there was nothing democratic about that mandate.
breaking up nigeria is not a military action , its a political one. so how can a military officer just decide to proclaim a region of a country soveriegn and declare himself head of state . only in africa.
I'm an "outsider", I am not Nigerian nor do I know much about Nigerian history/politics but can someone PLEASE answer this question for me...
I WANT AN UNBIASED ANSWER TOO....like seriously....
What was the real issue with Igbos wanting to have their own nation? (Also) How did that "want" affect any of the other ethnic groups for them to be so perplexed about it?
ebere1712: In jamaica, igbos led revolts. In haiti, they led revolts. In USA, they led revolts. In Nigeria, they led revolts. In all these revolts, the brit pigs lost a lot of their people, and they couldn't sustain their Empire. All these things, plus other factors culminated to the abolition of slavery, independence of metu nations, and the present freedoms .
*Kails*: I'm an "outsider", I am not Nigerian nor do I know much about Nigerian history/politics but can someone PLEASE answer this question for me...
I WANT AN UNBIASED ANSWER TOO....like seriously....
What was the real issue with Igbos wanting to have their own nation? (Also) How did that "want" affect any of the other ethnic groups for them to be so perplexed about it?
It's a simple question.
Some genocides in the north and the west blah, blah , blah.....igbos got all angry and GBOSA!!! War.
The thing that baffles me is that Biafra was extinct for over 40 years and Igbos are still crying for it. I mean...if Biafra comes back, will it stop all the governors from stealing?
*Kails*: I'm an "outsider", I am not Nigerian nor do I know much about Nigerian history/politics but can someone PLEASE answer this question for me...
I WANT AN UNBIASED ANSWER TOO....like seriously....
What was the real issue with Igbos wanting to have their own nation? (Also) How did that "want" affect any of the other ethnic groups for them to be so perplexed about it?
It's a simple question.
If you are an unbais observer as you claim, then i will try to educate you.
If you want to understand Nigeria politic, then you have come to the right place, and if you want to understand Nigeria history, then Google is your best friend.
Now to your questions; there is no proof that the generality of the igbos people wanted their own nation. In fact the only people that initially opposed joining Nigeria pre-independence were the hausas, they agreed to join after being convinced by the British. There had never been a referendum, plebiscite or poll to show that the igbos want their own nation. What happened was that there were massacres of igbos in the north as a result of power struggle between the ruling elites. The highest ranked military officer of igbos extraction felt he should be the ruler but was out smarted by his inferior. He took advantage of his position of being the governor of eastern Nigeria and the prevailing charged emotional atmosphere to unilaterally declare independence, and the Nigeria state naturally opposed the declaration and thus the Nigeria civil war.
Any educated person will know that you do not form a new nation is not formed by simple declaration by one person or a few individuals, if it was so African countries would have gain independence long before they did.
Then on how others are affected, a new nation would have effects on its neighbours, so the terms and boundaries of the new nations must be negotiated to avoid future conflicts. During the Nigeria civil war, other regions and tribes were attacked and occupied by biafra without warning, no body want to substitute one colonizer with another.
If you are an unbais observer as you claim, then i will try to educate you.
If you want to understand Nigeria politic, then you have come to the right place, and if you want to understand Nigeria history, then Google is your best friend.
Now to your questions; there is no proof that the generality of the igbos people wanted their own nation. In fact the only people that initially opposed joining Nigeria pre-independence were the hausas, they agreed to join after being convinced by the British. There had never been a referendum, plebiscite or poll to show that the igbos want their own nation. What happened was that there were massacres of igbos in the north as a result of power struggle between the ruling elites. The highest ranked military officer of igbos extraction felt he should be the ruler but was out smarted by his inferior. He took advantage of his position of being the governor of eastern Nigeria and the prevailing charged emotional atmosphere to unilaterally declare independence, and the Nigeria state naturally opposed the declaration and thus the Nigeria civil war.
Any educated person will know that you do not form a new nation is not formed by simple declaration by one person or a few individuals, if it was so African countries would have gain independence long before they did.
Then on how others are affected, a new nation would have effects on its neighbours, so the terms and boundaries of the new nations must be negotiated to avoid future conflicts. During the Nigeria civil war, other regions and tribes were attacked and occupied by biafra without warning, no body want to substitute one colonizer with another.
If you are an unbais observer as you claim, then i will try to educate you.
If you want to understand Nigeria politic, then you have come to the right place, and if you want to understand Nigeria history, then Google is your best friend.
Now to your questions; there is no proof that the generality of the igbos people wanted their own nation. In fact the only people that initially opposed joining Nigeria pre-independence were the hausas, they agreed to join after being convinced by the British. There had never been a referendum, plebiscite or poll to show that the igbos want their own nation. What happened was that there were massacres of igbos in the north as a result of power struggle between the ruling elites. The highest ranked military officer of igbos extraction felt he should be the ruler but was out smarted by his inferior. He took advantage of his position of being the governor of eastern Nigeria and the prevailing charged emotional atmosphere to unilaterally declare independence, and the Nigeria state naturally opposed the declaration and thus the Nigeria civil war.
Any educated person will know that you do not form a new nation is not formed by simple declaration by one person or a few individuals, if it was so African countries would have gain independence long before they did.
Then on how others are affected, a new nation would have effects on its neighbours, so the terms and boundaries of the new nations must be negotiated to avoid future conflicts. During the Nigeria civil war, other regions and tribes were attacked and occupied by biafra without warning, no body want to substitute one colonizer with another.
Yoroslaves lie, Yoroslaves are cowards, Yoroslaves are braindead. This stupidity is the result of awolorat's free kpomo education. Sometimes I wonder which one is better; kpomo education or no education.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZeELnOiHAw&feature=related This is for those trying to cover up history, biafrans fought a war of self defence against a lager interest which is the British. The British had the resources of the then Biafra as their strategic interest and backed the then Nigerian government to achieve it. More small arms rounds were used in biafra war than the second world war. That explains the extent of atrocities committed against biafrans. It is left for the actors to apologize for the atrocities they committed.
In this video British politicians described the civil war as a genocidal war against the Igbos and Britain and other countries supporting Gowon and flouting international law by allowing frequent bombing of civilians like markets and hospitals.
See how you continue fooling your self by parading your self as igbo in disguise. Who told you the food is Nigeria food? Use google or better still ask your father a question if he is old enough to tell the Biafra war history
So you will depend on the benevolence of your adversary for delivery of food donations before you can survive. Yet you delude yourself you're ready to be a nation?
A thread written by idiots for idiots! Nigeria has a lot of problems and whilst some patriotic people are trying to salvage what can be salvaged, some non-starter comes online to write inciting material to feed his hate, tribalism and ego.
Go on. Write a book about Ojukwu, make sure to insult him and his tribesmen as you so often do. You hide in the garb of religion and yet commit the worst crimes.
All this talk of voting patterns and military coup does not change the fact that this was a joint decision by the Eastern peoples to break away from Nigeria which they saw was not a safe climate for them being ruled by northerners who seemed to be okay with massacring people from eastern Nigeria. It was the backing of world powers that gave Nigeria the upper hand even when their government was not lawful. Eastern Nigeria was not prepared to be massacred, or face possibly being massacred more by the thousands, that's the "obvious" truth.
And your leaders were too dull to obtain the support of any major power, only the likes it Haiti and Tanzania saw sense in your nonsense. Even the people you call Aboki or cowards knew the value of alliances and diplomacy. Ojukwu got masters degree in history yet learnt nothing
Rossikk: Somebody Needs To Write A Book On the Foolishness Of Biafra and Ojukwu
Many of us Igbos have for too long gotten away with playing the 'wronged victim' with regard to the Biafran War. We have refused to ask ourselves some deep questions about that war, which saw 2 million Igbo lives needlessly wasted. We have allowed our Igbo leaders to go virtually scot-free after leading us to the slaughterhouse, by propagating the myth that it was ''all Nigeria's fault''.
Somebody needs to write a book detailing the several missteps and foolish decisions made by the Igbo military dictatorship led by Ojukwu, with regard to the Biafran 'war' (slaughter more like).
Some points that need to be addressed include:
1) The declaration of secession was invalid and unconstitutional, having been reached by military fiat, as opposed to measurable democratic participation.
2)The decision to secede was made without commensurate investment in weapons and weapons sources, a pre-requisite for any military conflict, particularly against a major African power supported by global powers like the USA, Britain and the (then) USSR.
3)The decision to secede was made without commensurate investment in food and agricultural production, food import sources and entry routes, thus placing the Igbos at a distinct disadvantage, and at the mercy of the Nigerian govt - 'the enemy'. In fact the foolhardiness of such lack of strategic preparation accounts for the embarrassing statements recently credited to Chinua Achebe about Awo's conduct during the war. The failure of Biafran strategic thinking is evinced by Achebe's inadvertent admission that Biafra's survival was contingent upon Awo's sense of morality or lack thereof. The unwarranted power over Igbo lives thus granted Awo by this clumsy admission of his pivotal role in the conflict ought not to be lost on Achebe. Question is, WHY should Awo have had that power over Igbo destiny? He wouldn't have, had the Igbo leadership apriori done its homework.
4)Ojukwu's claim that he declared secession out of a need to ''protect Igbo lives'' was a dishonest and disingenous rationalisation, since there was no advance of federal troops towards the south or Igbo territory in the months leading up to the declaration. The political dispute in fact centred on the alleged failure of the FG to bring to justice the perpetrators of the northern massacres of Igbos in 1966. The immediate political event preceding the secession declaration was the announcement of the 12 state creation by the FG in May 1967. This meant Ojukwu's powers became territorially limited to the much smaller East-Central State Igbo heartland, as opposed to the entire East, which he ruled in his former capacity as military governor of the Eastern Region. The day after the FG announced the 12 state solution, Ojukwu declared secession. WHAT was the connection between the 12 state announcement and Ojukwu's declaration of secession? Why should we continue to be fed the line that he seceded in order to protect Igbo lives, if, as appears to be the case, he seceded because he could not countenance himself being limited to the East-Central State courtesy of his arch-enemy, Gowon's 'machinations'??
5) Why did the Biafran leadership bank on nations like France to provide military support to her secessionist bid, knowing full well that France was a staunch ally of the United Kingdom, who supported the Nigerian federation?
Why were they so naive as to count on French support?
Why were they so naive as to discount the fact that Nigeria had military and diplomatic support from the USA as well as the Soviet Union? Meaning they couldn't take advantage of the Cold War rivalry involving those two nations?
Why were these factors NOT taken into account before taking steps that would lead to military conflict?
I SUGGEST A TITLE FOR THE BOOK:
''OJUKWU'S BIAFRA - FOOLISHNESS INCORPORATED?''
Every single point noted in the above crap is very ignorant of the fact and idiotic too. What silly unconstitutionality is the malnourished dude on about when the constitution had been suspended? What a dunce. Regional governments do not stockpile weapons. Biafra was not even allowed to country for day before being visited with war of attrition. Again, the third point is as idiotic as the second. Eastern region was not a country as to stockpile anything including food. The fourth stanza is a stream of thought that can only come from delusion. There is no country in the world where citizens can only feel safe only in the domain of their ethnic enclave. Ndigbo and Biafrans were killed in northern region at a rate which was not even safe for Ndigbo and Biafrans in the so-called Nigeria army who saved in the northern region of Nigeria. This silly idiocy prompted the leader of July 29, 1966 coup to order everybody (civilians and soldier) to go home to their respective ethnic enclave.
If you are an unbais observer as you claim, then i will try to educate you.
If you want to understand Nigeria politic, then you have come to the right place, and if you want to understand Nigeria history, then Google is your best friend.
Now to your questions; there is no proof that the generality of the igbos people wanted their own nation. In fact the only people that initially opposed joining Nigeria pre-independence were the hausas, they agreed to join after being convinced by the British. There had never been a referendum, plebiscite or poll to show that the igbos want their own nation. What happened was that there were massacres of igbos in the north as a result of power struggle between the ruling elites. The highest ranked military officer of igbos extraction felt he should be the ruler but was out smarted by his inferior. He took advantage of his position of being the governor of eastern Nigeria and the prevailing charged emotional atmosphere to unilaterally declare independence, and the Nigeria state naturally opposed the declaration and thus the Nigeria civil war.
Any educated person will know that you do not form a new nation is not formed by simple declaration by one person or a few individuals, if it was so African countries would have gain independence long before they did.
Then on how others are affected, a new nation would have effects on its neighbours, so the terms and boundaries of the new nations must be negotiated to avoid future conflicts. During the Nigeria civil war, other regions and tribes were attacked and occupied by biafra without warning, no body want to substitute one colonizer with another.
Hausa opposed the independence because they wanted British to continue the colonial system. The so-called Hausa had alleged they do not have the personnel to compete with other regions in local politics. Rightfully so, Hausa produce only one doctor as of 1950.
