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Re: An Open Letter To Nigerian Christians by mu2sa2: 3:59pm On Oct 08, 2012 |
ignis:The post is meant for people like u with biassed attitude towards islam, but you are not ready to be educated, so continue in your self-imposed ignorance. Whatever your view about Islam is wont affect islam in any way. Painting islam in the negative by Orietalists who brought christianity to Africa has been going on for centuries. But the religion of Allah cannot be stopped by d evil machination of man and jinns combined. Today in the Western countries their people are discovering Islam and converting, something that is alarming to enemies of islam hence d hyping of the negative propaganda even here on NL. On boko haram, every one knows how they had been hobnobbing with politcians and when they fell out they started using religion as a smokescreen to justify their activities. How justifiable is it to blame 1.7 billion Muslims for d actions of a few hundred renegade people? Many peoplr like u claim to follow Jesus but ar hypocrites: we know that Jesus would not approve of d attitude exihibited by u people. 3 Likes |
Re: An Open Letter To Nigerian Christians by omenziate(m): 4:06pm On Oct 08, 2012 |
But seriously a lot of muslims especially d northern ones need to b enlightened, dose barbarians can kill at d slightest provocation. All in all, a substantial amount of muslems are intolerant. It is just innate, watever causes it? Me no come sabi o. |
Re: An Open Letter To Nigerian Christians by Dopefiend(m): 4:26pm On Oct 08, 2012 |
Wow after readin dis lenthy piece nd al d posts, I went to d market nd dat G-stuff is stil expensive abi dey don bomb d manufacturers |
Re: An Open Letter To Nigerian Christians by AizekB(m): 4:26pm On Oct 08, 2012 |
As a northerner i disagree wit u i only agree with d statement in clarification 1 which says Nigeria is nt an islamic state yes b4 na islam get am n chairman let tel u sometin as a northerner any muslim dat doesnt kil is nt practicing islam. Nw tel me y is it dat no muslim is aloud 2 hold d quran unles d malam. D reason is if they alow u guys 2 hold d quran u wil no d truth n wil nt folow their acts so they are d only ones that read n interprete it 4 u. If u are doubting me log unto www.faithfreedom.org. So guy no even tink say u wan wash person 4 here abeg. Na 2day? |
Re: An Open Letter To Nigerian Christians by size38: 4:28pm On Oct 08, 2012 |
Guy, leave dis yan. We don dey hear dis kind tin for ages now. If i may ask u, why are muslims labeling those who are non muslims "infidels"? |
Re: An Open Letter To Nigerian Christians by Nobody: 4:29pm On Oct 08, 2012 |
afam4eva: The bolded is a big difference. What happened in Aluu community was evil, but that's a different story. They did not kill the youths because of their religion and did not claim to expect reward from God for their actions. It was a case of jungle justice, where supposed criminals were mobbed to death. You can't call the premeditated killing of non-muslims by muslims who truly believe they are doing God's work to the mob action in Aluu. Comparing the two is lame. There's a fundamental religious issue - a lot of muslims worldwide find it quite easy to attack non-muslims over religious reasons and they truly believe God is pleased with them when they do so. It is a case of deliberate ignorance to think it's a local Nigeria problem - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_terrorism |
Re: An Open Letter To Nigerian Christians by Afam4eva(m): 4:33pm On Oct 08, 2012 |
TroGunn:Does it really matter in whose name they kill? The most important thing is that they have killed. |
Re: An Open Letter To Nigerian Christians by Nobody: 4:34pm On Oct 08, 2012 |
As a christian, ur write-up changes my mentality expecially about those "old" quotes of the holy quaran. Nice one! 1 Like |
Re: An Open Letter To Nigerian Christians by vanstanzy(m): 4:34pm On Oct 08, 2012 |
Basic: In the name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful. May peace be upon whosoever follows guidance. U muslims should have a round table conference and put ur house in order. The terrorism perpetuated by these Muslim groups can only be solved by Muslims themselves. Till then, no manner of understanding for Islam will sink into the minds of other religions. This is the plain and simple truth. |
Re: An Open Letter To Nigerian Christians by Nobody: 4:42pm On Oct 08, 2012 |
afam4eva: Actually, it really doesn't matter fundamentally. Killing people is wrong - whether it's mob action or over a cartoon or movie or in trying to install Sharia law. Just don't expect people to believe the "Islam is a religion of peace" crap when people kill based on their understanding of Islam . No amount of propaganda will help. |
Re: An Open Letter To Nigerian Christians by Afam4eva(m): 4:44pm On Oct 08, 2012 |
TroGunn:So, what about the millions of Muslims that don't kill nobody...why don't you use them to judge the Islamic world. Why use those that do negative things to qualify all muslims. 2 Likes |
Re: An Open Letter To Nigerian Christians by Nobody: 4:58pm On Oct 08, 2012 |
Skynet247: Ur the only reasonable muslims thats is livng n nigeria...pls create a blog 4dat piece...if posible...let it be in news...that s d rest including me, d poster's parent? is lectures?? why r ppl so crazyy with there comment ogaoo.betterstill, if u dnt av anyfin good to comment then keep mute |
Re: An Open Letter To Nigerian Christians by Nobody: 4:58pm On Oct 08, 2012 |
afam4eva: Primarily because these millions have done nothing of note to show they don't support the actions of their supposed "misguided" few. Unless and until muslims protest with zeal against Islamic terrorism, which should amount to the biggest insult on Islam (much more than cartoons), no one will truly believe that muslims don't openly or covertly support religion-based violence against non-muslims. 2 Likes |
Re: An Open Letter To Nigerian Christians by freecocoa(f): 5:11pm On Oct 08, 2012 |
afam4eva:What are you even talking about? Those Aluu people are savages and I freaking don't care about their religion, if you even want to compare your muslim brothers with the people of Aluu, now tell me, how many times have you heard of violent killings in Aluu? How many people have they killed? How many hundreds of people do these muslims kill every other week? Nna hapu mu aka o, you know what I'm really angry from events of the past few days and if I keep typing it will only get worse. My argument is that no one should tell me the bad muslims are only a few, that's a blatant lie, they kill at the slightest provocation and their imams and whatever do nothing about, its been going on for ages and you come here to tell me nonsense, biko just gbado anya iwe na iwe'm. |
Re: An Open Letter To Nigerian Christians by freecocoa(f): 5:21pm On Oct 08, 2012 |
lalaosky:Rapu godi afam, at times I dey wonder ife na eme ya. |
Re: An Open Letter To Nigerian Christians by bumps(m): 5:27pm On Oct 08, 2012 |
Op u have really done well.the issue of religion goes beyond recent killing.the whole tin seems like competition,christian ve adopted blackmail as the only way/tool to over-ride islam.they re alwys pleased condeming islam instead of individual for no reason but hatred.may God continue to strenghten muslims 1 Like |
Re: An Open Letter To Nigerian Christians by yurLink: 6:42pm On Oct 08, 2012 |
stagger: OP, You just answered yourself in this post, i understand you are blinded by the anger you feel for the death of those you know, but i would like to let you know that fellow muslims were also killed in these places you mentioned,what people misunderstand as killings of non- muslims is actually a case of xenophobia rampant in the north, am a muslim but i would never feel safe in northern Nigeria for obvious reason, ask yourself why Dubai is now a world class city where every person(s) feels welcome even as Islam is their official religion, Indonesia, Malaysia, Turkey are just some of the Muslims countries where even the most liberal person feels at home, The problem as i see it is still the same whole Socio -political quagmire we have in Nigeria...Xenophobia of some northerners coupled with inherent religious difference has turned some people of the north into killers.It is sad....even sadder as people with your mindset just simply see it as a case of Muslims vs Christians |
Re: An Open Letter To Nigerian Christians by bukatyne(f): 6:42pm On Oct 08, 2012 |
seunajia: At times I just don't feel the need to clarify or say anything. Humans are inherently and incurably prejudicial.don't bet your life on what you don't know |
Re: An Open Letter To Nigerian Christians by RuthIsaac(f): 6:56pm On Oct 08, 2012 |
OP nice writeup, keep it up. But 2 b sincere n honest, a muslim girl friend of mine has once told me, dat as a muslim, if u try n Kill even jst one non-muslim, u will enter d Kingdom of Allah, dat is (Paradise awaits u whn u die) n i asked her if she can also kill me, since am not a muslim, but she laugh n said, No because we re friends she cant do dat. Now tell me, is there TWO diff type Islam n we dnt kw? So me as a person, has dis bliv dat a, Muslim can kill a non muslim any day, any time. So jst as u hv d bliv dat Islam is peaceful, dat is d same way other Muslims bliv, in killing 4 Allah. |
Re: An Open Letter To Nigerian Christians by sayitout1: 7:10pm On Oct 08, 2012 |
I appreciate all you just wrote. But I think if you had used the quality time spent in writing this to convience christian the other way round (to advise your brothers) it would have been better. Christians have never had any course to fight with the muslims but the muslims (islam) always look for a reason to fight, destroy and even kill christians. The truth is that for you to think & even go this far to write this shows that you are not meant to be islam. You may want to ask Y? Have you ever asked yourself what basis or how was islam formed or originated? The founder(s) had to fight (spill blood) to gain ground or make people accept the religion. Based on how it was founded, that was how it had to make its laws. What does ''jihad'' mean in your religion? Jesus had to preach the word of God (good news) to people to accept. He never forced it on anyone. When Jesus was betrayed, Peter as a follower tried to protect Jesus by pulling out his sword & even cutting off the ear of one of the men but Jesus was against his action. Jesus even healed the man's wounded ears. But islam encourages that anyone who talks negative about their prophet should be killed. Y? Its only someone that does not know the value of a thing that uses it anyhow, therefore its your responsibilty to put him thru not to kill him. As long as you are a muslim and wants to practice thru islam, your heart will always be poisoned against not muslim from the top. |
Re: An Open Letter To Nigerian Christians by mufuteeeee(m): 7:29pm On Oct 08, 2012 |
Ruth Isaac: OP Misinformation. Islam abhors violence. There are many authentic narrations from the prophet that states that the prophet himself will clearly fight a muslim that spills the blood of an innocent non-muslim on the day of resurrection. But when non-muslims(especially christians are not interested in learning the truth) but just love to repeat the false misconceptions, gross deceptions and blatant lies their missionaries, evangelists, MOGs, prosperity preachers and motivational speakers are reeling out to them. You may be born-again many times but make sure you don't die except as a muslim(the religion of all prophets Abraham, Moses, Elijah , John The Baptist, Jesus, Mohammed who were never trinitarians nor believers in a salvation by bloody sacrifice of a man or man-god or god-man or God become flesh but believe and teach others to worship the one and only true God that does not have mother, cousin). Why I am usually happy is that in spite of all the media bias and propaganda against muslims(though there are some bad eggs in the muslims) many truth seekers revert back to the logical conclusion of the abrahamic faith (i.e Judaism, Christianity and finally Islam). Anyone not blinded by prejudice and and pure hatred of islam will know that boko haram is a political, economic, social, ethnic and not a religious crises but are only hiding under the guise of islam to perpetrate their act and serve the cause of their masters which is just to destabilize Nigeria. The Al-Qaeda has a lot of factors behind it but we should ask America to explain the over 500,000 Iraqis it has killed and uncountable no. of women they have raped in the name of keeping peace. The enemies of Islam right from the birth of Islam have always been looking for one thing or the other to tarnish the image of islam ranging from persecution, annihilation, distorting history, falsified images and outright blatant lies. But the more they try, the more islam grows because Allah the ever-living God that does not rest or die for a second let alone 3 days is the guard and support of it and it will surely conquer the world from its humble beginnings of a 1-man message of Muhammad to a worldwide phenomenon boasting of Indonesians, Malaysians, and all other places where the logical teachings of Islam have captured their hearts. Christians are raised to hate Muhammad and his religion but a sincere seeker of truth will see that the christians have comitted far more atrocities but habits die hard. Whoever God wants to guide to the truth, He will make the person understand islam. We muslims owe a duty to educate the people on islam that as the Messiah son of Mary (PBUH) has nothing to do with gay pastors or those that embezzle their church funds or those that sleep with their church members (especially their choir), Islam too has nothing to do with all this recently created bad-image but when one is not even willing to learn the truth. Akhwat Akkwop http://freetruth.50webs.org/D3.htm http://christianwatchindia./category/christian-genocide |
Re: An Open Letter To Nigerian Christians by nextpart(m): 7:30pm On Oct 08, 2012 |
Islam is a religion of peace. If you say it is not, I WILL KILL YOU. |
Re: An Open Letter To Nigerian Christians by bukatyne(f): 7:32pm On Oct 08, 2012 |
afam4eva:IT matters |
Re: An Open Letter To Nigerian Christians by seunajia: 7:38pm On Oct 08, 2012 |
bukatyne: don't bet your life on what you don't know What makes you think "I don't know"? Matthew 5:39 "But I tell you not to resist an evil person. But whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also." (New King James Version) This snippet does not ask christian to be passive in the face of an offensive. It reinforces the idea that "revenge" is not to be left in the hands of the individual victim. Personal revenge and even "lynch-law" is certainly out of the question. There was means to deal with punishing the offender by the sword of the state. Conversely, Mathew wrote in: Mathew 5:13 "You are the salt of the earth; but if the salt loses its flavour, how shall it be seasoned? It is then good for nothing but to be thrown out and trampled underfoot by men." So, there it is: if you lose your flavour you will be trampled on by men until you find it again. The Gospels do not say that christians must be trampled on, it allows for self defence too. It just doesn't want us taking laws into our hands. The Holy Quran snippet I posted earlier says the same! PS: What I did up here may be wrong sometimes. It makes it easy to quote out of context-- Our Holy books sometimes spoke to certain people (race/locality), in this case the Jewish Judges and Phrassies. I hope you understand what I mean. |
Re: An Open Letter To Nigerian Christians by Imoy(m): 7:50pm On Oct 08, 2012 |
"...it is the duty of those who have accepted them [Allah's word and messager] to strive unceasingly to convert or at least to subjugate those who have not. This obligation is without limit of time or space. It must continue until the whole world has either accepted the Islamic faith or submitted to the power of the Islamic state.” So how can you tell me this religion means peace? |
Re: An Open Letter To Nigerian Christians by Thok(m): 8:01pm On Oct 08, 2012 |
Well, if this post potrays what i think it potrays,then @OP, you represent a minute few of a vast majority. But to write, you still accomodate those that indulge in religious wars. Hhmm. |
Re: An Open Letter To Nigerian Christians by seunajia: 8:46pm On Oct 08, 2012 |
Imoy: "...it is the duty of those who have accepted them [Allah's word and messager] to Where did you get this from? Smh. |
Re: An Open Letter To Nigerian Christians by SOUTHSOUTH1: 8:55pm On Oct 08, 2012 |
Why I Left Islam Postby nazeer mustafa » Fri Nov 04, 2011 6:02 am This is quite natural that when a person is shaken out of his comfort zone and dropped into another culture, he starts to question his own traditions and beliefs and compare them to the new culture... and end up asking which one is right. Many Muslims cannot even allow themselves to think that leaving Islam is an option, but I committed the ultimate sin of thinking and questioned the belief that was imposed on me and I came to realize that Islam is not a religion of truth. No wonder there is so much inexplicable hate of the West and of the Jews among Muslims. It was Islam which inseminated the hate and the distrust of the non-believers among Muslims. There were so many aspects of Islam, including its hatred and dislike of others, for which I had not got satisfactory answers while living in Pakistan. Islam wants to dominate the world by subduing all non-Muslims, calls for Jihad, and killing of non-believers until Islam becomes the only dominant religion of the World. How can Muslims integrate with other nations while holding these hateful messages of Islam? The reason for my conversion to Christianity was Islam itself. If I had regularly experienced peace and tolerance, I probably would never have left. In fact, I was taught never take non-Muslims as friends: [O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people – (Qur'an Chapter 5: Verse 51)] When I arrived in Australia I was received kindly by Christians and people of other religions or of no religion, who loved me and accepted me as their friend, who let me into their lives and hearts. It became obvious to me that Muslims are accepted by all the people of the world yet Islam wants us to hate them, to disassociate ourselves from them, to force them into our way of life or kill them, subdue them and make them pay Jizya. I found Christians to be friendly, tolerant, and peace loving. I did not find any reason to hate them or dislike them. The Qur'an clearly declares if a Muslim takes Christians for friends then he is a Christian too (Qur'an Chapter 5: Verse 51). I realized within weeks of my arrival in Australia that Christians are not friends of each other but of everyone. Although I had little knowledge about Christianity at the time of conversion but I was satisfied that I had reached that right path of love and peace. source http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=10887 |
Re: An Open Letter To Nigerian Christians by k9ine(m): 8:59pm On Oct 08, 2012 |
I see this write up suffers from misdirection. I would rather that the writer wrote this to his muslim brethren, instead of the christians and other non-muslims who have become grave diggers, due to the continued unprovoked killings of their loved ones in churches, schools, campus fellowships, and even at funerals. Interestingly, when these supposed muslims suffer retaliation, or government forces use maximum force against these TERRORISTS, the muslims are the first to cry out that their religious brethren are denied their fundamental rights or that government should negotiate with them. Are you more Islamic than the moslems in Iraq, Syria, Egypt, Pakistan, e.t.c. In as much you folks say Islam is a religion of peace, your actions (globally) speak otherwise when you celebrate the killings of non-muslims, and fail to call your sons to order. May the Good God bring peace to our land. Amen. |
Re: An Open Letter To Nigerian Christians by godman01(m): 9:11pm On Oct 08, 2012 |
dahonestboss: Are the muslims in the middle east different fromt the muslims in Nigeria ? let us assume boko haram is a Nigerian thing, what about the killings of none muslim in other part of the world ?Thank You! |
Re: An Open Letter To Nigerian Christians by alexis(m): 9:34pm On Oct 08, 2012 |
I couldn't help but respond to a couple of post on this thread. First of all: @Basic I want to thank you for the effort you made to reach out and clarify some things about Islam especially regarding violence. I respect your effort and I wish Muslim leaders could do the same. To save space and time, I will like you and our Muslims friends on NL to teach us and enlighten us about what the Quran says about violence/justification of killing toward non-muslims. It is only fair that you will allow us to research this using the Quran. I also ask that you allow us (non-muslims) to quote from the Quran for clarification and explanation. So, please teach us about what the Quran says regarding violence. @Discordia I saw your response to @cinammon post about the Quran permitting violence where she quited some Suras and your response was "Nothing contradicts anything?". Can you please explain. I will like us to have an intelligent discussion about this without any prejudice or being biased. This is not a Christian versus Muslim thread. The poster in my opinion made an honest attempt and we will like him to further explain what the Quran says about violence using the Quran and if possible the Hadith and other related materials if necessary for clarification. |
Re: An Open Letter To Nigerian Christians by Basic(m): 10:13pm On Oct 08, 2012 |
eduson77: That's a fallacy you just committed. |
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