PAGAN 9JA:


hmm its ok if its there. Today they are Sudanese/Erithrean though they have tribesmen in KSA as well. They have a rich culture. Their tribal culture is highly undiluted, unlike the oil rich mainlanders of today.

I see. I hear they are tbe only TRUE Arab ethic group in Sudan.

KidStranglehold:


I see. I hear they are tbe only TRUE Arab ethic group in Sudan.

yes the ONLY . anyone else claiming pure-Arab in Africa should go shoot himself.

(except maybe a few recent Omani/Yemeni migrants)

However there are some cases where I might support it. For example, in Papua Guinea, even today, at an annual festivalmany of the major tribes decide to do a mock battle on that day as a sport. Its mutual context. they decide it together. apparently they do it to save their warring spirit even today. So they have these battles in an open ground like area on that day. The victors usually eat parts of the losers body and then at night, they party and go back to their usual lives. it is not forced ofcourse, but they have decided to continue it.

Is this a real battle... with casualties?

And the loosers. Are parts of their body eaten when they are alive (like an amputation) or from a dead body?

PAGAN 9JA:



yes the ONLY . anyone else claiming pure-Arab in Africa should go shoot himself.

(except maybe a few recent Omani/Yemeni migrants)

Yeah Northern Sudanese people are a funny bunch. Most I seen look no different from other Northeast Africans or even African from the Sahel region. Even Al Bashir has stereotypical 'African features'.

pleep: Is this a real battle... with casualties?

And the loosers. Are parts of their body eaten when they are alive (like an amputation) or from a dead body?

yes real battle. dont judge too harshly of it. There is a thrill in war and hunting that you will never understand unless you experience it. When you fight for your life, you will truly appreciate how beautiful life is and its importance. people these days take their lives for granted and waste it in front of the TV or in drinking or squabbling.

from dead bodies ofcourse.

Typical faces you see in North Sudan.

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I added some Darfurian in the mixed technically it is in West Sudan near chad, technically north but not Nile valley North.







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Sudanese expariates in Dubai.
http://www.tasneemalsultan.com/blog/dina-and-mo-wedding-at-the-armani-hotel-dubai/

@ababda

Thanks for contributing and awesome pics. I assume you're Sudanese.

KidStranglehold: @ababda

Thanks for contributing and awesome pics. I assume you're Sudanese.

Yes, i am but i have been raised abroad outside the country.

ababda:

Yes, i am but i have been raised abroad outside the country.

Oh okay.

KidStranglehold:

Yeah Northern Sudanese people are a funny bunch. Most I seen look no different from other Northeast Africans or even African from the Sahel region. Even Al Bashir has stereotypical 'African features'.

Al Bashir is mostly Nubian in origin. look at his features.

His tribe is Al-Bedairyya Al-Dahmashyya, and they claim to be a Bedouin Arab Tribe. In the actual lineages, there is not such tribe like this and real Arab Bedu tribes never have such long names. you have Bedu tribes like Yam, Dahm, Kelb, Mazrouei, Manasir, Kindah, Quraish, Rashidi, Awamir, etc.

you see, how these names are only a single word, like how tribes are supposed to be around the world?

This bashirs tribe looks made up and has such a long name. probably they though itll make them look grander.

or the other possibility is that it is an old Nubian tribe that got Arabized. Many Nubians who speak Nuba today, also sometimes call themselves Arab.

A pure Nubian (Saidi variety) man is Mohammad Hussein Tantawi, who was the de-facto President of Egypt and Field Marshal/Commander of the Egyptian Armed Forces (Africas largest Army), after Hosni Mubarak was ousted till Morsi was installed.

in response to ababdas post, pic 3 is Manasir Tribe (one of the riverrine Nile tribes. today they claim Arab but they are not).
pic 22 of the recling man is Beja Tribe.

PAGAN 9JA:


Al Bashir is mostly Nubian in origin. look at his features.

His tribe is Al-Bedairyya Al-Dahmashyya, and they claim to be a Bedouin Arab Tribe. In the actual lineages, there is not such tribe like this and real Arab Bedu tribes never have such long names. you have Bedu tribes like Yam, Dahm, Kelb, Mazrouei, Manasir, Kindah, Quraish, Rashidi, Awamir, etc.

you see, how these names are only a single word, like how tribes are supposed to be around the world?

This bashirs tribe looks made up and has such a long name. probably they though itll make them look grander.

or the other possibility is that it is an old Nubian tribe that got Arabized. Many Nubians who speak Nuba today, also sometimes call themselves Arab.

A pure Nubian (Saidi variety) man is Mohammad Hussein Tantawi, who was the de-facto President of Egypt and Field Marshal/Commander of the Egyptian Armed Forces (Africas largest Army), after Hosni Mubarak was ousted till Morsi was installed.

Awesome post man. In the media they said the war between the North and South was 'Arab' vs 'Black'. You know that's not the case. And I also heard Arabs married their way into Sudan after they couldn't beat the Sudanese in a war. Hmmm...This is interesting. Maybe the Northerners just identify as Arab since Arab culture is the dominate culture in the country.

KidStranglehold:

Awesome post man. In the media they said the war between the North and South was 'Arab' vs 'Black'. You know that's not the case. And I also heard Arabs married their way into Sudan after they couldn't beat the Sudanese in a war. Hmmm...This is interesting. Maybe the Northerners just identify as Arab since Arab culture is the dominate culture in the country.

yes thats right. whereas the SOutherners, being jet black, wearing animal skin and having animistic roots identify themselves as African. also the Nilote population spills across SS into Uganda, Kenya, etc.

Darfur is another case. They too call themselves African, but they are islamized. some old wounds never heal. Apparently the Fura people were forcibly converted to islam by the invading Egypto-Turko Army and many enslaved, barely 150-200 yrs back.

THe Nubian-Egyptian-mixed-Arab triangle of people identify themselves today as Arabs due to their culture, religion, clothing, and they mostly lost their original languages to Arabic.

The other separate group includes the Beja, Afar, etc.

PAGAN 9JA:


yes thats right. whereas the SOutherners, being jet black, wearing animal skin and having animistic roots identify themselves as African. also the Nilote population spills across SS into Uganda, Kenya, etc.

Darfur is another case. They too call themselves African, but they are islamized. some old wounds never heal. Apparently the Fura people were forcibly converted to islam by the invading Egypto-Turko Army and many enslaved, barely 150-200 yrs back.

THe Nubian-Egyptian-mixed-Arab triangle of people identify themselves today as Arabs due to their culture, religion, clothing, and they mostly lost their original languages to Arabic.

The other separate group includes the Beja, Afar, etc.

Lol...I always knew Northern Sudanese and other North Africans were just Aran wannabes. Heck most Northwest Africans don't even carry significant amount of Near Eastern clades!

But again its most likely because their culture is Arab. Those Swahili people of the coast even identify as Arab and they look like your stereotypical Africans, but it's because their culture is Arab dominate.

KidStranglehold:

Lol...I always knew Northern Sudanese and other North Africans were just Aran wannabes. Heck most Northwest Africans don't even carry significant amount of Near Eastern clades!

But again its most likely because their culture is Arab. Those Swahili people of the coast even identify as Arab and they look like your stereotypical Africans, but it's because their culture is Arab dominate.

no as to the Swahilli it is a different case. The Swahilli (not all. mostly the city dwellers), the light skinned ones are all mixed with Omani and Yemeni traders during the recent BuSaidi rule of the Zanzibar/Tanganyika Protectorates. Even in their marriages, they wear the Omani-style turban and carry very bad copies of the Khanjar BuSaidi daggers on their waste.
I have a Swahilli friend. he is dad is full-Bantu Swahilli. his mom is a light-skinned mix.

the coastal Swahilli hardly have any original culture. It is only the inland Swahilli and the pheasant class that retain parts of their original Bantu Culture.

btw about modern-day Egyptians, I only consider the Coptics to have the purest degree of Egyptian blood. ofcourse there are pure Egyptians among the lower-class Saidi/Phesant class. Even other Egyptians know this and so they are made fun of because of their strange accent/dialect, dances, etc.

However a large number of city- Egyptians are no doubt mixed with Arabs. Egypt was ruled for way too long by turks, Arabs, etc. the last pasha (King) of Egypt had mostly Turkic/Cypric roots.

PAGAN 9JA:


no as to the Swahilli it is a different case. The Swahilli (not all. mostly the city dwellers), the light skinned ones are all mixed with Omani and Yemeni traders during the recent BuSaidi rule of the Zanzibar/Tanganyika Protectorates. Even in their marriages, they wear the Omani-style turban and carry very bad copies of the Khanjar BuSaidi daggers on their waste.
I have a Swahilli friend. he is dad is full-Bantu Swahilli. his mom is a light-skinned mix.

the coastal Swahilli hardly have any original culture. It is only the inland Swahilli and the pheasant class that retain parts of their original Bantu Culture.

Interesting...

Also I had an Egyptian friend that said not all Egyptians consider themselves Arab. I know Arab is just a culture but he said Egyptians still have their traditions. I know there are still some non Arab Egyptians(original) in Egypt but i thought they would consider themselves Arab.

Also this man considers himself both Arab and black.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?nomobile=1&v=3XUPZokMb6A

Now I know you don't personally consider yourself black and I understand that, but this man states you can be both Black and Arab in Egypt, proving that Arab is just a culture. Please correct me if im wrong.

KidStranglehold:
Interesting...

Also I had an Egyptian friend that said not all Egyptians consider themselves Arab. I know Arab is just a culture but he said Egyptians still have their traditions. I know there are still some non Arab Egyptians(original) in Egypt but i thought they would consider themselves Arab.

Also this man considers himself both Arab and black.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?nomobile=1&v=3XUPZokMb6A

Now I know you don't personally consider yourself black and I understand that, but this man states you can be both Black and Arab in Egypt, proving that Arab is just a culture. Please correct me if im wrong.

btw I still have many YEMENI friends who have Kenyan passport and live in Mombasa. They know they are Yemeni, look Yemeni, marry within their tribe, but they speak Arabic and know Swahilli very well.

The man you posted about, I know that fellow. He is famous. He keeps saying that. He is a Nubian btw.

It is understandable. Nubians are called black Egyptians in Egypt, due to their darker skin tones and features.

PAGAN 9JA:


btw I still have many YEMENI friends who have Kenyan passport and live in Mombasa. They know they are Yemeni, look Yemeni, marry within their tribe, but they speak Arabic and know Swahilli very well.

Interesting.

PAGAN 9JA:

The man you posted about, I know that fellow. He is famous. He keeps saying that. He is a Nubian btw.

It is understandable. Nubians are called black Egyptians in Egypt, due to their darker skin tones and features.

I see. Nubians tend to live more in the Aswan region.

KidStranglehold:
Interesting.



I see. Nubians tend to live more in the Aswan region.

yes true. I think this guy Hefny doesnt know he is Nubian. He must be from an Arabic speaking neighbourhood or his family moved into Cairo after the Aswan dam was built and he was brought up in Arabic. many Nubians lost their culture because of the Aswan dam. not once did he mention Nubia. He thinks that he is an Egyptian and that all Egyptians are supposed to be black and that he is a less mixed Egyptian. his views are a bit distorted. also of note is that he always identified himself as Arab (not Nubian). only when he came to the US he realised he was black. what can be inferred is that he was city born and his parents didnt teach him his true culture, probably so he could integrate with his new life and society.

KidStranglehold:

Awesome post man. In the media they said the war between the North and South was 'Arab' vs 'Black'. You know that's not the case. And I also heard Arabs married their way into Sudan after they couldn't beat the Sudanese in a war. Hmmm...This is interesting. Maybe the Northerners just identify as Arab since Arab culture is the dominate culture in the country.

It really depends on the person, in other words, not every Norther consider themselves arab, at the same token being Arab has a different meaning in Sudan. For example a northern Sudanese arab will not consider himself or herself a Iraqi, or Levantine from Lebanon or Syria, due to the fact they know they are racially different from those groups. Therefore being Arab is the Sudan is somewhat different, sometimes it is blood lines, religion, or what is perceive as Arab culture, and in many cases it is not. In my case i don't consider myself Arab due to my parents religion, which is Copt.

KidStranglehold:
Interesting.



I see. Nubians tend to live more in the Aswan region.

Nubian actually live in many areas across Egypt, they are not confined in one area. You have many that migrated to places such as Alexander and Cairo, for economic reasons.

really funny that of all the pictures you posted the only good looking ones were sudanese and ethiopian and eritreans lmao


am judging just by what you posted, lol

ababda:

It really depends on the person, in other words, not every Norther consider themselves arab, at the same token being Arab has a different meaning in Sudan. For example a northern Sudanese arab will not consider himself or herself a Iraqi, or Levantine from Lebanon or Syria, due to the fact they know they are racially different from those groups. Therefore being Arab is the Sudan is somewhat different, sometimes it is blood lines, religion, or what is perceive as Arab culture, and in many cases it is not. In my case i don't consider myself Arab due to my parents religion, which is Copt.

you are copt! hmmm. .but you are not Nubian yes? you are similar to EGyptian Copt?

PAGAN 9JA:


you are copt! hmmm. .but you are not Nubian yes? you are similar to EGyptian Copt?

I guess we are similar in Sudan, however Copts have been living in Sudan for generations. You must remember Egypt and Northern Sudan was once one country until the 1950's therefore it makes since you have Copts in both regions. Also, take to considerations a very very few Northern Sudanese converted or some may say reconverted in the Orthodox Christian faith especially during the colonial period, because prior to Islam Christianity was once the dominant faith. Do i have Nubian ancestry? I don't know. I will say this, my family is definitely combination of Northern Sudan and Egypt or mixture of both. However my family is from Khartoum, but i have relatives in places such as Dongola.

Here are a link of Copts in Sudan.

http://www.minorityrights.org/4013/sudan/copts.html
http://blogs.aljazeera.com/blog/africa/sudans-copts-pray-smooth-election

ababda:

I guess we are similar in Sudan, however Copts have been living in Sudan for generations. You must remember Egypt and Northern Sudan was once one country until the 1950's therefore it makes since you have Copts in both regions. Also, take to considerations a very very few Northern Sudanese converted or some may say reconverted in the Orthodox Christian faith especially during the colonial period, because prior to Islam Christianity was once the dominant faith. Do i have Nubian ancestry? I don't know. I will say this, my family is definitely combination of Northern Sudan and Egypt or mixture of both. However my family is from Khartoum, but i have relatives in places such as Dongola.

Here are a link of Copts in Sudan.

http://www.minorityrights.org/4013/sudan/copts.html
http://blogs.aljazeera.com/blog/africa/sudans-copts-pray-smooth-election

oh wait yes! Now I remember. I actually personally knew a Sudanese Copt. (I have many EGyptian Coptic friends). wait you guyz dont look Nubian. because the person I knew looked Egyptian.

For anthropological purposes, are you dark-skinned? do you look Egyptian Coptic or Nubian ?

KidStranglehold:
Those Swahili people of the coast even identify as Arab and they look like your stereotypical Africans, but it's because their culture is Arab dominate.

The Swahili people do not necessarily identify themselves as Arabs, however those with Arab ancestry may make mention it. Actually it's more common for neighbouring communities to call them “Waarabu” based on their supposed solidarity with other Arabs (on the coast), shared culture and Islamic heritage.

What the urban Swahili originally identified themselves as was “Waungwana”, which could translate to “the civilized ones”. To be accepted as one amongst them you had to possess a stone house, covet materialism, knowledgeable in local culture, fluent in the Swahili language and other miscellaneous things. Being an Arab or have Arab ancestry is not on the list of requirements for upward social mobility.

Before the Busaidi rule in Zanzibar, the newly arrived immigrants from Arabia were not permitted to live within core town settlements, instead had to live on the outskirts until their social status changed. The only Arabs that were exempt from this were those of Sharif ancestry.

Yet still, In the Swahili lands you can say the Swahili became Arabized and the Arabs Swahilized. So identities may overlap sometimes.

Here are some “Arabs” in Oman that returned after the Zanzibar revolution. They are called “Swahilis” by their fellow Omanis

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PuzH45g6tM

PAGAN 9JA:


oh wait yes! Now I remember. I actually personally knew a Sudanese Copt. (I have many EGyptian Coptic friends). wait you guyz dont look Nubian. because the person I knew looked Egyptian.

For anthropological purposes, are you dark-skinned? do you look Egyptian Coptic or Nubian ?

Now that is a interesting question, how i look like? Well, contrary to popular belief, nubians don't really have a define look, and at the same token copts don't have a define look, because it ranges. Most Copts are definitely fair in complexion, but some are dark as well, and the same applies to Nubians (as far as variations). Also, not all Northern Sudanese are Nubian background.

to answer your question here is how i basically look.
http://www.agefotostock.com/en/Stock-Images/Rights-Managed/JAI-EG02578

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/hot-air-balloon-crash-egypt-kills-18-foreigners-article-1.1273537

http://luxor-news..com/2012/04/what-is-egypt-like-in-2012-after.html
http://3.bp..com/-bnvHGUcNS-4/T5vuM3fGUUI/AAAAAAAADhg/9hfI4TSAO9Q/s1600/005%2B%25282%2529.JPG
http://www.africaimagelibrary.com/media/0c92e838-2098-11e0-9b78-71cf60e31775-man-smoking-a-water-pipe-or-sheesha-at-the-market-luxor-egypt
Egypt


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOpdv9R5GCs
to this crowd of Northern Sudanese

Not much of a real difference. I would not look out of place in both the pictures nor the video, so my look and skin color resemble those people in both countries.

niggaz done turned into some kind of firebrand philosophers over night.... isn't this the same nigga that thought queen nzinga was kongolese.... something as basic as that... that's like chucks & khakis...timbs & fitteds...nba & white women Lol

yo i'm out...niggaz iz socrates and strabo up in here Lol

Nabhani:



Here are some “Arabs” in Oman that returned after the Zanzibar revolution. They are called “Swahilis” by their fellow Omanis

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PuzH45g6tM

yeah Ive seen them. they also do the Liwa dance. They are also called Zanj.

ababda:

Now that is a interesting question, how i look like? Well, contrary to popular belief, nubians don't really have a define look, and at the same token copts don't have a define look, because it ranges. Most Copts are definitely fair in complexion, but some are dark as well, and the same applies to Nubians (as far as variations). Also, not all Northern Sudanese are Nubian background.

to answer your question here is how i basically look.
http://www.agefotostock.com/en/Stock-Images/Rights-Managed/JAI-EG02578

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/hot-air-balloon-crash-egypt-kills-18-foreigners-article-1.1273537

http://luxor-news..com/2012/04/what-is-egypt-like-in-2012-after.html
http://3.bp..com/-bnvHGUcNS-4/T5vuM3fGUUI/AAAAAAAADhg/9hfI4TSAO9Q/s1600/005%2B%25282%2529.JPG
http://www.africaimagelibrary.com/media/0c92e838-2098-11e0-9b78-71cf60e31775-man-smoking-a-water-pipe-or-sheesha-at-the-market-luxor-egypt
Egypt


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOpdv9R5GCs
to this crowd of Northern Sudanese

Not much of a real difference. I would not look out of place in both the pictures nor the video, so my look and skin color resemble those people in both countries.

oh ok you look like one of those Nile Egyptians. not much difference true.

But Copts are generally lighter and have sharper features and nasal structure.

good.

PAGAN 9JA:



oh ok you look like one of those Nile Egyptians. not much difference true.

But Copts are generally lighter and have sharper features and nasal structure.

good.

As far as facial features goes, that definitely vary. i have seen many with sharp features, and many with not so sharp, and some with wide features. Most have straight to wavy hair, but you encounter some with coarse hair as well. Truth to be told, i have seen many Non Copt Egyptians regardless of skin hue, with coarse hair as well. Funny,I have seen many ethnic nubians similar to the video i posted, display varies facial features and hair textures as well.