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Re: The Injustice And Disgrace Going On In Port Harcourt by confusion247(m): 10:54pm On Mar 17, 2013 |
c.fours:When last i checked, Alaba international market remains the biggest not only in Nigeria but also in Africa, it might interest you to know that the great IGBOS owns that market with their petty trading as you said. |
Re: The Injustice And Disgrace Going On In Port Harcourt by cfours: 10:55pm On Mar 17, 2013 |
asha 80: in nigeria the normal mantra is 'igbos love money'.other nigerians view that as a bad trait hence the believe igbos are bad.so since Gujurats love money as you stated doesn't the logic follow? all people love money. but the way some people go about their greed can be very nauseating (ex. igbos). |
Re: The Injustice And Disgrace Going On In Port Harcourt by manny4life(m): 10:55pm On Mar 17, 2013 |
c.fours: Isn't it funny how you mention the U.S. and U.K, what do you think drive the U.S. economy? Large businesses like Walmart who try that contribute (revenue wise) to their company with little taxes and max of 50,000 employees or thousands/millions of SMALL or MIDSIZE BUSINESS like small business owner, U.S. Dept of Labor classifies small business as those with up to 25 employees and make no more than $1million, while midsize if those with up to 250 employees and revenues up to $10million Though the large companies make up about 70% of the revenues, their contribution (from taxes, to employment, community, et al) to the economy is meager. Quote me on it. I'll leave you to answer that question, then come back with your thoughts. |
Re: The Injustice And Disgrace Going On In Port Harcourt by confusion247(m): 10:59pm On Mar 17, 2013 |
c.fours:Olabode George, bankole, sunday Ehindiro, Tafa Balogun, are all IGBOS and they don't love money. 1 Like |
Re: The Injustice And Disgrace Going On In Port Harcourt by asha80(m): 11:02pm On Mar 17, 2013 |
c.fours:you meant esp.not ex. I guess....if only the yorubas in uk that i have seen can emulate your thinking but free money from credit card and nhs scams will not allow that because they will tell you scam crimes pay. |
Re: The Injustice And Disgrace Going On In Port Harcourt by cfours: 11:11pm On Mar 17, 2013 |
manny4life: guess you have never heard of the New Deal policies of the 1930s. that was what created the middle class in the USA after WWII. certainly not petty businesses. petty businesses will not even make you come near any developed nation because such sort of development feeds off of large economies of scale. ex industrial farms vs small backyard farms etc ex china is advancing today because of its large mass factories. not small independent shop keepers. American then had a much stronger government and over 50% f the labor force belonged to a worker union. wages more than doubled between 1939 and 1944. free education, full employment, higher wages and social welfare benefits are what caused the middle class to expand. petty businesses is usually taken up by unemployed or immigrants who can't find mainstream employment. or women who are also often locked out. I am talking about cities here. things are different in some rural areas. the Walmarts of today are like the Ford motor company of the early 20th century. The only differnce is that america has a consumer economy today (walmart) as opposed to the manufacturing economy (ford motor plant etc) of the pre 1960 yrs. either way, the economy of this developed nation (and all other developed nations) are driven by big businesses. whether it is production or consumer focused. what happened was that after WWII, most other coutries were devastated and US was relatively unscathed. but others are now catching up (esp asia) and USA is losing its edge. plus government is much weaker and can't enforce laws against big businesses as it used to. also, you are arguing against yourself. if small business in USA can be classified as a business making up to $1million. then most of the petty businesses that exists in nigeria will not even be classified as businesses at all!! $1million is a lot of money. |
Re: The Injustice And Disgrace Going On In Port Harcourt by Nobody: 11:21pm On Mar 17, 2013 |
I've been on nl for about a year now, and from my observation on nl - and reading different Nigerian news outlets only... I noticed Igbos are the most maligned ethnic group in Nigeria... Maybe, only Fulanis and Northern muslims also get maligned like Igbos but it's to a lesser extent - and the reason is understandable... However, as for Igbos, I still don't know why everyone allegedly "hates" them and why negative energy follows them everywhere... Maybe, it's high time Igbos started looking at the "man" in the mirror and start taking responsibilities for their own actions... I don't know but this is getting too much, to be honest... Or are Igbos really Hebrews/Jews and the lost tribe of Israel ![]() I'll like to have a conversation with honest Igbos about the background story of this negative energy and hatred they attract to themselves - this is what your Eze should be doing... |
Re: The Injustice And Disgrace Going On In Port Harcourt by Nobody: 11:24pm On Mar 17, 2013 |
Where's the Eze Ndigbo?? You need to proffer solutions to this unique problem - this is what your job entails, not just posting epistles all over the forum... Do a background research on where the negative energy stems from and proffer solutions on how to move the Igbo nation/people forward... ![]() |
Re: The Injustice And Disgrace Going On In Port Harcourt by Afam4eva(m): 11:25pm On Mar 17, 2013 |
shymexx: I've been on nl for about a year now, and from my observation on nl - and reading different Nigerian news outlets only... I noticed Igbos are the most maligned ethnic group in Nigeria... Maybe, only Fulanis and Northern muslims also get maligned like Igbos but it's to a lesser extent - and the reason is understandable... However, as for Igbos, I still don't know why everyone allegedly "hates" them and why negative energy follows them everywhere...The answer is simple. We keep going back to the civil war. The Igbos fought the rest of Nigerian and lost. That's it. I guess in the next century it will fade away totally. 1970 is really not that far and people who were directly or indirectly involved in the civil war are still alive. They all have to die for the newer generations to start a new chapter. |
Re: The Injustice And Disgrace Going On In Port Harcourt by cfours: 11:27pm On Mar 17, 2013 |
^ igbos are a nomadic ethnic group. is the reason behind it. it's very obvious the jews faced persecution because they lived amongst others for centuries yet they refused to assimilate with their hosts and kept themselves separate hence they chose to be target for hatred. you can say the same for the Roma (gypsies) of europe. although this group are not as well known they actually faced much higher level of hatred than jews that continues to the present day. you can google them to read more about them. even a yoruba who lives in enugu will face some sort of discrimination. it's just natural thing that happens. I've read books on yoruba land pre-independence and was surprised that the hausa community in SW - ibadan etc (they were mostly traders) also faced a lot of discrimination in their sabon gari (strangers' quarters). there has even been a thread here before with the yoruba community in eastern states (enugu and abia) complaining about marginalization they face. now imagine if a LARGE number of yoruba people (like the igbos) were living outside of yorubaland, won't the discrimination become a bigger issue? won't it seem as if yorubas were hated? |
Re: The Injustice And Disgrace Going On In Port Harcourt by Nobody: 11:27pm On Mar 17, 2013 |
manny4life: Dude, there is no where in the world where small or petty business creates a middle class, working class may be but definitely not the middle class. |
Re: The Injustice And Disgrace Going On In Port Harcourt by omonnakoda: 11:28pm On Mar 17, 2013 |
shymexx: I've been on nl for about a year now, and from my observation on nl - and reading different Nigerian news outlets only... I noticed Igbos are the most maligned ethnic group in Nigeria... Maybe, only Fulanis and Northern muslims also get maligned like Igbos but it's to a lesser extent - and the reason is understandable... However, as for Igbos, I still don't know why everyone allegedly "hates" them and why negative energy follows them everywhere...There is no need trying to do a Phd on a common entrance question. There are many good Ibo people. However a small number of them cause problems for the majority.This minority are often Brash,boastful, feral and generally unpleasant. They are not likeable AT ALL and they don't care as long as they make money.It is not peculiar to Nigeria as they also travel abroad in large numbers. Unfortunately in this dimension they not only create problems for Ibos but Nigerians generally. It appears to me that while generally they form a minority of Ibos . They are present on NL in Overwhelming proportions 2 Likes |
Re: The Injustice And Disgrace Going On In Port Harcourt by cfours: 11:29pm On Mar 17, 2013 |
inufele2: thank you. you put into one sentence what I wasted my time writing an essay on. |
Re: The Injustice And Disgrace Going On In Port Harcourt by Nobody: 11:36pm On Mar 17, 2013 |
Afam4eva: However, it seems the "hatred"/negative-energy isn't going to die any time soon if the internet should be used as a yardstick to judge that... How about Igbos need to know that "one-Nigeria" is just a facade for those at the top, and there's truly no "one-Nigeria" anywhere except on the internet, on TV, in news-media, and on myopic minds... Igbos need to start studying human dynamism, interaction, interoperability, and how tribal people are clannish all over the world... Heck, even Igbos themselves can use their own ethnic group as a case-study because the Igbo nation isn't a homogeneous one, it's a British creation of different tribal groups, under one umbrella using linguistic similarities... Hence, why certain group within the Igbo nation don't get along - and why certain groups continue to deny being "Igbo." It's deeper than the civil war, afam... |
Re: The Injustice And Disgrace Going On In Port Harcourt by Afam4eva(m): 11:39pm On Mar 17, 2013 |
The reason why Igbos could have probably been accepted by everyone else is only if they succumbed to the other groups but the Igbos i know are too proud to do that. There's an atom of truth in the saying that Igbos are boastful. Not that others are not but Igbos just have this thing about being proud of who they are, what they have and what they have become and to tell you the truth, this is what has really helped them to get this far after the civil war devastation. Had they just behaved like most groups want them to behave then they would have been the poorest group in Nigeria. Go and check other places that a war has been fought, you'll noticed that the group on the receiving side are usually the ones at the bottom of the social ladder. While this Igbo trait has helped, it has also whipped up suspicion from the host communities where Igbos went to after the civil war. While I g b o s have defied the odds by stamping their names in the sands of time as a people that refuse to be put down, there's an area that they're yet to succeed in since the civil war ended and that is to engineer a collective growth. We see how Igbos are succeeding everywhere but these are individual strides that further highlights the individualistic spirit that Igbos are touted to possess. But it's this individual spirit that is making the achievements of Igbos not to be collective and targeted at a common goal. It's every man for himself. Nobody is talking about building schools, hospitals, industrial districts in Igboland so that those that were not opportuned to have the opportunity that some were privileged to have will be now be provided with opportunities to succeed like their kits and kins that have traversed the leangth and breadth of the world. Igbos should not shout that they have arrived until the South East becomes a big pride like individual Igbos that have defied the odds. Igbos should not shout that they have arrived until we stop hearing this issue of marginalization. Igbos should not beat their chest in boastful arrogance until the whole world acknowledges the fact that there's a group in west Africa that boasts of the biggest manufacturing of West Africa hub in Aba, one of the largest commercial centers in Africa or the world and a food basket in Abakaliki. let our achievements be reflected in out cities, towns and villages. 2 Likes |
Re: The Injustice And Disgrace Going On In Port Harcourt by Nobody: 11:41pm On Mar 17, 2013 |
omonnakoda: I actually like Igbo people especially the ones from Enugu - they're the safest... And God knows I get along with Igbo chics better than other naija chics... Maybe, the "majority" needs to start educating the "minority" on the essence of mutual respect and cultural assimilation... When you're in 'Rome', act like the 'Romans', and stop trying to be domineering and aggressive... |
Re: The Injustice And Disgrace Going On In Port Harcourt by Afam4eva(m): 11:42pm On Mar 17, 2013 |
shymexx:It's bigger than the civil war but the civil war was a huge catalyst if you ask. me. The reaoson why Igbos are on the recieving end a lot of times is that they are the ones that had to go to other people's land after the civil war and not others coming to their land. It's no fault of ours that were were battled and brought back to start singing one-Nigeria with other Nigerians. |
Re: The Injustice And Disgrace Going On In Port Harcourt by Nobody: 11:51pm On Mar 17, 2013 |
Afam4eva: Afam, you can't keep blaming the civil war - the civil war achieved two things for Igbos... It birthed the Igbo nation in the East, and alienated those with cultural and linguistic affinity with Igbos in the SS(according to Igbo historians)... And since Igbos now have a nation and also know those who don't want nothing to do with them - and why can't they imbibe the culture of mutual respect, and stop believing in the fallacy of "one-Nigeria?" That's the only way you can defuse the imbroglio... |
Re: The Injustice And Disgrace Going On In Port Harcourt by reporter1: 11:53pm On Mar 17, 2013 |
shymexx: I've been on nl for about a year now, and from my observation on nl - and reading different Nigerian news outlets only... I noticed Igbos are the most maligned ethnic group in Nigeria... Maybe, only Fulanis and Northern muslims also get maligned like Igbos but it's to a lesser extent - and the reason is understandable... However, as for Igbos, I still don't know why everyone allegedly "hates" them and why negative energy follows them everywhere... What you are observing on NL is not a reflection of real life. No one hates the Ibos, at least not Yoruba people. I grew up in Lagos in a diverse n'hood with lots of kids from different backgrounds and we all kicked it together without reference to our ethnicity save for occasional jibes like "omo una" I personally believe that the war may have damaged the psyche of some of Ibos; hence, the constant whining and bitching, and the constant need to elevate themselves above everyone. As for the eze, he is a nut head with Nazi like mentality. How anyone of a sound mind would choose that goon as eze is beyond me. 4 Likes |
Re: The Injustice And Disgrace Going On In Port Harcourt by omonnakoda: 11:54pm On Mar 17, 2013 |
shymexx:Look at the thread above yours They just can't help themselves.The eternal need to "boasts of the biggest manufacturing of West Africa " etc All we are asking themm to do is just STFU sometimes ! Whatever they achieve let IT SPEAK FOR ITSELF. The problem derives from a very strong inferiority complex. Remember the words Achebe used to described how the Ibos who were not exposed to Western Education like the Yorubas quickly caught up with them and left them behind in one short step of activity. You cannot live in peace with anyone if you think and talk that way. Imagine if Dangote was Ibo. No one go hear word again. The fundamental issue is that the Ibo man when on top cares about NO ONE and that includes other IBOS. To some extent it is not a tribal thing. But Other Nigerians won't see it like that. The key thing that has to be learnt is how to calibrate behaviour to accommodate others feelings. We discussed so much about the Ibo issue last week. I doubt very much that an Ibo person can run NL not because they don't have the money but look at all the abuse people throw at moderators and the owner. By now this would have become a Biafra site and most non-Ibos banned. 1 Like |
Re: The Injustice And Disgrace Going On In Port Harcourt by Nobody: 12:01am On Mar 18, 2013 |
reporter?: I know it's not "hatred" per-se, but truth be told, most Nigerians can't stand Igbos(from my interactions with Nigerians and what my parents told me)... I jam with Jamaicans/Caribbeans and Asians all the time, but I can't stand some of their repulsive attitude... As for the useless Eze, he's just a nutter that's using nl to launch his future political career somewhere in Igboland... The guy doesn't care about Igbos and their plight, to be honest.. |
Re: The Injustice And Disgrace Going On In Port Harcourt by Nobody: 12:05am On Mar 18, 2013 |
omonnakoda: Hmmmm... Perhaps, some of their heroes are just bitter and they've transferred the bitterness to this generation of Igbos... The "us" against "them" mentality when in reality Igbos are actually the ones who need the other people the most due to the nature of their way-of-life and how they migrate to other regions... Igbos need progressive leaders and re-education on how to co-exist with other people... |
Re: The Injustice And Disgrace Going On In Port Harcourt by omonnakoda: 12:09am On Mar 18, 2013 |
shymexx:do not be deceived by the civil war yarn this has been going on for ever.What kind of people would as they did,living in the North taunt them about their leaders' murder makiing records and such like. Why did the Sardauna say what he said about them. This boastfulness is intrinsic and they do not realise that singularly is the biggest obstacle to harmony |
Re: The Injustice And Disgrace Going On In Port Harcourt by reporter1: 12:19am On Mar 18, 2013 |
shymexx: Agree with you that some Nigerians detest some Ibos, but it's not borne out of hate. It's just that people in general dislike people who talk smack. Some Ibo folks do not know the meaning of humility, and do not grasp the concept of interpersonal relationship especially in a country like Nigeria where everyone is very protective of their domain. Wish Ibos would do more of listening and less of talking. And dialogue more with their neighbors instead of brute force that they seem to project. Aggression was appropriate in the early centuries, today aggression is generally interpreted as crudeness. Like you rightly pointed out, Ibos need to do a soul searching and ask themselves tough questions. |
Re: The Injustice And Disgrace Going On In Port Harcourt by omonnakoda: 12:22am On Mar 18, 2013 |
reporter?:They will not you can bank on that rather they will tell you to go to hell , So let us leave that issue. We will continue to respond with the only language they understand |
Re: The Injustice And Disgrace Going On In Port Harcourt by EzeUche(m): 12:40am On Mar 18, 2013 |
People should love the Igbo spirit. Even our enemies admire the determination of the Ndigbo to survive anywhere. Who know of a people after being defeated in a brutal war continue to thrive and keep their heads up high? That is some serious pride. If all Africans had that pride, we would not be the poorest continent in the world. I love my people rugged sense of individualism. |
Re: The Injustice And Disgrace Going On In Port Harcourt by manny4life(m): 12:40am On Mar 18, 2013 |
inufele2: Read the statement again, then come back with your comment. Besides, go and get the definition of "MIDDLE CLASS" income earners, till then, no comment for you. |
Re: The Injustice And Disgrace Going On In Port Harcourt by ikeyman00(m): 12:44am On Mar 18, 2013 |
@@@@@@@@@@@@@ some of the comment right here are simply pure joke! some funny creatures and bad bella trying to define who we should be; thats pure nonesense; right now those bitter clans got the shops in their hand can we now wait to see what they could offer rubbbish; rubbish! as far as Nigeria exist the great Igbo got every right to beat their chest im afraid now get used to it because they thought they could blow all of us to death in the North by now? even with the free 419 education they tried but they still failed! so what u talking about eh |
Re: The Injustice And Disgrace Going On In Port Harcourt by BlackPikiN(m): 12:52am On Mar 18, 2013 |
omonnakoda: Do you know alomost half the population of Aba are non-indigenes? Do you all the Local govt chairman of Aba are also non-indigenes? 1 Like |
Re: The Injustice And Disgrace Going On In Port Harcourt by manny4life(m): 12:53am On Mar 18, 2013 |
c.fours: Lol, after all this talk, you've still not been able to answer my question. Again, you called petty business, I laid emphasis on "SMALL and MIDSIZE BUSINESS and used the U.S. as an example. Unless you define for me what petty means, to me, it means minute. I asked you a simple question regarding American economy of early 2000's and not this sermon. I don't care whether govt is weaker or stronger and can't enforce laws against large corps, answer the question with a YES or NO answer, period. ONCE MORE, MY EMPHASIS TO YOUR RESPONSE WAS ON A SMALL BUSINESS... Now you see why you're a lil unitelligent, why are you comparing the U.S. with Nigeria? You called U.S. and it's economy, I replied you not to call U.S., and asked you a question which you've been unable to answer because you know the truth. Comparing a $1million small business in the U.S. is just foolishh and absurd, Nigeria and America do not have same size economy, U.S. economy is about $15Trillion, and Nigeria is about $270billion, that's 54x larger than our economy. Even if we used $1million as a baseline for "SMALL BUSINESS", On a scale of 1:54x, based on a economic comparison, a $1million if scaled down to Nigeria's size will be $19,000 in Nigeria. Another point is that Nigeria and U.S. have huge disparity in their income or should I say currency levels. At an exchange of 1:154 naira, scale the currency size down by 154 point, you do the math and tell me your results. Does your average petty trader like you suggested make $19,000 (N3million) annually? Please don't compare U.S. to Nigeria, if you cannot stick to the argument, stay away from it. If you want the question I asked you, I will rephrase it again |
Re: The Injustice And Disgrace Going On In Port Harcourt by EzeUche(m): 1:07am On Mar 18, 2013 |
BlackPikiN: Ignore the fool. He probably has never stepped out of Lagos to even visit Ibadan. See his ignorance about anything from the East... |
Re: The Injustice And Disgrace Going On In Port Harcourt by omonnakoda: 1:33am On Mar 18, 2013 |
EzeUche: i suggest you delete this post so that your parents are not brought into the fray. no one has a monopoly of craze Just a suggestion to avoid much unpleasantness and derailing of the thread. There is no reason why one should be provoked into calling your innocent parents fool or even worse as is almost certain to follow. Polite suggestion!! |
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