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Re: Argument Against Supernatural God. by Mranony: 10:50pm On May 22, 2013 |
thehomer:Apparently I don't. I don't know what you mean by natural, how should I know what you mean by naturalism? lol, this guy you are funny, you have not yet explained what you mean by "natural" how do you expect me to know what you mean by "non-natural incidents". Surely you know I cannot read your mind. I don't have psychic powers. |
Re: Argument Against Supernatural God. by Kay17: 10:53pm On May 22, 2013 |
Tpfkakambo: If Everything has an origin, what will God's origin be? What will Reality's origin be? What will be Causality's origin? What will be Nothingness itself's origin?? Your arguments are too bad! |
Re: Argument Against Supernatural God. by Tpfkakambo(m): 11:04pm On May 22, 2013 |
Kay 17: ur questions ar answerable. But answer mine postively or Simply restate ur assumptions clearly. Ur assumptions shudnt b frced out of u .state and defend them. My aerguments are consistent.... Dnt bhve immature and wax emotional keep a level head. I said physclity has an orign else it wud have Always EXISTED makg it eternal. Now even science doesnt support tht assumption, it believes the earth and universe (perhaps) has an origin. If d physcl wrld is ETernal then it creates implications wch go against present observations. Reply. Dont deviate.. |
Re: Argument Against Supernatural God. by thehomer: 11:29pm On May 22, 2013 |
Mr anony: Have you already forgotten the concept you posted right here from Wikipedia? It's still up for you to read. Mr anony: Once again, just take a look at what you posted as the concept of naturalism. It refers to the natural. |
Re: Argument Against Supernatural God. by Mranony: 11:44pm On May 22, 2013 |
thehomer:Lol, of course, "naturalism is the belief that the natural is all there is" tells us everything we need to know about the natural. You are such a genius! |
Re: Argument Against Supernatural God. by thehomer: 11:57pm On May 22, 2013 |
Mr anony: And here, you've managed to quote-mine Wikipedia to make me appear ridiculous. You're one amazing fellow. In fact, this is what you posted about the link from Wikipedia. Wikipedia: As you can surely see, it isn't as ridiculous as you tried to make it seem. You'll notice that since natural is an adjective, you'll see that it was used to qualify universe and laws. You should have read through your post. This introduction is pretty clear. If you still don't understand what is meant here, then the problems you're having run much deeper than I can help you with. |
Re: Argument Against Supernatural God. by Mranony: 12:22am On May 23, 2013 |
thehomer:Lol, perhaps you are blind I can't believe how you failed to notice that wikipedia didn't give us any idea what the "natural" is at all, it just assumed that that the reader knew what "natural" meant. Or perhaps next time you ask me what christianity is, remind me to define it as: "That thing christians do as opposed to non-christians, it includes all aspects of the christian life, studying christian boooks and listening to christian music e.t.c. christians believe that being a christian is better than not being a christian." Now my dear genius, how's the above for a definition? You know, honestly there is no need for all this dancing. Apparently, I didn't understand wikipedia's definition of natural. Since you obviously did, could you please explain it to me? |
Re: Argument Against Supernatural God. by thehomer: 12:35am On May 23, 2013 |
Mr anony: As I pointed out to you, natural is the adjectival form of naturalism. If you know what naturalism is, then you should know what natural is. Mr anony: This is why I keep saying you don't understand what you're doing or what you're supposed to do. Naturalism is to Christianity as natural here is to christian. So, the question I would ask for is what christian is. And happily, Wikipedia delivers. Wikipedia: I'm sure you find this ridiculous too. |
Re: Argument Against Supernatural God. by Mranony: 1:00am On May 23, 2013 |
thehomer:lol, and what is naturalism? please try to answer without using the word "natural". Quote mininig wikipedia now are we? Let's read that statement in it's full context: A Christian is a person who adheres to Christianity, an Abrahamic, monotheistic religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth. "Christian" derives from the Koine Greek word Christ, a translation of the Biblical Hebrew term Messiah. Central to the Christian faith is the gospel, the teaching that humans have hope for salvation through the message and work of Jesus, and particularly, his atoning death on the cross 1Co 15:3 and resurrection 1Co 15:4. Christians also believe Jesus is the Messiah prophesied in the Hebrew Bible. Most Christians believe in the doctrine of the Trinity, a description of God as Father, Son and Holy Spirit. This includes the vast majority of churches in Christianity, although a minority are Non-trinitarians. The term "Christian" is also used adjectivally to describe anything associated with Christianity, or in a proverbial sense "all that is noble, and good, and Christ-like." It is also used as a label to identify people who associate with the cultural aspects of Christianity, irrespective of personal religious beliefs or practices Notice that by the time we come to the third paragraph (your quote-mined bit) The reader already has a working understanding of what Christianity is. Your "Naturalism is about the natural" is about as helpful as "democracy is about the democratic". If you don't know what you mean by natural, all you've been doing is making empty noise. Is it really so hard to explain what you mean by the word natural? |
Re: Argument Against Supernatural God. by thehomer: 6:49am On May 23, 2013 |
Mr anony: You should have read what you quoted from Wikipedia. Or checked out a dictionary. Mr anony: It looks like you don't know what quote-mining is either. Neither the first nor the second part are adjectival forms of the word christian. The third part clearly tells you this. Christian can be a noun or an adjective so, you compare adjectives to adjectives, nouns to nouns. I simply presented you with the relevant parts in order to show you that we compare within similar categories. Another error you're fond of making. Once again, this is what we see from Wikipedia. Wikipedia: You're seriously saying that from this you do not know what naturalism is? Then you're welcome to go through this article and understand what is meant by naturalism. This is another one of the reasons I point out that you're just bad at apologetics. Even with an encyclopedia entry, you're confused about what naturalism is. |
Re: Argument Against Supernatural God. by wiegraf: 11:12am On May 23, 2013 |
Anony... I mean wtf I'm not even reading, just skimming, but wtf I mean... Wtf Wtf wtf wtf Just ansah d furhgsdkfbd question... U set d furrhbgfjf standards Wttf wtf If I were muslim I'd have put a jihad on you by now Wtf wtff Jfffekf really? I mean what do you achieve with this nonsense? What??!!! |
Re: Argument Against Supernatural God. by Mranony: 3:59pm On May 23, 2013 |
thehomer:You still haven't provided me with what you mean by natural neither has wikipedia. You're seriously saying that from this you do not know what naturalism is? Then you're welcome to go through this article and understand what is meant by naturalism.Yawn. As I said earlier, I did not ask you what naturalism is, I asked you what you mean by "natural" because according to you: thehomer:You believe that "natural" can exist beyond space and time (the universe). In fact it is "a natural occurrence" to you that matter can appear out of non-matter. Your idea of what is natural seems to include spaceless timeless and immaterial entities. It is only fair to ask you to explain exactly what you mean by "natural". [size=16pt]For the last time: What exactly do you mean by "natural"?[/size] You can either answer my question directly or feel free to continue your dance. |
Re: Argument Against Supernatural God. by Mranony: 4:01pm On May 23, 2013 |
wiegraf: Anony... I mean wtfmeh 1 Like |
Re: Argument Against Supernatural God. by wiegraf: 4:14pm On May 23, 2013 |
Mr anony: meh How many of pages of chicanery? Simple, explain why in your opinion the acts in the op qualify as good to you. IF U HAVE NO INTENTION OF ANSWERING, YOU SHOULD SHARRAP. THIS NONSENSE YOU'RE PULLING IS THE HEIGHT OF FOLLY, IT MASKS NOTHING. SIMPLY MAKES YOU LOOK LIKE AN IRRATIONAL DISINGENEOUS SLAVE Then again, it isn't my thread. |
Re: Argument Against Supernatural God. by Mranony: 4:23pm On May 23, 2013 |
wiegraf:Are you sure you are on the right thread? 1 Like |
Re: Argument Against Supernatural God. by wiegraf: 4:28pm On May 23, 2013 |
Mr anony: Oh, yeah. My bad, should pay more attention. Imagine the above was posted in the 'is god good thread'. Will copypasta once I'm behind a proper PC IT ALL STILL STANDS |
Re: Argument Against Supernatural God. by Mranony: 4:50pm On May 23, 2013 |
wiegraf:Lol, no it doesn't. Let's test it by applying your comment to thehomer on this thread shall we? Thehomer, How many of pages of chicanery? Simple, explain what you mean by the word "natural" Would that be a fair comment to thehomer here or are you only spurred on by an anti-anony bias? 1 Like |
Re: Argument Against Supernatural God. by wiegraf: 5:30pm On May 23, 2013 |
Mr anony: Errm, yes. How does this apply to thehomer? K'll be back |
Re: Argument Against Supernatural God. by Mranony: 5:31pm On May 23, 2013 |
wiegraf:Read our exchange on this thread. |
Re: Argument Against Supernatural God. by thehomer: 11:11pm On May 24, 2013 |
Mr anony: Then your problem is with the English Language. Mr anony: Where did I say the statement in bold? My point there is pretty clear. I'm simply saying as Kay has pointed out, that if something cannot come from nothing, then nothing never existed. Mr anony: Wikipedia has answered your question but you've refused to answer mine. Just pick up a dictionary and look up the definitions within. |
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