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Re: Prof Achebe's "There Was A Country" Is Meticulously Torn Apart & Shredded by ACM10: 5:22pm On Feb 16, 2013 |
Your post is filled with sarcasm and downright condescending comments designed to make mockery of me. I will give u a pass. Why not dwell on the topic instead of asking rhetorical questions that does not add value to the topic at hand. I've been down this road with Katsumoto, Ekt-bear and Aribisalao and my experience tells me that people who are quick to throw insults and jibes do not handle it well when thrown back at them. Take this as my warning shot. No need to condescend or employ bullying tactics and insults to make your comments. You can make a valuable comment without being grammatically correct. All you need to do is to communicate. So far, you've been speaking grammar without bothering to attend to the topic at hand. You've been trying to tear down my post without providing your rebuttal. Can we now attend to the topic at hand? texazzpete: 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Prof Achebe's "There Was A Country" Is Meticulously Torn Apart & Shredded by kunlekunle: 6:06pm On Feb 16, 2013 |
Dede1: You are mixing issues up, the first coalition was NPC and NCNC, the second was NPC, NCNC, NNDP. the southern ministerial positions were occupied by NCNC with some positions for yourube NCNC. Akintola's arguement was those NCNC yoruba guys wont reflect anything SW, so the southern positions were shared between NCNC and NNDP which created political acrimony that akintole hated the ibos. take it or leave it. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Prof Achebe's "There Was A Country" Is Meticulously Torn Apart & Shredded by Dede1(m): 6:45pm On Feb 16, 2013 |
kunlekunle: Of course, I had to leave it. Why should I take myriad of unintelligible craps? One of the problems with Nigeria is the country teeming with tribal irredentists who had closed minds to reality. NNDP was the not leading coalition partner. The coalition was between NNA and UPGA. In the coalition, NPC and NCNC were senior partners while NNDP, AG, UMBC, NEPU, NDC, MDF, UNIP, NPF, UNP and ZCP were junior partners in the coalition. Due to undue tribal pressure, you kept thinking Akintola was the main mover in the political scene of 60s in Nigeria. To the best of my knowledge, SL Akintola was a rabid tribal icon and master of butt licker. 4 Likes |
Re: Prof Achebe's "There Was A Country" Is Meticulously Torn Apart & Shredded by vanbonattel: 6:53pm On Feb 16, 2013 |
Dede1: S.L. Akintola was also a confirmed political thug, he invented thuggery in Nigerian politics. |
Re: Prof Achebe's "There Was A Country" Is Meticulously Torn Apart & Shredded by Duduknight(m): 6:54pm On Feb 16, 2013 |
Dede1: Seriously, you need to see a shrink or a doctor. Action Group was in the coalition with NPC and NCNC? Kunle is correct. The first coalition was between NPC and NCNC; after Akintola left the AG, he formed NNDP and that party joined the coalition. It was Akintola joining the coalition that caused the rift between NCNC and NPC. In the election of 1964, NCNC formed a coalition with AG to form UMBC while NPC and NNDP formed the ruling coalition. It was defeat in that election that led Zik not to call Balewa to form a government and the subsequent constitutional crisis of January 1965. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Prof Achebe's "There Was A Country" Is Meticulously Torn Apart & Shredded by Nobody: 7:07pm On Feb 16, 2013 |
van bonattel: Confirmed by who? Get a cure for your madness and stop spewing rubbish. 1 Like |
Re: Prof Achebe's "There Was A Country" Is Meticulously Torn Apart & Shredded by vanbonattel: 7:12pm On Feb 16, 2013 |
inufele2: Which rubbish, its there on his wikipedia page |
Re: Prof Achebe's "There Was A Country" Is Meticulously Torn Apart & Shredded by Nobody: 7:34pm On Feb 16, 2013 |
van bonattel: Wikipedia ko wikitilapia ni, people can write whatever they like on Wikipedia, it's not a reliable source of information. 1 Like |
Re: Prof Achebe's "There Was A Country" Is Meticulously Torn Apart & Shredded by vanbonattel: 7:37pm On Feb 16, 2013 |
inufele2: Akintola was a thug, pure and simple. He is the grand patron of Nigeria political thuggrey, setting up thuggery schools all over the west and burning people's houses. |
Re: Prof Achebe's "There Was A Country" Is Meticulously Torn Apart & Shredded by Dede1(m): 8:14pm On Feb 16, 2013 |
Duduknight: When I said Nigeria is teeming with loudmouthed fools who are miserably ill-educated, I meant every word. Did the above poster remotely insinuate that NCNC and AG form UMBC? You will not gain any knowledge from me. By the way, what does UMBC represents? There are parties other than NNDP that joined NPC to form alliance known as NNA. Again, the election in reference was boycotted in the wards NNA had stronghold by certain parties due to alleged irregularities in the Balewa's government conduct of Nigerian census. Again, the act of flaunting ignorance in the public seems to score high among certain group of people in Nigeria. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Prof Achebe's "There Was A Country" Is Meticulously Torn Apart & Shredded by Nobody: 9:31pm On Feb 16, 2013 |
van bonattel: You're confirming your madness more and more, you're not even worthy of a reply. Go and learn your history first before you start poking your nose into Yoruba's history which obviously you know nothing about. 1 Like |
Re: Prof Achebe's "There Was A Country" Is Meticulously Torn Apart & Shredded by Duduknight(m): 9:48pm On Feb 16, 2013 |
Dede1: I meant UPGA, it was an error on my part. In any case, there was a coalition between AG and NCNC for the 1964 election. You accuse others of being fools yet your posts indicate that you are the most dangerous poster because your posts are filled with half-truths, lies, and misinformation. Weren't you the poster who stated that the AG was in a coalition with NPC and NCNC? Perhaps you don't know the meaning of coalition. If you do know the meaning of coalition, can you provide the names of the AG members who were part of the government in the first republic? Your point about elections being boycotted in certain wards is not relevant to the debate. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Prof Achebe's "There Was A Country" Is Meticulously Torn Apart & Shredded by Dede1(m): 10:11pm On Feb 16, 2013 |
Duduknight: I guess in a hurry to score cheap point for your team of ethnic bigots, you did not peruse my post or you were struck with common sickness of deficiency in comprehension. Again, the coalition government was forged between NPC and NCNC. However, there were political alliances between parties. Such alliances produced NNA and UPGA. I suggest you kick the habit of laziness and tribal parochialism while you get educated. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Prof Achebe's "There Was A Country" Is Meticulously Torn Apart & Shredded by Duduknight(m): 10:18pm On Feb 16, 2013 |
Dede1: See your original post below; who were the AG members who were part of the government in the first republic? Stop using insults to mask your ignorance. And while you are it, stop dancing around the main issues. Do you know the meaning of coalition? I will not respond to any of your posts if you can't simply admit to your error or tell us how the AG was in the ruling coalition in the 1st Republic. Dede1: 1 Like |
Re: Prof Achebe's "There Was A Country" Is Meticulously Torn Apart & Shredded by Dede1(m): 10:39pm On Feb 16, 2013 |
Duduknight: I have concluded you are a typical dunce who is either blind or dense. Do you think forming political alliance translates into ministerial appointment? I have always stated the coalition government was between NPC and NCNC. However, both parties have partners as evidenced in NNA and UPGA. I even reiterated in my post that you reposted that NPC and NCNC were the senior coalition partners. It is clear to me you are one of those nitwits who look up the chart of political appointments in order to cast your vote. Again, there is slight technical difference between “Alliance and Coalition”. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Prof Achebe's "There Was A Country" Is Meticulously Torn Apart & Shredded by CyberG: 10:54pm On Feb 16, 2013 |
PROUD-IGBO: BACK TO SENDER AGAIN! All this dogo magana does not change that YOU, YOUR FATHER, MOTHER,CHILDREN AND ALL YOUR GENERATION HAVE CARRIED YOUR CURSE ON THEIR FLAT HEADS FOREVER! LOL...loser! |
Re: Prof Achebe's "There Was A Country" Is Meticulously Torn Apart & Shredded by CyberG: 11:00pm On Feb 16, 2013 |
van bonattel: No need to BEG, physician heal thyself! It doesn't matter what he said for a CURSE that is CAUSELESS shall NOT arise! In as much as he stirred the hornets nest, the CURSE HAS ARISEN ON HIM, FATHER, MOTHER, & ENTIRE GENERATION! Steer clear for you are both the same lest CURSE & PESTILENCE fall on YOU! 1 Like |
Re: Prof Achebe's "There Was A Country" Is Meticulously Torn Apart & Shredded by CyberG: 11:03pm On Feb 16, 2013 |
Da infamous: CYBERG, you better go and fast and pray for forgiveness because the curses place upon you and your family,don't take it as a joke, mocking dead people also bring curse to itself.I feel sorry for you.. LOL...no one is mocking dead people or is it because ojuku's stupidi.ty got them killed? Do iboz not make fun of northerners are whenever their is a bomb blast in the north? Do iboz not mock the MB whenever Fulani herdsmen attack the farmers in Jos? How about the SW?? Well, in so much as you have done this, much more shall be done to you! FEEL sorry for YOUR POOR SOUL! Hahaha 1 Like |
Re: Prof Achebe's "There Was A Country" Is Meticulously Torn Apart & Shredded by CyberG: 11:06pm On Feb 16, 2013 |
Dede1: Retardeen dendeMORONIc...your hatred for Awolowo, Adekunle and co. doesn't change that the whooping of retardeen byafrans was completed in only ~2.5 years! Deal with it, the victors did, the vanquish can cry Nigeria an ocean! All your stories are bull crap and all I need do is scroll past your asinine posts! |
Re: Prof Achebe's "There Was A Country" Is Meticulously Torn Apart & Shredded by CyberG: 11:13pm On Feb 16, 2013 |
nku5: You are still smarting from being told you are intellectually lazy not to see that 21,000 sources/references were reviewed and provided! Or, you want a list, which you will not read anyway! Here is a LINK to some of the US cables he referenced, READ and show us something different: http://2001-2009.state.gov/r/pa/ho/frus/nixon/e5/c15646.htm And BTW, you are the small boy-boy here if you expect me to spoon feed you with information. There is something called Google, use it! 1 Like
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Re: Prof Achebe's "There Was A Country" Is Meticulously Torn Apart & Shredded by proffemi: 11:14pm On Feb 16, 2013 |
TIMEOUT! TIMEOUT! What is happening here is discouraging. The rudeness,tribalism and naked hatred on show here is really disappointing, and doubly so because all of you are obviously well-educated! Look,the true proof that you are "educated" is that you can listen to other people's opinions and when they are not making sense, respectfully disagree. Otherwise, we're no better than a baboon trained to move a cursor on a PC. Yes, he has acquired some skills but his animal instincts still rule, and he wouldn't hesitate to pound the okra from the mouth of another male baboon encroaching on his turf (and that's something that apparently some of you would love to do to others). Come people, you should be better than this. Achebe this, Achebe that. Yoruba this, Ibo that. It all doesn't matter if we are all this impolite because if "educated" Nigerians like yourselves cannot conduct a simple debate (accepted, its on a sensitive matter) without descending to rudeness and inability to engage with other people's arguments, this country has no future. And that won't be the fault of Ojukwu or Achebe or Awolowo. It will be your fault. SHM... |
Re: Prof Achebe's "There Was A Country" Is Meticulously Torn Apart & Shredded by CyberG: 11:19pm On Feb 16, 2013 |
van bonattel: It is YOUR HEAD, IMMEDIATE & EXTENDED FAMILIES & GENERATION THAT IS AND WILL REMAIN CURSED! It all started when Gowon, Chief Obafemi Awolowo, Adekunle "The Scorpion" dealt massively with retardeen ibo biafrans during the ill-conceived ojuku war. Within 2 months, Calabar, Enugu, PH, etc were all captured and iboz besieged on all sides and sinking fast! In the next war, there will surely be no remnants to re-write history! 2 Likes |
Re: Prof Achebe's "There Was A Country" Is Meticulously Torn Apart & Shredded by proffemi: 11:29pm On Feb 16, 2013 |
The problem stem from the fact that most of you appear to be unwilling or unable to accept any argument that threatens any preconceived notions you have. So anything that threatens the superiority of Yorubas or Ibos, or the "honor" of your legends (Awolowo or Zik or Achebe) makes you start foaming in the mouth. Grow up people. Hausa, Yoruba, Ibo, Efik. Any tribe. There are good uns and bad uns. Just the way it is. There are smart ones and stupid ones. All the people you've mentioned: Achebe, Ademola whats-his-name, Awolowo, Akintola, they are all going to e right sometimes, and wrong sometimes. When you generalize, or refuse to consider the fact that your hero was wrong, it makes you look...unintelligent. Educated in that you attended classes. Reading through the OP's write-up, I thought: a. He was too hard on Achebe but b. He backed MOST of his points with references I could check up, and clearly stated where he felt Achebe did otherwise. As an academic, that makes me give him the benefit of doubt. Does that mean I now think Achebe is a fool/crazy codger with a bloody agenda/not worthy of respect? NO. It simply means the ball is in the court of Achebe and those who disagree with OP to tear his arguments to shreds with sound, evidence-based arguments. Then, i will agree that Op was spewing rubbish. It doesn't give license to people on either side of the divide to vent so much anger. This has absolutely nothing to do with my tribe. It has everything to do with giving everyone a fair hearing and only after then, coming to my own conclusions. |
Re: Prof Achebe's "There Was A Country" Is Meticulously Torn Apart & Shredded by PROUDIGBO(m): 12:05am On Feb 17, 2013 |
CyberG: ^^^Your pathetic damned soul (and that of your 'blood') can't escape this curse, no matter how you try to grasp at straws in your attempt to try and justify your mockery of the death of millions of innocents, just b'cos they are they Igbos you so loath and fear. Obviously you hold awo and adekunle in high regard for the 'just' and 'noble' way they both made contributions to the civil war. I then went on to wish you that same measure of treatment in your life and you threw a hissy fit; now what does that say about your duplicitous and two-faced nature? You are rotten, evil and diseased to the core.....a true example of a human debased to the level of animals, and the fact that non of your kinsmen has seen it fit to tell you there are certain lines you just don't cross makes me wonder at the type of people i have the misfortune to call 'fellow countrymen'! 3 Likes |
Re: Prof Achebe's "There Was A Country" Is Meticulously Torn Apart & Shredded by Nobody: 12:14am On Feb 17, 2013 |
@CyberG don't mind these mofos with their so called curses a Yoruba proverb says "Ogun nii si ni mu epe kii si ni pa" what is so special about their useless curses? as long as their problems are self inflicted they can fcking swim in their own curses for life. |
Re: Prof Achebe's "There Was A Country" Is Meticulously Torn Apart & Shredded by bushwailo: 3:06am On Feb 17, 2013 |
You guys are still on wit this shitz, cant you all just drop it? Grow up !!! |
Re: Prof Achebe's "There Was A Country" Is Meticulously Torn Apart & Shredded by DuduNegro: 4:40am On Feb 17, 2013 |
bushwailo: You guys are still on wit this shitz, cant you all just drop it? ...drop what? Will you please step back! |
Re: Prof Achebe's "There Was A Country" Is Meticulously Torn Apart & Shredded by Tolexander: 8:08am On Feb 17, 2013 |
i cant imagine argueing with that BUFFER called DENDE, with no atom of truth and intelligence even at old age. Well, maybe senile could be hypobolic adjective to qualify his deluded emotional cyber expression. Still wondering what he spent his productive life doing! 1 Like |
Re: Prof Achebe's "There Was A Country" Is Meticulously Torn Apart & Shredded by Nobody: 9:13am On Feb 17, 2013 |
Achebe wrote a one sided book. He focused, mostly, on tribes, ethnicity without taking into cognizance the existence of ruling class that cut across all divides pre and post civil war except when it suited his agenda. It is we against them mentality that reverberated throughout the book. In most cases, he highlighted the symptoms of an ailment to high heavens without examining the root cause of such ailment. Thus he found it convenient to discuss horrible pogrom without mentioning not to talk of dramatizing Enugu killings to same level or highlighted that the pogrom was not unprovoked. While he claimed the glory, justified or otherwise, of Biafran technological innovations during the war and showed it as a mark of Ibo's brilliance, one would have expected him to also admit the failure of Biafra to feed her citizens as a mark of sheer $tupidity of the elite running shows in the stillborn country. His Ibo's victimization and ironically supremacist or domineering theory is not well justified considering that all ruling class pre and post civil war also comprise Ibo. So they are neither more victimized than the rest of the country nor do they possess an extra prowess in anything that has not been seen or would not have been expressed. Well, the book is one of several works on civil war and it pays to read it side by side with the likes of Ralph Uwechue's Reflections on the Nigerian Civil war and many other great works that are more credible and balanced devoid of unnecessary emotions in place of logic, truth and actuality of circumstances. At the end of the day, what matters is the war has ended and there is still Nigeria. We can choose to either salvage this country or now aid its balkanisation to different republics. |
Re: Prof Achebe's "There Was A Country" Is Meticulously Torn Apart & Shredded by Nobody: 9:37am On Feb 17, 2013 |
This Asebe old f0ol has caused more enemity among Yorubas and jhybos than the actual war did... |
Re: Prof Achebe's "There Was A Country" Is Meticulously Torn Apart & Shredded by vanbonattel: 10:27am On Feb 17, 2013 |
CyberG: Still, the Biafrans bounced back and are dealing ruthlessly with the whole nation, taking over all the markets, buying up chunks of choice real estate in many cities, dominating Jamb enrollment and dictating the pace in the sports and entertainment world. AFCON cup is in Owerri as we speak God mus have been a Biafran 1 Like |
Re: Prof Achebe's "There Was A Country" Is Meticulously Torn Apart & Shredded by vanbonattel: 10:39am On Feb 17, 2013 |
ilugunboy: This Asebe old f0ol has caused more enemity among Yorubas and jhybos than the actual war did... He said the truth, damn the consequences! 2 Likes |
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