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Re: In Jesus Name, All Knees Bow; In Mary's Name, What Happens? by ktjohnpaul(m): 11:18pm On Jul 15, 2013 |
alexleo: 1 Timothy 2:1- “First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all men.” So asking for intercessory prayer is a very biblical thing to do, especially from a holy person like Mary (James 5:16). So how can Mary hear thousands of prayers said to her daily from all over the world? Isn’t she just a human being and not God? Catholics believe we share in God’s divinity when we are in heaven. Why? Because of the words of Peter, in 2 Pet.1:3: "His divine power has granted to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of him who called us to his own glory and excellence 4: by which he has granted to us his precious and very great promises, that through these you may escape from the corruption that is in the world because of passion, and become partakers of the divine nature." We know that they witness for us, because of the words of St. Paul, in Hebrews 12:1: “Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses…” Witnesses testify to a judge on behalf of the accused, and Paul here is saying that the saints in heaven are our witnesses. Asking these witnesses, especially Mary, to help us with our problems is a very good thing to do. Some people make the mistake of thinking that praying to a saint equals worshiping that saint like he/she is a god, but “to pray” simply means “to ask”, not “to worship”. 1 Like |
Re: In Jesus Name, All Knees Bow; In Mary's Name, What Happens? by waldigit: 11:28pm On Jul 15, 2013 |
chukwudi44: from their fruit we shall know them. What fruit of the spirit is using insultive words like ' idiot' is beloved. Shalom |
Re: In Jesus Name, All Knees Bow; In Mary's Name, What Happens? by youngguchi(m): 11:50pm On Jul 15, 2013 |
if u believe Jesus christ is God and marry gave birth to this God don't u think Marry has the upper right to be worship as God. Because no Marry no Jesus |
Re: In Jesus Name, All Knees Bow; In Mary's Name, What Happens? by Ubenedictus(m): 12:10am On Jul 16, 2013 |
youngguchi: if u believe Jesus christ is God and marry gave birth to this God don't u think Marry has the upper right to be worship as God. Because no Marry no Jesusfaulty logic |
Re: In Jesus Name, All Knees Bow; In Mary's Name, What Happens? by youngguchi(m): 12:26am On Jul 16, 2013 |
Luke 11:27-28 Worship, honour, glory and praise are due to God alone. Here jesus says clearly do not worship me for worship is due to God alone. Further more he says in Matthew 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men. ... We can understand that jesus never ask anybody to worship Him nor His mother. Because nobody has ever proven or can prove from the bible from cover to cover where he jesus said worship me i am God. U see all His teaching was about worship of God alone who originated the heavens and the earth. He who worship Jesus without any clear proof such a person is astray and will be doom for eternity. |
Re: In Jesus Name, All Knees Bow; In Mary's Name, What Happens? by youngguchi(m): 12:38am On Jul 16, 2013 |
Ubenedictus: faulty logicbut the mother is superior to the son dont u think the mother deserve d right |
Re: In Jesus Name, All Knees Bow; In Mary's Name, What Happens? by Ochason(m): 12:46am On Jul 16, 2013 |
can any cathoric show me from the bible were it is written that we should worship,honour or pray to mary to interced or talk to jesus on our behave. please tell me. |
Re: In Jesus Name, All Knees Bow; In Mary's Name, What Happens? by Ubenedictus(m): 12:54am On Jul 16, 2013 |
youngguchi:the mother is not superior to the son, conclusion made on wrong premise. |
Re: In Jesus Name, All Knees Bow; In Mary's Name, What Happens? by Ubenedictus(m): 12:54am On Jul 16, 2013 |
Ochason: can any cathoric show me from the bible were it is written that we should worship,honour or pray to mary to interced or talk to jesus on our behave. please tell me.pleas do well to read the thread. |
Re: In Jesus Name, All Knees Bow; In Mary's Name, What Happens? by vicope: 1:20am On Jul 16, 2013 |
Bonny Dominic: (song)We are honouring Mary, we are honouring,we 'r honouring Mary, never worship her, bt pple say we worship her, not at all, everybody join d chorus honour her. We d catholics dont worship Mary, we only ask her to INTERCEDE 4 us just as U out dea run to Ur pastors nd pastres,parent,frnds etc to pray 4 U. Our Mother of heaven nd earth who played a vital role in d salvation of mankind, clothed with d sun, crown with twelve stars, nd under her feet is d moon,presently seated on d throne of Grace,Rev12:1 thru17. Oh mother, 4gv dem 4 dey dont know wat dey are saying. Ask ur pastor d motherhood of Mary,dt is if dey r not fake. Seriously? This s**t is so hillarous! And we are busy accusing another religion of hypnotising its followers with virgins and wine in heaven.......I never really knew *Unfollowing thread immediately* |
Re: In Jesus Name, All Knees Bow; In Mary's Name, What Happens? by ejiboy1(m): 2:05am On Jul 16, 2013 |
Pls Catholics read this: "In that day you will ask in my name. I am not saying that I will ask the Father on your behalf. No, the Father himself loves you because you have loved me and have believed that I came from God." (John 16:26-27). Even Jesus himself said he will not ask on ur behalf, but you should ask the father directly, in his name. His name is just like a stamp for God to accept ur prayers, and any anybody(including priests, pastors, mary, saints, prophet, etc) who is praying or interceding for you must pray to God in his name before it get to God. You guys are mistaken by praying to mary to intercede for u to Jesus cus Jesus himself is not the Almighty God but the Son of the Almighty God and he told us to pray directly to the Almighty God cus he love us, and not Mary to Him. Why can't we just obey him. If we look at the bible well, there is never a place where Jesus said we should pray to him, talkless of asking someone to pray to him. He even gave us an example of prayer which started with 'Our Father' that's God directly. He always tells us to pray to God in his name but u guys are doing otherwise by praying to him through mary and here he told u that he will not ask God on your behalf, so how will your prayers reach to God. Stop taking earthly Mother-Child relationship as an heavenly thought and Mary is just a favoured earthly mother of Jesus and not Heavenly Mother of God.. She is a human just a human like us who was favoured to bear Jesus on earth. If we believe in the bible and in Jesus, then do what he tells you and not what you think of. I know its hard for a Catholic from birth to agreed on this, but I didn't write this because of catholic or no catholic. I wrote this because we call ourselves christians, and christians have there book which is Bible, so let's just decide for once to forget about religion and know the truth which is by reading the bible. "All scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness," (2 Timothy 3:16). So let's study the word of God and abide by it. That's the will of God |
Re: In Jesus Name, All Knees Bow; In Mary's Name, What Happens? by Richieboyn: 2:35am On Jul 16, 2013 |
frosbel: frosbel u have come again! |
Re: In Jesus Name, All Knees Bow; In Mary's Name, What Happens? by Richieboyn: 2:41am On Jul 16, 2013 |
CrazyMan: STOP BEING A MUMU. NO ONE WORSHIPS MARY! |
Re: In Jesus Name, All Knees Bow; In Mary's Name, What Happens? by khiaa(f): 3:43am On Jul 16, 2013 |
ktjohnpaul: Mary was a human being born from human parents just like you and I, therefore she was born into this world a sinner, only Jesus was born without sin |
Re: In Jesus Name, All Knees Bow; In Mary's Name, What Happens? by xyoung: 5:25am On Jul 16, 2013 |
I don't understand why protestants like fighting the catholic church and her teachings!!! A church founded by Jesus christ himself..Next time, protestant will post, "why confess 2a priest when you can confess to God directly".. There is no need to waste my time and start defending my catholic faith here because all these people are already bent on arguing blindly when the truth is not far fetched Protestant just choose a portion of the bible and misinterprete it all in a name to start their own living church. But check on the existence of these churches when their founder dies Hail Mary, full of grace the lord is with you, blessed are you amongst women and blessed is the fruit of your womb jesus.. I am surprised no1 here faulted the Angel Gabriel for greeting Mary like this before the birth of Jesus Christ. The truth is bitter!!!!!!!! 1 Like |
Re: In Jesus Name, All Knees Bow; In Mary's Name, What Happens? by xyoung: 5:31am On Jul 16, 2013 |
Ochason: can any cathoric show me from the bible were it is written that we should worship,honour or pray to mary to interced or talk to jesus on our behave. please tell me.CAN YOU SHOW ME ANYWHERE IN THE BIBLE THAT WARNS US AGAINST HONOURING MARRY? DIDN'T YOU SEE ANGEL GABRIEL HONOURING MARY WITH THAT GREATING OR DON'T YOU KNOW THE MEANING OF HONOUR IN ENGLISH LANGUAGE? |
Re: In Jesus Name, All Knees Bow; In Mary's Name, What Happens? by heisenberg33: 5:33am On Jul 16, 2013 |
St.Ola: I really wish i had the kind of enviable patience you and my catholic brothers/sisters in nairaland exude when you try to convince these protestant charlatans. The problem is i have a low threshold for temper when i argue with fools. One thing you should know is that these protestant gas bags are not ready to accept anything from you, no matter how you try to convince them. The charlatan who started this thread only meant it to be for ridicule and not for the purpose of being convinced. They would not honour the mother of God, but you see them honoring their spurious "GENERAL OVER SEERS AND DADDYS".....They quote a bible they have no idea how it was compiled, just like a fool trying to use a proverb....Please my catholic brothers and sisters do not waste your time with these people except you are done with every other useful thing you have to do in a day, and you want to catch some fun. |
Re: In Jesus Name, All Knees Bow; In Mary's Name, What Happens? by ktjohnpaul(m): 6:19am On Jul 16, 2013 |
ejiboy1: Pls Catholics read this: I like your attempt to draw us to scripture, in order to open up your eyes, I will like you to also read the following: John 17:9-17, 9 I pray for them I pray not for the world, but for those whom thou hast given me; for they are thine: 10 and all things that are mine are thine, and thine are mine: and I am glorified in them. 11 And I am no more in the world, and these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep them in thy name which thou hast given me, that they may be one, even as we are . LESSONS 1 Jesus prays for the saved in perpetuity that we may not lose our faith. (Did I hear some people say once saved?...) 2 Jesus is glorified in his followers, even though he obtains glory from God before the world was 3 Here's how Protestants (Those protesting against the Catholic Church) keep frustrating Jesus' desire that we may be ONE Psalm 141:2 Let my prayer be set forth before you as incense; and the lifting up of my hands as the evening sacrifice. Rev. 8:3 And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given to him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints on the golden altar which was before the throne. Can you figure out the importance of incense in prayers from the time of David, to the Apostle? Happily this is maintained by Catholics. The saints who have gone before us know better, so they offer their intercessory prayers for us, with incense. That is why Catholics pray to them, 'ASK THEM', to present our petitions before the golden altar that our sinfulness may not access. Mary been just an earthly woman? You may need to read up on what God means when he say through Angel Gabriel, Hail Full of Grace. Luke 1:28 She is the WOMAN in Gen. 3:15 15 And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her seed; it shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel. The context here is the dawn of the fall of man. The Prophets reassure the people of God of this promise Isaiah 7:14 “Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign. Behold a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son and his name shall be called Emmanuel.” Context: Man has languished in his fall and is in search of God for a way out. Jesus was born and the Jews did not recognize him because of his humble birth. So at the wedding at Cana, rather than cling to Mary as his mother, he draws our attention to her by calling her WOMAN. This is in no way demeaning, but a pointer to an indicator in God's plan of salvation. We still don't get it, so just before he expire under the cross, he makes a last ditch at it, by presenting the WOMAN to the beloved apostle John 19:26-27. All the apostles had scattered upon his arrest, John the beloved happened to be the only one, keeping the apostolic witness of our salvation alive. He represented all believers. So Mary was presented to Mother his church, as the WOMAN in God's plan of salvation. Even this last effort failed to stick, so on the Island of Pathmos, John the beloved is the only apostle privileged to peek into heaven; Revelation 11:19, John tells us that he sees the Ark of the Covenant. In the next verse, Revelation 12:1, he describes the Ark for us as “A woman clothed with the sun”, a term that could only mean the immaculately conceived Virgin Mary. The rest of Revelation 12 talks about the enmity prefigured in Genesis 3:15 between the devil and THE WOMAN, and how satan can’t get to her. In Revelation 12:17, it says that we are her children if we follow the commandments and bear testimony to Jesus. |
Re: In Jesus Name, All Knees Bow; In Mary's Name, What Happens? by ktjohnpaul(m): 6:19am On Jul 16, 2013 |
ejiboy1: Pls Catholics read this: I like your attempt to draw us to scripture, in order to open up your eyes, I will like you to also read the following: John 17:9-17, 9 I pray for them I pray not for the world, but for those whom thou hast given me; for they are thine: 10 and all things that are mine are thine, and thine are mine: and I am glorified in them. 11 And I am no more in the world, and these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep them in thy name which thou hast given me, that they may be one, even as we are . LESSONS 1 Jesus prays for the saved in perpetuity that we may not lose our faith. (Did I hear some people say once saved?...) 2 Jesus is glorified in his followers, even though he obtains glory from God before the world was 3 Here's how Protestants (Those protesting against the Catholic Church) keep frustrating Jesus' desire that we may be ONE Psalm 141:2 Let my prayer be set forth before you as incense; and the lifting up of my hands as the evening sacrifice. Rev. 8:3 And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given to him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints on the golden altar which was before the throne. Can you figure out the importance of incense in prayers from the time of David, to the Apostle? Happily this is maintained by Catholics. The saints who have gone before us know better, so they offer their intercessory prayers for us, with incense. That is why Catholics pray to them, 'ASK THEM', to present our petitions before the golden altar that our sinfulness may not access. Mary been just an earthly woman? You may need to read up on what God means when he say through Angel Gabriel, Hail Full of Grace. Luke 1:28 She is the WOMAN in Gen. 3:15 15 And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her seed; it shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel. The context here is the dawn of the fall of man. The Prophets reassure the people of God of this promise Isaiah 7:14 “Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign. Behold a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son and his name shall be called Emmanuel.” Context: Man has languished in his fall and is in search of God for a way out. Jesus was born and the Jews did not recognize him because of his humble birth. So at the wedding at Cana, rather than cling to Mary as his mother, he draws our attention to her by calling her WOMAN. This is in no way demeaning, but a pointer to an indicator in God's plan of salvation. We still don't get it, so just before he expire under the cross, he makes a last ditch at it, by presenting the WOMAN to the beloved apostle John 19:26-27. All the apostles had scattered upon his arrest, John the beloved happened to be the only one, keeping the apostolic witness of our salvation alive. He represented all believers. So Mary was presented to Mother his church, as the WOMAN in God's plan of salvation. Even this last effort failed to stick, so on the Island of Pathmos, John the beloved is the only apostle privileged to peek into heaven; Revelation 11:19, John tells us that he sees the Ark of the Covenant. In the next verse, Revelation 12:1, he describes the Ark for us as “A woman clothed with the sun”, a term that could only mean the immaculately conceived Virgin Mary. The rest of Revelation 12 talks about the enmity prefigured in Genesis 3:15 between the devil and THE WOMAN, and how satan can’t get to her. In Revelation 12:17, it says that we are her children if we follow the commandments and bear testimony to Jesus. |
Re: In Jesus Name, All Knees Bow; In Mary's Name, What Happens? by Nobody: 7:13am On Jul 16, 2013 |
khiaa:Same argument the jews were on when christ was born; is it ñot the son of Joseph the carpenter? Who did God count so worthy to bear Jesus without sin? Stop contradicting yourself. Catholics pray to many saints to interceed for them,i dnt knw why u people are so particular about mary. A woman that Christ openly told the world that its nt his time,bt because she asked he did wat she asked of him. 1 Like |
Re: In Jesus Name, All Knees Bow; In Mary's Name, What Happens? by Nobody: 7:40am On Jul 16, 2013 |
Iyfe Namikaze: ''you are the peacemaker between sinners I swear, that someone can make this fallacious statement is baffling!!.. Smh |
Re: In Jesus Name, All Knees Bow; In Mary's Name, What Happens? by joe4christ(m): 7:46am On Jul 16, 2013 |
ochongonoko: That's what religion does, it beclouds one's reasoning, so much that one will no longer see the light of truth in anything other than what he was thought and made to believe from his/her religious background... Smh! |
Re: In Jesus Name, All Knees Bow; In Mary's Name, What Happens? by Nobody: 7:50am On Jul 16, 2013 |
Kaycee7: We give her due honor. We don't overdo it. Also you said "through Mary" which is our point exactly.[B] So long as you're in Jesus, it doesn't matter where you came through.[/b] @the bolded, I weep!!.. So you called jesus a liar for saying no one cometh to the father EXCEPT THROUGH HIM? So jesus lied?.. As long as I'm in him, I can pray through buddah, dead people, statues, a serial killer, a muderer? And don't come here and twist yor lie cos you explicitly said "it doesn't matter".. Now I now you didn't read your bible.. I blame you not but your bullentins Wallow away in your ignorance |
Re: In Jesus Name, All Knees Bow; In Mary's Name, What Happens? by nnatom: 7:51am On Jul 16, 2013 |
vicope: u are jst as ignorant as u sound,pls do urself dis favour by readin revelation 12 frm 1 to d end,and help urself.and pls do take note of d last verse. I noticed dat u non catholics are nt here to learn. |
Re: In Jesus Name, All Knees Bow; In Mary's Name, What Happens? by nnatom: 8:06am On Jul 16, 2013 |
ochongonoko: wait bros,so readin d bible nw makes u a good christain abi.nw tell if those pastors dat uses evil powers to heal ur type dnt read d bible in their church.and u dat read d bible,of wht purpose do u read d bible,is it to criticise or wht. The bad part is u dnt knw d bible u |
Re: In Jesus Name, All Knees Bow; In Mary's Name, What Happens? by Nobody: 8:08am On Jul 16, 2013 |
Kaycee7: That's why we're sure that Mary is no mere mortal. Whatever She is, She remains the Mother of God. A mere mortal couldn't have wiped away Eve's mistake. GOD is not a half and half person. HE does things to the full. Mary cannot be Mother to the Man-Jesus without being Mother to the God-Jesus. And where did this Man-Jesus, God-Jesus theory come from? Meaning that God also lied when he said I AM THAT I AM... AM THE BEGINNING AND THE END?.. Smh I give up on y'all.. So God had had mary that gave birth to him and said he's the beginning when he has said he can't lie?.. What a notion!!.. |
Re: In Jesus Name, All Knees Bow; In Mary's Name, What Happens? by Nobody: 8:17am On Jul 16, 2013 |
nnatom: I hate it when people argue this way, it shows they have nothing but lies are their backup.. Bringing up another topics cos they have no truth to refute the allegations laid against their feet When did I say reading the bible makes anyone a good christain?. If you can't show me when I said that then kindly stop going off tangent just cos you've been exposed. So if one shows you what the bible teaches, it's now criticism?.. Meaning all the preachings by christains(the catholics included) are criticisms?.. What a notion!! You keep baffling with your assertions.. It's mind boggling |
Re: In Jesus Name, All Knees Bow; In Mary's Name, What Happens? by honeric01(m): 8:22am On Jul 16, 2013 |
Syncan:Hope u can comprehend? |
Re: In Jesus Name, All Knees Bow; In Mary's Name, What Happens? by Nobody: 8:23am On Jul 16, 2013 |
Iyfe Namikaze: Trust me bro, people will go to great extent and spew utter trash just to relegate God and worship mary instead One said mary has the ears of God nd yet God sent HIS only beggotten son to die for our sins and that through him, we can reach him(God) instead of us getting our prayers to his ears through MARY that has his ears Lmao!! |
Re: In Jesus Name, All Knees Bow; In Mary's Name, What Happens? by Nobody: 8:25am On Jul 16, 2013 |
honeric01: Good morning sire... You really did great with your answers and questions to them which had pulling out fake ideas from God knows where.. I commend you man. |
Re: In Jesus Name, All Knees Bow; In Mary's Name, What Happens? by ktjohnpaul(m): 8:26am On Jul 16, 2013 |
chidyhels: I am loving the bold text; those who are here to learn can sure learn. That you protest against the Truth, does not make it a lie. Many have done it before you, and the truth remains that the 'gates of hell shall not prevail over the Church that Christ founded on the Peter'. |
Re: In Jesus Name, All Knees Bow; In Mary's Name, What Happens? by nnatom: 8:38am On Jul 16, 2013 |
ktjohnpaul: thank u my brother in christ, u have done well. Who ever read ur comment and still criticise is an anti-christ. I remember when they always criticise the Holy communion,nw what is happening,they do it. Its nt their fault,They are jst ignorant. |
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