Mr anony:
Why a praying mantis, why not a chicken, a gorrilla, a dog, a shark or an ant. What exactly is this "significant" difference that prescribes what moral actions a man ought to take?

Deep Sight:

What is the meaning of this? ? ? ? ? ? Abeg I don tire reading arrant NANSENSE this morning.

Go the the ward for pathological comedians and tell the Director there that I highly recommend you. He will gladly receive you.

Morning!

Mr anony:
Why a praying mantis, why not a chicken, a gorrilla, a dog, a shark or an ant. What exactly is this "significant" difference that prescribes what moral actions a man ought to take?

thehomer:

Whether or not it is appropriate for humans to treat each other in that way.

Deep Sight:

Not to mention the fact that there are animals of extra-ordinary intelligence, self consciousness and sense of society such as Dolphins, Dogs, Lions and many others.

Mr anony:
What exactly defines what is appropriate or inappropriate?

thehomer:

Whether or not it is appropriate for humans to treat each other in that way.

thehomer:

Why not praying mantis? Its the example I want to use. My question is whether or not there is a significant difference between humans and the preying mantis.

thehomer:

As I said before, judgement, science, empathy, biology and other such features.

thehomer:

Yes. That is why they've come up with the Pythagoras' theorem and used similar concepts to modify their environment and themselves.

Mr anony:
Yeah but lions have empathy for other lions

Deep Sight:
I wonder if thehomer is acquainted with the order and sense of society within a pack of wolves.

Deep Sight:

For once in your life dear sir, please put on your thinking hat and ask your self these questions. I do not trust your capacity to dwell on them so I make a special request. My special request is that you do not respond immediately. Sleep over it, dwell hard on it, and give me a response tomorrow. I mean no offence by saying this. I genuinely mean to ask you to just dwell on it for some time, as I believe that if you respond immediately, your fixed views will automatically kick in.

Here is what I want you to reflect on.

1. Are humans predatory territorial animals?

2. Do predatory territorial animals fight and kill one another for resources, territory and se.xual mates?

3. Is this in fact observable among humans?

Thank you.

Please, no knee jerk reaction. Think on it till tomorrow.

Mr anony:
"significant" is a very vague and relative word and the praying mantis is an example you've invented to help you escape. You've said here that human moral precepts are not derived from animals. If all the examples I suggested count as animals, then they are all equally valid.

thehomer:

I hope you take that time to reflect on the simple questions I've asked you because your tantrums don't help you. Answering them would have helped move you away from the sorts of simplistic ideas you're presenting.

Mr anony:
Yeah but lions have empathy for other lions they will help a wounded lion in a fight yet a male lion will kill another male lion to take over his pride. Is that action immoral?

Mr anony:
Dogs also have empathy, they have been known to rescue other dogs and even human children in danger yet male dogs force themselves upon female dogs. Is the action of a dog raping another dog immoral?

Deep Sight:

EMPATHY! THE BIG WORD! THE VERY BASIS OF MORALITY!

LIONS DISPLAY MASSIVE EMPATHY AND YET THEHOMER WOULD NOT HOLD THEM IMMORAL OR AMMORAL FOR THEIT ACTS OF MURDER AND PLUNDER!

Deep Sight:

Dont even be having a laugh. The Pythagoras theory has nothing to do with morality. On the other hand, a sense of society, has everything to do with morality and these animals have very advanced senses of society.

thehomer:

Lions aren't the sorts of creatures that make moral judgements.

Dogs aren't the sorts of creatures that make moral judgements.

Deep Sight:
I wonder if thehomer is acquainted with the order and sense of society within a pack of wolves.

thehomer:

Many words are relative. It doesn't suddenly stop them from being useful. I didn't invent the praying mantis, it is a real animal that illustrates my point.

If you think they're equally valid, then you're welcome to show that they are.

thehomer:

Lions aren't the sorts of creatures that make moral judgements.

Deep Sight:

EMPATHY! THE BIG WORD! THE VERY BASIS OF MORALITY!

LIONS DISPLAY MASSIVE EMPATHY AND YET THEHOMER WOULD NOT HOLD THEM IMMORAL OR AMMORAL FOR THEIT ACTS OF MURDER AND PLUNDER!

thehomer:

Yes. Just the other day, a wolf was talking about changing from the social group of a pack to one based on capitalism.

thehomer:

Sure massive empathy is all that is needed. That is why they would kill off other cubs and take over kills they didn't make. They've even started running a system of determining who would lead the pack by voting.

Mr anony:
Why not?

thehomer:

Sure massive empathy is all that is needed. That is why they would kill off other cubs and take over kills they didn't make. They've even started running a system of determining who would lead the pack by voting.

Mr anony:
Thehomer's arguments sound to me like specieism.

Mr anony:
again he switches

.........The man of this school goes first to a political meeting, where he argues that morality is based on empathy and judgment then he takes his hat and umbrella and goes on to a scientific meeting, where he proves that animals with empathy and judgment are not the sort of animals that make moral decisions.......

Deep Sight:

I will. So do we have a deal?

I answered your question. But present the question you have in mind again, and so long as you promise to dwell on what I have presented and give me an answer tomorrow, I will equally dwell on what you present and give you an answer tomorrow. Make your questions as concise and to the core of your point as possible.

Deal?

thehomer:
Do you think that the fact that humans are "smarter" and can exercise judgement is something significantly different?

Mr anony:
a praying mantis is as much an animal as all of my examples. If you think it isn't, you are welcome to show that it isn't.