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Re: Does Chauvinism Generate Successful And Happy Relationships? by mashnino(m): 11:24pm On Nov 04, 2012
you see, my broda..

i am a muslim..

so please.. i take GOD beg you

no drag me enta religion arguements

cos we all know dre's one GOD and i still can't phantom why the world is the way it is.

Humans know good from bad that's why GOD gave us choices and as you have said that the bible said
you never to maltreat or divorce your wife.

so does the quran said and i am sure the atheist and Hinduism will agree to that...

so pls.. talk from ya mind..no quoting
Re: Does Chauvinism Generate Successful And Happy Relationships? by mashnino(m): 11:25pm On Nov 04, 2012
50calibre:

First of all, I will relish giving her the silent treatment.

NOTED!

EHEN....
Re: Does Chauvinism Generate Successful And Happy Relationships? by Nobody: 11:25pm On Nov 04, 2012
cdamsel: nd some1 liked dis?

Y wldnt I get marriedit def won't b a white man either

It wld b 1 who wld respect my views just as much as I wld respect his,he wld accept my views if it is d beta 1 & I wld step aside wen he is making a beta judgement

I wish u both d marriages u desire,4 me God knows wat I am looking 4,which by d way I ve found already tongue
SHIKENA

Thank God for you. Wedding bells!!!
Re: Does Chauvinism Generate Successful And Happy Relationships? by Mynd44: 11:26pm On Nov 04, 2012
50calibre:

No she wouldn't kill herself, she will learn that unconditional obedience and submission is very nice.
You would live better under an Arabian government so you will feel the pinch of what you wanna dish out
Re: Does Chauvinism Generate Successful And Happy Relationships? by ballabriggs: 11:30pm On Nov 04, 2012
Yes of course, it does. Especially in Naija where babes no like pampering.

Naija babes need man wey go dey break bottle for their head. tongue tongue tongue

hehehehe Wahala dey O
Re: Does Chauvinism Generate Successful And Happy Relationships? by Nobody: 11:37pm On Nov 04, 2012
Mynd_44:
Another silly comment. The bible clearly said that when your life is threatened in a marriage or in cases of infidelity, divorce is justified.
You are quick to pull the bible and yet you don't really know much in it

Oga, i quoted only a passage of the bible, so that doesnt make me silly. For you, go ahead and divorce ur wife. Azz licker.
Re: Does Chauvinism Generate Successful And Happy Relationships? by Mynd44: 11:40pm On Nov 04, 2012
okpara ugo:

Oga, i quoted only a passage of the bible, so that doesnt make me silly. For you, go ahead and divorce ur wife. Azz licker.
So quick to forget his own comment. You said the bible did not say one should divorce/maltreat your spouse. Go to the latter part of page 5 it is there
Re: Does Chauvinism Generate Successful And Happy Relationships? by Nobody: 11:41pm On Nov 04, 2012
Mrs.Chima:


You are right not every man is Mr. Chima because he is a man that knows his role and handles his house. He doesn't need to treat me like his child and treats me like his wife. He demands respect while he give respect. He doesn't need to quote bibles, korans, and torahs just to get his needs met. He simply inform me of his needs and ask me of my needs and we equally please one another.

When my husband speaks...I listen and when I speak..he listen and we come to an understanding of where we should go and no drama ensue for we have communicated our opinions and nothing beats an united front. If he makes a great point...he receive 100% support from me and if I see something that is not realistic...I will voice my opinion because any decisions my husband make...affect the whole family. I have every right to voice my opinion if I must accept the aftermath of his decisions.

So you are right...not all men are like Mr. Chima. Not all ladies can be blessed with such man. wink wink


Sorry for making you write this long speech. It's almost 12am here. What is ur time
Re: Does Chauvinism Generate Successful And Happy Relationships? by Nuzo1(m): 11:55pm On Nov 04, 2012
Mrs.Chima:
Does chauvinism generate successful and happy relationships?

There are loads of slobbering boys slithering all over Nairaland crying that feminism is the reason why relationships and marriages are failing. Even said feminism is the reason why a man upper cut a woman on the bus! undecided Now bear in mind...the lady spit on the driver after being told repeatedly to get off the bus. That is a classic example of ignorance to the tenth degree.

It is important that we know proper definitions of words we are going to use in our arguments because it can make us look like a fool. With that being said...chauvinism is when male group think they are superior/better than the female group.

Let compare the difference between chauvinism, feminism, misandry, and misogynism.

Chauvinism=(read the definition in bold) A man thinks that he is better than his female counterparts in every attributes and doesn't value her input. Is that something that you want in your relationship ladies?

This would have made a good debate, but it seems your intents of asking the question is already biased and thereby malicious. Otherwise, you will know that chauvinism goes both ways. It is not just a male trait except you are talking about "male chauvinism" here.

So, to set the records straight; chauvinism is the act or idea of feeling superior over a male or female.

You also showed your bias intents by directing the question to the female folks only.

Mrs.Chima:

Feminism=is an organized activity on women rights and interests. When did fighting for female-human rights is a lesbian and misandry event Why would a woman in her right man settle for less than equality when nothing in life is promised to her? what happens if the man dies and how would she support herself? You already see threads asking is it okay to date a widow?!! Come on!

Misandry=hatred for men (Misandrist do not interact nor have sexual relationship with men)

Misogynism-hatred for women (Misogynist do not interact nor have sexual relationship with women)

You got the definition of feminism right. And I support the idea in its entirety if its what its suppose to be; gender equality.
However, some female have become so biased and carried away that they begin to discriminate. That's when it turns to sexism....just like in reversed racism.

No rational being will support reversed sexism in the mould of feminism.

Mrs.Chima:

Now that we have the proper definition of all four words....does chauvinism generate successful and happy relationships?

Why do you think some men feel threatened by women knowing and fighting for their rights as human being? Do you think that it is the end of male superiority? Do you think low self esteem and lack of trust play a great part in failing relationships?

Does chauvinism generate successful and happy relationships....the point of the question is because some people are saying feminism is the reason why relationships are failing. Do you agree or disagree?


Now that we've established that you are talking about male chauvinism, I will be precise and straight to the point.

The answer is yes and no.

A. Yes, because of loads of factors people have mentioned here.

1. Cultural factor: The world we met and lived in for decades have cultural traits that support male chauvinism e.g payment of dowry, being solely dependent on the man even when the female partner may be earning higher than the man.

2. Historical factors: Before the inventions of machines and electronics that limit humans from using more of physical to mental power, men has always dominated the seat of power as a result of their physical power. War, hunting and farming comes to mind.

3. Religious factors: Our various Holy books have to a large extent delegated more power to men over their female counterparts. And if one is to practice these religions to the core; you cannot but either support or throw a blind eye to male chauvinism.

4. Reproductive factors: Women may be said to be kinder, more forgiven and more vulnerable than males. These traits tends to increase when they begin to reproduce. After carrying a baby for 9 months in their embryo; they may compromise on the way they are being treated for the sake of the baby.

5. Masochism: For some reasons known and unknown to us, most women derive pleasure in being bossed around. This might come in mild or forceful manner. But very true.

Any sudden change in the above mentioned norms will automatically pack up most relationship.

B. No, because some men don't like the idea of chauvinism and would rather have their partners bring to the table equal contributions. It can only take a smart couple to achieve success in such relationship.

Finally, as new ideas and inventions come up and we evolve into new persons, generations....Relationships, partnerships and marriages will be collapsing at an alarming rate if men refuse to recognize that they need to change as times fly. On the other hand, women should know when they have crossed the line between feminism and sexism!

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Re: Does Chauvinism Generate Successful And Happy Relationships? by MrsChima(f): 11:59pm On Nov 04, 2012
50calibre:

No she wouldn't kill herself, she will learn that unconditional obedience and submission is very nice.

According to YOU.

No man deserve unconditional obedience and submission but the Most high and not all men earn the right to be given unconditional obedience and submission especially if he is a fool.

There is nothing worse than a fool submitting and obeying a fool.
Re: Does Chauvinism Generate Successful And Happy Relationships? by Caseless: 12:00am On Nov 05, 2012
carefreewannabe:

What does the title Mrs imply to you? Just asking.
typical of nigerians....they answer question with a question. Allow mrs chima to answer the question...
Re: Does Chauvinism Generate Successful And Happy Relationships? by MrsChima(f): 12:04am On Nov 05, 2012
Nuzo':


This would have made a good debate, but it seems your intents of asking the question is already biased and thereby malicious. Otherwise, you will know that chauvinism goes both ways. It is not just a male trait except you are talking about "male chauvinism" here.

So, to set the records straight; chauvinism is the act or idea of feeling superior over a male or female.

You also show your bias by directing the question to the female folks only.



You got the definition of feminism right. And I support the idea in its entirety if its what its suppose to be; gender equality.
However, some female have become so biased and carried away that they begin to discriminate. That's when it turns to sexism....just like in reversed racism.

No rational being will support reversed sexism in the mould of feminism.



Now that we've established that you are talking about male chauvinism, I will be precise and straight to the point.

The answer is yes and no.

A. Yes, because of loads of factors people have mentioned here.

1. Cultural factor: The world we met and lived in for decades have cultural traits that support male chauvinism e.g payment of dowry, being solely dependent on the man even when the female partner may be earning higher than the man.

2. Historical factors: Before the inventions of machines and electronics that limit humans from using more of physical to mental power, men has always dominated the seat of power as a result of their physical power. War, hunting and farming comes to mind.

3. Religious factors: Our various Holy books have to a large extent delegated more power to men over their female counterparts. And if one is to practice these religions to the core; you cannot but either support or throw a blind eye to male chauvinism.

4. Reproductive factors: Women may be said to be kinder, more forgiven and more vulnerable than males. These traits tends to increase when they begin to reproduce. After carrying a baby for 9 months in their embryo; they may compromise on the way they are being treated for the sake of the baby.

5. Masochism: For some reasons known and unknown to us, most women derive pleasure in being bossed around. This might come in mild or forceful manner. But very true.

Any sudden change in the above mentioned norms will automatically pack up most relationship.

B. No, because some men don't like the idea of chauvinism and would rather have their partners bring to the table equal contributions. It can only take a smart couple to achieve success in such relationship.

Finally, as new ideas and inventions come up and we evolve into new persons, generations; relationships, partnerships and marriages will be collapsing at an alarming rate if men refuses to recognize that they need to change as times fly. On the other hand, women should know when they have crossed the line between feminism and sexism!

You obvious didn't read the whole thread...but it is okay...I expected half azzed comments. Secondly...what are your opinions without the holy books?

I have read the bible and the only thing I saw was head of a Christian family...what does that have to do with those who are not Christians? Now let me ask the question again....Does chauvinism create successful and happy relationships.

If I am asking women a question wouldn't I be talking about male chauvinism I am not touching on the subject of homosexuality..right now let focus on heterosexuality.
Re: Does Chauvinism Generate Successful And Happy Relationships? by MrsChima(f): 12:09am On Nov 05, 2012
caseless: typical of nigerians....they answer question with a question. Allow mrs chima to answer the question...

No need...she did a great job.
Re: Does Chauvinism Generate Successful And Happy Relationships? by MrsChima(f): 12:11am On Nov 05, 2012
okpara ugo:


Sorry for making you write this long speech. It's almost 12am here. What is ur time

Sorry for making you read something that stunned you. I am in a different time zone. Think about it.
Re: Does Chauvinism Generate Successful And Happy Relationships? by MrsChima(f): 12:12am On Nov 05, 2012
okpara ugo:

Oga, i quoted only a passage of the bible, so that doesnt make me silly. For you, go ahead and divorce ur wife. Azz licker.

Better an azz licker than nuts guzzler.
Re: Does Chauvinism Generate Successful And Happy Relationships? by MrsChima(f): 12:17am On Nov 05, 2012
Mynd_44:
Another silly comment. The bible clearly said that when your life is threatened in a marriage or in cases of infidelity, divorce is justified.
You are quick to pull the bible and yet you don't really know much in it

You are right...It is in the book of Matthews...I was arguing with some devout Christians the other day...I was like how can you call yourself a Christian and YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT YOUR BIBLE SAID? grin grin grin

They swore up and down that the bible didn't speak about divorce and when I threw the verses at them that supports divorce in the case of a, b, and c. They were like damn how did you know? DUH! grin grin grin
Re: Does Chauvinism Generate Successful And Happy Relationships? by Nuzo1(m): 12:17am On Nov 05, 2012
Mrs.Chima:


You obvious didn't read the whole thread...but it is okay...I expected half azzed comments. Secondly...what are your opinions without the holy books?

I have read the bible and the only thing I saw was head of a Christian family...what does that have to do with those who are not Christians? Now let me ask the question again....Does chauvinism create successful and happy relationships.

If I am asking women a question wouldn't I be talking about male chauvinism I am not touching on the subject of homosexuality..right now let focus on heterosexuality.

For you to have replied my post immediately means you are a very fast reader and writer. I commend you for that.
However, for you to ask me the question of which I've provided answers to means you are either not good in comprehending things or you are just trying to be unnecessarily mischievous. You not seeing other factors aside from religion, and also bringing in homosexuality from nowhere baffles me. Do you understand the meaning of sexism?
Re: Does Chauvinism Generate Successful And Happy Relationships? by Mynd44: 12:19am On Nov 05, 2012
Mrs.Chima:


You are right...It is in the book of Matthews...I was arguing with some devout Christians the other day...I was like how can you call yourself a Christian and YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT YOUR BIBLE SAID? grin grin grin

They swore up and down that the bible didn't speak about divorce and when I threw the verses at them that supports divorce in the case of a, b, and c. They were like damn how did you know? DUH! grin grin grin
Sometimes I feel like slapping some Christians
Re: Does Chauvinism Generate Successful And Happy Relationships? by 50calibre(m): 12:20am On Nov 05, 2012
Mrs.Chima:


According to YOU.

No man deserve unconditional obedience and submission but the Most high and not all men earn the right to be given unconditional obedience and submission especially if he is a fool.

There is nothing worse than a fool submitting and obeying a fool.

I hope you practise this your policy? I once had a girlfriend who believed the same thing, she felt rebellion meant she was smart and knew her rights but by the time I had finished disciplining her, she became too obedient that if I had said " drink poison" she would have.
Re: Does Chauvinism Generate Successful And Happy Relationships? by MrsChima(f): 12:21am On Nov 05, 2012
Mynd_44:
So eager to pull the bible outta the hat. Who made that quote in the bible? I can bet it was an apostle and not God himself or Christ which simply means I would take it as an advice and not a command.
What is wrong with people sef? It is the same as your pastor saying something in church. The words of the apostles are their personal opinions about the issue.
ying.....

People better start reading things for themselves instead of taking people's words for what it is. Religious folks DO NOT LIKE DEBATING WITH ME because I would read their books and kill them with their own books! grin grin

The main reason I was able to killed them with their own books is because they were repeating what their pastors said! grin
Re: Does Chauvinism Generate Successful And Happy Relationships? by MrsChima(f): 12:24am On Nov 05, 2012
50calibre:

I hope you practise this your policy? I once had a girlfriend who believed the same thing, she felt rebellion meant she was smart and knew her rights but by the time I had finished disciplining her, she became too obedient that if I had said " drink poison" she would have.

What policy are you referring to? I didn't state any personal policies.

First of all...were you dating a child or a woman? Because you said discipline and what grown azz man discipline a grown azz woman I forgot screwing with minors are acceptable in Nigeria. I digress.

Secondly...what rights were she fighting for in NIGERIA?!!!!!!!
Re: Does Chauvinism Generate Successful And Happy Relationships? by Mynd44: 12:24am On Nov 05, 2012
Mrs.Chima:
ying.....

People better start reading things for themselves instead of taking people's words for what it is. Religious folks DO NOT LIKE DEBATING WITH ME because I would read their books and kill them with their own books! grin grin

The main reason I was able to killed them with their own books is because they were repeating what their pastors said! grin
They don't even read their own books. Which is the most annoying part of everything
Re: Does Chauvinism Generate Successful And Happy Relationships? by MrsChima(f): 12:27am On Nov 05, 2012
Nuzo':


For you to have replied my post immediately means you are a very fast reader and writer. I commend you for that.
However, for you to ask me the question of which I've provided answers to means you are either not good in comprehending things or you are just trying to be unnecessarily mischievous. You not seeing other factors aside from religion, and also bringing in homosexuality from nowhere baffles me. Do you understand the meaning of sexism?

You didn't answer my question. Let me repeat my question again...what are YOUR PERSONAL opinions without the holy books?

If you do not want to answer...that is okay...the world will still spin.
Re: Does Chauvinism Generate Successful And Happy Relationships? by 50calibre(m): 12:44am On Nov 05, 2012
Mrs.Chima:


What policy are you referring to? I didn't state any personal policies.

First of all...were you dating a child or a woman? Because you said discipline and what grown azz man discipline a grown azz woman I forgot screwing with minors are acceptable in Nigeria. I digress.

Secondly...what rights were she fighting for in NIGERIA?!!!!!!!


Your policy of male-female equality. First of all, i don't get involved with minors and it didnt even happen in nigeria so that's out of the way.

Speaking of discipline, I hope you aren't getting the wrong picture. I'm not talking about the school type, discipline can mean any measure(s) that is designed to make sure a person never repeats the same mistake, even in large organizations or companies, their is discipline.
Re: Does Chauvinism Generate Successful And Happy Relationships? by Nuzo1(m): 12:55am On Nov 05, 2012
Mrs.Chima:


You didn't answer my question. Let me repeat my question again...what are YOUR PERSONAL opinions without the holy books?

If you do not want to answer...that is okay...the world will still spin.

Why are you emphasizing on non inclusion of the holy books when I mentioned 5 other factors. Do I come across to you as a religious fanatic?

As per my personal opinion, if you were unable to read the entirety of my first comment on this thread, you should have at least read the last paragraph. There lies my personal opinion. However, this thread is not about my personal opinion but to establish whether male chauvinism generates successful relationships or not. I didn't only provide the answers, I gave you reasons for the answers.

The world will still spin if there wasn't Nairaland, not to talk of this thread.
Re: Does Chauvinism Generate Successful And Happy Relationships? by MrsChima(f): 12:57am On Nov 05, 2012
Nuzo':


Why are you emphasizing on non inclusion of the holy books when I mentioned 5 other factors. Do I come across to you as a religious fanatic?

As per my personal opinion, if you were unable to read the entirety of my first comment on this thread, you should have at least read the last paragraph. There lies my personal opinion. However, this thread is not about my personal opinion but to establish whether male chauvinism generates successful relationships. I didn't only provide the answers, I gave you reasons for the answers.

The world will still spin if there wasn't Nairaland, not to talk of this thread.

A long diatribe and still no answer to my question. Let me record....As The World Turns.
Re: Does Chauvinism Generate Successful And Happy Relationships? by nacksonjoe: 1:06am On Nov 05, 2012
Mynd_44:
Another silly comment. The bible clearly said that when your life is threatened in a marriage or in cases of infidelity, divorce is justified.
You are quick to pull the bible and yet you don't really know much in it
Mynd_44:
Another silly comment. The bible clearly said that when your life is threatened in a marriage or in cases of infidelity, divorce is justified.
You are quick to pull the bible and yet you don't really know much in it
@Mynd and Mrs Chima what do u two have against christianity.The only place God supported divorce is at d case of infidelity.
God created woman out man and made man d head of the family and d woman the helper,meaning d woman should help d man in making decision for d family.But in a situation where d man don't want to take d woman's decision,she should be quiet like d bible said.And any reasonable man will always listen to his wife. Women in africa have the right to education,voting,freedom of speech and so on.Pls do not mislead women here to start fighting there husband when their opinion are not considered and also pls change frm d way u abuse and insult people on this platform.U r not showing a good example to other women reading this.The way things are in ur family will not be d way it will be in theirs.Thank you and God bless
Re: Does Chauvinism Generate Successful And Happy Relationships? by MrsChima(f): 1:09am On Nov 05, 2012
50calibre:

Your policy of male-female equality. First of all, i don't get involved with minors and it didnt even happen in nigeria so that's out of the way.

Speaking of discipline, I hope you aren't getting the wrong picture. I'm not talking about the school type, discipline can mean any measure(s) that is designed to make sure a person never repeats the same mistake, even in large organizations or companies, their is discipline.

You confused me with another chatter....NOTHING IN MY POSTS SPOKE OF MALE-FEMALE EQUALITY. However whomever the person that said it...I can understand it.

I am soooo glad that you don't get involved with minors! I was about to call my in-laws to warm them about the child snatchers on the loose.

According to 2012 dictionary....discipline is a training that molds or corrects a moral character and control gained by enforcing obedience and order. Is that what parents do to their CHILDREN

You want to pick another word/definition because you just sonned yourself.

LMAO@comparing relationships with large corporations! grin grin grin grin
Re: Does Chauvinism Generate Successful And Happy Relationships? by MrsChima(f): 1:13am On Nov 05, 2012
nacksonjoe:
@Mynd and Mrs Chima what do u two have against christianity.The only place God supported divorce is at d case of infidelity.
God created woman out man and made man d head of the family and d woman the helper,meaning d woman should help d man in making decision for d family.But in a situation where d man don't want to take d woman's decision,she should be quiet like d bible said.And any reasonable man will always listen to his wife. Women in africa have the right to education,voting,freedom of speech and so on.Pls do not mislead women here to start fighting there husband when their opinion are not considered and also pls change frm d way u abuse and insult people on this platform.U r not showing a good example to other women reading this.The way things are in ur family will not be d way it will be in theirs.Thank you and God bless

Did you read ANYTHING IN MY POST THAT STATED I HAVE ANYTHING AGAINST CHRISTIANITY IF I don't have anything against other religions...I wouldn't have anything against Christianity.

If Christians are going to talk out of turn and misquote their OWN BOOKS..I will correct them on it. If anyone got an issue with it...they can kiss my azz.
Re: Does Chauvinism Generate Successful And Happy Relationships? by roymary: 1:15am On Nov 05, 2012
Mrs.Chima:


If it is a lame question...why did you wasted your free time resplnding and then answered the question dumb azz


...Grammar is the grave of letters. You killed it grin
Re: Does Chauvinism Generate Successful And Happy Relationships? by MrsChima(f): 1:19am On Nov 05, 2012
roymary:

...Grammar is the grave of letters. You killed it grin

Just like your fat azz killed that stationary bike. grin grin grin grin grin
Re: Does Chauvinism Generate Successful And Happy Relationships? by 50calibre(m): 1:25am On Nov 05, 2012
Mrs.Chima:


You confused me with another chatter....NOTHING IN MY POSTS SPOKE OF MALE-FEMALE EQUALITY. However whomever the person that said it...I can understand it.

I am soooo glad that you don't get involved with minors! I was about to call my in-laws to warm them about the child snatchers on the loose.

According to 2012 dictionary....discipline is a training that molds or corrects a moral character and control
gained by enforcing obedience and order. Is that what parents do to their CHILDREN

You want to pick another word/definition because you
just sonned yourself.

LMAO@comparing relationships with large corporations! grin grin grin grin

Yes that what parents do to their kids but it is not limited to just the parent - children scene if you get my point.

Nobody is above discipline, be it a 50 year old or a 10 year old. Bosses discipline their surbodinates, presidents discipline members of his cabinet, lecturers discipline his/her students.

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