truthislight:

hahaha, you are right on the expect of the bolded though.

And that is what i have been trying to say.

People have the capacity to re-orient themself on this things rather than remaining on it and blaming "god" for a practice that has become a habit.

hahaha, you are right on the expect of the bolded though.

And that is what i have been trying to say.

People have the capacity to re-orient themself on this things rather than remaining on it and blaming "god" for a practice that has become a habit.

Sometimes, for some issues, maybe. I disagree with regards to sexuality though, quite a few are born gay. There is gay all over the animal kingdom. Irrelevant though as even if they chose to be gay, it's their right. Forcing your morality on others is extremely odious to me, and they aren't harming anyone. Since we can confirm the existence of humans and haven't seen god strolling about, I think human rights are much more important than god's laws. Bigots should let god his own smiting come judgment day.

There's also the free will thing but that's another long story

While i will let others of you extractions to fly, am kind of taking interest on this

wiegraf:
There is gay all over the animal kingdom.

can you please tutor me on this^^^^

truthislight: While i will let others of you extractions to fly, am kind of taking interest on this


can you please tutor me on this^^^^

There's wiki articles even, you can view their sources or just google for homosexuality in animal life

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals

wiegraf:

There's wiki articles even, you can view their sources or just google for homosexuality in animal life

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals

thank you though.

But i think it will have served for a better discussion if you had reproduce an extraction from the site to proof your point.

It is your call.

If you dont proved it otherwise, am still compel to deduce from nature that nature made them male and female and it shows what nature points to as normal helping us to know what is a Misnomer?
Peace

As an atheist, it makes sense to me that gays and lesbians who grew up in a Muslim or Christian household should want to leave their religion. I don't necessarily think that atheism is a necessary consequence, perhaps agnosticism, apatheism, or Daoism might also work for them.

As far as saying that most atheist are gays, that is just plain foolishness. There are plenty of reasons to reject religion.

DP

onetrack: As an atheist, it makes sense to me that gays and lesbians who grew up in a Muslim or Christian household should want to leave their religion. I don't necessarily think that atheism is a necessary consequence, perhaps agnosticism, apatheism, or Daoism might also work for them.

As far as saying that most atheist are gays, that is just plain foolishness. There are plenty of reasons to reject religion.

that last part is a function of anger.

If i was hooked to homosexuality and found out that based on my most fevourit "pastime"(gay) am being judged and sentence already befor the end itself and as long as i am concern there is no going back on my choice of "pastime", then it will make a lot of sense to hate/reject such a God.

This is partly the reason why atheism is an attractive option for gay persons.

As such the conclussion that most atheist are gay is very well justified.

Come to look at it, do you feel it is a bad thing being gay? Why the beef?

However, It will not be out of place for someone to show to us why most atheist cant be gay.

truthislight:

thank you though.

But i think it will have served for a better discussion if you had reproduce an extraction from the site to proof your point.

It is your call.

If you dont proved it otherwise, am still compel to deduce from nature that nature made them male and female and it shows what nature points to as normal helping us to know what is a Misnomer?
Peace

No offence, this makes absolutely no sense.

I don't understand am I being persecuted? I cannot post in the religion section and all this because I wonder why atheism could be the religion of gays? Check here www.nairaland.com/1072447/could-atheism-considered-gay-religion


Ok I just found out

Banned by manmustwac in Religion for being to
insultive. I don't like the comment comment about
licking mod assss

vedaxcool:
After you are thru licking Mod
asssss. That is the door get the +@ck
out! As usual the cowardly atheist cannot address
the thread, rather they are here hurling insults and
feeling hurt!

.Ban expires on
10:09am On Oct 15

But where is freedom of speech? Na wa make unah helep me shout!





Vedaxcool is asking what is wrong in using licking asssss, when we know it is clearly like saying kissing one's asssss in essence behaving sheepishly in order to win some favor.

Pls ask manmuswac why being do pained have made him banned vedaxcool unfairly?

Sweetnecta: @Saint Paris: could you prove that homosexuality is part of the Paradise that Allah Will give Muslims? If you do not have evidence, then you are just Jaw"ing".
No everyone that serves a person on earth become sexua.ly intimate with who is served

yes not every who serves somebody becomes sexuàlly intimate with the person. But correct me if am wrong is wine not prohibited on earth but permitted in your paradise?
*the number of women one could be married to is limited to 4 but when you get to paradise it exceeds 72 and above?
*so it's safe to say homosexualìty is Prohibited on earth but allow in heaven given the number of verses in your quran that defines this boys as 'handsome' 'pearls' etc.
And round them shall go boys of theirs as if they were hidden pearls. S. 52:24 Shakir
Round about them shall go youths never altering in age, With goblets and ewers and a cup of pure drink; S. 56:17-18 Shakir
And round about them shall go youths never altering in age; when you see them you will think them to be scattered pearls. S. 76:19 Shakir
We wonder, what will Muslims be doing with these young boys, hold hands and sing together? It is passages such as these that led some Muslims to argue that homosexuality and pederasty would be permitted in Paradise. For instance in his tasfir Abul-Ala Maari said that homosexuality will be permissible in paradise. He based this opinion on Suraal-Waqi‘a 56:17-23: "Round about them are male youths of freshness ... and there will be huris (‘beautiful companions with large and lustrous eyes, like pearls well-guarded’)" ...
"Abul-Ala said: ‘If wine is prohibited in this world and allowed in paradise, the same will happen with homosexuality ’ ( Risala al-ghufran by al-Maarri and Khawater Muslim fi al-mas’ala al-Jinsiyya by Muhammad Jalal Kishk)." ( True Guidance (Part 4), An Introduction to Quranic Studies [Light of Life, P.O. Box 13, A-9503 Villach, Austria], p. 122)
Even prophet Muhammad showed some gayish attitudes.
Muhammad use to invite young boys to see him wash his private parts:
Narrated Anas bin Malik:
Whenever Allah's Apostle went to answer the call of nature, I along with another boy used to accompany him with a tumbler full of water. (Hisham commented," So that he might wash his private parts with it ." ( Sahih Al-Bukhari , Volume 1, Book 4, Number 152

Other traditions state that Muhammad would actually allow young boys to suck his tongue and he would suck the tongue of others. For instance, in "Musnad Ahmad," Hadith number: 16245, Volume Title: "The Sayings of the Syrians," Chapter Title: "Hadith of Mu’awiya Ibn Abu Sufyan," we read:
Narrated by Hisham Ibn Kasim, narrated by Huraiz, narrated by Abdul Rahman Ibn Abu Awf Al Jarashy, and narrated by Mua’wiya who said,
"I saw the prophet – pbuh – sucking on the tongue or the lips of Al-Hassan son of Ali source
Muhammad also appeared nakèd before a man:
narrated by Aisha who said,
"Zaid Ibn Haritha came to Medina while the prophet – pbuh – was in my house. He (Zaid) came and knocked on the door so the prophet rose up and went towards him naked ,dragging his garment behind him. By Allah I had not seen the prophet naked before this or after it (in front of people). Then the prophet embraced Zaid and kissed him."

Islamic Paradise has the wife/wives of the earth that also end[s] in Paradise. Then there are Houris along with that.

“They shall have all that they will desire with their Lord. That is the reward of the good doers.” 39:34
So the bottom line is that paradise is a child’s fantasy land. You can wish anything and it will be yours. But isn’t this statement in disagreement with other verses of the Quran that clearly describe how paradise is made and how many celestial whores men get?
Suppose you want 75 or 750 whòres you have your wish? Or you want a gay Partner. what if your wife wishes to be with some sexy latino dude with six packs? What will you do? Override her wishes with yours and she does the same and it goes on and on? Why even give a number when the choice is left up to the believer? This to me seems contradiction.

This afternoon, I was just thinking about Cialis, Viagra, etc. The majority of the users are not muslims, yet the same folks, like yourself will bad mouth the muslims, when in fact you people don't see any se,xual act you don't engage in with pride.

am not bad mouthing anyone. Why are you thinking of viagra if you don't use it? Can you Prove beyond every reasonable doubt that muslims don't use it considering the fact they're polygamous? Even your prophet used to visit his numerous wives in one night and boasted to have the séxual powers of 30 men! Can you prove beyond every reasonable doubt that muhammad wasn't using locally made viagra in his days?

St paris, you dey fall my hand [like eplc fail of logicboy the atheist, aka abdulsleek who is proud that he didnt fast in this past ramadhan and 5 daily prayers has become a burden to him in London. I wonder if he lives in New York City, he would have denied ever knowing any muslim.

delusion at work. The same abdulsleek and 3 other muslims couldn't handle and you're here making mouth. That's how saddam Hussein declared himself victorious on state tv after losing the gulf war. If you have problem with abdul take it up to him am sure he's quite capable of defending himself.

Peter denied Jesus of the hanging event, they said in the Bibles. The same peter who satan lived in. Talk about satanic verses since what said is n the pages of the Bibles. Or Jesus didn't say to peter that Peter was Satan?

i wonder what this has got to do with anything. Where did you get all this from? The answer to question no

i didn't intend to write such a long post but you asked for evidence

truthislight:

that last part is a function of anger.

If i was hooked to homosexuality and found out that based on my most fevourit "pastime"(gay) am being judged and sentence already befor the end itself and as long as i am concern there is no going back on my choice of "pastime", then it will make a lot of sense to hate/reject such a God.

This is partly the reason why atheism is an attractive option for gay persons.

As such the conclussion that most atheist are gay is very well justified.

Come to look at it, do you feel it is a bad thing being gay? Why the beef?

However, It will not be out of place for someone to show to us why most atheist cant be gay.

Just because a particular belief might be an attractive option for a certain category of people does not automatically mean that they must as a result make up the majority of the people who share that belief. Ultimately, only a scientific study could answer that question. However, given that homosexuals are only about 3% of the population, it is doubtful that they could make up a majority of atheists, given that, in many countries, the percentage of atheists is above 6% which would mean that most atheists could not be homosexual.

Stalwert: I don't understand am I being persecuted? I cannot post in the religion section and all this because I wonder why atheism could be the religion of gays? Check here www.nairaland.com/1072447/could-atheism-considered-gay-religion


Ok I just found out

Banned by manmustwac in Religion for being to
insultive. I don't like the comment comment about
licking mod assss .Ban expires on
10:09am On Oct 15

But where is freedom of speech? Na wa make unah helep me shout!





Vedaxcool is asking what is wrong in using licking asssss, when we know it is clearly like saying kissing one's asssss in essence behaving sheepishly in order to win some favor.

Pls ask manmuswac why being do pained have made him banned vedaxcool unfairly?

Too stoopid to realize just how stoopid you are. A 5 year old would be needed to explain things to you in a manner which you'd understand. Don't expect any replies, except from maybe a kindly nursery school teacher

wiegraf:

Too stoopid to realize just how stoopid you are. A 5 year old would be needed to explain things to you in a manner which you'd understand. Don't expect any replies, except from maybe a kindly nursery school teacher

It seems I know who your name!

Stalwert:

It seems I know who your name!

You know my real name?

@truthislight: If God creating "butlers" for people of Paradise makes you sick, I hope you are not truly sick now that even the worst President Nigeria ever produce is being served by all kind of "butlers"?

I dont know why you will be sick because there will be better Luxury in Paradise than what the best on earth is enjoying? Do you think God is not Capable to reward good with "better" good, or you think its unfair for the created "being" that are made to serve, if you think the position of Angel is okay, why are you disagreeing to the point that you are now running a temperature?


@Saint Paris:

by Saint paris: 10:41pm On Oct 12
Is it proper to marry and have sêx with a 9yr old girl?

Qur’an65:4 says you can marry and divorce PrePubescent girls who have not menstruated.

Children reaching "the age of marriage" in Noble Verse 4:6. Female-children becoming fataaya (young ladies) become ready to be "wed" (4:25).


http://www.answering-christianity.com/aishahage.htm

Noble Verse(s) 65:1
Women who have not had their monthly period at the time of the divorce: it doesn't necessarily have to mean that the woman was a young girl. To me, it is clearly talking about the wife not having her period yet when the divorce happened. Women on average have 10 days of menstruation each month. Point #2 is speaking about the 20 other days.

In all that i read in the Quran and the Practices of the prophet [sa] the singular individual who had the best character and manners in every aspects of living among any who every was on this earth, I did not see a 6 or 9 year old as a spouse in Islam. Adam was a grown in his first day as a human being. Eve was the same; on the day each was a human being, they were human beings grown enough to be parents of their own children I do not know why you are complaining about anyone who was married to a spouse and didnt complain about it, no one in their time complained about it, yet it is a man lie you who us now complaining when I am sure that girlfriend and boyfriend "deal" is not far from you and you may not be a virgin when you hit 25.

24.33 Do not compel your slave girls to pròstitution to drive income from her body if they are not willing.

today's nigeria, girls/ladies are made into SE.X 'slaves' in Europe, by men, mostly not muslim men. If these people read the Quran they may just have not done what they are known to do against these poor edo/bini women. Oh. I remember there is a term now in Nigeria known as "Aristo" which is another form of se.xual slavery or is any male hoping that his women folks participate in either Aristo or European se.xual slavery?

The Quran admonishes people from doing evil and you have a problem with that?

But of course Allah is a forgiving God.. In case mominsdo beat them up and force them to pròstitute, Allah said he will forgive them.
24.33 (continued) But if you did force her to prostitutè Allah can forgive you because he is forgiving and compassionate.

Allah forgives all sins. You dey fall my hands mehn.

Lol, those boys will serve men sêxually/quote]provide you evidence otherwise the laugh may be on you.


[quote]or otherwise. Since the Op is a muslim, it never occurred to him that Homosexualit.y is permitted in allah's paradise? tongue

please put the tongue back where it belongs because you are "NOT SPEAKING THE TRUTH", so why gloat? show me where homosexuality is permissible on earth in the Quran and may be permissible in Paradise.

What Allah forbids on earth that He will allow in Paradise are listed: drinking for "those who want to drink".

Sweetnecta: @Saint Paris: could you prove that homosexuality is part of the Paradise that Allah Will give Muslims? If you do not have evidence, then you are just Jaw"ing".
No everyone that serves a person on earth become sexua.ly intimate with who is served

yes not every who serves somebody becomes sexuàlly intimate with the person. But correct me if am wrong is wine not prohibited on earth but permitted in your paradise?
*the number of women one could be married to is limited to 4 but when you get to paradise it exceeds 72 and above?
*so it's safe to say homosexualìty is Prohibited on earth but allow in heaven given the number of verses in your quran that defines this boys as 'handsome' 'pearls' etc.
And round them shall go boys of theirs as if they were hidden pearls. S. 52:24 Shakir
Round about them shall go youths never altering in age, With goblets and ewers and a cup of pure drink; S. 56:17-18 Shakir
And round about them shall go youths never altering in age; when you see them you will think them to be scattered pearls. S. 76:19 Shakir
We wonder, what will Muslims be doing with these young boys, hold hands and sing together? It is passages such as these that led some Muslims to argue that homosexuality and pederasty would be permitted in Paradise. For instance in his tasfir Abul-Ala Maari said that homosexuality will be permissible in paradise. He based this opinion on Suraal-Waqi‘a 56:17-23: "Round about them are male youths of freshness ... and there will be huris (‘beautiful companions with large and lustrous eyes, like pearls well-guarded’)" ...
"Abul-Ala said: ‘If wine is prohibited in this world and allowed in paradise, the same will happen with homosexuality ’ ( Risala al-ghufran by al-Maarri and Khawater Muslim fi al-mas’ala al-Jinsiyya by Muhammad Jalal Kishk)." ( True Guidance (Part 4), An Introduction to Quranic Studies [Light of Life, P.O. Box 13, A-9503 Villach, Austria], p. 122)
Even prophet Muhammad showed some gayish attitudes.
Muhammad use to invite young boys to see him wash his private parts:
Narrated Anas bin Malik:
Whenever Allah's Apostle went to answer the call of nature, I along with another boy used to accompany him with a tumbler full of water. (Hisham commented," So that he might wash his private parts with it ." ( Sahih Al-Bukhari , Volume 1, Book 4, Number 152

Other traditions state that Muhammad would actually allow young boys to suck his tongue and he would suck the tongue of others. For instance, in "Musnad Ahmad," Hadith number: 16245, Volume Title: "The Sayings of the Syrians," Chapter Title: "Hadith of Mu’awiya Ibn Abu Sufyan," we read:
Narrated by Hisham Ibn Kasim, narrated by Huraiz, narrated by Abdul Rahman Ibn Abu Awf Al Jarashy, and narrated by Mua’wiya who said,
"I saw the prophet – pbuh – sucking on the tongue or the lips of Al-Hassan son of Ali source
Muhammad also appeared nakèd before a man:
narrated by Aisha who said,
"Zaid Ibn Haritha came to Medina while the prophet – pbuh – was in my house. He (Zaid) came and knocked on the door so the prophet rose up and went towards him naked ,dragging his garment behind him. By Allah I had not seen the prophet naked before this or after it (in front of people). Then the prophet embraced Zaid and kissed him."

Islamic Paradise has the wife/wives of the earth that also end[s] in Paradise. Then there are Houris along with that.

“They shall have all that they will desire with their Lord. That is the reward of the good doers.” 39:34
So the bottom line is that paradise is a child’s fantasy land. You can wish anything and it will be yours. But isn’t this statement in disagreement with other verses of the Quran that clearly describe how paradise is made and how many celestial whores men get?
Suppose you want 75 or 750 whòres you have your wish? Or you want a gay Partner. what if your wife wishes to be with some sexy latino dude with six packs? What will you do? Override her wishes with yours and she does the same and it goes on and on? Why even give a number when the choice is left up to the believer? This to me seems contradiction.

This afternoon, I was just thinking about Cialis, Viagra, etc. The majority of the users are not muslims, yet the same folks, like yourself will bad mouth the muslims, when in fact you people don't see any se,xual act you don't engage in with pride.

am not bad mouthing anyone. Why are you thinking of viagra if you don't use it? Can you Prove beyond every reasonable doubt that muslims don't use it considering the fact they're polygamous? Even your prophet used to visit his numerous wives in one night and boasted to have the séxual powers of 30 men! Can you prove beyond every reasonable doubt that muhammad wasn't using locally made viagra in his days?

St paris, you dey fall my hand [like eplc fail of logicboy the atheist, aka abdulsleek who is proud that he didnt fast in this past ramadhan and 5 daily prayers has become a burden to him in London. I wonder if he lives in New York City, he would have denied ever knowing any muslim.

delusion at work. The same abdulsleek and 3 other muslims couldn't handle and you're here making mouth. That's how saddam Hussein declared himself victorious on state tv after losing the gulf war. If you have problem with abdul take it up to him am sure he's quite capable of defending himself.

Peter denied Jesus of the hanging event, they said in the Bibles. The same peter who satan lived in. Talk about satanic verses since what said is n the pages of the Bibles. Or Jesus didn't say to peter that Peter was Satan?

i wonder what this has got to do with anything. Where did you get all this from? The answer to question no

Islamic Paradise has the wife/wives of the earth that also end[s] in Paradise. Then there are Houris along with that.

“They shall have all that they will desire with their Lord. That is the reward of the good doers.” 39:34
So the bottom line is that paradise is a child’s fantasy land. You can wish anything and it will be yours. But isn’t this statement in disagreement with other verses of the Quran that clearly describe how paradise is made and how many celestial whores men get?
Suppose you want 75 or 750 whòres you have your wish? Or you want a gay Partner. what if your wife wishes to be with some sexy latino dude with six packs? What will you do? Override her wishes with yours and she does the same and it goes on and on? Why even give a number when the choice is left up to the believer? This to me seems contradiction.

This afternoon, I was just thinking about Cialis, Viagra, etc. The majority of the users are not muslims, yet the same folks, like yourself will bad mouth the muslims, when in fact you people don't see any se,xual act you don't engage in with pride.

am not bad mouthing anyone. Why are you thinking of viagra if you don't use it? Can you Prove beyond every reasonable doubt that muslims don't use it considering the fact they're polygamous? Even your prophet used to visit his numerous wives in one night and boasted to have the séxual powers of 30 men! Can you prove beyond every reasonable doubt that muhammad wasn't using locally made viagra in his days?

St paris, you dey fall my hand [like eplc fail of logicboy the atheist, aka abdulsleek who is proud that he didnt fast in this past ramadhan and 5 daily prayers has become a burden to him in London. I wonder if he lives in New York City, he would have denied ever knowing any muslim.

delusion at work. The same abdulsleek and 3 other muslims couldn't handle and you're here making mouth. That's how saddam Hussein declared himself victorious on state tv after losing the gulf war. If you have problem with abdul take it up to him am sure he's quite capable of defending himself.

Peter denied Jesus of the hanging event, they said in the Bibles. The same peter who satan lived in. Talk about satanic verses since what said is n the pages of the Bibles. Or Jesus didn't say to peter that Peter was Satan?

i wonder what this has got to do with anything. Where did you get all this from? The answer to question no

Saint paris: yes not every who serves somebody becomes sexuàlly intimate with the person. But correct me if am wrong is wine not prohibited on earth but permitted in your paradise?
*the number of women one could be married to is limited to 4 but when you get to paradise it exceeds 72 and above?
*so it's safe to say homosexualìty is Prohibited on earth but allow in heaven given the number of verses in your quran that defines this boys as 'handsome' 'pearls' etc.
And round them shall go boys of theirs as if they were hidden pearls. S. 52:24 Shakir
Round about them shall go youths never altering in age, With goblets and ewers and a cup of pure drink; S. 56:17-18 Shakir
And round about them shall go youths never altering in age; when you see them you will think them to be scattered pearls. S. 76:19 Shakir
We wonder, what will Muslims be doing with these young boys, hold hands and sing together? It is passages such as these that led some Muslims to argue that homosexuality and pederasty would be permitted in Paradise. For instance in his tasfir Abul-Ala Maari said that homosexuality will be permissible in paradise. He based this opinion on Suraal-Waqi‘a 56:17-23: "Round about them are male youths of freshness ... and there will be huris (‘beautiful companions with large and lustrous eyes, like pearls well-guarded’)" ...
"Abul-Ala said: ‘If wine is prohibited in this world and allowed in paradise, the same will happen with homosexuality ’ ( Risala al-ghufran by al-Maarri and Khawater Muslim fi al-mas’ala al-Jinsiyya by Muhammad Jalal Kishk)." ( True Guidance (Part 4), An Introduction to Quranic Studies [Light of Life, P.O. Box 13, A-9503 Villach, Austria], p. 122)
Even prophet Muhammad showed some gayish attitudes.
Muhammad use to invite young boys to see him wash his private parts:
Narrated Anas bin Malik:
Whenever Allah's Apostle went to answer the call of nature, I along with another boy used to accompany him with a tumbler full of water. (Hisham commented," So that he might wash his private parts with it ." ( Sahih Al-Bukhari , Volume 1, Book 4, Number 152

Other traditions state that Muhammad would actually allow young boys to suck his tongue and he would suck the tongue of others. For instance, in "Musnad Ahmad," Hadith number: 16245, Volume Title: "The Sayings of the Syrians," Chapter Title: "Hadith of Mu’awiya Ibn Abu Sufyan," we read:
Narrated by Hisham Ibn Kasim, narrated by Huraiz, narrated by Abdul Rahman Ibn Abu Awf Al Jarashy, and narrated by Mua’wiya who said,
"I saw the prophet – pbuh – sucking on the tongue or the lips of Al-Hassan son of Ali source
Muhammad also appeared nakèd before a man:
narrated by Aisha who said,
"Zaid Ibn Haritha came to Medina while the prophet – pbuh – was in my house. He (Zaid) came and knocked on the door so the prophet rose up and went towards him naked ,dragging his garment behind him. By Allah I had not seen the prophet naked before this or after it (in front of people). Then the prophet embraced Zaid and kissed him."

I mean I'm liberal and all but wth am I reading... What is this?!!?....

Lololol oh $deity....

The word hypocrisy might need some consideration, if true ie

wiegraf:


You know my real name?

Yeah I know your real name?

Stalwert:


Yeah I know your real name?

Tell us then, if you will good ser.

@Saint paris;

by Saint paris: 6:02pm
yes not every who serves somebody becomes sexuàlly intimate with the person. But correct me if am wrong is wine not prohibited on earth but permitted in your paradise?

wine is prohibited here on earth and Allah list it as "PERMISSIBLE" in Paradise. read again. the operative word is "list". It is listed as permissible in Paradise. On earth except the Prophet [sa] all males can have up to 4 wives at any given time and not 5 or higher. Allah says He will give HOURIS as mates to Muslims. If you wish restrict it to muslim men because of descriptions as "Maidens". The fact of the matter is that Allah list this specie/creation as thing of paradise as "mates" in addition to worldly wives that will be definitely "MATES" of their husbands if they go to paradise as those who received the "MERCY" of Allah.

*the number of women one could be married to is limited to 4 but when you get to paradise it exceeds 72 and above?

Read the answer or explanation above. If you like make the number of houris to be 72,0000,0000,0000. Its your Wahala. Allah is Able to do whatever He Wills. He is not shy to tell the truth and He knows everything of the future and beyond the DAY OF JUDGMENT.

*so it's safe to say homosexualìty is Prohibited on earth but allow in heaven given the number of verses in your quran that defines this boys as 'handsome' 'pearls' etc.

Unless you have poor ability to reach logical conclusion, it is not safe to say homosexuality that God destroyed a people upon will be permissible in paradise, considering that it is not listed as what will be possible to do in paradise. The Quran did not punish anyone for consuming alcohol or marrying more than 4 wives, but admonishes that which is not permissible. God says of those who engage in illegal sex, like fornication [adultery] to them is a prescribed punishment if at the end they themselves confessed to it. Allah described the destruction of the people of homo.sexual; the people in the community of prophet Lot [as]. You tend to think Quran is a Book like the other books where what they mean is not what they are saying. Let me give you example of what I mean here: the other book says Jesus was son of God. when you ask those who believe this what is the relationship with the mother of Jesus to God then, they can't say she is a spouse of Yahweh. Quran says about this that it is a lie because Allah does not need any son and how can He have a son if He does not have a wife.

You may mr. saint paris still argue that your holy ghost mount Mary by overshadowing and "coming" upon her. Thats your own wahala because God does not send anything to mount a virgin or needs a son for no single reason.

And round them shall go boys of theirs as if they were hidden pearls. S. 52:24 Shakir

so description of handsome male means he is made a gay, a sex.ual partner of another man? You must be an unattractive male. I'm just saying. If i ask, you may read your own sex.ual perversion to it.

Round about them shall go youths never altering in age, With goblets and ewers and a cup of pure drink; S. 56:17-18 Shakir
And round about them shall go youths never altering in age; when you see them you will think them to be scattered pearls. S. 76:19 Shakir
We wonder, what will Muslims be doing with these young boys, hold hands and sing together? It is passages such as these that led some Muslims to argue that homosexuality and pederasty would be permitted in Paradise. For instance in his tasfir Abul-Ala Maari said that homosexuality will be permissible in paradise. He based this opinion on Suraal-Waqi‘a 56:17-23: "Round about them are male youths of freshness ... and there will be huris (‘beautiful companions with large and lustrous eyes, like pearls well-guarded’)" ...

you must be a friend to the christian apologetic dr. morey. he never say a thing about Islam that he will bring out se.x from it.

"Abul-Ala said: ‘If wine is prohibited in this world and allowed in paradise, the same will happen with homosexuality ’ ( Risala al-ghufran by al-Maarri and Khawater Muslim fi al-mas’ala al-Jinsiyya by Muhammad Jalal Kishk)." ( True Guidance (Part 4), An Introduction to Quranic Studies [Light of Life, P.O. Box 13, A-9503 Villach, Austria], p. 122)

you and him if he said so can take all gay created since you fancy that lifestyle so much, sweet boy with sugar in his blood. even wine is not mandated or made mandatory, you gay guy [sorry. you say it so frequently that i think you are a switch hitter].

Even prophet Muhammad showed some gayish attitudes.
Muhammad use to invite young boys to see him wash his private parts:
Narrated Anas bin Malik:
Whenever Allah's Apostle went to answer the call of nature, I along with another boy used to accompany him with a tumbler full of water. (Hisham commented," So that he might wash his private parts with it ."wink ( Sahih Al-Bukhari , Volume 1, Book 4, Number 152wink

my son used to see me nud.e. my nephew is also like my son because i am one of the "other fathers" he has. How Muhammad [sa] exhibited "gayish" attitudes in your mind, when men in nigeria even see the nu.dity of one another in school dorms or as roommates is beyond me. I forgot. You live in GAY PARIS, mr. saint paris. Muhammad [sa] was not a gay or sexu.al pervert like those you love to imitate. Your hatred of him is making your heart spill out what you love but normal hearts hate.

Other traditions state that Muhammad would actually allow young boys to suck his tongue and he would suck the tongue of others. For instance, in "Musnad Ahmad," Hadith number: 16245, Volume Title: "The Sayings of the Syrians," Chapter Title: "Hadith of Mu’awiya Ibn Abu Sufyan," we read:
Narrated by Hisham Ibn Kasim, narrated by Huraiz, narrated by Abdul Rahman Ibn Abu Awf Al Jarashy, and narrated by Mua’wiya who said,
"I saw the prophet – pbuh – sucking on the tongue or the lips of Al-Hassan son of Ali source

Tongue of others you said and you listed his grandson. I kissed my sons you "M..on". Grandfathers spoil grandchildren. My grandchildren will have more than ajebota life with me and you ajepako can never know what it means to love your children, you heart of stone man. I hope grandpa at least said hello to you when you were a child?

I used to wash the bottom of my children and is that "gayish" too? I hope somebody showed you there is some emotion called love and everything is not hatred. I wonder if you will know how to love. I'm just saying. God knows the truth of your life.

Muhammad also appeared nakèd before a man:
narrated by Aisha who said,
"Zaid Ibn Haritha came to Medina while the prophet – pbuh – was in my house. He (Zaid) came and knocked on the door so the prophet rose up and went towards him Unclad ,dragging his garment behind him. By Allah I had not seen the prophet Unclad before this or after it (in front of people). Then the prophet embraced Zaid and kissed him."

I have a lifelong friend. I was visiting him in frisco and we havent seen each other almost 5 years. I was taking showers and he was standing at the door talking to me and his wife was like " ". Are nigerian men who are nud.e around their friends gays? Alhamdulillah. I dont let anybody see my body anymore because Muhammad [sa] instructed me that my body must be kept private.

wiegraf:

No offence, this makes absolutely no sense.

not mutually exclusive.

^^
What is not mutually exclusive? We speak completely different languages. You don't do your thinking in english, abi? Seems some translation problems occur, similar to discussing with say potelemos. I'm guessing that's why I don't get you

Some atheists are against homosexuality, while some support it. Neither is there a central creed in atheism to accept homosexuality or be one.

And taking atheism as a religion is deceptive

Kay 17: Some atheists are against homosexuality, while some support it. Neither is there a central creed in atheism to accept homosexuality or be one.

And taking atheism as a religion is deceptive

That's all there is to it
This isn't even a topic...

wiegraf:

Tell us then, if you will good ser.

Your name is Mr. UNIMPORTANT, keep whining about my post poo bag!

Kay 17: Some atheists are against homosexuality, while some support it. Neither is there a central creed in atheism to accept homosexuality or be one.

And taking atheism as a religion is deceptive

Most atheist are at home with the practice! Yeah Atheism as a religion is quite deceptive if you are an atheist that is, homo will always find atheism the right disbelief for their debauchery!

Stalwert:

Your name is Mr. UNIMPORTANT, keep whining about my post poo bag!

The bolded is the only part of any of your posts where you imply intelligence greater than a 5 year old's, and I think it was a fluke.

Stalwert:

Most atheist are at home with the practice! Yeah Atheism as a religion is quite deceptive if you are an atheist that is, homo will always find atheism the right disbelief for their debauchery!

First of all, whether its debauchery or not depends on the society they are in. Society sets the rules, and some don't frown at it.

Second, yes, some homosexuals become atheists maybe because their religion (esp. Christianity) fails to exhibit and propagate Love. And subsequently the religion shatters b4 them. While some accept liberal denomonations of Christianity.

And some still stick to conservative christianity and battle with themselves.

wiegraf: ^^
What is not mutually exclusive? We speak completely different languages. You don't do your thinking in english, abi? Seems some translation problems occur, similar to discussing with say potelemos. I'm guessing that's why I don't get you

i still dont get you or shear your sentiments i mean!

Hmmm!

What i wrote is very much understandable for those that want to.

"if you cant forward your reasons for saying that animals are also homosexuals like mankind and show proof of It to be so, the rational option left to me is to remain with what i have learn from nature that nature made living things male and female"(animal and man)

so, from nature one can learn what is normal and what is Misnomer.

If this is not clear to you, then it may be a "mind set" thing.

Bring forward your extraction from the wiki site you ref. Let us see, and leave attacking my person.

As for ptolomeus, i just wander

wiegraf:
similar to discussing with say potelemos.

may your majesty forgive him. *sigh*

Peace

Kay 17: Some atheists are against homosexuality, while some support it. Neither is there a central creed in atheism to accept homosexuality or be one.

And taking atheism as a religion is deceptive

i can say it is beautifully stated by you.

But, was a rationale of this sort too much of the highest order that the other atheist on this thread found it difficult to present?

The heart(mind) can be treacherouse you know?

Rather, the resort of some is to attack the other person. Weakness i say.

But you show strong will power to be able to suppress your emotion and be rational.

10/10 to you kay17