sweetcheecks:

I soo love what you have said here, it is very important for each of us to not only seek but listen and oblidge to the Holy
Spirit leading. Sometimes we do not do or oblidge to His prompts becouse we are bombarded with threats and voices that compels us to do as told as we do not want to be made an axample of what is stressed to be the results of not doind what the preachers say.

I for one, know that my spirit is turmoil when it comes to the giving and ticthing acts. I have secretly seeked out and gave to the ones in need who's prayer seem to go unanswered when I regard myself as Gods hands, partner and vessel here on earth. I have never redirected my tithes to these activities but have thought deeply and have suggested to some of the
church prominant people that a few number of big tithers/ tithes to be seeking out to help;

a) financially support the associate Pastors who are doing God's work but are not earning a wage and struggle to make ends meet,
b) the widow who every winter catches pnuemonia becouse the house she is staying in, is cold and leaking prompting prayer requests every winter but no action from the church to prevent this from happening in the first place becouse the one winter has been harder than the other and the pnuemonia is threatening to take her life,
c) an HIV church member who seems to be succumbing to the deases becouse the treatment/drugs side effects taking a toll on the frail body, as a result of bad diet or lack of nutritional food. Here are agains prayers are requested that this time she/ he should not die.
d) the mother or fatherless little girl or boy staying with a granny who earns governmental grants which can not take care of the kids or herself as a results the kids go to school without shoes or jersey in winter and going for a day or two without a meal.
The list goes on, tgen how could distributing God's money to where in needed most be sinful? When we are called to be God's co-workers, vessels, hands and in so doing answering prayers and restoring faith to that little boy and preventing him from selling drugs and robbing people, stopping that little girl from selling her body to feed her family and contracting aids in the process?

Arent we suppose to prevent these horrible stories from even coming to play before people loose faith in God while our Pastors chang e Gucci's for Armanis and Porsche's for Jets?

Lord, these are last days tge days of deception, let your will/ truth prevail in mist of the noise. Amen.

ezme: Anybody that still feels he should tithe can continue practicing Judaism. Its always difficult to throw away a default position especially when you have been indoctrinated to do so all your Christian life.

P.S: Anyone who comes here to say God specifically instructed him/her to tithe should read up the mental condition called "schizophrenia"

christemmbassey: thats xtrem bro, dont let Bidam see this ya post o, i only asked him if treated malaria and d bros nearly reported me to ange Michael and here u are suggesting they see a psychiatrist, u are on ya own o.

ezme: Anybody that still feels he should tithe can continue practicing Judaism. Its always difficult to throw away a default position especially when you have been indoctrinated to do so all your Christian life.

P.S: Anyone who comes here to say God specifically instructed him/her to tithe should read up the mental condition called "schizophrenia"

Pastor Kun:

He truly desperately needs to see a psychiatrist. That aside I remain convinced that like Joagbaje he is a tithe collector and not tithe giver as he claims. No tithe giver would so desperately twist scriptures to justify being ripped like bidam does.

Bidam: the rantings of an "unbelieving", unrepentant carnal christian(in name ).

Pastor Kun:

He truly desperately needs to see a psychiatrist. That aside I remain convinced that like Joagbaje he is a tithe collector and not tithe giver as he claims. No tithe giver would so desperately twist scriptures to justify being ripped like bidam does.

Goshen360:

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Matthew 23:23

Extract

Who was Jesus talking to? Answer - scribes and Pharisees

Who are these scribes and Pharisees? Answer - hypocrites.

Are these people Christians? Answer - NO

What tithe does these people pay? Answer - of mint and anise and cummin

What is this tithe of mint and anise and cummin based on? Answers - matters of the law

Are Christians still under the law of Moses? Answer - NO

Did Jesus say, "these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone"? Answer - YES! Why, Jesus was still under the law of Moses and had not died to effect the New Covenant. He cannot contradict the law in order to fulfill it. Christ's death and resurrection ENDED the law of Moses. So, the tithe practiced in Matthew 23:23 is still MATTERS OF THE LAW...of Moses. So also is Malachi 3

Godseagle: . And how do you interprete matthew 5 vs 17 when Jesus said " i have not come to abolish the Law and the Prophets, but I have come to fulfill them.?

frosbel:

hmm, easy.

He has fulfilled the LAW which means we are no more under the LAW but grace.

The Tithe was part of the LAW and has been done away with.

We will not allow Judaizers Tithers bring us back under the LAW that JESUS has fulfilled

Pastor Kun:

He truly desperately needs to see a psychiatrist. That aside I remain convinced that like Joagbaje he is a tithe collector and not tithe giver as he claims. No tithe giver would so desperately twist scriptures to justify being ripped off like bidam does.

christemmbassey: on the issue of twisting the scriptures my brother Bidam is innoscent, he never twisted any scripture, all he does is, google all the key words that have something to do with 'pay your tithes' achieve them, copy and paste them without checking that's why most times his posts never had conection with quoted posts. That explains why if you ask him to comment on deut 14:22, you will see, -can a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me......MAL 3. So my bros no de twist but de copy and paste articles with twisted scriptures. @ bidam, no mind bros Fros o, truths don too plenty inside im belle.

frosbel: ^^^^

"For all who are led by the Spirit of God are children of God." - Romans 8:14

or


"because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death." - Romans 8:2


If you want to be ruled by the Law of Sin and Death , that is your choice.

Godseagle: . And how do you interprete matthew 5 vs 17 when Jesus said " i have not come to abolish the Law and the Prophets, but I have come to fulfill them.?

OLAADEGBU:

Is it you that doesn't believe in the Person of the Holy Spirit that is being led by the Spirit of God? Do you even believe that our Lord Jesus Christ is God, if you think you are free from the law of sin?

Bidam: bro..it is not about liking post..people hate truth na..nobody liked JESUS either.

christemmbassey: its like marriage, the wedding fulfills, there are things the couples can not do again because the wedding frees them from such obligations. Another way to look at it is this. A woman collect a loan of N20'000 and agreed to pay a monthly intrest of N2,000 until the loan is paid back, after lets say 8months her husband came back from UK and paid up the loan and all outstanding intrests if any, now the man by this action , did not cancel or abolish the agreement between his wife and the bank but fulfills all the terms of the loan agreement(covenant) and effectively ends the transactions between the bank and his wife. Now, i want to ask u, will the woman continue to pay the 2k monthly intrest? Pls i waxt u to answer.

christemmbassey:

its like marriage, the wedding fulfills, there are things the couples can not do again because the wedding frees them from such obligations. Another way to look at it is this. A woman collect a loan of N20'000 and agreed to pay a monthly intrest of N2,000 until the loan is paid back, after lets say 8months her husband came back from UK and paid up the loan and all outstanding intrests if any, now the man by this action , did not cancel or abolish the agreement between his wife and the bank but fulfills all the terms of the loan agreement(covenant) and effectively ends the transactions between the bank and his wife. Now, i want to ask u, will the woman continue to pay the 2k monthly intrest? Pls i waxt u to answer.

Goshen360:

Oh man of God, I LOVE YOU SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MUCH WITH THE LOVE OF CHRIST. You've explained it in a simple way interacting with everyday event but permit me to shoot more arrows of the might and release the sword of the Spirit to further buttress. God bless you man of God.

OLAADEGBU:

Not surprised. You can't think crooked and walk straight.

frosbel:

even simple things of scripture baffle you !

OLAADEGBU:

Let me give you a better illustration of the tithe and marriage instead of the warped one you gave above.

Marriage under the law is like the wife is afraid to commit adultery because of the consequences but under grace the wife refuses to commit adultery because she loves her husband. The fact that she is now under grace doesn't rule out the fact that she is married. The marriage covenant remains intact. If you are married, does your wife stay in the marriage out of fear or because of love?

Godseagle: . And how do you interprete matthew 5 vs 17 when Jesus said " i have not come to abolish the Law and the Prophets, but I have come to fulfill them.?

Goshen360:

First, correct yourself. It is NOT 'abolish', it is 'destroy'

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. - Mat 5:17 (KJV)

Many people hang on this verse taking the words of Jesus out of context and applying it that the law of Moses continues or we, Christians are still living under the dispensation of Moses. The whole context of Matthew contradict such interpretations.

The word 'destroy' is the Greek word katalyō or Kataluo that means to dissolve, disunite what has been joined together. Hence, what that context means is this,

Think not that I am come to DISSOLVE\DISUNITE the law, or the prophets: I am not come to DISSOLVE\DISUNITE, but to FULFILL. The word 'fulfill' is the Greek word plēroō and it means,

1) to make full, to fill up, i.e. to fill to the full
a) to cause to abound, to furnish or supply liberally
1) I abound, I am liberally supplied
2) to render full, i.e. to complete
a) to fill to the top: so that nothing shall be wanting to full measure, fill to the brim
b) to consummate: a number
1) to make complete in every particular, to render perfect
2) to carry through to the end, to accomplish, carry out, (some undertaking)
c) to carry into effect, bring to realisation, realise
1) of matters of duty: to perform, execute
2) of sayings, promises, prophecies, to bring to pass, ratify, accomplish
3) to fulfill, i.e. to cause God's will (as made known in the law) to be obeyed as it should be, and God's promises (given through the prophets) to receive fulfillment

Hence, we understand that without Christ, the law of Moses is NOT complete or perfect for the purpose of the law was to bring the Jews to Christ. Now, that Christ has come, the law is fulfilled, perfected and completed. Therefore, it is consistent with other scriptures such as,

New International Version (©1984)
Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.
New Living Translation (©2007)
For Christ has already accomplished the purpose for which the law was given. As a result, all who believe in him are made right with God.
English Standard Version (©2001)
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes. - Romans 10:4

FIVE REASONS WHY YOU ARE BLESSED FOR NOT TITHING

1.You are under grace (Romans 6:14)

2.God said he would supply all our needs without mentioning the tithe (Philippians 4:19)

3.Our gifts are sweet-smelling sacrifice that is acceptable and pleasing to God (Philippians 4:18)

4.God Loves a Cheerful giver. (2 Corinthians 9:7)

5.The Spirit gives life (Romans 8:5-10)

Source

frosbel:

The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of GOD , God has ONE Spirit not TWO.

"Howbeit when He, the Spirit of truth: is come, He will guide you into all truth: for He shall not speak of Himself; but whatsoever He shall hear, that shall He speak: and He will show you things to come. He shall glorify Me: for He shall receive of Mine, and shall show it to you. All things that the Father has are Mine: therefore said I, that He shall take of Mine and shall show it to you"

frosbel:

Jesus Christ is the Son of GOD, even demons know better than a so called Christian, let's hear the demons :

"He shouted at the top of his voice, "What do you want with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? Swear to God that you won't torture me!" - Mark 5:7

You cannot be the Son of the most high and be the most High at the same time, if you disengage your thinking from the deeperlife cult, maybe you will see the TRUTH a bit clearer, alas you are bound the traditions of MEN.

frosbel:

I cannot help you.

[quote author=OLAADEGBU]

I know that you don't believe in the Holy Trinity just as you don't believe in tithes and offerings. The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are the Personalities in the godhead.

(John 16:13-15).

Can you see members of the Godhead bolded in the verses quoted up there? Do you see that the Holy Spirit is a Person just as our Lord Jesus Christ and the Father are? These three are One God.

Do you know what it means to be the only begotten Son of God? I know you erroneously believe that Jesus Christ is only human like you and me but read the verses I quoted above to correct your heretical beliefs.