miftaudeen: There are two types miracle. A miracle done by all d prophets of Allah and a miracle done by d follower of shaytan in order to deceive people. Mind u he whoever not believe in oneness of God and all His prophets can never perform miracle of God rather he would be aids by shaytan's miracle. For u to know d man of God firstly study his ideology then ask ur self, did his ideology tends to recognise d oneness of God?, did he believes in all d prophets?, did he follows d step laid down by God in d stripture?. If u get these from a person that means is a man of God and u can only find these qualities from muslim b'cos they belief in one God and His prophets.

miftaudeen:

followers of shaytan will like to perform miracle in other to deceive people, as we are not magician

miftaudeen:
What about those muslims (alfas amd imams) who have all the belief you stated, why are they unable to do miracles but resort to Arabian magic (hontu and tira)?

@truthman2012 miracle is not a thing people prepare for, its happen unexpectedly or the doer will not comes out and say i have miracle for you.it is the force or questions of unbeliever that makes miracle happen to the man of GOD. All those pastor that perform miracle had agreement with shaytan.

miftaudeen: The Fly and Healing

Scientists have proved that the outer face of the fly contains antibiotics and this discovery is very recently, but the Prophet peace be upon him referred to this in his words: (If a fly falls into the drink of anyone, he should dip it then remove it, as there is a disease in one of its wings and a cure in the other).

The Hadith:

Al-Bukhari and Ibn-Magah narrated that Abu-Horaira said that the Prophet Mohammad peace be upon him said: (If a fly falls into the drink of anyone, he should dip it then remove it, as there is a disease in one of its wings and a cure in the other).

The explanation of Hadith:

This Hadith includes a notification from the Prophet peace be upon him about a scientific issue concerning the wing of the fly as the Prophet confirmed that there is a cure in its wing. He also mentioned that the fly that we consider a storehouse for epidemics and diseases, inside it there is cure. And that this cure gets out through dipping the fly in the liquid.

In the modern era, scientists have found through their laboratory experiments on flies that it actually contains antibiotics and they are substances that kill harmful bacteria. And they also found that the best way to extract these antibacterial substances is to dip the fly into the liquid.



The point of inimitability:

From this Hadith, it was shown that the fly carries on one of its wings the cure. And this is a scientific fact that wasn't known except from only one or two years, but the Prophet peace be upon him referred to this fact in his words: (as there is a disease in one of its wings and a cure in the other). And this is from the signs of prophecy of Mohammad peace be upon him. And this Hadith confirms that He doesn't say anything from himself.
Photo: The Fly and Healing Scientists have proved that the outer face of the fly contains antibiotics and this discovery is very recently, but the Prophet peace be upon him referred to this in his words: (If a fly falls into the drink of anyone, he should dip it then remove it, as there is a disease in one of its wings and a cure in the other). The Hadith: Al-Bukhari and Ibn-Magah narrated that Abu-Horaira said that the Prophet Mohammad peace be upon him said: (If a fly falls into the drink of anyone, he should dip it then remove it, as there is a disease in one of its wings and a cure in the other). The explanation of Hadith: This Hadith includes a notification from the Prophet peace be upon him about a scientific issue concerning the wing of the fly as the Prophet confirmed that there is a cure in its wing. He also mentioned that the fly that we consider a storehouse for epidemics and diseases, inside it there is cure. And that this cure gets out through dipping the fly in the liquid. In the modern era, scientists have found through their laboratory experiments on flies that it actually contains antibiotics and they are substances that kill harmful bacteria. And they also found that the best way to extract these antibacterial substances is to dip the fly into the liquid. The point of inimitability: From this Hadith, it was shown that the fly carries on one of its wings the cure. And this is a scientific fact that wasn't known except from only one or two years, but the Prophet peace be upon him referred to this fact in his words: (as there is a disease in one of its wings and a cure in the other). And this is from the signs of prophecy of Mohammad peace be upon him. And this Hadith confirms that He doesn't say anything from himself.

miftaudeen: @truthman2012,mr lier why did u like to deceive urself. you pray for ss patient and she ill. there are many ss patients in hospital, go to ojurin in agege many blinds are there, or should i organise one ss patient or a blind man for u? i know can't

alexis:

You know you are funny right. You are basically saying whatever disease a fly carries in one of it's wings, it has the cure in it's other wing - CAN YOU PROVE THIS SCIENTIFICALLY?

Before I debate you on this, I will like you to respond

ayenny02:
Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, made a remarkable statement about the flies carrying antidotes:

Narrated Abu Huraira: "Allah's Apostle said, "If a fly falls in the vessel of any of you, let him dip all of it (into the vessel) and then throw it away, for in one of its wings there is a disease and in the other there is healing (antidote for it) i e. the treatment for that disease."  (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 71, Number 673)"

Narrated Abu Huraira: "The Prophet said "If a house fly falls in the drink of anyone of you, he should dip it (in the drink), for one of its wings has a disease and the other has the cure for the disease."  (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 54, Number 537)

alexis:


http://abc.gov.au/science/articles/2002/10/01/689400.htm = This link doesn't work

alexis:



http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15462958 = Neither does this one

alexis:


His claim is scientifically wrong and hold no basis WHATSOEVER. For you to be honest about it, you are here posting links that side-step the issue and is not related to it in anyway.

So, stop trying to find scientific proofs because it doesn't exist. It was a claim by an illiterate man that had no clue about science.

ayenny02: If you see the truth, I know you will deny it. I will help you paste it if you can't open the link;

miftaudeen: Sleeping on the right side

Prophet Mohamed peace be upon him advised us 1400 years ago to start our sleeping mode on the right side, why?.....…

Scientists say that sleeping on the left side is not favored, as the heart would be under th...e pressure of the right lung, the biggest of the two lungs, and this would affect its contraction especially if the person is old. Also they assure that the full stomach which itself is under the pressure of the heaviest organ in the digestive tract, the liver, which delays its emptying, would also impose a pressure on the heart.Hence they advise people to sleep on the right side especially for patients by any heart disease.

Glory to Allah!!! Who told our prophet this medical advice?

miftaudeen: @ ayenny02,i decided not to reply him, i knew he would deny the truth because of the hatred they have for the messenger of ALLAH.

If you look at my previous post,thruthman12 ran away at last when he said he had prayed for ss patient and a disease man and were ill from there illness. i told him that i had organised for him a real ss patient and a blind man.

mr. alex, you are talking about Muhammad [sa] when the topic is about the Book, Al Quran, However, when a person is concerned about the possibility of a disease [example: seasonal flu] or engages in a risky action that increases the possibility of a particular disease, hurry up to prevent the disease occurring by immediate medical action [injection, pills] that will trigger the 'antibody' that it is not a full scale, if you get the disease at all. such injection, vaccine, pills often contain a small amount of the 'disease' [the exact combo in the fly; amount of disease and amount of prevention or cure in a preventive mode]. Muhammad [sa] didn't say when you have the disease already from one fly, get another fly and dip it in your drink so that you can cure the disease you already have [this is what you are suggesting in your last post to 'discredit' what science is actually hopeful in]. he is not even encouraging you to be careless or unhygienic so that your drink is magnet of flies.

if you therefore intelligently analyze what the prophet [sa] said, by material from the web you posted above, it shows that antibiotic property was observed and Muhammad [sa] had to know something as far back as his time that is a real knowledge not fully harvested even today. so how can you find fault in light of modern medicine?

first, 14 centuries ago, the prophet [sa] did not perform any experiment, but gave a simple to apply solution to both medical and economical problems; if you find fly in what you are going to consume, sanitize it by dipping the whole fly in it, because this will make the contaminant its body deposited in the liquid ineffective, unless Allah has willed that you will be afflicted. This is my understanding of it, because people say whatever does not kill you makes you strong. i am sure you pick up your food cookie that falls on the ground/ the living room floor. if you tie your camel by dipping the whole fly in the liquid, you trust Allah by saying Bismalla anyways. by this if your are not wealthy, you can't afford to waste the drink. and you can get sick from uncontaminated thing, anyway; the wealthy and powerful and most hygienic get sick of food poison while the poor and not so hygienic and cant afford to throw away expired food may not get sick at all.

i was just reading on the news that un is proposing edible insects [i am not saying house fly] as possible solution of human food problems/shortage. who could have thought 40 years ago the un will be saying this today? http://www.kitchendaily.com/read/eating-bugs-for-protein?ncid=webmail25 [. . .An Unexpected Food That May Save Us

You may want to think twice before squashing the next creepy crawler in your home. According to the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations' recent report, "Edible Insects: Future Prospects for Food and Feed Security," people in both developing and developed countries should be looking to bugs as an important food source. The report offers three main reasons: health, the environment and people's livelihoods.

In terms of nutrition, bugs could truly replace popular proteins such as fish or chicken. They are packed with healthy fats, protein, calcium, iron and zinc

if i go by the house fly and drink statement by the messenger [sa], as a poor man in nigeria, i will have to say the prophetic office he held was from the Only True God because who in school dorm never ate some bugs or even house fly unknowingly or unintentionally? a jamaican friend was telling me that he had ate live worms in his soup served cold in boarding school. i didn't know a single student in my era that got sick for bug infested black eyed peas meal. did you any of your school mates that was hospitalized for any insect in the food or do you throw away your meal that the fly landed before you fanned it away?[quote]mr. alex, you are talking about Muhammad [sa] when the topic is about the Book, Al Quran, However, when a person is concerned about the possibility of a disease [example: seasonal flu] or engages in a risky action that increases the possibility of a particular disease, hurry up to prevent the disease occurring by immediate medical action [injection, pills] that will trigger the 'antibody' that it is not a full scale, if you get the disease at all. such injection, vaccine, pills often contain a small amount of the 'disease' [the exact combo in the fly; amount of disease and amount of prevention or cure in a preventive mode]. Muhammad [sa] didn't say when you have the disease already from one fly, get another fly and dip it in your drink so that you can cure the disease you already have [this is what you are suggesting in your last post to 'discredit' what science is actually hopeful in]. he is not even encouraging you to be careless or unhygienic so that your drink is magnet of flies.

@Alex: I said you are discussing Muhammad [sa]. read it again, while the topic is "Quran. . .". The best cure is prevention. And since the Prophet [sa] said dip it in, it implies that if there is disease in it, InshaAllah, unless it has been willed to afflict you, there will be a cure in the same it that you dip. This is common sense, because in places where you take flu shot before the the flu hit, you may still be hit with the very flu you are trying to prevent, but not as hard on you is the cure here, though it is preventing.

The Messenger [sa] has received from his Lord [SWA} Who created the fly and the disease in the first place. Heck, its cure is also created and when the prophet said dip it in, I will because I have faith in what he was given; Quran, Hadith/Sunnah [wisdom]. i have eaten food that others get sick by and I didn't get sick. What guaranteed do you have to show the insect you had didnt have more disease on it that a fly that did not carry any disease on it or are you assuming fly get hatched with diseases already on it? what gives you the opinion that every fly must carry the diseases you listed from the get go? The God Who destroyed the powerful pharaoh by a mere stick in the hand of Moses, Goliath by the mere sling in the hand of boy David is capable of curing a disease by preventing it from happening in the first place. Muslims believe that their future sins are prevented by what they did in the past. Thats our belief.

Since you are sticking to the book, i wonder why you are introducing mosquito and fever here, while cure is actually preventive measure taking so that the symptom does not manifest.

if you are to prove the hadith to be absolutely incorrect by what it says, you have to be sure that every fly carries the disease that afflicts the person who dips it in his drink and you will have to prove it is the dipping it in that causes him to get sick and God has not planned it for him. you will be combining science that is not always absolute with spirituality which you lack here because you do not believe that God can prevent as a cure so that what you think is certain on you does not happen.

i had illustrated that i know a person who had no choice but to eat the cold soup swimming with maggot. whats maggot except baby flies? if you have no choice and what is available to you as a luxury is that same cold soup, you as a christian will call Jesus and down it in a lickity split.

suit yourself because the palm wine drinkers dont throw it out when the whole keg has flies in it. I am not going to go about in circle. thanks for the opinion. this is mine position.

Mr. Alex, let me get this straight; are you saying that there is no way for a person to drink what fly has tasted [lets leave dipping it in, for a moment], except that he gets sick of whatever disease the fly carries? please give me a yes or no. then you can explain how certain you're of the yes, meaning its 100% all the time.

are you sure that every fly carry each of these diseases? if you are not sure why do you argue about a statement you can not prove to be certainly wrong each time?

lets come to what the prophet [sa] said. dip the fly that has fallen into your drink [if you must drink it] because if it carries disease, it carries it cure, too [since the disease has not manifested itself as to make the fly sick or unable to seek its food or drink [your drink], while you drink seem to have overwhelm it enough that you can dip it in].

what is a cure? cure is a 'ending' the symptom after it manifested or a prevention of manifestation of the symptom after the action has taken place. what is prevention? action taken so that you do not engage in either of the cure above, meaning you abstain from possible 'cause' [dont consume the drink] or action that will shunt or circumvent manifestation of the symptom before it shows [the antidote]after or before the action. you can see that cure [before the symptom manifests] and prevention [so that the symptom doe not manifest] are really the same thing from different prism. the prophet [sa] the best solution for poor and people are not wasteful and you complaining about it. if you can prevent catching a disease on your own, if God through His prophet [sa] prescribes such a simple prevention by curing you before the symptom consciously doing the action while putting all your trust in God, whats the reason for your doubt since islam has great medical minds in it, today and they are away of this hadith as well?

a person cure his possible headache by not participating in a dialogue with a man who will cause him headache. so he never get the headache which he was cured by refusing the dialogue. the person may go for prevention of the same headache by not participating in the dialogue because he thinks he will get a headache by it. if you dont want to take tablet to cure your headache, cure it before hand by putting in the preventive measure of no dialogue. Either way, Muhammad [sa] is not proven wrong, not by a long shot by you, even if you are the best doctor on the diseases by flies. the reason is that your knowledge is temporal and after you, there will be bigger knowledge in the field of diseases caused by flies. Yet until the last man standing, there will still be knowledge yet undiscovered on the subject. The reason i side with Muhammad [sa] is that he was truthfully honest and his statement about fly and drink is specific. the world will only discover the truth that will benefit them, a tiny amount compared with Knowledge of Allah The Creator, The One Who gave him the speech you are criticizing. This Very God has made the dipping the reason for the poor homeless man who can not throw away the drink not to catch the disease that will keep a wealthy man in the hospital.

by the way, medicine is not an exact science, its more like an art because of the trial and error in curing any disease that has manifested itself. take simple headache as your example. there are many drugs on the market for this very simple 'disease', which making the dipping definitely a more superior cure preventing the diseases that the fly carries that the drinker was not afflicted with. you will keep your money in your pocket when you truth God while you have your share of your daily liquid. you will not need the doctor or the pharmaceutical or any intermediary [to talk to God for you when you say Bismillah].

The jamaican read your post and true to his wit, he said i should let you continue chatting away because you dont know if you have not consumed a fly or even worse in your entire life. thank to Allah you have not gotten sick by any strange thing you ate that you dont know about. the buka food could have fed you worse. the iya eleba will not tell you that she scrapped flies off the epo before hotting it to fry the ata. the food chain "taco bell' just fired a worker who licked stacks of taco shells and serve them to customers. tell me if such a food handler will not serve you fly imbedded your meal or what comes out of his bosy; take away or sit in [your preference]? go ask the palm wine drinker in the drinking store. i bet you will find flies there, sipping from almost all the uncovered glasses which is the reason they cover their cups.

as a side not there is a snippet from the super extraordinary life of the man you are doubting with your less than absolute perfect knowledge of science; http://www.huffingtonpost.com/omid-safi/the-prophets-ascension-to-see-the-face-of-god-and-return-to-humanity_b_3403256.html?ref=topbar

@Alexis: I don't know your life experience and not that it matters, except that if you do not need a chaperon to cross the streets on weekends, please go out to observe the palm wine drinkers in action. Ile Ife prides itself as a place where the natives wake up and first thing done is drinking palm wine. The palm wine kegites is headquartered in Ife. I bet if you hang around and observe, you will see a lot of flies in the palm wine store and they are intending to sip the palm wine because of the sweetness [yeast]. often, flies die in the drink and you may observe drinkers actually clearing them from the cups. They do not empty out their cup because of any fly dips itself in it. They simply picks it out and drink. right there, you can see that what Muhammad [sa] said is in practiced.

since you will not be able to know if there is no disease in the fly that falls in the drink of palm wine drinker, how do you disprove what Muhammad [SA} says? since you can not, we have to assume that it may carry disease[s]. and if a person does not fall sick, we have to assume after all, that it carries the cure as well. the very cure for the disease that could have befallen the person. curing you before you get sick is similar to forgiving you before you sin, so you are not sick because the curing is a prevention, while forgiving you of sin before hand provides a deterrent in place when the time comes and you are in head on collision about to commit the sin, and you walk away from the situation without you committing it, respectively