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Re: Nigeria Exports Religion, India Exports Cars by Curiouscity(m): 8:14pm On Oct 23, 2012 |
Any sick man who does not acknowledge his sickness is far away from cure/healing, and that is what we Nigerians are(most of us). We hate to face the truth. We take as insult any iota of truth projected to us about who we are, as individuals and and as a KUNTry. This is sickening especially when this attitude comes from the youths who calling for a change in status-quo. It makes me feel we are not serious. No country or culture has it all, but why can't we learn from the positive sides of the country mentioned in the article? Why don't we ask ourselves what we can do to add value to human life, industries and technology and stop being hypocritical about being religious or comparing how other countries are worse than us. If you want to grow, do U compare yourself with people below you? How many Nigerian companies are buying out other countries' companies?(Indians now own Airtel) How many Nigerian companies are doing govt contracts in other countries? Hypocritical religion, sycophancy, tribalism, nepotism, bigotry and mediocrity has blinded most of us. We better stop asking for change for we are the change we demand to see!! 2 Likes |
Re: Nigeria Exports Religion, India Exports Cars by mikedaniel76gmailcom(m): 8:49pm On Oct 23, 2012 |
Its a master piece that almost made tear gosh from ma eyes. # I weep for Nigeria# |
Re: Nigeria Exports Religion, India Exports Cars by SisiKill1: 9:07pm On Oct 23, 2012 |
What's he talking about? One Nigerian Pastor's wealth alone can buy 5 Indian Car companies! Wait. . .are we. . .are we talking about National Development? Oh. . .never mind then, just ignore what I wrote earlier. Silly me, I thought twas a discussion about who has made more money fleecing people for personal gain. 3 Likes |
Re: Nigeria Exports Religion, India Exports Cars by AjanleKoko: 9:49pm On Oct 23, 2012 |
Sisi_Kill: What's he talking about? Nah. Nobody, not even the treasury looters, can afford to buy the likes of Tata, or Wipro, or Infosys. India has a lot of powerful industrialists. Nigeria has a lot of powerful treasury looters. 1 Like |
Re: Nigeria Exports Religion, India Exports Cars by AjanleKoko: 9:55pm On Oct 23, 2012 |
Katsumoto: Hmm. I don't know about that sha. Indians are quite corrupt. Though I admit, we are ruled by superstar looters, while Mamohan Singh is a saint by any standard. yinchar: Dude, leave Wikipedia matter. India has massive power problems. http://www.businessinsider.com/indias-power-outages-2012-7 http://www.economist.com/node/21559977 http://www.thenational.ae/news/world/south-asia/outages-highlight-chronic-power-problem-in-india I guess I got more bandwidth than you eGuerrilla: Fair enough. The author is praising India from rose-colored glasses. But I think he should take time out to visit. I've seen India first hand a number of times, and a number of cities, and I find it a study in contradiction. Some of my observations: 1. They have decent airports and airlines. The big cities, like Mumbai, Delhi, Bangalore, Hyderabad, yes. Even smaller cities like Jaipur, Pune, and Chennai have decent airports compared to what we have in Nigeria. Kingfisher and Jet are two top-class airlines (though it seems Kingfisher has almost gone bankrupt now). 2. Once you step outside the airports, you feel like you just landed in Mushin. For real. Overcrowding, dirt, road congestion, crumbling infrastructure. The only two places that are a bit snazzy and Abuja-like are Hyderabad and Bangalore. Even Hyderabad has an old city which I visited. It felt like the centre of Kano city. Driving through the cities are not pleasant either. Tricycles everywhere, total bedlam and disregard for traffic laws. 3. Surprisingly India is quite industrialized. I visit Noida a lot, where they have a lot of factories, in Delhi. Many of the large manufacturers in my industry are slowly migrating to India, as labour costs rise in China. They are also quite professional and efficient in their private sector. Very professional. However the public sector is clearly marked by incompetence. You can see the lack of maintenance of their public utilities. I rode the tram recently in Kolkata. The trains are so old you wonder how they keep it moving. Same as the railways. But they function, somehow. 4. Their military seem quite professional and disciplined. I visited an area in Kolkata, where they have their military base. Very pristine and well-kept. I was told they have the base laid out extensively underground and they even have bunkers and aircraft hangers underground. 5. I don't know about the quality of their education. But a lot of their colleges look like those distance learning mushroom schools in Lagos and elsewhere in Naija. of course they have some quality institutions, but most of them look run down. I did visit IIT in Bangalore. Not bad . . . but no MIT sha. Summary is, India is just like Nigeria. A country of too many contrasts. That's through my eyes 1 Like |
Re: Nigeria Exports Religion, India Exports Cars by Mckybarf(m): 10:11pm On Oct 23, 2012 |
berem: So wetin make we do now? After writing this long sermon,the OP couldn't profer solution? Mtscheeew!if i read well i think is read somewhere that each one of us start by cleaning our little corners and if that isnt a step towards the solution then i dont know what is. There is a say that goes 'be the change that you wish to see'. Simply put, it begins every individual at grassroot level. 1 Like |
Re: Nigeria Exports Religion, India Exports Cars by SisiKill1: 10:41pm On Oct 23, 2012 |
AjanleKoko: Lol! Was taking a jab at them thieving pastors (What can I say. . .I can't resist. ) Of the two. . .Nigerian Pastors and Indian Car Companies, the former is the only one who makes money from fleecing people. Hence the. . .Silly me, I thought twas a discussion about who has made more money fleecing people for personal gain |
Re: Nigeria Exports Religion, India Exports Cars by SmartCount(m): 12:12am On Oct 24, 2012 |
tatiana009: You re the only person that has said something reasonable to me beside the topic in this thread. All we need is total re-orientation. If everybody try to do the right thing the society will b a better place for all. In addition if we can also channel most of the energy in proliferating churches and mosques all over the place, I believe we will get it right in terms of industrialisation and other economic-booming ventures. 1 Like |
Re: Nigeria Exports Religion, India Exports Cars by SmartCount(m): 12:13am On Oct 24, 2012 |
tatiana009: You re the only person that has said something reasonable to me beside the topic in this thread. All we need is total re-orientation. If everybody try to do the right thing the society will b a better place for all. In addition if we can also channel most of the energy we use in proliferating churches and mosques all over the place, I believe we will get it right in terms of industrialisation and other economic-booming ventures. |
Re: Nigeria Exports Religion, India Exports Cars by Gudiza(m): 3:42am On Oct 24, 2012 |
haka_nai: Rubbish!!!Why sight only the negative vices exported by Nigerian Muslims?if only you sighted that the Nigerian Muslims go to Saudi in the international Quranic recitation and come back victorious then i would have seen sense than the rubbish of Denmark example. while at the same time you fail to sight the numerous scam by Nigerian churches even in the USA and Ukraine. In as much,your story makes alot of sense i think even yourself is driven by our greatest killer ethno-religious hooliganism/phobia... I understand your concerns but I find it funny that you labeled the entire article 'rubbish' (because you decided to dwell on a non-issue that had no swing to the general theme of the article), only to make useful contibutions at the end. You get the general idea....I don't think that was intended. You could have plainly enlightened him and then had your say. It was a balanced take in my view, long but interesting. ALL countries (including India) have domestic issues, corruption is everywhere but Nigeria seems to excel solely in this department at its own detriment. So all hands must be on deck (hate to use that cliche these days) to carry everyone along and provide a level playing ground. Having just watched a repeat of yesterdays US Presidential Debate, I think this CUNTry just lacks Identity & Vision. Total N-F-A! Solution: Rule of Law, Good Institutions. yinchar: ....our problem in this country, we attach everything to God, a student that fails and exam will shout GOD! why me...whereas when his mates are working hard hes playing, and besides God does not have anything to do with evil, most Nigerians are evil, even some religious people, you cant trust them with anything, India is a country you will find a mosque beside a shrine and they live in peace and harmony and they love their country to the heart....when good people keeps quiet & do nothing, its an invitation for bad people to thrive.... bigass: ......you don't need God to know that that what is morally right is right and wrong, wrong......God has given us Brains to Use for our development.......religion is for your salvation not for the development of your country. Religion is the opium of the poor and anti-innovations, it finds reasons for everything and makes people to place there expectation on hope and miracles instead of hard work and intellectualism. we need to be realists Nigeria will not change by any Miracle from the Almighty but by our collective hardwork and brilliance. YoU COrrecT. |
Re: Nigeria Exports Religion, India Exports Cars by Nobody: 4:57am On Oct 24, 2012 |
AjanleKoko: if my memeory serves, those range rovers are now indian cars - tata bought them over two years ago |
Re: Nigeria Exports Religion, India Exports Cars by ektbear: 5:59am On Oct 24, 2012 |
oyb: Correct. Land Rover is a British car manufacturer with its headquarters in Gaydon, Warwickshire, United Kingdom which specialises in four-wheel-drive vehicles. It has been owned by the Indian company Tata Motors since 2008, forming part of their Jaguar Land Rover (JLR) group.[4] It is the second oldest four-wheel-drive car brand in the world (after Jeep).[5] |
Re: Nigeria Exports Religion, India Exports Cars by ghettodreamz(m): 6:23am On Oct 24, 2012 |
Nigerians talk talk and debates won't amount to anything. All we need is action and not just words. Faith without deeds is absolutely DEAD. James 2:16, Above all we need GOD in our land, with man all these might seem impossible, obviously Rome wasn't built in a day but a step at a time does it. For with God all things are possible, that's all I know. Matthew 19:26 |
Re: Nigeria Exports Religion, India Exports Cars by Nobody: 7:51am On Oct 24, 2012 |
ghettodreamz: Nigerians talk talk and debates won't amount to anything. All we need is action and not just words. Faith without deeds is absolutely DEAD. James 2:16, Above all we need GOD in our land, with man all these might seem impossible, obviously Rome wasn't built in a day but a step at a time does it. For with God all things are possible, that's all I know. Matthew 19:26 The indians don't believe in this God you speak of. . . neither do the Chinese, Koreans, japanese. . . Your post speaks to the topic - too much praying and no doing |
Re: Nigeria Exports Religion, India Exports Cars by Nobody: 8:03am On Oct 24, 2012 |
AjanleKoko: I knew you had it in you to be as objective this latest appraisal suggests, thanks for the indulgence. Oct 08, 2012Source |
Re: Nigeria Exports Religion, India Exports Cars by ektbear: 9:00am On Oct 24, 2012 |
@AjanleKolo: The IITs are amazing. At least, judging by the average quality of their graduates who I have met before. Some of these good developing world universities will not have facilities on par with say those in the US or UK, but will still have a very academically strong student body...they can compete with anyone in the world. 1 Like |
Re: Nigeria Exports Religion, India Exports Cars by Venchy: 12:28pm On Oct 24, 2012 |
haka_nai: Rubbish!!!Why sight only the negative vices exported by Nigerian Muslims?if only you sighted that the Nigerian Muslims go to Saudi in the international Quranic recitation and come back victorious then i would have seen sense than the rubbish of Denmark example. while at the same time you fail to sight the numerous scam by Nigerian churches even in the USA and Ukraine. In as much,your story makes alot of sense i think even yourself is driven by our greatest killer ethno-religious hooliganism/phobia. Why do you have to deviate from this vital point, there's .no particular person or tribe that's been PICKED ON but pointing out were the problem of NIGERIA as a country lies. It's very simple, we need to CHANGE THE WAY WE REASON and embark on the basic things rather than Fucking about and running after materialistic things. Right now, we have to start the change before we ruin ourselves with all this borrowed RELIGION... Mind you I'm also a Muslim and SAUDI ARABIA has never been part of all the MADNESS as this guy said. Northern Muslim are been brainwashed and the Christian Leaders are into money Making..... This is not working, Imam and pastors need to READ the right part of the Holy book to us and our CRIMINAL AND MATERIALISTIC LEADERS. |
Re: Nigeria Exports Religion, India Exports Cars by AfroBlue(m): 12:40pm On Oct 24, 2012 |
Re: Nigeria Exports Religion, India Exports Cars by Katsumoto: 1:13pm On Oct 24, 2012 |
AjanleKoko: In terms of education, Indian schools are ranked higher than Nigerian schools. The Indian Institute of Management is ranked 11th and the Indian School of Business 20th by the Financial Times in the Global MBA rankings. Where were your Nigerian schools? You conducted a fair assessment but your patriotism wouldn't let you realize that India, for all its problems, is light years ahead of Nigeria. This blinded patriotism is one of the issues in Nigeria. They have nothing to boast of yet they want to be heard. The writer is correct, apart from exporting yeye religion, there isn't a single industry in which Nigeria bests India. 1 Like |
Re: Nigeria Exports Religion, India Exports Cars by AjanleKoko: 2:29pm On Oct 24, 2012 |
Katsumoto: Now that hurt Is it a crime to be patriotic |
Re: Nigeria Exports Religion, India Exports Cars by Nobody: 2:46pm On Oct 24, 2012 |
AjanleKoko: Comrade Ajanlekoko, But one need not be blinded by patriotism, no? I say this because good conscience dictates that we critique articles like the thought-provoking which forms the basis of this thread objectively. We owe ourselves at least this much, less we be accused of intellectual dishonesty. |
Re: Nigeria Exports Religion, India Exports Cars by AjanleKoko: 3:08pm On Oct 24, 2012 |
eGuerrilla: Not at all. I don't consider myself to be blinded by patriotism. You can look through my posts. However . . . we need to do a proper appraisal of our situation, rather than engage in sentimental comparisons. Do you know, some Nigerians these days believe that even Ghana or Benin Republic is better than Nigeria! And we make it look like Nigeria hasn't achieved anything. That isn't entirely true. In fact I would say we have slipped back, but we can't continue with the self-condemnation. We may not be an achieving nation, but we all carry that stigma, including those of us who live abroad. Anybody who associates with us cannot exempt themselves. |
Re: Nigeria Exports Religion, India Exports Cars by Horus(m): 3:41pm On Oct 24, 2012 |
Afro_Blue: warning spicy language .... vid is topic related Excellent video, every Nairalanders should watch it. |
Re: Nigeria Exports Religion, India Exports Cars by ektbear: 9:02pm On Oct 24, 2012 |
Katsumoto: Is it, though? India seems to be better at the top end of things (education, industry, etc), and probably a better place for your typical university graduate. However, the lot of your average man is nearly identical in both countries, is it not? |
Re: Nigeria Exports Religion, India Exports Cars by Wadeoye(m): 9:06pm On Oct 24, 2012 |
Nigerians are lazy people... hiding behind religion to cheat and make a living instead of doing the hardwork that can make us control the world economy. |
Re: Nigeria Exports Religion, India Exports Cars by Katsumoto: 12:08am On Oct 25, 2012 |
ekt_bear: I don't like subjective debates that produce statements like 'Nigeria looks like India'. Lets use publicly available data instead. If we use the Human Development Index, India trumps Nigeria. http://hdr.undp.org/en/statistics/ If we use GDP PPP, India trumps Nigeria http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28PPP%29_per_capita India is world leader in frugal innovation. It has many innovations in medicine and telecoms that are being used to better the lives of folks in rural areas. GE is one the western firms that is capitalizing on these innovations in medicine. Tata is producing the worlds cheapest car, the Tata Nano, which is enabling many families to acquire cars. There are many other examples I could give. Juxtapose all these with huge revenues that Nigeria makes from a wasting asset, a natural resource, and one will conclude that Nigeria is a disappointment. Articles about India are usually centered around growth rate in emerging countries, service industries, India entrepreneurs buying global brands in England, etc but instead Nigeria is mentioned in the same sentence as Somalia and Pakistan. |
Re: Nigeria Exports Religion, India Exports Cars by Katsumoto: 12:15am On Oct 25, 2012 |
AjanleKoko: You can criticize India for its infrastructure when you compare it with China or other amenities with Western nations. But please, don't bring Nigeria into it. As for patriotism, I have found that Nigeria's professionals seem to believe that Nigeria is making progress simply because they are getting on. People who do well in society tend to be patriotic. But they are a minority. |
Re: Nigeria Exports Religion, India Exports Cars by ektbear: 2:30am On Oct 25, 2012 |
Interesting. Nigeria nominal GDP/capita data is comparable to that of India (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28PPP%29_per_capita) but using PPP there is a big gap between India and Nigeria. From your links (http://hdrstats.undp.org/en/countries/profiles/NGA.html and http://hdrstats.undp.org/en/countries/profiles/IND.html), India ranked 134 in HDI, and Nigeria 156. Healthcare seems to be what is dragging Nigeria down....life expectancy of ~52 at birth for a Nigerian, 65 for an Indian. Interestingly enough, Nigeria leads slightly in average years of education for adults (5 versus 4.4). So I suppose one can argue, assuming that the PPP/capita and HDI data is reasonable accurate, that the lot of your typical Nigerian is worse than that of your typical Indian. But not substantially so I think....being ranked 134 versus being ranked 156 probably isn't a huge difference qualitatively. |
Re: Nigeria Exports Religion, India Exports Cars by Katsumoto: 2:51am On Oct 25, 2012 |
ekt_bear: Interesting. Agreed but the point was that despite the poverty in India, it still does better than resource-rich Nigeria in Human development terms. When we include performance in global industries, the gap is much wider. When you look at the HDI table, you will observe that Nigeria is the lowest ranked Oil exporting nation despite being the 7th largest oil exporter in the world. Angola which fought a war for 27 years is ranked higher than Nigeria despite only ending its civil war in 2002. That is a big shame. Nigeria is the big fool of Africa. To put oil revenues into context, Iron ore is the second biggest commodity traded but it is worth less than a tenth of the $3 trillion of oil traded every year. |
Re: Nigeria Exports Religion, India Exports Cars by ektbear: 3:07am On Oct 25, 2012 |
I agree that Nigeria is a tremendous disappointment and failure. I also agree that the trajectory of countries like India seems more promising than that of Nigeria. India will probably develop more rapidly over the course of the next 50 years than Nigeria will, yes. But all I am saying is that despite this, as of right now, the lot of your average guy in India isn't much better. Let us not be fooled by the IITs into thinking that every Indian is an IITer; your average Indian is a stark illiterate. Let us not be fooled by the success of Tata, Wipro, etc into thinking that the average Indian is a savvy businessman; your average Indian is probably an impoverished farmer in the bush somewhere. |
Re: Nigeria Exports Religion, India Exports Cars by Katsumoto: 3:09am On Oct 25, 2012 |
ekt_bear: I agree that Nigeria is a tremendous disappointment and failure. Ok |
Re: Nigeria Exports Religion, India Exports Cars by ektbear: 3:10am On Oct 25, 2012 |
Katsumoto: Angola produces lots of oil and has a small population (~20 million), though. So, it makes sense that in a short period of time they'd be able to rapidly climb up the rankings. |
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