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Re: Was Man Originally Created To Live & Die Or Live Forever? by truthislight: 11:43pm On Dec 04, 2012 |
obadiah777: NOTHING CONFUSING IN REINCARNATION. YOUR SPIRIT LIVES FOREVER BUT YOUR BODY DOES NOT. SO YOU KEEP COMING BACK TO EARTH IN A NEW BODY AFTER PERIODS OF REST IN THE SPIRIT WORLD. SIMPLE AS THAT rubbish. |
Re: Was Man Originally Created To Live & Die Or Live Forever? by truthislight: 11:48pm On Dec 04, 2012 |
obadiah777: SERIALLINK >>>> WORLD WAR 3 BREWING >>>> https://www.nairaland.com/1122160/iran-captures-intruding-us-drone EXACTLY AS THE BIBLE SAID IT WILL START WITH IRAN ( MEDES-PERSIA ) AND BABYLON ( AMERICA ) am surprise am still on this thread. |
Re: Was Man Originally Created To Live & Die Or Live Forever? by Nobody: 11:48pm On Dec 04, 2012 |
truthislight:i am easting my time here too |
Re: Was Man Originally Created To Live & Die Or Live Forever? by Nobody: 11:54pm On Dec 04, 2012 |
truthislight:we are just going to have to agree to disagree. when you get into the kingdom of heaven on earth and find out that the human body is still not immortal, na dat time you go sabi say khakhi no be leather |
Re: Was Man Originally Created To Live & Die Or Live Forever? by Nobody: 11:58pm On Dec 04, 2012 |
truthislight:like i said, go into the book of isaiah 65. it describes the kingdom of heaven. doesnt say nothing about immortality of the body. says you live a longer life before you die. |
Re: Was Man Originally Created To Live & Die Or Live Forever? by Nobody: 12:02am On Dec 05, 2012 |
truthislight: -ADAM WAS NOT A SPIRIT. THE NAME ADAM COMES FROM THE HEBREW ADAMAH WHICH MEANS ' MADE FROM THE GROUND'. -SPIRITS ARE NOT CREATED TO LIVE ON PLANET EARTH. -HEAVEN WAS PLANET EARTH BEFORE IT GOT TURNED INTO HELL -YES THE EARTH WAS MADE FOR THE SONS OF MEN -GOD DOES NOT MAKE MISTAKES. WHEN IN BODY YOU RESIDE ON EARTH WHEN THE BODY DETACHES FROM THE SOUL, THE SPIRIT RESIDES IN THE SPIRITUAL REALM -DONT KNOW WHAT ROSICRUCIAN IS. ALL I READ IS THE BIBLE. IN THE BIBLE IS THE WHOLE GODHEAD |
Re: Was Man Originally Created To Live & Die Or Live Forever? by Nobody: 12:05am On Dec 05, 2012 |
truthislight:ALL BIBLICAL. NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH RUTH. I DONT READ ANY OTHER ACCOMPANYING BOOKS. STRICTLY KJV |
Re: Was Man Originally Created To Live & Die Or Live Forever? by truthislight: 12:23am On Dec 05, 2012 |
obadiah777: like i said, go into the book of isaiah 65. it describes the kingdom of heaven. doesnt say nothing about immortality of the body. says you live a longer life before you die. there is a difference between everlastig life and immortality. i did just explained this on the archAngel's thread not quite long ago. Human dont need to be immoral to have everlasting life. Are the angels immortal? No. But they have everlasting life. There are lot more you need to learn. |
Re: Was Man Originally Created To Live & Die Or Live Forever? by Nobody: 12:27am On Dec 05, 2012 |
truthislight:AND WHATS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN EVERLASTING LIFE AND IMMORTALITY SINCE YOU ARE SUCH A GENIUS ? SEEING AS HOW 'ANGELS ARE NOT IMMORTAL BUT HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE'. YOU MUST BE DRUNK ON ALOMO BITTERS |
Re: Was Man Originally Created To Live & Die Or Live Forever? by truthislight: 1:20am On Dec 05, 2012 |
obadiah777: AND WHATS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN EVERLASTING LIFE AND IMMORTALITY SINCE YOU ARE SUCH A GENIUS ? SEEING AS HOW 'ANGELS ARE NOT IMMORTAL BUT HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE'. YOU MUST BE DRUNK ON ALOMO BITTERS what? Then you lose. I will not do that here. You can only get that by reading the full 26page archangel thread. Lol. Next time exercise patience. 1 Like |
Re: Was Man Originally Created To Live & Die Or Live Forever? by Ubenedictus(m): 1:35am On Dec 05, 2012 |
obadiah777: YOU DO ERR TRUTHISLIGHT. THE MAN IS HIS SPIRIT NOT HIS BODY. HIS BODY IS JUST DUST ( JOHN 6 VS 63 ). WHEN THE BIBLE REFERS TO ETERNAL LIFE, IT IS NOT TALKING ABOUT THE BODY. IT IS TALKING ABOUT THE SPIRIT. NO HUMAN BODY IS MADE TO LIVE FOREVER. SAYS IN THE BOOK OF ISAIAH THAT IN THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN WE WILL LIVE TO BE AS OLD AS TREES BEFORE WE PASS ON. PHYSICAL FLESH IS NOT MADE TO BE IMMORTAL. THE SPIRIT IS YOU AND SERIALLINK JUST WAN LIVE FOREVER SHA. UNA TOO ENJOY SUYA AND PEPPERSOUP. UNA NO WAN LET GO. HOWEVER WE WILL LIVE TO 1000 IN THE KINGDOM ( METHUSELAHS AGE RANGE IS THE ORIGINAL AGE RANGE OF MAN BEFORE IT GOT CUT DOWN TO 120 YEARS ( GENESIS 6 VS 3 ) BECAUSE OF SINobadiah i thought methusela was actually after adam sinned, it doesn't seem like a good yard stick to measure d age range before adam's sin. Wha'd ya say? 1 Like |
Re: Was Man Originally Created To Live & Die Or Live Forever? by Ubenedictus(m): 1:37am On Dec 05, 2012 |
truthislight:good points! |
Re: Was Man Originally Created To Live & Die Or Live Forever? by Nobody: 6:45am On Dec 05, 2012 |
truthislight:I AINT READING NO 26 PAGE THREAD |
Re: Was Man Originally Created To Live & Die Or Live Forever? by Nobody: 6:49am On Dec 05, 2012 |
Ubenedictus: obadiah i thought methusela was actually after adam sinned, it doesn't seem like a good yard stick to measure d age range before adam's sin. Wha'd ya say?METHUSELAH WAS AFTER ADAMS ( CHAPTER 5 ) SIN BUT THE AGE REDUCTION DECISION HAPPENED ALL THE WAY IN CHAPTER 6. MEANING HE CONTENDED WITH MANS FOLLY AND VANITY FOR A WHILE |
Re: Was Man Originally Created To Live & Die Or Live Forever? by Nobody: 6:59am On Dec 05, 2012 |
TRUTHISLIGHT ? YOU WILL LIVE TILL 1000 YEARS IN THE KINGDOM. THATS ENOUGH TIME TO ENJOY ALL THE SUYA AND OFE ONUGBU AND EFO RIRO AND TUWO NDAWA YOU WANT. TRY AND BE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT TIME-SPAN. IT IS FAR BETTER THAN THE AVERAGE OF 80 YEARS WE LIVE NOW |
Re: Was Man Originally Created To Live & Die Or Live Forever? by Nobody: 7:08am On Dec 05, 2012 |
truthislight: Bro truthislight. I get your point. So, you are saying those who died in Sodom & Gomorrah have received their judgement in full and wouldn't be resurrected for judgement but cease to exist forever? What about those who heard the gospel but rejected and died in their sins, will their 'death' also be considered wages for their sins? Or will they be resurrected for judgement? I understand your stance. But you should have put the explanation this way: that 'death' is the wages of Adamic sin, which is a general thing! However, the judgement after resurrection would be based on what you did before death and not based on Adamic sin! |
Re: Was Man Originally Created To Live & Die Or Live Forever? by Ubenedictus(m): 11:10am On Dec 05, 2012 |
obadiah777: TRUTHISLIGHT ? YOU WILL LIVE TILL 1000 YEARS IN THE KINGDOM. THATS ENOUGH TIME TO ENJOY ALL THE SUYA AND OFE ONUGBU AND EFO RIRO AND TUWO NDAWA YOU WANT. TRY AND BE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT TIME-SPAN. IT IS FAR BETTER THAN THE AVERAGE OF 80 YEARS WE LIVE NOWi thought "hades" is thrown into d lake of fire, so there wont be "hades" in the kingdom, or may i ask what kingdom u are talking about? 1 Like |
Re: Was Man Originally Created To Live & Die Or Live Forever? by truthislight: 11:32am On Dec 05, 2012 |
obadiah777: TRUTHISLIGHT ? YOU WILL LIVE TILL 1000 YEARS IN THE KINGDOM. THATS ENOUGH TIME TO ENJOY ALL THE SUYA AND OFE ONUGBU AND EFO RIRO AND TUWO NDAWA YOU WANT. TRY AND BE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT TIME-SPAN. IT IS FAR BETTER THAN THE AVERAGE OF 80 YEARS WE LIVE NOW the bible says that "God has put eternity into human heart" ecclessiates 3:11 NIV. So, even a beautiful life of 1000yrs cannot satisfy the urge for life that Yahweh put into humans. Will Yahweh put into human heart something he will not give to them? No Yahweh is righteouse. If you are ask to pick a day that you will like to die which day will you pick? (choose a day lets see) 1 Like |
Re: Was Man Originally Created To Live & Die Or Live Forever? by Ubenedictus(m): 11:35am On Dec 05, 2012 |
truthislight:intarasting! Obadiah, wha'd ya say, a 1000yrs old paradise is enuf eternity? |
Re: Was Man Originally Created To Live & Die Or Live Forever? by truthislight: 12:22pm On Dec 05, 2012 |
seriallink: seriallink: i dont know what you understand in my post going from what you have posted up there. Yahweh killed those in sodom and Gormorah. It is him that has the final say on them. seriallink:yes, wages for Adamic sin. But they heard the gospel about the christ and rejected it including the promise of a kingdom by God, what are they being resurrected for? Is entering the king by force or by choice? seriallink: Or will they be resurrected for judgement? the Resurection is for the benefit of those that had done the will of Yahweh and those that have not heard about the Good news about the christ. Those that have heard and rejected IS they have already made a fundamental choice. "this choice of theirs based on freewill is the basis of their Judgment. Since they have heard and rejected it, they are the same like those that will hear about it at the end of this system and say no to it and will be destroyed. They will not be resurected again since the reason for Resurection is what they have rejected while they were alive. seriallink:it is the wages of Adamic sin that death payed for alright. But not all those that died that will be resurected. Expercailly when they have head about the Goodnews about the christ already. Ultimately, Yahweh knows all the circumstances that people face and he has the final say. seriallink: No no no !!! Not what you did befor death but rather on what, how you respond and what you do during the 1000yrs. Romans 6:7 "he that has died is acquitted/free from sin" on coming out = clean slate. the death that we die pays for Adamic sin. On Resurection we are freed from our past doing that was due to Adam. Adam sin led to the death. This coming back has nothing to do with Adam and those coming back dont have guilt hanging on them. Freed, acquitted. If i steal a car and was sent to one year in prison, after serving the sentence of 1year prison term, on coming out will i still pay for the car i had stolen? No. The judgement day is simply to give all people an equal opurtunity, a short at everlasting life, even those that had died befor christ came. Isaiah 65:20 and Isaiah 26:9,10 applies then. "With my soul have I desired thee in the night; yea, with my spirit within me will I seek thee early: for when thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness." (Isaiah 26:9). "Let favour be shewed to the wicked, yet will he not learn righteousness: in the land of uprightness will he deal unjustly, and will not behold the majesty of the LORD." (Isaiah 26:10). "There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed." (Isaiah 65:20). Peace 1 Like |
Re: Was Man Originally Created To Live & Die Or Live Forever? by truthislight: 12:23pm On Dec 05, 2012 |
Ubenedictus: i thought "hades" is thrown into d lake of fire, so there wont be "hades" in the kingdom, or may i ask what kingdom u are talking about? thank you. |
Re: Was Man Originally Created To Live & Die Or Live Forever? by truthislight: 12:36pm On Dec 05, 2012 |
truthislight: *edited* |
Re: Was Man Originally Created To Live & Die Or Live Forever? by Nobody: 12:49pm On Dec 05, 2012 |
Ubenedictus: i thought "hades" is thrown into d lake of fire, so there wont be "hades" in the kingdom, or may i ask what kingdom u are talking about?HADES IS GRAVE. GRAVE = BURIAL PLACE OF DEAD SPIRITS. NO HADES = EVERYONE WILL BE SPIRITUALLY ALIVE. NO MORE SPIRITUAL DEATH. THERE CANT BE SPIRITUAL DEATH WITH CHRIST BEING AMONGST US ALL ISAIAH 37 VS 12 <<<< SPIRITUALLY DEAD PEOPLE IN THE GRAVE ( NOT PHYSICAL GRAVE. SPIRITUAL GRAVE ). IN FACT READ THE WHOLE EZEKIEL CHAPTER 37 ABOUT THE VALLEY OF DRY BONES. |
Re: Was Man Originally Created To Live & Die Or Live Forever? by Nobody: 12:53pm On Dec 05, 2012 |
truthislight:TRUTHISLIGHT I SEE WHY YOU ARE ALWAYS CONFUSED. YOU READ THE WRONG BIBLE. NIV IS GARBAGE CORRUPTED BIBLE. THAT YOUR VERSE IN KJV ECCLESIASTES 3 VS 11 He hath made every thing beautiful in his time: also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end. <<< DOESNT SAY NOTHING ABOUT ETERNITY. BE CAREFUL NOT TO READ THE WRONG BIBLE |
Re: Was Man Originally Created To Live & Die Or Live Forever? by Nobody: 12:55pm On Dec 05, 2012 |
Ubenedictus: intarasting! Obadiah, wha'd ya say, a 1000yrs old paradise is enuf eternity?<<<< HE READ THE NIV BIBLE. THATS A FAKE CORRUPTED BIBLE. DOES NOT SAY ETERNAL IN THE ORIGINAL BIBLE. |
Re: Was Man Originally Created To Live & Die Or Live Forever? by Nobody: 12:56pm On Dec 05, 2012 |
truthislight: Thank you, that makes a lot sense brah. I do not believe in eternal torture/torment in hell, so it makes a lot of sense to say people who do not believe in Yahweh or have heard and rejected it would cease to exist when they die and there wouldn't be judgement for them because they've already made their choices, eg logicboy, muskeeto, advocate666, manmustwac and the rest We are on the same page now brah. The only part I'd like to understand now is the judgement for those who were not opportune to hear the gospel before they died. Are they going to be resurrected for judgement or be resurrected and given the chance to make their choices? Peace! |
Re: Was Man Originally Created To Live & Die Or Live Forever? by truthislight: 2:57pm On Dec 05, 2012 |
obadiah777: HADES IS GRAVE. GRAVE = BURIAL PLACE OF DEAD SPIRITS. NO HADES = EVERYONE WILL BE SPIRITUALLY ALIVE. NO MORE SPIRITUAL DEATH. THERE CANT BE SPIRITUAL DEATH WITH CHRIST BEING AMONGST US ALL lol. Spiritually dead people have a grave? What a west? Where is the grave located? I just wander how people build a theory out of nothing. Why did all dead turned to "spiritual dead" to you but everlasting life turn to literal eternal life? Should it not be "spiritual everlasting life"? *sigh* 1 Like |
Re: Was Man Originally Created To Live & Die Or Live Forever? by truthislight: 3:00pm On Dec 05, 2012 |
obadiah777: TRUTHISLIGHT I SEE WHY YOU ARE ALWAYS CONFUSED. YOU READ THE WRONG BIBLE. NIV IS GARBAGE CORRUPTED BIBLE. THAT YOUR VERSE IN KJV what understanding did you get from that quote there? If the world have been set in the heart of man is it not obvious that man just wish to keep living on and on in the world? Who then is in actuality confused? 1 Like |
Re: Was Man Originally Created To Live & Die Or Live Forever? by truthislight: 3:15pm On Dec 05, 2012 |
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Re: Was Man Originally Created To Live & Die Or Live Forever? by truthislight: 3:29pm On Dec 05, 2012 |
seriallink: good you are seeing the beauty of Yahweh that false religion has covered in the mud. seriallink: they fall among the unrighteouse that will be resurected to life. The reason for there Resurection is the 1000ys Judgment. Note : the are freed from there sin on being resurected as such there is no basis for them to be damned immediately. But will first be instructed about the christ from the scroll that will be opened. Rev. 20:12. So, their Resurection is a Resurection to judgement. Peace 1 Like |
Re: Was Man Originally Created To Live & Die Or Live Forever? by Nobody: 3:37pm On Dec 05, 2012 |
truthislight:READ EZEKIEL CHAPTER 37. YES DEAD SPIRITS HAVE GRAVES <<< SYMBOLIC. THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE WALKING AROUND WITH DEAD SPIRITS. THEIR SPIRITS ARE IN THE GRAVE EZEKIEL 37 VS 12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel. <<<< SPIRITUAL GRAVE |
Re: Was Man Originally Created To Live & Die Or Live Forever? by Nobody: 3:40pm On Dec 05, 2012 |
truthislight: ECCLESIASTES 3 VS 11 He hath made every thing beautiful in his time: also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end WHAT I GET FROM THAT VERSE IS THAT YOU WOULD NOT KNOW WHAT YOU DID IN PAST LIFE. YOUR MEMORY IS RESTRICTED TO THIS LIFE YOU ARE LIVING. YOU CANT KNOW THE FULL WORK OF GOD FROM BEGINNING TO END. YOU ARE RESTRICTED IN KNOWLEDGE TO THIS WORLD YOU ARE LIVING IN NOW, THIS LIFE-TIME. THATS WHAT THAT VERSE MEANS. YOUR MEMORY IS STAMPED WITH THE CURRENT LIFETIME YOU ARE IN. OTHER LIFETIMES YOU WILL HAVE NO MEMORY OF. |
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