ileobatojo:

Do they have allowable sick time off work in the company policy? If not, why not? These are the labor issues in Nigeria that needs to be addressed. If she is allowed sick time, then the time off work to care for her child should be applied towards that, simple. That's how it's done in civilized countries!

If there is no sick policy, then dock her pay for the time gone. I never said it is by force to pay her for the time. To query her for caring for her hospitalized child after making a ridiculous, unrealistic demand is quite heartless.



Who ever said she has to draw a full salary? If it's reasonably outside of the time allowed for sick leave, then he can even fire her if he wants. But what is the difficulty in giving her even the one day off to care for her child? He was notified a day in advance but that was not enough, he still wanted her to come in to kiss his a*ss the next day abi? What nonsense. In larger companies in the US, such a woman can even take family, medical leave (FMLA) for which she can be off work for 3 months to address serious illness. The pay is usually graduated down over time.

Like I said, there has to be allowance in work places for people who are genuinely sick to have some job security for some time. Painful as it is for the employer to have someone out, people (and their families) do get sick!



My reason for blaming the boss is not necessarily for giving her a query, but for the reason for the query despite the fact he was notified the day before. If he is legally allowed to have a work place without employees having any recourse when sick, then he is not to blame for that. (that is an issue that needs to be addressed like I said). He was already notified the day before of a hospitalized child and her situation having no other help. How exactly did he expect her to make herself available for work? Why is he so dismissive of her situation? He should have asked for a doctor's note to be able to excuse her. That's what a reasonable boss should have done. I can't imaging calling in sick and be told to make myself available on the said sick day. What manner of rubbish is that? If he had asked her to find her own coverage, that would be a different thing.

davidylan:

She's free to go to court and waste her money there.

She should try being a stay at home mom. To work is not by force.

damiso:


The koko of the argument is that people do get sick.Simples.I appreciate that right and proper channels have to be followed but what of the child does indeed have a serious medical condition?My younger bro when he was 3 started off with malaria/flu symptoms and was later diagonised with measles.My mum and dad were in and out of hospital for about 8 weeks.

I have the opportunity to take up to 13 weeks unpaid parental leave in a year and that applies to anyone who has kids under 5 or dependant with disabilities.Funny enough i have up to 80 days paid sick leave(depedent on if its ongoing and so many other factors cant be calling in with flu for 80 days ) but i cant use them to care for my sick child.They are for when I am sick and not anyone else.I get everyone points about lazy employeess etc BUT i still believe labour and employee rights in Nigeria need more working on.

Iused to work on this team where in short my team leader was just a total plonker excuse my french.Very heartless and unnecessarily egoistical.I rarely called in sick but if you did na 21 questions.So it was largely feared to call in sick.You are dying you come in sick.So during the swine flu epidemic one of my colleagues actually had it and thought it was normal flu.Forced herself to come in.Voila as per open plan office and all with sneezing coughing touching the water dispenser she spread it.They had 7 people off in the next week.Thank God me i was on holiday so no carry join their germd .So was it not better for one person to call in sick than lose productivity of over half the team for more than a week? And swine flu was more dangerous for a pregnant person and i and one other of my colleagues were pregnant.As much as employees are measured in terms of productivity, employers should also think of their welfare.

ileobatojo:
Precisely the discriminately attitude against women in the work place the OP opened this thread to talk about.

Damiso: So during the swine flu epidemic one of my colleagues actually had it and thought it was normal flu.Forced herself to come in.Voila as per open plan office and all with sneezing coughing touching the water dispenser she spread it.They had 7 people off in the next week.Thank God me i was on holiday so no carry join their germd .So was it not better for one person to call in sick than lose productivity of over half the team for more than a week?

davidylan:

Precisely the reason i supported the boss in the first place. He would be accused of "discrimination" whatever he did. The workplace is there primarily for profit not to pay you to raise a family. She should stay home for good. chikena.

davidylan:
The idea of rubbishing nigeria all because we managed to get visa outside is just appalling.

davidylan:

I worked in nigeria, its employee rights particularly for govt workers is one of the most lenient the world over. Only in nigeria do you have government workers take off work at 1pm on friday because they want to pray.
Try starting a mid-day fellowship in your offices abroad.

The idea of rubbishing nigeria all because we managed to get visa outside is just appalling.

ileobatojo:
It's your prerogative to discriminate against women in the workplace. It's the women's to fight against it.

damiso:

Oga i am not rubbishing Nigeria.I worked in Nigeria and not in a government organisation.I am never one to rubbish Nigeria just cos i luve abroad.If you read my post you will see i said i dont understand taking time off for religious reasons.And please i did not manage to get a visa Na love believe me i would rather live where i had driver chaffeuring me to work and back instead of standing on a crowded train .

My point is labour laws need to be more defined.I know what is expected of me and also my rights.My boss in Nigeria wanted me to be working till 8-9pm everyday(not cause of some peculiar reason) when my contractual hours are 8 to 6.Ok but at least pay me overtime, No? Ok i can even sacrifice if deadlines need to be met but not when am sitting twiddling my thumbs forming busy but i cant leave cos you are in your office with one of your numerous girlfriends.Unfortunately for him i went back to photocopy my contract and showed him.Apart from him toasting me and always picking on me.He transfered me round Lagos in 6 months.Today uhhm i think you will work in costain.Uhhm i think Adeola Odeku should do.The man showed me ehn .But i was still not scared of him like 95% of his subordinates.Employees like him o.We had all rights but most were too scared to lose their jobs to stand up to him.

If it was here, meeen i would be smiling to the bankd.

davidylan:

I worked in nigeria, its employee rights particularly for govt workers is one of the most lenient the world over. Only in nigeria do you have government workers take off work at 1pm on friday because they want to pray.
Try starting a mid-day fellowship in your offices abroad.

The idea of rubbishing nigeria all because we managed to get visa outside is just appalling.

debrief08: Mrs. Manson, we like excuses sha.
You send a mail and follow up with calls. The mail is evidence and back up in case someone denies getting a call from you, do you go to MTN and ask for a call log?
The time we take to think up excuses we can equally take to do the right thing.

Government work is very lenient and people take undue advantage.

If you are efficient and demand things be done in order you are seen as "wicked' and a "slave driver" meanwhile let 10kobo be missing from their salary.
I wonder how some people in all good conscience collect salary, hakf of the time they are away from their desks.

greatgod2012:

its govt salary-paid job, though, he had done that b4 for a male colleague, who absconded for almost two weeks without informing anyone. Dont know why he treated dis woman differently.

coogar:

the boss should have docked her wages.....
it makes no sense to query her....unfortunately, employees have no rights in nigeria....they are all treated like shyte by the employers cos it's the employer's world out there. a colleague was telling me he cannot park his car where his boss parks - i was like wtf.....shouldn't this be a first come first serve issue?

bjcole: Bros leave matter 4 mathias, its disrespectful 2 park ur car where ur boss parks even Oyinbos know this

bjcole: This discussion is not just about what d woman ought to do & ought not to do. Lets talk more about how a married woman can joggle her carrier & her family well without any one suffering. Is it really possible? can a lady that works in a bank, wit kids & closes 6 or 7pm ve time 4 her family? I think Ladies shd knw when 2 go down low when family is involve. I m running after money, my wife is running after cash, @ whose expense? who takes care f d kids? house maids i guess. God help us.

coogar:

disrespectful? that's bullshyte!
in my office, anyone parks anywhere - it's a first come, first serve basis. only the disabled get some sorta priority. what kind of trash is such nonsense? nigeria needs me around to change some of the archaic laws they follow regarding employees.

coogar:

the boss should have docked her wages.....
it makes no sense to query her....unfortunately, employees have no rights in nigeria....they are all treated like shyte by the employers cos it's the employer's world out there. a colleague was telling me he cannot park his car where his boss parks - i was like wtf.....shouldn't this be a first come first serve issue?

jidegirl12:

You know that it's true for a fact....some firms have reserved parking for their directors and CEOs .( tow away enforced if you park there) ,,, don't start with your blind argument to derail this thread.

bjcole: Bros leave matter 4 mathias, its disrespectful 2 park ur car where ur boss parks even Oyinbos know this

debrief08: Lol, stay there you never begin hear things.
Sorry to say with some Nigerians nothing you no go hear.
I ask the married women and mothers who are fond of the "my child is sick" excuse if they think they are fair to their colleagues piling up work for them yet still coming to collect salary and not sharing with the ones saddled with performing their duties.

The Church one nko? Someone will come late and tell you its because they went for night vigil ON A WEEK DAY. I wonder if na the same God me too dey worship who commands me to be deligent with work of my hands.

I refused to permit office fellowship already you come late to work with various excuses then you still want to spend one hour of paid time shouting and screaming without consideration to Moslems and Aethiests in the office.
I also stopped tract sharing because the Christains from certain churches fall short of flogging the aethiests in the office and with bomb blasts now sending the moslems to hell directly.

They argue that Moslems get to pray and I asked them if it was part of Christainity as it is in Islam to pray at specific times? Are we not asked to pray witthout ceasing and at all times too? In silence and sober reflection? While I work I pray one not obstructing other.
Believe me I have been called all sorts on this issue.


Thankfully I always pick up the slack, run my place in some level of discipline and never deliver late so all the gossips and pettitions get thrown out.
One wrote that I infringe on her religious rights of expression, unfortunately she got queried for not reading terms of her contracts that clearly states that she respects the faith of others and keep it out of working hours.

Yet, you will think the most religious ones are most productive, for where? They feel everyone is against them, smallest gesture is a spiritual attack, one said she couldn't go on a trip because her pastor told her the road is not clear, so I asked who in the office she wants to die in her place.


Plenty issues make I stop here for now

Sisi_Kill:

Jeedus!! What next. . .it is disrespectful to enter the office through the same door your boss enters??!!

jidegirl12: Like somebody already said prioritize your responsibilities ..... If you can't handle the heat.... Get out! and stay in your level rather than being a wannabes ......

Everybody's not gonna be like the joneses .... Instead than killing somebody else's investment with your sick calls .....and that includes the Government too.

**Yawns**