Am rily lagging behind in God's words.... Help me O! Lord...!

Zikkyy:

melchi's priesthood was for Abraham. We are under a priesthood that commenced post crucifixion.

What do you understand by the following passages? Psalms 110:4; Hebrews 6:20; 7:11,21.

ifeness:

At this age of enlighthement, you ought to have outgrown these religious jagbajantis.

The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom/knowledge.

nora544: The rabbi then gave me some information on the method that many Jews use today to secure adequate funds with which to operate their religious organizations. He went on to say that the activities of his synagogue were financially supported through the adoption of the "patron system" by its members. That is, families would buy seats in the synagogue for various prices each year. The rabbi mentioned that many of his congregation actually paid more than a tenth of their income to get better seats in the synagogue. This method for raising funds is perfectly proper (from the biblical point of view) if Jews wish to use it. This is because the money is paid to the synagogue and not to an ordained Levitical priesthood.

Nora, did the rabbi happen to show the scriptural principle that is behind the bolded....I mean the buying of seats? If he did not, did you find time to search the scriptures yourself? And did you come accross I Cor. 9:13-14?

DrummaBoy:

This is quite instructive, Nora. Thanks for it.

You would find the jews stance instructive, even he atheist and the devil's stance as far as it is antitithe. The same Jews do not believe in Jesus, perhaps its also instructive to you.

OLAADEGBU:

I agree with you to an extent. We all have the right to choose to obey or disobey, no one should put a gun to our heads to do what we don't want to do. We are free to do what we want to do but we must remember that with freedom comes responsibility and we are all responsible to our Maker, we do not own ourselves.

What exactly are you saying? Are those that don't tithe disobeying? Yes or No?

My view is that not tithing does not constitute disobedience, neither is tithing itself.

Image123:

You would find the jews stance instructive, even he atheist and the devil's stance as far as it is antitithe. The same Jews do not believe in Jesus, perhaps its also instructive to you.

Now that's mean.

Image123:

The seed bruises the devil's head all the time.

Hmm. . . .I hope this seed is still Jesus not tithe oh.

Zikkyy:

What do you mean by saying Christ priesthood is following after that of melchi's? Did melchi offer himself as one time sacrifice to take up his priestly office? is melchi truly a priest forever? (if yes, where is he officiating currently? is he dragging the post with Christ?) Stop insulting the priesthood of Christ by placing his under that of melchi please The fact that melchi's priesthood was used to describe Christ's priesthood does not indicate they are equals. our Lord's priesthood stands on its own and is superior to any other priesthood including that of melchi.

I want you to do a little research on the following references and then give us your deductions. Psalms 110:4; Hebrews 6:20; 7:11, 21.

Chibuebem:

I'll just go ahead and quote those verses Sir:
Matthew 23:23-24(The message):

 "You're hopeless, you religion scholars and Pharisees! Frauds! You keep meticulous account books, tithing on every nickel and dime you get, but on the meat of God's Law, things like fairness and compassion and commitment—the absolute basics!—you carelessly take it or leave it. Careful bookkeeping is commendable, but the basics are required. Do you have any idea how silly you look, writing a life story that's wrong from start to finish, nitpicking over commas and semicolons?

1 corinthians 16:1-4(The message)

 Regarding the relief offering for poor Christians that is being collected, you get the same instructions I gave the churches in Galatia. Every Sunday each of you make an offering and put it in safekeeping. Be as generous as you can. When I get there you'll have it ready, and I won't have to make a special appeal. Then after I arrive, I'll write letters authorizing whomever you delegate, and send them off to Jerusalem to deliver your gift. If you think it best that I go along, I'll be glad to travel with them.

And what are your deductions from what you quoted up there?

Image123:

You would find the jews stance instructive, even he atheist and the devil's stance as far as it is antitithe. The same Jews do not believe in Jesus, perhaps its also instructive to you.

@Image123
Wow, I am just seeing it was @drummaboy that said Nora's post was instructive. Did he even read it to the end? Is it not obvious his fight against tithe is now more than meets the eye? How can buying 'better' seats in a synagogue be more instructive to him? WOW

Enigma:

Are you also saying that "tithe" does not have to be money?

Can a person "tithe" e.g. books, goats, gari, spinach, milk, egusi etc etc etc?

I said what stops you from tithing your time, treasure and talent. What part of that don't you understand?

OLAADEGBU:

And what are your deductions from what you quoted up there?

Just what Jesus said sir, tithing is commendable.
But let's stop arguing about tithes and go on to the meat of Gods word. No more arguing that creates divisions.

Goshen360:

I don't need to continue responding to your pharisical hypocrisy any more. Was it TITHE the widow gave?

While you and your anti tithers are straining at a common 10 percent, the poor widow was commended for giving her 100 percent. Who is the far-to -see now?

Goshen360:

Olaadegbu will NEVER answer this question. Watch it, he will NEVER!!! And if he tries to, he will either go off the line the question asked or twist the line of question TO SOMETHING ELSE.

Watch it, if you don't believe me!!!

If I do will you acknowledge that you are a false prophet?

Enigma:

Actually, I am deliberately waiting patiently. I also notice that Joagbaje too said something similar.

So, I am waiting now for two (maybe three) people to answer those questions specifically i.e. Olaadegbu, Bidam and also maybe Joagbaje.

The questions again:


Are you also saying that "tithe" does not have to be money?

Can a person "tithe" e.g. books, goats, gari, spinach, milk, egusi etc etc etc?

I also repeat my question that you evaded again; What stops you from tithing your time, treasure and talent?

This thread has become 'Ichabod'. Neither groups will shift ground. Let's stop insulting and name calling and rather keep digging our roots deeper in the knowledge and understanding of Christ.

Tithing isn't a big deal, even under the law, Jesus didn't classify it under the 'weightier matters of the law'. I suspect arguments like this is just another Babylonian distraction from what is truly important. Doctrinal conformity isn't what will unite the church but hunger for more of Christ and his glory.

I have friends that tithe and I don't have issues with them and they don't have with me. Don't know why its such a war here. Let pro-tithers stop threatening devourer and cankerworm on anti-tithers and let anti-tithers stop name-calling as well. People are very protective of what they believe until the Holy Spirit sheds greater light on their heart, that light is what we should keep increasing in. Nice debate, but its now at its ichabod stage.

Image123:

The seed bruises the devil's head all the time.

Bravo!

ayoku777: This thread has become 'Ichabod'. Neither groups will shift ground. Let's stop insulting and name calling and rather keep digging our roots deeper in the knowledge and understanding of Christ.

Tithing isn't a big deal, even under the law, Jesus didn't classify it under the 'weightier matters of the law'. I suspect arguments like this is just another Babylonian distraction from what is truly important. Doctrinal conformity isn't what will unite the church but hunger for more of Christ and his glory.

I have friends that tithe and I don't have issues with them and they don't have with me. Don't know why its such a war here. Let pro-tithers stop threatening devourer and cankerworm on anti-tithers and let anti-tithers stop name-calling as well. People are very protective of what they believe until the Holy Spirit sheds greater light on their heart, that light is what we should keep increasing in. Nice debate, but its now at its ichabod stage.

yeah. Let's go into the meat of God's word and stop arguing

ayoku777: This thread has become 'Ichabod'. Neither groups will shift ground. Let's stop insulting and name calling and rather keep digging our roots deeper in the knowledge and understanding of Christ.

Tithing isn't a big deal, even under the law, Jesus didn't classify it under the 'weightier matters of the law'. I suspect arguments like this is just another Babylonian distraction from what is truly important. Doctrinal conformity isn't what will unite the church but hunger for more of Christ and his glory.

I have friends that tithe and I don't have issues with them and they don't have with me. Don't know why its such a war here. Let pro-tithers stop threatening devourer and cankerworm on anti-tithers and let anti-tithers stop name-calling as well. People are very protective of what they believe until the Holy Spirit sheds greater light on their heart, that light is what we should keep increasing in. Nice debate, but its now at its ichabod stage.

The bad thing is that the antitither camp would not like this. The will continue asking scornful questions, they will open another thread and blog if this one stops. It is like a ministry for them, the new improved gospel.

Image123:

The bad thing is that the antitither camp would not like this. The will continue asking scornful questions, they will open another thread and blog if this one stops. It is like a ministry for them, the new improved gospel.

As long as our brethen keep getting ripped off in the name of tithes God never requested of believers and charlatans like you keep promoting the tithe lie, we would keep enlightening people and telling them the truth about tithes.

Image123:

The bad thing is that the antitither camp would not like this. The will continue asking scornful questions, they will open another thread and blog if this one stops. It is like a ministry for them, the new improved gospel.

I agree, but also equally unfortunate is the behaviour on some of the pro-tithing camp, who insist that tithing is mandatory or 'belongs' to God. Surely you cannot say this - in effect saying non-tithers (different from anti-tithers ) are robbing God - and expect non-tithers to accept this? If more pro-tithers would accept that not tithing is not a sin, then we would have fewer of these discussions.

I have asked Ola a question and he has either intentionally/unintentionally avoided it - this exemplifies what I think is the main issue.

Pastor Kun:

As long as our brethen keep getting ripped off in the name of tithes God never requested of believers and charlatans like you keep promoting the tithe lie, we would keep enlightening people and telling them the truth about tithes.

tithing comes from america like it is now in nigeria, and has nothing to do with the bible.

When nigeria has a law that all this new churches have to show what they make with the money they get, i know many will not give any kobo to this so called great man of god.

I will show you later how they make it in israel.

I hear in an video from Adeboye where he speak about tithing that god have told "him" where not tithe rob money from god.

This so called great man of god like to preach what they want not what they read in the bible.

^^^^^^^

nora544:
The rabbi then gave me some information on the method that many Jews use today to secure adequate funds with which to operate their religious organizations. He went on to say that the activities of his synagogue were financially supported through the adoption of the "patron system" by its members. That is, families would buy seats in the synagogue for various prices each year. The rabbi mentioned that many of his congregation actually paid more than a tenth of their income to get better seats in the synagogue. This method for raising funds is perfectly proper (from the biblical point of view) if Jews wish to use it. This is because the money is paid to the synagogue and not to an ordained Levitical priesthood.

Alwaystrue:
Nora, did the rabbi happen to show the scriptural principle that is behind the bolded....I mean the buying of seats? If he did not, did you find time to search the scriptures yourself? And did you come accross I Cor. 9:13-14?

While you are at it, please answer the above. Thank you.

debosky:

I agree, but also equally unfortunate is the behaviour on some of the pro-tithing camp, who insist that tithing is mandatory or 'belongs' to God. Surely you cannot say this - in effect saying non-tithers (different from anti-tithers ) are robbing God - and expect non-tithers to accept this? If more pro-tithers would accept that not tithing is not a sin, then we would have fewer of these discussions.

So true

Alwaystrue: ^^^^^^^





While you are at it, please answer the above. Thank you.

I will give you the answer later.

I have friends from different christian churches and also some jews friends.

I will also tell you how they make it in Israel now.

What i know is that Jews didnot tithe because there where no levites and the conservative jews have this 10% tithing but only from fruits which grow in israel and it has nothing to do like it is practis in nigeria and in america in the new churches.

nora544:

I will give you the answer later.

I have friends from different christian churches and also some jews friends.

I will also tell you how they make it in Israel now.

What i know is that Jews didnot tithe because there where no levites and the conservative jews have this 10% tithing but only from fruits which grow in israel and it has nothing to do like it is practis in nigeria and in america in the new churches.

Please take your time to provide the answer. I provided a scripture in my post to you so you can look that up and provide a detailed answer.

Oh by the way, please besides showing how 'they make it in Israel now', ensure it has the proper biblical basis...with scripture.

Well put....

debosky:

I agree, but also equally unfortunate is the behaviour on some of the pro-tithing camp, who insist that tithing is mandatory or 'belongs' to God. Surely you cannot say this - in effect saying non-tithers (different from anti-tithers ) are robbing God - and expect non-tithers to accept this? If more pro-tithers would accept that not tithing is not a sin, then we would have fewer of these discussions.

I have asked Ola a question and he has either intentionally/unintentionally avoided it - this exemplifies what I think is the main issue.

OLAADEGBU:

I said what stops you from tithing your time, treasure and talent. What part of that don't you understand?

OLAADEGBU:

If I do will you acknowledge that you are a false prophet?

OLAADEGBU:

I also repeat my question that you evaded again; What stops you from tithing your time, treasure and talent?

@ Enigma,

You see, I told you. Olaadegbu, will NEVER EVER answer the question.

Smh!!!

debosky:

What exactly are you saying? Are those that don't tithe disobeying? Yes or No?

My view is that not tithing does not constitute disobedience, neither is tithing itself.

If you are only responsible to yourself then you don't have to follow any "spiritual principle" to tithe.

debosky:

I agree, but also equally unfortunate is the behaviour on some of the pro-tithing camp, who insist that tithing is mandatory or 'belongs' to God. Surely you cannot say this - in effect saying non-tithers (different from anti-tithers ) are robbing God - and expect non-tithers to accept this? If more pro-tithers would accept that not tithing is not a sin, then we would have fewer of these discussions.

I have asked Ola a question and he has either intentionally/unintentionally avoided it - this exemplifies what I think is the main issue.

No pro tither has forced anyone to give tithe. The issue is complicated in the sense that if one has light from God on an issue, to him it is sin.Its not that conveneient to say it is a sin not to pray, or not to give, or not to go fellowship with believers. But we do not condemn others on it but correct. If people come to say tithin is not in the Bible or its like, we tell them the true position.

@ Goshen360

It is truly a case of smh!

Anyway, I will leave this other question for anyone who may be interested to think about it.

Is this woman below a 'tither' and is she 'tithing' or is she robbing God?

Mrs C is a seller of "provisions"; any time that she is going to buy stock, she buys 10% extra (e.g. instead of buying 100 cans of milk, she buys 110); she regularly takes the extra 10% to her local orphanage; she then gives about 5% of her net profits in/to "church".

Alwaystrue:
Please take your time to provide the answer. I provided a scripture in my post to you so you can look that up and provide a detailed answer.

Oh by the way, please besides showing how 'they make it in Israel now', ensure it has the proper biblical basis...with scripture.

You know that Israel is a jewish country so they didnot have the bible they have the torah. That is the jewish law

The five books of the Torah are known in Judaism by their incipits, the initial words of the first verse of each book. For example, the Hebrew name of the first book, Bereshit, is the first word of Genesis 1:1:

Bereshit (בְּרֵאשִׁית, literally "In the beginning"
Shemot (שִׁמוֹת, literally "Names"
Vayikra (ויקרא, literally "And He called"
Bəmidbar (במדבר, literally "In the desert [of]"
Devarim (דברים, literally "Things" or "Words"

The Christian names for the books are derived from the Greek Septuagint and reflect the essential theme of each book:

Genesis: "origin"
Exodus: Exodos, "going out"
Leviticus: Leuitikos, "relating to the Levites"
Numbers: Arithmoi, contains a record of the numbering of the Israelites in the wilderness of Sinai and later on the plain of Moab.
Deuteronomy: Deuteronomion, "second law", refers to the fifth book's recapitulation of the commandments reviewed by Moses before his death.