brilapluz:
let me make d scripture u quoted about the poor widow clearer & easier to undastand,d poor widow gave out of freewill and from a generous heart,dats y jesus commended her 4 he already knew her motives,but d pharisees did deirs in oda 2 observe d LAW(eye service) meanwhile,deir HEART was far away 4rm God..wat a huge difference..

zoelife: @frosbel: Of course its about me. If I was the only one on earth Jesus wld have come to die for me anyway. I tithe, sow seeds and give offerings, alms ( and will continue to do so)because I belong in a kingdom, a heavenly nation with rules and principles, for prosperity, and also for every area of life.
I give because its who I am and thanks be to God, He has promised me abundance for so doing. So why quit?

frosbel: ^^^^

Well enjoy, keep making them rich

JIL:

You should rather pity your bank balance. It's the only thing that will suffer here.

Bidam:
Goshen360 stop misleading people with this kind of heretical statements..no where in the bible was it written that the law is holy but has sin it.. show me scriptural evidence where the bible said that word for word..i know you deliberately lifted it from the other thread for an argument...ayam waiting.......

brilapluz:
1 Corinthians 15:56 New International Version
(NIV) 56 The sting of death is sin, and THE POWER OF SIN IS THE LAW!

Bidam: there are two laws at work dnt mix it up..there is the law of the spirit of life and the law of sin and death...ever wondered why adam sinned even though the law wasn't instituted by then?

christemmbassey: for the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set us free from the LAW OF SIN AND DEATH Rm8:1-3.

Bidam: we know the law is spiritual..rom 7:14..i tithe because it is a spiritual principle ordained by God through the abrahamic convenant of blessings and the redemptive package of christ..i tithe by grace because Christ is at work in me both to will and to do HIS GOOD PLEASURE.

Bidam:
Goshen360 stop misleading people with this kind of heretical statements..no where in the bible was it written that the law is holy but has sin it.. show me scriptural evidence where the bible said that word for word..i know you deliberately lifted it from the other thread for an argument...ayam waiting.......

Goshen360:

You lack the biblical stamina to teach 'consistent' truth. I'm not saying that to discredit you but that's what you have shown times without counting. If you're called and given the 'prophetic' ministry, kindly stay therein and stop parading yourself as a teacher - they function in different grace. Abi you want me to lift\quote where you once told me you're called into the 'prophetic'? Need I remind you that what is written in God's holy scriptures needs 'interpretation' (Acts 8:30). Don't you know there's difference between 'quoting' scriptures and 'interpretation' of scriptures? Now, you requested for scriptures right? and please, before you jump at my words next time if you're too slow to comprehend, kindly know that NO SCRIPTURE IS OF 'PRIVATE' INTERPRETATION. That is, no scriptures is standalone when interpreted - one scripture MUST agree or compliment the other(s). Here is your scriptures,

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. - Romans 7:12

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

New Living Translation (©2007)
For sin is the sting that results in death, and the law gives sin its power. - 1 Corinthians 15:56

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead. - Romans 7:8

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
Not one person can have God's approval by following Moses' Teachings. Moses' Teachings show what sin is. - Romans 3:20

Bidam, I want you to take all those scriptures given together (remember no scriptures is of private interpretation right) and see what you make of them and let everyone see how you can 'interpret' them. I'm also waiting brother.

brilapluz:
1 Corinthians 15:56 New International Version
(NIV) 56 The sting of death is sin, and THE POWER OF SIN IS THE LAW!

christemmbassey: for the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set us free from the LAW OF SIN AND DEATH Rm8:1-3.

Bidam: there are two laws at work dnt mix it up..there is the law of the spirit of life and the law of sin and death...ever wondered why adam sinned even though the law wasn't instituted by then?

Goshen360:

Oga, o ya tell us,

1. What exactly is the 'law of the Spirit of life'
2. What exactly is the 'law of sin and death'

Bidam: we know the law is spiritual..rom 7:14..i tithe because it is a spiritual principle ordained by God through the abrahamic convenant of blessings and the redemptive package of christ..i tithe by grace because Christ is at work in me both to will and to do HIS GOOD PLEASURE.

frosbel:


You are sorely deceived, by just reading your exegesis of Scripture, it is plain to all that you have been sitting under false teaching for too long.

It's time you start studying the Bible for yourself.

zoelife: @frosbel,goshen and christembassey: u guys have said a lot on dis thread. But cld u help us summarize ur point in one sentence. One sentence alone,assuming u had to encapsulate it in a quote/doctrine.
We'll take it up from there. Because I'm seeing too many contradictions on ur theories.
Tks.

Goshen360:

Okay sister, lemme start by stating the basic of our teachings.

We accept the Grace based giving as taught in the New Testament - that is, sharing our income and resources with God's people, the church and the worship places for the advancement of God's kingdom. This Grace based giving and sharing can be any percentage as a man purpose in his heart to give and we believe therein lies God's blessing because as the earth remains, seed time and harvest shall not cease.

We reject the teachings of 'fixed' or 'legalized' (according to the law of Moses) or 'compulsory' and 'mandatory' of 10% of Christian's monthly income kind of giving called by the name 'tithe'. We believe Hebrews 7 in the entire context ended the Moses law of tithing, that is, tithing according to the law of Moses and tithing before the law of Moses while the teachings of Christ and the Apostles released Christians to free will giving.

This is the simple tenets of our Christian teachings here under Grace and herein we teach the truth of God's word for the Church. The above, if expanded contains bible truth and consistence from Genesis to Revelation. Thank you!

Goshen360:

Okay sister, lemme start by stating the basic of our teachings.

We accept the Grace based giving as taught in the New Testament - that is, sharing our income and resources with God's people, the church and the worship places for the advancement of God's kingdom. This Grace based giving and sharing can be any percentage as a man purpose in his heart to give and we believe therein lies God's blessing because as the earth remains, seed time and harvest shall not cease.

We reject the teachings of 'fixed' or 'legalized' (according to the law of Moses) or 'compulsory' and 'mandatory' of 10% of Christian's monthly income kind of giving called by the name 'tithe'. We believe Hebrews 7 in the entire context ended the Moses law of tithing, that is, tithing according to the law of Moses and tithing before the law of Moses while the teachings of Christ and the Apostles released Christians to free will giving.

This is the simple tenets of our Christian teachings here under Grace and herein we teach the truth of God's word for the Church. The above, if expanded contains bible truth and consistence from Genesis to Revelation. Thank you!

christemmbassey: in addition we are NOT AGAINST GIVING TO 'PASTORS', you can give 10% or 100 of whatever but dont call it tithe odawise ud be puting a condemned thing(law of Moses) over and above TREASURE(GRACE) and that is profanity. Remain blessed.

zoelife: @Goshen: God bless you for making it easier.
I decide, therefore, to give OF MY FREEWILL 10% (tithe, old english for 'tenth part) of every income I receive, to my local assembly, where I worship and am groomed in the Word. As my forefathers Abraham, Jacob (note God is often tagged with these names) did without any direct commandment, but of their freewill and revelation of God and His Eternal will.

@Christembassey: Don't u think u sound a bit mixed up here? Please refer back to @frosbel's post at the beginning of dis topic.

Goshen360:

Okay sister, lemme start by stating the basic of our teachings.

We accept the Grace based giving as taught in the New Testament - that is, sharing our income and resources with God's people, the church and the worship places for the advancement of God's kingdom and in keeping up with our other social\family\living responsibilities. This Grace based giving and sharing can be any percentage as a man purpose in his heart to give and we believe therein lies God's blessing because as the earth remains, seed time and harvest shall not cease.

We reject the teachings of 'fixed' or 'legalized' (according to the law of Moses) or 'compulsory' and 'mandatory' of 10% of Christian's monthly income kind of giving called by the name 'tithe'. We believe Hebrews 7 in the entire context ended the Moses law of tithing, that is, tithing according to the law of Moses and tithing before the law of Moses while the teachings of Christ and the Apostles released Christians to free will giving.

This is the simple tenets of our Christian teachings here under Grace and herein we teach the truth of God's word for the Church. The above, if expanded contains bible truth and consistence from Genesis to Revelation. Thank you!

christemmbassey: in addition we are NOT AGAINST GIVING TO 'PASTORS', you can give 10% or 100 of whatever but dont call it tithe odawise ud be puting a condemned thing(law of Moses) over and above TREASURE(GRACE) and that is profanity. Remain blessed.

alexleo:

Now we see a confused house here. While two of you agree to freewill offering. A confused and rebellous frosbel kicks against any kind of giving in the church from the posts he has been putting here and cartoons. You people should go and harmonise your stand and spare us the discordant tune. And mind you- we aint gonna stop giving our tithe and offering. Save yourself the stress Goshen360 and christembassy. As for the confused chap, let him keep wallowing in his utter foolishness and rebellion. His little mind will be telling him that he is converting people into his anti-tithe and anti-giving in the church madness. PITY.

Apostle Peter said (in Acts 15:10) that the law was "a yoke of bondage that neither he or his ancestors could keep".

Tithe teaching is wrong for many reason, some major ones are:

1. It promotes pride in human work and self effort

2. It is equivalent to trying to extort God by demanding a blessing because of ones own payment/works, effort.

3. It negates the reason Jesus came (Gal 3:13 to redeem us from the curse of the law)

4. It brings a charge against Gods elect if they don't tithe.

5. It steals the glory of Grace now in our New Covenant of Grace.

6. It is impartial and selective this is one law there are 612 more!

7. It ignores New Testament Scripture ("Galatians 3:11 So it is clear that no one can be made right with God by trying to keep the law. For the Scriptures say
"It is through faith that a righteous person has life.)"

8. It ignores (Col 2:14) that Jesus nailed the Old Testament laws to the cross.

9. It breeds confusion, Fear & Doubt.

10. It instills Pride (if you are paying 10 percent)

11. It robs the Lord of the credit due Him alone.

12. It causes resentment, disappointment.

13. It causes God to be blamed, questioned or accused if it is not working.

14. It will fail in the long run no lie can sustain itself.

15. It ignores Hebrews that calls Jesus offering a "better covenant" 13 times.

16. It has opened the door wide to materialism and self centered thinking, "as in what is in it for me?"

17. It is used by prosperity teachers who teach to give to get rich (not as an act of worship)

Source

Bidam: he tithed for 2 years expecting returns on investment..when it didn't materialise...he backslidded.

Godseagle: . Now i must admit that you are doomed cos you cant keep one part of the Bible and Ignore the Other.

alexleo:

NOT ONLY DID HE BACKSLIDE, HE ALSO DEVELOPED ANTI-TITHE MADNESS THATS WHY HIS VOMIT IS EVERYWHERE IN NAIRALAND. CHECK ALL HIS THREAD RECENTLY. I PITY THOSE HE AND HIS COHORTS HAVE AFFECTED WITH THEIR LEPROUS MESSAGE.

alexleo:

IF THAT COMMENDATION CAME FROM A PASTOR WOULDNT YOU PEOPLE HAVE SAID THAT THE PASTOR IS WICKED FOR ACCEPTING THE LAST PENNY THAT THE POOR WOMAN HAD? RUBBISH. YOU PEOPLE ARE JUST DECEIVING YOURSELVES.

Candour:

I wish i could understand the reason for your aggression.but calm down pls.it'll do you a lot of good.