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Re: Disagreements As Ribadu Committee Submits Report by taharqa: 11:35am On Nov 03, 2012 |
iwanchop: Check dis out Orosanye nd Oti were both appointed Chairman NNPC nd Director of Finance after d Ribadu committe was constituted,were they nt suppose to resign as members of d committee?They were both fighting for their pockets...i leant Orosanye did not attend d commitee s meetings,so what was he talking about?I hv correctd this b4. The committee only lookd at d Oil sector from 2002-2011; the 2 people you listd were appointd about 2 months (at least am sure of Oronsaye), whateva went on b4 d end of 2011 does not concern them. Plz get yr 'facts' right, sm ppl who just wish to learn about what is going on may be reading yr comment |
Re: Disagreements As Ribadu Committee Submits Report by takedat(m): 11:35am On Nov 03, 2012 |
iwanchop: Check dis out Orosanye nd Oti were both appointed Chairman NNPC nd Director of Finance after d Ribadu committe was constituted,were they nt suppose to resign as members of d committee?They were both fighting for their pockets...i leant Orosanye did not attend d commitee s meetings,so what was he talking about?You are right. According to Ribadu, the only time Orosanye took part in the assignment was when he came to serve as front for a company. Ribadu said: He (Oronsaye) was not at the inauguration and he never participated in the deliberations of the committee. The only time he came was when we wanted to start deliberations on recovery and he came on behalf of one company, Addax Petroleum, which is owing $1.5 billion. "That was the only time he came. In fact, he scuttled the payment of the $1.5 billion. The next thing, he was appointed into the board of NNPC, in addition to being a board member of CBN." www.thisdaylive.com/articles/discordant-tune-ribadu-oronsaye-scuttled-payment-of-1-5bn-to-govt/129524/ |
Re: Disagreements As Ribadu Committee Submits Report by ExGuerrilla: 11:52am On Nov 03, 2012 |
Gbawe: @Gbawe, that piece of drama was no more than an interlude in a long-running play of larger theatrical proportions. It comes as no real surprise that the likes of Frank-C and his co-traveller, Billyonaire, are quick to impugn a sleight-of-hand approach where there is a small matter of probity, yet again. It is staying true to form, and nothing less was expected. Discerning Nigerians owe it to themselves to ask: of what good is the essence of a man who is "one of the most principled, process based and fearless civil servant this country ever had", if he attaches no value to attending committee meetings to steward a probe of National importance? Is it fair to describe Orasanya as anything but a 5th columnist, whose sole purpose was to suppress any unfavourable findings, once we listen to the 15-min audio recording of the actual presentation? I would leave it up to NLers to judge for themselves: http://snd.sc/Yxvmwn |
Re: Disagreements As Ribadu Committee Submits Report by Gbawe: 11:53am On Nov 03, 2012 |
take dat: You are right. According to Ribadu, the only time Orosanyi took part in the assignment was when he came to serve as front for a company. My brother, look at how our ultra-corrupt AGF and Aondoakaa on steroids (Adoke Bello) is deployed and it is obvious what the Government is about. Let us not even begin to delve into the many antics of this government that, without any doubt, indicate a compromised mien and an unwillingness to tackle graft. It will be interesting to see what is made of this report. Ribadu has done what was asked of him even if others were not sincere to begin with. How many recommendations from numerous committees, requiring tough and fundamentally reforming actions, has the GEJ Government implemented? What was the reward for the Presidential advisory committee that submitted a report directing GEJ to cut profligacy, waste and bloated Governance? GEJ promptly disbanded said committee , after their public show of 'intransigence', to announce glibly and callously that "leaner government not possible" !!!! Let us wait and see if a Leopard changes it spot or if a Stone can produce water. 1 Like |
Re: Disagreements As Ribadu Committee Submits Report by Reference(m): 11:55am On Nov 03, 2012 |
You guys have covered all the bases. Nothing to more to say. This is just institutional and judicial round tripping. Nothing much will come out of this. When athletes double as referees match fixing is the order of the day. Yet another reason why corruption cannot be eradicated in Nigeria. |
Re: Disagreements As Ribadu Committee Submits Report by Remii(m): 12:14pm On Nov 03, 2012 |
iwanchop: Check dis out Orosanye nd Oti were both appointed Chairman NNPC nd Director of Finance after d Ribadu committe was constituted,were they nt suppose to resign as members of d committee?They were both fighting for their pockets...i leant Orosanye did not attend d commitee s meetings,so what was he talking about? take dat: You are right. According to Ribadu, the only time Orosanye took part in the assignment was when he came to serve as front for a company. if he did not attend the meeting and he queried the modus operandi of the committee, he came in when critical actions about to be taken, this means there may be more moles in the committee who were working for him and for the same purpose, somebody who attended the committee meetings must be feeding back to him. |
Re: Disagreements As Ribadu Committee Submits Report by oojjaayy(m): 12:15pm On Nov 03, 2012 |
Nigeria we must always b nigerians.nufin good can come out of nazareth. Ribadu againm blind man leading blind man.we wish u ppl well. This report will still go lyk odas if at all dia is a repoprt in d first place |
Re: Disagreements As Ribadu Committee Submits Report by AkinDavid2: 12:26pm On Nov 03, 2012 |
take dat: PM news again, stop feeding your day with news from publicity seeking publications...I hope you didn't forget Ajimobi saga 1 Like |
Re: Disagreements As Ribadu Committee Submits Report by takedat(m): 12:37pm On Nov 03, 2012 |
Remii:The first committee member who came out to discredit the report was a certain George Ikoli, a former Attorney General in Bayelsa state. Coincidentally that is where both GEJ and Diezani comes from. Bernard Otti has been in the system ie NNPC for a long time and he is definitely part of the rot. These two together with Orosanye were "planted" in the committee |
Re: Disagreements As Ribadu Committee Submits Report by omowolewa: 12:39pm On Nov 03, 2012 |
PIB! The legislative solution to Executive mess in Petroleum industry. Approve it!! 1 Like |
Re: Disagreements As Ribadu Committee Submits Report by takedat(m): 12:41pm On Nov 03, 2012 |
Akin-David:I only posted what I saw, its left for the minister to challenge their publication if what was published against her is a lie. |
Re: Disagreements As Ribadu Committee Submits Report by adedayo07: 12:48pm On Nov 03, 2012 |
Can any tangible thing come out of this regime?. There is no work, no light, no food, no security of lives and properties, petrol price is killing, corrupting is at the highest level, the committee's reports were never implemented. They kept on setting committee upon committee without any achievement. This regime is only wasting our time and resourses. It is a pity.Can any tangible thing come out of this regime?. There is no work, no light, no food, no security of lives and properties, petrol price is killing, corrupting is at the highest level, the committee's reports were never implemented. They kept on setting committee upon committee without any achievement. This regime is only wasting our time and resourses. It is a pity.Can any tangible thing come out of this regime?. There is no work, no light, no food, no security of lives and properties, petrol price is killing, corrupting is at the highest level, the committee's reports were never implemented. They kept on setting committee upon committee without any achievement. This regime is only wasting our time and resourses. It is a pity. |
Re: Disagreements As Ribadu Committee Submits Report by takedat(m): 12:49pm On Nov 03, 2012 |
omowolewa: PIB!The PIB alone won't solve this mess. The most important thing is for the President to muster enough political will to deal with these crises. All the past and present government have benefited from the rot. Let's see if GEJ can deny himself the slush fund that NNPC remits to the presidency. Just as Ribadu told him that the ball is now in his court |
Re: Disagreements As Ribadu Committee Submits Report by drnoel: 12:52pm On Nov 03, 2012 |
looks like they have played Rhibadu again for a fool..but if it was like this, why did they not send the committe back to the drawin boards so that they can agree on something they can use. Its obvious they wanted to discredit the report from the beginning by making caricature of the situation. |
Re: Disagreements As Ribadu Committee Submits Report by taharqa: 1:05pm On Nov 03, 2012 |
take dat: The PIB alone won't solve this mess. The most important thing is for the President to muster enough political will to deal with crises. Just as Ribadu told him that the ball is now in his courtJust out of interest, want do you want the President to do? Plz list them.... Do you know that most of d recommendatns of dis committee are in the PIB bill that has been sitting tight in d national assembly for more 3 months? Were we not all (including myself i must confess) making a lot of noise and almost swearing down on d President's head to send dis bill to the national assembly? While the sudden SILENCE from us now dat the bill has bn sent to d national assembly and they hv only 'introducd' (1st reading) even when they promisd 'acceleratd' hearing? Why do we as Nigerians seem content at making a lot of noise and pointing our fingers at odas while we chicken out when d real solutions are to be made?... Just wondering?? |
Re: Disagreements As Ribadu Committee Submits Report by Nobody: 1:20pm On Nov 03, 2012 |
See as GEJ the look the minister una sure the guy no dey hemmer am ? |
Re: Disagreements As Ribadu Committee Submits Report by takedat(m): 1:22pm On Nov 03, 2012 |
taharqa: Just at of interest, want do you want the President to do? Plz list them.... Do you know that most of d recommendatns of dis committee are in the PIB bill that has been sitting tight in d national assembly for more 3 months? Were we not all (including myself i must confess) making a lot of noise and almost swearing down on d President's head to send dis bill to the national assembly? While the sudden SILENCE from us now dat the bill has bn sent to d national assembly and they hv only 'introducd' (1st reading) even when they promisd 'acceleratd' hearing? Why do we as Nigerians seem content at making a lot of noise and pointing our fingers at odas while we chicken out when d real solutions are to be made?... Just wondering??The PIB is an executive bill, eventhough the NA seem to be stalling, shouldn't the executive lobby for its passage? If it was budget appropriation nobody will remind the executive to lobby for an accelerated hearing and quick passage. |
Re: Disagreements As Ribadu Committee Submits Report by ayox2003: 1:36pm On Nov 03, 2012 |
Let's not jugde now. But I'll choose Ribadu over Steve Orosanye and our President when it comes to justice and "war" against corruption. Blame GEJ not. Atleast let's hear the real truth. Frawzey |
Re: Disagreements As Ribadu Committee Submits Report by Kolababa: 1:42pm On Nov 03, 2012 |
The same government of Jonathan that appointed Ribadu is the same government that appointed Oronsaye into the committee to frustrate the effort of Ribadu. That probe of Petroleum Sector Jonathan did was not to sincerely to sanitise the sector but was a done to divert attantion away from the subsidy removal. Oronsanye and some others were planted there to scuttle the work of that committee. This is the reason Buhari said than he wont serve in any capacity umder corrupt PDP government. |
Re: Disagreements As Ribadu Committee Submits Report by omosexy1: 1:42pm On Nov 03, 2012 |
taharqa: My God! Guy take it easy, he was just appointd into the board of d NNPC in say about 2months, while the committee terms coverd 2002-2011- it does not directly affect him at all..... By d way, many of u still have the impression that this was a Probe of d Oil industry, well it actuali was not. Its main purpose was to look at the Payment system and Flow dynamics bw d Nigeria state (lead by NNPC) and d Oil companies, and the findings was that we have been using for decades a BAD BAD system that leaves Nigeria shortagd; it was within dis opaque system that all kinds of corruptn took and takes place. Far-reaching Systems reforms hv be recommended and that is what is important. The report didnt actuali indict anyone expect for the Signature bonuses of those 7 discretory licenses which has not been reconcild (which was said to be 'missing'- dont know what d Final report concluded on this issue though). If the President wants to track down those people who took advantage of d system to line their pockets (and there certainly were many), he wud have to involvd EFCC and track them from 2011 down to d 1970s perhaps (or he could decide to focus on 2002-2011). If he wants to do that, Good luck to him..... Mine is the National Assembly shld pass d PIB bill b4 d end of d year, it is the best and surest way of completely reforming dat DARK sector My brother God bless you, people are commenting without any knowledge of what the committee was actually set up to do. Oil Multinationals are taking away our money and they are not paying us royalties. Revenue leakages in the oil industry and someone wants to tell me that GEJ would not implement the report. My only fear is the PIB, I hear some multinationals are influencing the bill, some are not comfortable with the bill. Like GEJ said yesterday, we have to ensure that activities in the Oil Industry are up to best-practices else these guys will abandon us since other African countries are already discovering oil. However, before they do, they have to pay for all unpaid royalties, damages to our sea beds due to oil exploration. |
Re: Disagreements As Ribadu Committee Submits Report by bokohalal(m): 1:44pm On Nov 03, 2012 |
chemashie: Another opportunity to dump the committee‘s report & rubbish ribadu. Each time you think we are about to catch a thief and/or strenghtened our fight against corruption, some funny things usually crop up to prevent its occurence. Steve orosanye is now the mole in this committee planted to discredit the whole exercise just like farouk Vs Otedola. Oronsaye cannot be cajoled,induced or threatened! |
Re: Disagreements As Ribadu Committee Submits Report by thelastPope(m): 1:48pm On Nov 03, 2012 |
One thing I do not agree with is the idea that the anti corruption fight is about sending people to jail. If you want to start to dig out the past and send people to jail, this country will not move forward in the next 50 years. This was the major mistake the military officers made in 1966. If you are going to kill people, you have to kill them all. If you don't kill them all, you will end up with civil war just like we had in 1967! The same mistake Gideon Orkah made in 1990 that led to the failure of the coup. Now, it is even most difficult because the population of the country has grown and the leadership structure has also grown. If we are going to focus on sending people to jail now for the past, we will achieve nothing but chaos. Why? Because the tribal, partisan, socio-cultural and religious divide is far too complex for that kind of drive. To think that just last year, people came together to choose presidential candidate based on tribes or geopolitical groups is proof enough that we will not achieve anything with that drive. Even NL, though not a true reflection of grassroot Nigeria, does support my point. I say this to say that one of the good thing about this committee and its report is the fact that Nigerians will become more aware about what has been going on in the oil industry for ages. The reason those criminal activities have been on over the years is mainly down to the secrecy that was prevalent there. Now that information is coming to light, I can assure you that 60% to 70% of the problem is already solved. Already, Nigeria will pay far less subsidy this year than what was paid last year and the year before just because the subsidy issue came to light. We must support these committees and their reports because it is a big first step to solving the whole mess. Forget about the disagreements among the committee members. It is actually healthy for them to disagree. If they didn't disagree, I would have suspected the whole committee was compromised. On Ribadu, I think he is a dynamic man who wishes to do well for Nigeria but from first hand information of his days in EFCC, the guy has zero leadership skills. Especially as regards bureaucratic structures and processes. That is why I never supported him for president. He needs probably another few years to mature but I think he is one of our future leaders in this country. Unlike El Rufai, Sanusi and Buhari, he is not so tribal. (Everyone is tribal to a small degree). The president has done the mature thing. Now we can block some more loop holes and believe me, ask people in Abuja, government money is not flowing as usual and people (especially politicians e.g. NASS members) are not happy at all at all. What some of us need to do is to develop advocacy tools from these information coming out. We must build advocacy groups that will mount pressure on government to continue to be transparent at all levels. I know this is difficult to achieve because of the partisan nature of many here. 1 Like |
Re: Disagreements As Ribadu Committee Submits Report by taharqa: 1:52pm On Nov 03, 2012 |
take dat: The PIB is an executive bill, eventhough the NA seem to be stalling, shouldn't the executive lobby for its passage? If it was budget appropriation nobody will remind the executive to lobby for an accelerated hearing and quick passage.Okay. So you are willy to organise, hold meetings, make lots of noise and quite frankly 'blackmail' the executive (for some persons d 'price' was always d President's head and not just d executive per say) to send an extremely important bill, part of which wud provide sm light to a sector that has always bn DARK, inefficient and corrupt, to d NA ; BUT afta that same executive (sorry d President) plays its part and sent d bill to d National Assembly, you are willy to be SILENT over smthing which u hv bn arguing is extremely important to you, and then afta 'waiting' for a long time as it continues its sojourn in d NA, turn around to continue accusing the executive (president) of not 'lobbing' d National Assembly enough to do their jobs (which ordinarily is law making)? So what happend to all d 'activism' just b4 the bill was sent to d NA, or only d President is meant to be put under scrutiny, right? How about continuing d pressure until d bill is passd? What were our original goal: to criticize d President Or to clean up a sector by getting a bill passd? Do you know the many powerful interests (including international ones) stalkd against dat bill?..... What was it I was saying about 'us' Nigerians bn content in pointing fingers and making noise while we chicken out when the solution is at stake, just there within our grasp? |
Re: Disagreements As Ribadu Committee Submits Report by omowolewa: 2:00pm On Nov 03, 2012 |
take dat: The PIB alone won't solve this mess. The most important thing is for the President to muster enough political will to deal with these crises. All the past and present government have benefited from the rot. Let's see if GEJ can deny himself the slush fund that NNPC remits to the presidency. Yes but it will be the platform on which the excutive can execute the petroleum laws and as well prosecute offenders. Try to get it and read through. PIB without 'executive will' may be useless but NASS can take it up on the executive if they fail to execute the law. |
Re: Disagreements As Ribadu Committee Submits Report by greaterlove(m): 2:35pm On Nov 03, 2012 |
thelastPope: One thing I do not agree with is the idea that the anti corruption fight is about sending people to jail. If you want to start to dig out the past and send people to jail, this country will not move forward in the next 50 years. This was the major mistake the military officers made in 1966. If you are going to kill people, you have to kill them all. If you don't kill them all, you will end up with civil war just like we had in 1967! The same mistake Gideon Orkah made in 1990 that led to the failure of the coup. Now, it is even most difficult because the population of the country has grown and the leadership structure has also grown. If we are going to focus on sending people to jail now for the past, we will achieve nothing but chaos. Why? Because the tribal, partisan, socio-cultural and religious divide is far too complex for that kind of drive. To think that just last year, people came together to choose presidential candidate based on tribes or geopolitical groups is proof enough that we will not achieve anything with that drive. Even NL, though not a true reflection of grassroot Nigeria, does support my point.thelastpope, where have you been? how are you doing? my good friend in naija politics but not my friend in american politics. i love this your post, 1000000 likes from me.#4 more years for obama. |
Re: Disagreements As Ribadu Committee Submits Report by Nobody: 2:52pm On Nov 03, 2012 |
I like the third picture as the first and second look like traffic at Total fuel station, Agege. |
Re: Disagreements As Ribadu Committee Submits Report by nagoma(m): 3:20pm On Nov 03, 2012 |
Remii: Nigeria we hail thee, Farookgate diluted Subsidy probe now Orosanye is about to mess Ribadu report, when will Nigeria stop this "pencil and eraser" design? really sad. Yes design. I believe Orosanye is settled by the powers that be. |
Re: Disagreements As Ribadu Committee Submits Report by Nuezha(m): 4:41pm On Nov 03, 2012 |
Prof Corruption: GEJ has managed to plant a mole in the committee. So much for this president who is completely corrupt. What the hell is Steve Oronsaye ranting about? What prevents him from writing a minority report? Billyonaire: In every clime, there is always a room for conspiracy theorists. You are short of words but not short of lies. Congratulations for being a Prof of Corruption and lies!Una dey quarrel before? |
Re: Disagreements As Ribadu Committee Submits Report by Nuezha(m): 4:49pm On Nov 03, 2012 |
Frank-C:We know better... Nairaland may have been fluxed by infants but we know the facts when we read one. Apology...this ain't one! Oransaye has been 'bought' to frustrate the birth of a good report, he kept himself perpetually absent so as to hold a strong reason against Ribadu. |
Re: Disagreements As Ribadu Committee Submits Report by thelastPope(m): 5:02pm On Nov 03, 2012 |
greaterlove: Thank you my brother. Lets keep fighting for Nigeria. E go better! |
Re: Disagreements As Ribadu Committee Submits Report by FrankC3: 6:07pm On Nov 03, 2012 |
thelastPope: One thing I do not agree with is the idea that the anti corruption fight is about sending people to jail. If you want to start to dig out the past and send people to jail, this country will not move forward in the next 50 years. This was the major mistake the military officers made in 1966. If you are going to kill people, you have to kill them all. If you don't kill them all, you will end up with civil war just like we had in 1967! The same mistake Gideon Orkah made in 1990 that led to the failure of the coup. Now, it is even most difficult because the population of the country has grown and the leadership structure has also grown. If we are going to focus on sending people to jail now for the past, we will achieve nothing but chaos. Why? Because the tribal, partisan, socio-cultural and religious divide is far too complex for that kind of drive. To think that just last year, people came together to choose presidential candidate based on tribes or geopolitical groups is proof enough that we will not achieve anything with that drive. Even NL, though not a true reflection of grassroot Nigeria, does support my point.Very few have the intellectual depth to understand this very point i have always repeated to friends, and sincerely, this is one of the reasons why I am rooting for Jonathan after supporting Atiku during PDP primaries. GEJ's anti-corruption war is idea driven, not braggado driven. Anyway, there are categories of GEJ bashers- one group belong to 'Lie' Mohammed and CPC team who believe that the only way the fortune of their party can increase is if GEJ is run down. More of the former than the later. They don't really understand the meaning of opposition. The other groups are the deceived youths who have been frustrated by the system and taken to pessimism. To them, every thing happening out there is scam, they are not sure of anything, their father, themselves or even their names and they vent it on the visible symbol of authority they can identify. The others are just ethnic warriors who think that GEJ have diminished the chances of their ethnic group being there, hence they curse and swear and insult... All in all, any normal human being that take 10mins to think about the best anti-corruption strategy will agree what you jus posted there. 1 Like |
Re: Disagreements As Ribadu Committee Submits Report by tatosh: 7:07pm On Nov 03, 2012 |
Look at the fake smile on Diezanis face |
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